I have been using the Audyssey pro kit for the past 10 years or so and have not looked back. I like the mic that comes with the kit. You also get a good quality boom stand with the kit. It’s expensive though. On the pro kit after you load the measurements you get a choice of 3 roll offs which are all tied in to the size of your room. I use dynamic volume on low. I use Dynamic eq and keep midrange compensation on.
Kpacguy, love your channel! You can get rid if the 2k frequency dip by switching off Midrange Compensation for individual channels (front, center etc). That way you will have the FLAT cureve you may be trying to get. Keep up the good work!
Some things I'd change: - Disable all the PEQs you set in your SVS app unless you are using them eq room modes that you figured out with a calibration mic in REW or an RTA phone app. You want your sub to be playing as flat as possible during room correction. Then after you've redone room correction you can re-enable any PEQs you set that are part of a personal preference. - Set all your speakers to Small and all your speakers to 80 hz or higher as just because your large towers can play below 80 doesn't mean that they do it better than your sub. This will also free up your amplifiers some potentially making your towers play better. Also unless your towers are a couple feet from the wall or you have room treatments for boundary interference they will be playing louder than they actually are. - Dynamic EQ is mainly to help with your ability to hear bass at lower volumes as the human hearing of bass is less sensitive when compared to higher frequencies so the farther you are from 0db main volume the less bass you'll hear even if it's at the same db in volume as other content. Personal preference but probably don't want it on when listening to music. Dynamic Volume is something you don't ever want unless you're listening at low volume at night as it's going to boost quiet sounds like dialog and lower loud sounds like explosions in volume. - You don't need to run through the room correction (the chirps) to get multiple profiles, just click edit in main screen and then the left icon next to delete is copy. - Also according to Audioholics they did some research and found that room correction software isn't capable of correcting speakers past 500-700hz due to it not being able to know what is caused by the speaker and what is caused by the room so it's basically guessing. So in the filter frequency range screen set all your speakers to somewhere in the 500-700 range and see what sounds best. Look for their 2 video from a week ago that are around 37 minutes long.
What I don't understand is once you let the app do its thing, how do you import the results/settings to your receiver so it has the new settings implemented? Did I miss something from the video showing you how? I have a marantz Sr8015 and I'm new to all this stuff.
This app made a positive difference for me. I think it's worth it, even if it's just to se your results, and being able to change settings on the phone is very nice. It helped med to find the best settings for my svs sb2000 and troubleshoot. Its helpful to know where to set the cut of points for your speakers where they start to struggle.
After graph is wishful thinking. It's not what will happen in reality, because it's just an estimation and not a really accurate one. The app doesn't do a post calibration reading to show the results of Audyssey, which would be a great feature, but they probably have their reasons not to implement this. 😏
Hi, could you do a third Audyssey app video where you share you're experiences with the settings you changed through the app and if you hear differences after that .. Thanks 😉✌️
Thats the way Bose gets that people. Bump Bass and buy for lot money. The EQ bumps the surround channel in lower Volumens sometimes 6 to 8 DB higher!! Thats sounds crazy and not natural.
Hi, great video as usual, I purchased this app for my iPad, my question is, even though I calibrate pd everything before this app, now I have to do it all over again? Is this correct? Thank you
The app should sync with your receiver if both are connected to the same wifi. Should be the same in app as it is on receiver but I haven't tested my theory
Kpaceguy it’s telling me to connect my cord and redue everything, please let me know what you come up with when you have time. I mean do I have to start from scratch?
This is probably old news by now, but 95% of the time, the crossover should be set at 80 Hz. No reason to tax your mains and center channel with sub 80 Hz frequencies if the sub can easily handle it; especially if you're running multiple subs.
The subwoofer was invented especially to create these very low frequencies (like 80hz and lower). Logically it is the better choice in almost every case. It makes little sense to ask a main speaker to produce sub-bass frequencies when you have a sub.
@@boydrijkvan6500 Would be true indeed with small speakers. Most of the reasonable reaches 60Hz with no harm. Even not floor standers. Below that you will need serious towers or/and decent sub. 60-80Hz is not something i would consider as "very low". Sounds like author of the video knows the limitation of his setup, which seems to be something much better then one box cinema package ;) Based on that all he says makes sense. Cutting at 80 when you can easily go lower with your mains makes even less sense. BTW: Thx for the vid. Will try this app up ;)
@@krmfpc Thanks for your response. Please let me elaborate a little more, because I feel I did not explain clearly. My point was that you should not use your mains for sub-bass when you have proper subwoofer in your system. You can, but you shouldn't. Why use a sub instead of mains: -Running sub-bass frequencies through your mains when you have a capable subwoofer in you room will rob your system of power and headroom. The receiver will use most of it's power on the low frequencies, when this power could instead be used for the bass, mids & highs in your system. You can off course measure this yourself with a simple db meter. Just check how loud you can go with different sub crossovers before distorting. - Using a sub (or ideallly multi-sub setup) allows much more flexible placement options and bass management. This will get you a flatter bass response and better seat-to-seat consistency. You cannot easily move your mains speakers to a different location in the room just to get better bass. A subwoofer can do this! This principle applies to low-end or high-end systems alike. In almost every single case you can think of the subwoofer can produce more and better bass than a full-range speaker can. Why not use it I say!
