The Backhand Roll with Ben Johns
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In today's video we've partnered with Ben Johns to show you how he executes one of his favorite shots...the backhand roll.
Ben wrote an article on this very topic that was featured in Pickleball Magazine and we thought we'd help bring that article to life with a complimentary video. You'll find a link to the article in the description. Now, let's get into the setup, execution motion analysis and slow motion footage of Ben's awesome Bachand roll.
As Ben outlines in the article...
He uses this shot from the kitchen line when all four players are at the net. It's a surprise shot because the setup of this shot looks very much the same as the setup for his volley dink from the backhand side.
Here are two shots of Ben.
On one he is about to hit a backhand roll and on the other he is about to hit a backhand dink volley. Consider both images for a moment. Can you tell which is which?
On the left, he is about to hit a backhand volley dink and on the right, he is about to hit a backhand roll. Notice how there are very few differences between these two positions. Certainly not much for an opponent to get a good read on in the middle of a point.
What makes it even more deadly is that with a sufficient amount of skill, the backhand roll can be executed on a ball that is contacted below the height of the net. This opens up the possibility of attacking more shots rather than being limited to only those that are above the net.
Although it can be executed from either side, Ben primarily likes to use it from the left side when his backhand is his outside shot.
He'll typically aim for the opponent down the line from him because that opponent is closest to him and has the least amount of time to react to the ball
He'll typically aim for the right hip of an opponent that is right handed because that is the most difficult spot to effectively defend. If the opponent is a lefty, he'll aim for the left hip.
Ben will use a backhand slice cross court to set up this shot because that is the shot most likely to lead to a dink reply that might lift a little bit higher. Another good setup option is hitting volley dinks. The time taken away from opponents to react can lead to an attackable shot. Also, as we saw, his volley dink preparation looks very similar to his backhand roll preparation so the roll can come by surprise when the opponent is expecting a backhand volley dink so their is good disguise.
Now that we know when to use it and how to set it up. Let's look at the execution.
Once he's set it up and received the ball he wants, he'll execute it by getting low (bending