As we lower the volume our ear's ability to "hear" LFE is diminished, yet we are still able to hear the higher frequencies quite well. I thought that Dynamic EQ tries to "keep it the same" at all volume levels so that the LFE is still audible for us at the lower volumes? It seems to me that Dynamic EQ is something you'd want enabled if you sometimes listen at different volumes.
From Audyssey website q&A's: "Also, keep in mind that Audyssey sets the subwoofer level to reference. That means that it is the same as the other speakers as is required for film content. However, personal preference may be different and there is no problem with making a manual change to the level of the sub. Sometimes this preference is actually due to human perception. At lower listening volumes (master volume below 0) our perception of bass drops faster. For this reason we developed Audyssey Dynamic EQ. It restores the bass balance that is normally heard at reference listening volumes. I highly recommend using Dynamic EQ together with MultEQ."
I enjoy your videos but towards the end of this one you stated that you could change speakers without rerunning Audyssey if you had saved an alternate profile. While it is true that you COULD that statement is misleading and inaccurate since Audessey would be based on the in room response of the previous speakers setup which could be drastically different than the new setup. If you had a calibration file for both the old and new speakers as well as a true room acoustic signature map you could make it work but not many people have the resources to accomplish that. Just to have a single speaker with perfect frequency response and alignment in an open space is difficult let alone an environment with speakers at varied distances, with multiple reflective/absorbent surfaces, boundaries and obstacles.
Great walkthrough Kpaceguy! This video couldn't have come at a better time. I bought the app too and it has done WONDERS for my sound over the in-receiver calibration. I'm not exactly sure why but the sound from my brand new Reference Premiere 8000F towers and matching RP-504C center channel sounds magical!!! I have it paired with an SVS SB-2000 sub. It's only at 12 o clock gain and it is MORE than enough for me. So I have a question for you... I demoed and am planning to buy the Klipsch 500 SA height elevation speakers. The problem is that they don't produce the amount of bass & full sound that I want as compared to the SVS prime elevations when I A/B tested them. I get it, two different speaker designs produce different sound signatures... BUT, the Klipsch actually has 5 1/4" woofers...actually larger than the SVS elevations... And so I want more presence in my rear surrounds when I get the Klipsch. That's how I like my sound. I would like to adjust individual Bass and Treble for my rear speakers. Kinda like a parametric eq. What frequencies should I boost to get more bass and mid-range out of the Klipsch Elevations using the app? I'm not sure what the frequency numbers should be. Advice appreciated!
SVS sounds deeper because the cabinet is bigger. You can add more bass but turning up the lower frequencies like 35-80 but be careful not to turn it up too high. The lower the bass the more power goes to the speaker and in return the speaker can't play as loudly
@@Kpaceguy Thanks man. The thing is that the dimensions of the Klipsch elevations are larger in size than the SVS prime elevations. But it's good to know that I can increase the bass at those frequencies. By the way thanks for the pro tip on the dangers of raising it too high.
mystickid1 the klipsch speaker will sound more lively in the top end, and audio will be perceived to be less bass heavy, because of the horn tweeter in comparison to the svs dome tweeter. But you should still be able to boost the 50-70hz response with the app on the klipsch and it do just fine. Obviously the more power you send to klipsch will help too. 👍🏻
Yes it's all about the room. You can't raise your nulls because you'll damage your speakers but you can bring everything else down. It'll never be perfect
I have the same problem, and as I understand, it's because cheaper receivers with Audyssey, don't have as advanced an EQ, as the more expensive models. Mine is a Denon AVR-2400H. A 2 year old model.
@@JagadeeshPolepalli I've now figured this out. Some Denon and Marantz receivers used MultiEQ XT and some XT32. The difference is the filter points. XT uses 16 for satellites (every speaker, but the sub), and XT32 uses 512. I don't know if this is a true comparison, but it's basically like you have a 512 channel graphic equalizer on XT32 receivers, and only a 16 channel on a XT receiver. You need to spend at least $1000 on a newer receiver, to get XT32 support. Some say it's like day and night between the two. You can also fix some of the sound issues with sound diffusers and absorbers. These can be DIY for cheap money, and can have a huge impact on your sound and EQ measurements. Placed correctly they can raise dips, and lower peaks of your speaker measurements. Btw. look up "MultiEQ Comparison Chart" on Google image search.
I tried using the app with the 502Hz curtain for all my 7.2.4 speaker layout on my Denon AVC-A110, but I didn't hear any difference. I'm not sure if it's because of my ears, my experience, or something else. But if there's not much difference, why do people pay for a useless app? Sorry for the rude question, but it took me a couple of hours to recalibrate my speakers for room correction, figure out how to use the app, and try all its features. I switched back and forth between the default settings and adjustments, and since it cost me $29.99 AUD but did nothing, it really pissed me off. To be honest, I'd like my money back.
My green and red curves Look almost exactly the same, so the red ones aren't linear whatsoever Am I doing something wrong, is my room shit, are my speakers bad.....?? Someone knows what's happening ??
Unfortunately I have the problem of the app crashing, half way through the setup and it freezes, reboot and it does the same thing, any ideas how to keep this from happening
I think they have been publishing, amongst the many home theater reviewers, that it's best to use the audyssey app with a curtain applied, and have it do nothing to your speakers above 500hz. Which can only be done with the audyssey app. Heard anything about it?
Generally you should almost never go under 80hz. Some very big fronts with 8" or bigger woofers might handle 60hz but if you got subwoofer you should let it handle those frequencies.
how the heck are those chirps throwing out each 0-10hz frequencies? and how the heck are each of those frequencies being read so clearly? it's only spending a 10th of a second in that range maybe, so how is it catching a determined frequency wave at each hertz point? I always thought I understood this but I'm tripping up on it now 1:15
Nice video but do i get any benefits of the app (beside some adjustments with roll of,graphs etc), besides the internal calibration program?I do have a SR7012.Is this app more acurate than the internal Audyssey?Greetings from Germany!
@@Kpaceguy That's not correct. I just saw a video on Sound United (owners of Marantz & Denon) with an interview of one of the key developers from Audyssey. A tablet or smartphone has far more CPU power, so they can allow for much more precision calculations via the app. So the overall result is more accurate.
Very nice video. Can you please advise me what settings should I choose to listen background sounds clearly (wind, water, birds i.e high frequency sounds) in movies. Sometimes background music suppress the background natural sounds. I have tried to raise the graph to increase high frequencies but have not noticed any difference. Your reply is highly appreciable. I have Marantz SR7013 receiver and mainly used for movies.
That can be dependent on the quality of the movie source. Netflix, Amazon prime video, Hulu and etc or regular DVD and 1080p bluray won't have the highest quality audio all the time. 4k bluray will. Its dependent on the content source
hi im currently running a 5.1.4 set up with a dennon avr 4500 amp and I've ran the audssey app but am so confused about all the settings and how to adjust them ? its a minefield of info and I wondered if I send my calibration details to someone the would be kind enough to have a look and help me please
Good video. I have Marantz SR8012. Using MultiEQ app, have two svs sb3000 and I got that ONE Dull/Dip after calibration. What is the best way to improve that null and make it as flat as possible - I really don't have luxury to move the Subs - position wise.
@@Kpaceguy Not correct. You can only slightly correct for dips. Dips are caused by ether the speaker's inability to play that frequently and/or its your room that makes the problem. In any way, you can't compensate for that. You only put more power into these frequencies, to a point where you might damage your speakers. The only solution is to lower the entire curve.
I need a suggestion from u......i have marantz sr7009.....bascially I changed 3 reciever in my room....they all sound crunchy and harsh or trebly.....wht could be the fix????.....actually I have my setup in a room where whole of the room walls are made up of reflective tiles......i tried putting few mattress on floor putting few sound absorption panels on few points but still harshy sound....any suggestions wht to do and how can I fix that....i calibrated with audessey itself....plz give me a fix ?
@@Kpaceguy I’ve noticed that Pioneer Elites do so as well. I’ve calibrated both my Pioneer Elite & Marantz in the same room and the Pioneer sounded better. The trim level of the sub in my Pioneer was set to -7 and the Marantz set the sub to -4. The Marantz set the sub level 3db louder than the Pioneer, but still can’t compete with It. Would I gain sub performance on my Marantz by setting a sub target curve?
I mean you can always EQ it to sound like whatever you want. It may just be the RCA output voltage from marantz isn't as high some of the other competitors so you have to turn it up higher. With that being said, I think the sound quality of marantz is what I like best underneath the expensive stuff like Anthem and NAD
The curve on the right is not a result os a real mesurment, it's a target curve. There is no way thie linear result can exists in a real room. It might exists when placing a perfectly linear speaker in an anechoic chamber
It can help you identify them. You don't want to boost frequencies to fix nulls up want to reduce everything around it down to meet the nulls. Boosting will cause your speakers or even your receiver some issues
I basically had a corner sofa flush to the side wall. I've now got a 3 seater and a 2 seater (2 seater against the wall) and the bass has totally disappeared from the sub. It's weird.
@@Adam9306 sub placement and seating arrangement comes FIRST. Once you've accomplished those two things then you can further treat the sound. Sound treatment like bass traps will help but nulls can be so significant that you'll need much more than a few traps around the room
Roll off means how quickly do you want your crossover to cut off the frequencies that come before and after it So if I have a crossover at 80hz on my speakers, it'll still play under 80hz but it'll start to be at a lower and lower volume as you get under 80hz and the roll off let's you pick how quickly the volume decreases
once I make a change ie such as change fronts from large to small and also crossover settings, how does the updated settings get applied to the avr from multeq?
@@Kpaceguy Normally after Audyssey it asks if you want to engage DEQ and DV but no mention of mid range option. Are you are saying most likely after Audyssey calibrates it leaves mid range ON?
As others have said it's just wishful thinking. I play with REW and Equalizer APO all the time with a PC just to Play around. I can get curves to match pretty good in a single spot in the room, after that good luck. Same with Audyssey, even if it works it'll be in if your lucky one tiny spot in the room.
Whats up yo i haven't been watching your channel long but i am enjoying the content. If you get a chance check out my channel. I also have 2 skar EVL 12s. I dont have alot of videos at the moment but im working on putting out more content. Keep it up
If you think that the frequency response on the right is your actual post calibration response, then you have no clue how Audessey works... The red curve is just an estimation. Use REW and check the actual after response, and you'll be amazed to find out that it is even worst than the before response. If you want a near flat response you need a better room correction system like Dirac live and dual subwoofers... Auddesy sucks!
best is use both Audyssey and Dirac ; because Dirac can't send new correction curve to Denon ; so you have to use Audyssey Curve editor and do the changes to get a Flat response on Dirac
I have been using the Audyssey pro kit for the past 10 years or so and have not looked back. I like the mic that comes with the kit. You also get a good quality boom stand with the kit. It’s expensive though. On the pro kit after you load the measurements you get a choice of 3 roll offs which are all tied in to the size of your room. I use dynamic volume on low. I use Dynamic eq and keep midrange compensation on.
Kpacguy, love your channel! You can get rid if the 2k frequency dip by switching off Midrange Compensation for individual channels (front, center etc). That way you will have the FLAT cureve you may be trying to get. Keep up the good work!
That's pretty cool. Thanks man
@@Kpaceguy Hahah! No problem! I'm sure you knew that already anyway, man.
@@UpgradingAsUsual I did not know that, I was trying to use the curve editor to get rid of the bump Duh! :-D
@@martindye Your most welcome. Information found via Audioholics. Never underestimate Gene!
@@Jay37_bake Its all preference. Try it with some music. If it gets to your ears and irritates you, then the 2k dip suits your ears.
Some things I'd change:
- Disable all the PEQs you set in your SVS app unless you are using them eq room modes that you figured out with a calibration mic in REW or an RTA phone app. You want your sub to be playing as flat as possible during room correction. Then after you've redone room correction you can re-enable any PEQs you set that are part of a personal preference.
- Set all your speakers to Small and all your speakers to 80 hz or higher as just because your large towers can play below 80 doesn't mean that they do it better than your sub. This will also free up your amplifiers some potentially making your towers play better. Also unless your towers are a couple feet from the wall or you have room treatments for boundary interference they will be playing louder than they actually are.
- Dynamic EQ is mainly to help with your ability to hear bass at lower volumes as the human hearing of bass is less sensitive when compared to higher frequencies so the farther you are from 0db main volume the less bass you'll hear even if it's at the same db in volume as other content. Personal preference but probably don't want it on when listening to music. Dynamic Volume is something you don't ever want unless you're listening at low volume at night as it's going to boost quiet sounds like dialog and lower loud sounds like explosions in volume.
- You don't need to run through the room correction (the chirps) to get multiple profiles, just click edit in main screen and then the left icon next to delete is copy.
- Also according to Audioholics they did some research and found that room correction software isn't capable of correcting speakers past 500-700hz due to it not being able to know what is caused by the speaker and what is caused by the room so it's basically guessing. So in the filter frequency range screen set all your speakers to somewhere in the 500-700 range and see what sounds best. Look for their 2 video from a week ago that are around 37 minutes long.
What I don't understand is once you let the app do its thing, how do you import the results/settings to your receiver so it has the new settings implemented? Did I miss something from the video showing you how? I have a marantz Sr8015 and I'm new to all this stuff.
It's all automatic. Updates in real time
This app made a positive difference for me. I think it's worth it, even if it's just to se your results, and being able to change settings on the phone is very nice. It helped med to find the best settings for my svs sb2000 and troubleshoot. Its helpful to know where to set the cut of points for your speakers where they start to struggle.
Better with app calibration and midrange compensation. I changed to small and low end to 80 hz on all the speakers
Thanks for the review. It helped me decide to get the app.
After graph is wishful thinking. It's not what will happen in reality, because it's just an estimation and not a really accurate one.
The app doesn't do a post calibration reading to show the results of Audyssey, which would be a great feature, but they probably have their reasons not to implement this. 😏
Hi, could you do a third Audyssey app video where you share you're experiences with the settings you changed through the app and if you hear differences after that ..
Thanks 😉✌️
Yes I could do that
@@Kpaceguy That would be really nice!
Thank you 😉
dynamic EQ is a must
No.
Thats the way Bose gets that people. Bump Bass and buy for lot money. The EQ bumps the surround channel in lower Volumens sometimes 6 to 8 DB higher!! Thats sounds crazy and not natural.
It’s shit
I hate dynamic eq, too much sound from the surround speakers
Hi, great video as usual, I purchased this app for my iPad, my question is, even though I calibrate pd everything before this app, now I have to do it all over again? Is this correct? Thank you
The app should sync with your receiver if both are connected to the same wifi. Should be the same in app as it is on receiver but I haven't tested my theory
Kpaceguy it’s telling me to connect my cord and redue everything, please let me know what you come up with when you have time. I mean do I have to start from scratch?
@@lusly258 if it's your first time using the app, yes
Hi I ve just got the app and was wondering if you have done a video on setting up Audyssey XT2 with 2 subwoofers previously
I don't think so
This is probably old news by now, but 95% of the time, the crossover should be set at 80 Hz. No reason to tax your mains and center channel with sub 80 Hz frequencies if the sub can easily handle it; especially if you're running multiple subs.
That is not true whatsoever.
The subwoofer was invented especially to create these very low frequencies (like 80hz and lower). Logically it is the better choice in almost every case. It makes little sense to ask a main speaker to produce sub-bass frequencies when you have a sub.
@@boydrijkvan6500 Would be true indeed with small speakers. Most of the reasonable reaches 60Hz with no harm. Even not floor standers. Below that you will need serious towers or/and decent sub. 60-80Hz is not something i would consider as "very low". Sounds like author of the video knows the limitation of his setup, which seems to be something much better then one box cinema package ;) Based on that all he says makes sense. Cutting at 80 when you can easily go lower with your mains makes even less sense.
BTW: Thx for the vid. Will try this app up ;)
Thanks for watching !
@@krmfpc
Thanks for your response. Please let me elaborate a little more, because I feel I did not explain clearly. My point was that you should not use your mains for sub-bass when you have proper subwoofer in your system. You can, but you shouldn't.
Why use a sub instead of mains:
-Running sub-bass frequencies through your mains when you have a capable subwoofer in you room will rob your system of power and headroom. The receiver will use most of it's power on the low frequencies, when this power could instead be used for the bass, mids & highs in your system. You can off course measure this yourself with a simple db meter. Just check how loud you can go with different sub crossovers before distorting.
- Using a sub (or ideallly multi-sub setup) allows much more flexible placement options and bass management. This will get you a flatter bass response and better seat-to-seat consistency. You cannot easily move your mains speakers to a different location in the room just to get better bass. A subwoofer can do this!
This principle applies to low-end or high-end systems alike. In almost every single case you can think of the subwoofer can produce more and better bass than a full-range speaker can. Why not use it I say!
As we lower the volume our ear's ability to "hear" LFE is diminished, yet we are still able to hear the higher frequencies quite well. I thought that Dynamic EQ tries to "keep it the same" at all volume levels so that the LFE is still audible for us at the lower volumes? It seems to me that Dynamic EQ is something you'd want enabled if you sometimes listen at different volumes.
@@tb2324 You said exactly what I said, just with more words.
You're right. I think he has his descriptions of Dynamic EQ and Volume mixed up, based on information and recommendations from the Audyssey website.
From Audyssey website q&A's: "Also, keep in mind that Audyssey sets the subwoofer level to reference. That means that it is the same as the other speakers as is required for film content. However, personal preference may be different and there is no problem with making a manual change to the level of the sub. Sometimes this preference is actually due to human perception. At lower listening volumes (master volume below 0) our perception of bass drops faster. For this reason we developed Audyssey Dynamic EQ. It restores the bass balance that is normally heard at reference listening volumes. I highly recommend using Dynamic EQ together with MultEQ."
I enjoy your videos but towards the end of this one you stated that you could change speakers without rerunning Audyssey if you had saved an alternate profile. While it is true that you COULD that statement is misleading and inaccurate since Audessey would be based on the in room response of the previous speakers setup which could be drastically different than the new setup. If you had a calibration file for both the old and new speakers as well as a true room acoustic signature map you could make it work but not many people have the resources to accomplish that. Just to have a single speaker with perfect frequency response and alignment in an open space is difficult let alone an environment with speakers at varied distances, with multiple reflective/absorbent surfaces, boundaries and obstacles.
Great walkthrough Kpaceguy! This video couldn't have come at a better time.
I bought the app too and it has done WONDERS for my sound over the in-receiver calibration. I'm not exactly sure why but the sound from my brand new Reference Premiere 8000F towers and matching RP-504C center channel sounds magical!!! I have it paired with an SVS SB-2000 sub. It's only at 12 o clock gain and it is MORE than enough for me.
So I have a question for you...
I demoed and am planning to buy the Klipsch 500 SA height elevation speakers. The problem is that they don't produce the amount of bass & full sound that I want as compared to the SVS prime elevations when I A/B tested them. I get it, two different speaker designs produce different sound signatures...
BUT, the Klipsch actually has 5 1/4" woofers...actually larger than the SVS elevations...
And so I want more presence in my rear surrounds when I get the Klipsch. That's how I like my sound.
I would like to adjust individual Bass and Treble for my rear speakers. Kinda like a parametric eq.
What frequencies should I boost to get more bass and mid-range out of the Klipsch Elevations using the app? I'm not sure what the frequency numbers should be. Advice appreciated!
SVS sounds deeper because the cabinet is bigger. You can add more bass but turning up the lower frequencies like 35-80 but be careful not to turn it up too high. The lower the bass the more power goes to the speaker and in return the speaker can't play as loudly
@@Kpaceguy Thanks man. The thing is that the dimensions of the Klipsch elevations are larger in size than the SVS prime elevations.
But it's good to know that I can increase the bass at those frequencies. By the way thanks for the pro tip on the dangers of raising it too high.
mystickid1 the klipsch speaker will sound more lively in the top end, and audio will be perceived to be less bass heavy, because of the horn tweeter in comparison to the svs dome tweeter. But you should still be able to boost the 50-70hz response with the app on the klipsch and it do just fine. Obviously the more power you send to klipsch will help too. 👍🏻
@@Test-Pilot1194 Thanks Duane. What you're saying makes perfect sense. Thanks for the tip brother!!
mystickid1 no worries my man!👍🏻
I did not get this much flat curve. Any precautions to be taken? Or is it the room that is not allowing to get this much flat curve as your?
Yes it's all about the room. You can't raise your nulls because you'll damage your speakers but you can bring everything else down. It'll never be perfect
@@Kpaceguy thank you
I have the same problem, and as I understand, it's because cheaper receivers with Audyssey, don't have as advanced an EQ, as the more expensive models.
Mine is a Denon AVR-2400H. A 2 year old model.
@@JagadeeshPolepalli I've now figured this out.
Some Denon and Marantz receivers used MultiEQ XT and some XT32. The difference is the filter points. XT uses 16 for satellites (every speaker, but the sub), and XT32 uses 512.
I don't know if this is a true comparison, but it's basically like you have a 512 channel graphic equalizer on XT32 receivers, and only a 16 channel on a XT receiver.
You need to spend at least $1000 on a newer receiver, to get XT32 support. Some say it's like day and night between the two.
You can also fix some of the sound issues with sound diffusers and absorbers. These can be DIY for cheap money, and can have a huge impact on your sound and EQ measurements.
Placed correctly they can raise dips, and lower peaks of your speaker measurements.
Btw. look up "MultiEQ Comparison Chart" on Google image search.
why my room results not that smooth😅
Need acoustic treatment
@@Kpaceguy alright, maybe it’s too noisy out side during the calibration
I tried using the app with the 502Hz curtain for all my 7.2.4 speaker layout on my Denon AVC-A110, but I didn't hear any difference. I'm not sure if it's because of my ears, my experience, or something else. But if there's not much difference, why do people pay for a useless app?
Sorry for the rude question, but it took me a couple of hours to recalibrate my speakers for room correction, figure out how to use the app, and try all its features. I switched back and forth between the default settings and adjustments, and since it cost me $29.99 AUD but did nothing, it really pissed me off. To be honest, I'd like my money back.
My green and red curves Look almost exactly the same, so the red ones aren't linear whatsoever
Am I doing something wrong, is my room shit, are my speakers bad.....??
Someone knows what's happening ??
Unfortunately I have the problem of the app crashing, half way through the setup and it freezes, reboot and it does the same thing, any ideas how to keep this from happening
I had the same problem, the solution is to restart your phone.
Or try a different phone. The list of officially supported phones, is short.
Just got my first denon receiver, anyone got any tips for set up ? It's a s650h model.
I think they have been publishing, amongst the many home theater reviewers, that it's best to use the audyssey app with a curtain applied, and have it do nothing to your speakers above 500hz. Which can only be done with the audyssey app. Heard anything about it?
Yes I have. I haven't tried it myself but I've done my research on it
My svs bookshelfs begin the rolloff at 80hz but audyssey put then on 60hz, ia this correcto?
Audyssey isn't perfect. Set it to what you know is right
Generally you should almost never go under 80hz. Some very big fronts with 8" or bigger woofers might handle 60hz but if you got subwoofer you should let it handle those frequencies.
how the heck are those chirps throwing out each 0-10hz frequencies? and how the heck are each of those frequencies being read so clearly?
it's only spending a 10th of a second in that range maybe, so how is it catching a determined frequency wave at each hertz point? I always thought I understood this but I'm tripping up on it now 1:15
It sounds like a churp to you, but it is a full frequency pink noise
Hey K. Question. What’s the L/R bypass do in the MultEQ XT settings? Thanks man!
Turns off/disable Calibration for those two speakers
Nice video but do i get any benefits of the app (beside some adjustments with roll of,graphs etc), besides the internal calibration program?I do have a SR7012.Is this app more acurate than the internal Audyssey?Greetings from Germany!
The app is the same audyssey that's in your system. This let's you tune it exactly how you need it
Kpaceguy ah okay.Damn i thought its a bit more precise or let you put in your room measurements like Audyssey Pro...which is a lot more expensive.
@@TheMisfit1979 I mean you can. But it's not pin point accurate. It's approximate
@@TheMisfit1979 It is more precise..
@@Kpaceguy That's not correct. I just saw a video on Sound United (owners of Marantz & Denon) with an interview of one of the key developers from Audyssey.
A tablet or smartphone has far more CPU power, so they can allow for much more precision calculations via the app.
So the overall result is more accurate.
Very nice video. Can you please advise me what settings should I choose to listen background sounds clearly (wind, water, birds i.e high frequency sounds) in movies. Sometimes background music suppress the background natural sounds. I have tried to raise the graph to increase high frequencies but have not noticed any difference.
Your reply is highly appreciable.
I have Marantz SR7013 receiver and mainly used for movies.
That can be dependent on the quality of the movie source. Netflix, Amazon prime video, Hulu and etc or regular DVD and 1080p bluray won't have the highest quality audio all the time. 4k bluray will. Its dependent on the content source
@@Kpaceguy Thanks for responding.
I am using new blu rays to check sound. Any advise what should be the levels of frequencies in curve editor?
@@karan3606 it's all dependent on your room and your ears. I'd invest in REW calibration software
hi im currently running a 5.1.4 set up with a dennon avr 4500 amp and I've ran the audssey app but am so confused about all the settings and how to adjust them ? its a minefield of info and I wondered if I send my calibration details to someone the would be kind enough to have a look and help me please
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Nice video bro
I appreciate it
Can you make these curve tweaks with the basic version of Audyssey? Or do you need the multieq or x32 version
I believe all versions but maybe not as many frequencies
Good video. I have Marantz SR8012. Using MultiEQ app, have two svs sb3000 and I got that ONE Dull/Dip after calibration. What is the best way to improve that null and make it as flat as possible - I really don't have luxury to move the Subs - position wise.
You can go in and manually adjust each speakers response curve and you can also do that with your subwoofer app
Kpaceguy so its as simple as just moving that null up??
@@savanpanchal451 basically. Bring up the volume for that specific dip
@@Kpaceguy Not correct. You can only slightly correct for dips. Dips are caused by ether the speaker's inability to play that frequently and/or its your room that makes the problem.
In any way, you can't compensate for that. You only put more power into these frequencies, to a point where you might damage your speakers.
The only solution is to lower the entire curve.
How do i tune my receiver to get more sound out of the surround speakers?
You can turn them up in the audio menu under level
does it work with WiFi only or I can connect my receiver to lan cable and phone to WiFi of same network ?
You can use lan
@@Kpaceguy OK thx
I need a suggestion from u......i have marantz sr7009.....bascially I changed 3 reciever in my room....they all sound crunchy and harsh or trebly.....wht could be the fix????.....actually I have my setup in a room where whole of the room walls are made up of reflective tiles......i tried putting few mattress on floor putting few sound absorption panels on few points but still harshy sound....any suggestions wht to do and how can I fix that....i calibrated with audessey itself....plz give me a fix ?
@@lovishthecoverking it's going to take a lot more than a few panels to fix a full tile room
@@Kpaceguy just tell me.....are really those tiles making my sound harsh crunchy or muddy through audessey ?
I don’t know if it’s just me, but do you feel like yamaha AVr produces better bass than Marantz and Denon?
Yes
@@Kpaceguy I’ve noticed that Pioneer Elites do so as well. I’ve calibrated both my Pioneer Elite & Marantz in the same room and the Pioneer sounded better. The trim level of the sub in my Pioneer was set to -7 and the Marantz set the sub to -4. The Marantz set the sub level 3db louder than the Pioneer, but still can’t compete with It. Would I gain sub performance on my Marantz by setting a sub target curve?
I mean you can always EQ it to sound like whatever you want. It may just be the RCA output voltage from marantz isn't as high some of the other competitors so you have to turn it up higher. With that being said, I think the sound quality of marantz is what I like best underneath the expensive stuff like Anthem and NAD
@@Kpaceguy is Denon’s output voltage the same as Marantz? What level do you have your PB-4000 on your Marantz? Dynamic eq on or off?
What multi eq Do u run xt or xt32?
32
The curve on the right is not a result os a real mesurment, it's a target curve. There is no way thie linear result can exists in a real room. It might exists when placing a perfectly linear speaker in an anechoic chamber
Hey. Can this app get rid of frequency nulls?
It can help you identify them. You don't want to boost frequencies to fix nulls up want to reduce everything around it down to meet the nulls. Boosting will cause your speakers or even your receiver some issues
@@Kpaceguy I see! Would you say that difussers and absorption panels can help remove nulls? Or is it sub placement and listener position, ONLY?
I basically had a corner sofa flush to the side wall. I've now got a 3 seater and a 2 seater (2 seater against the wall) and the bass has totally disappeared from the sub. It's weird.
@@Adam9306 sub placement and seating arrangement comes FIRST. Once you've accomplished those two things then you can further treat the sound. Sound treatment like bass traps will help but nulls can be so significant that you'll need much more than a few traps around the room
Can reflections cause poor subwoofer response?
Does the s650h support this app ?
I believe
@@Kpaceguy I'm having trouble my phone wifi wont find avr it's a 2019 model i tried wifi and wired to avr no luck
What does a roll off mean?
Roll off means how quickly do you want your crossover to cut off the frequencies that come before and after it
So if I have a crossover at 80hz on my speakers, it'll still play under 80hz but it'll start to be at a lower and lower volume as you get under 80hz and the roll off let's you pick how quickly the volume decreases
@@Kpaceguy An example would be if I set the mains to 80hz anything below 80hz the sub takes care of it and 80hz and above the mains do the work?
@@arielrodriguez6980 you got it
Why have i only just seen tbis?
Because you aren't subscribed with notifications on 🤔
@@Kpaceguy ha ha ha man I been watching you since 2017! And yep I'm a subscriber.
@MrElchav I appreciate it brother!
@@Kpaceguy Haha how do you know I'm a man? Did you just assume my gender?
@MrElchav lol I read the "Mr." In your name lol
once I make a change ie such as change fronts from large to small and also crossover settings, how does the updated settings get applied to the avr from multeq?
Communicates through wifi
You need to move your subs around to get rid of those dips
Yes I did a little bit and helped a lot
Looks to be a good video, just can't stand music playing in the background while I watch. So I didn't.
...as I can't concentrate.
Do you think DEQ drowns the dialog at times?
I don't use much of the enhancers on receivers
@@Kpaceguy Since I do not have the app does Audyssey normally leave the midrange set to ON after calibration?
@@arielrodriguez6980 it asks you after calibration what you want on and off but usually that stuff is on
@@Kpaceguy Normally after Audyssey it asks if you want to engage DEQ and DV but no mention of mid range option. Are you are saying most likely after Audyssey calibrates it leaves mid range ON?
@@arielrodriguez6980 yes
As others have said it's just wishful thinking. I play with REW and Equalizer APO all the time with a PC just to Play around. I can get curves to match pretty good in a single spot in the room, after that good luck. Same with Audyssey, even if it works it'll be in if your lucky one tiny spot in the room.
you really need to use REW
I want it
But great review nonetheless...:-)
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If you think that the frequency response on the right is your actual post calibration response, then you have no clue how Audessey works...
The red curve is just an estimation. Use REW and check the actual after response, and you'll be amazed to find out that it is even worst than the before response.
If you want a near flat response you need a better room correction system like Dirac live and dual subwoofers... Auddesy sucks!
Then you must be doing something wrong.
Audyssey is awesome and sounds fantastic once the curves have been tweaked
@John Smith For noobs maybe
@John Smith What a load of bull. And you can't even spell Audyssey right
best is use both Audyssey and Dirac ; because Dirac can't send new correction curve to Denon ; so you have to use Audyssey Curve editor and do the changes to get a Flat response on Dirac
Slow down bro
Nix wow das ist ne Zielkurve, wer keine Ahnung hat sollte keine Videos drehen....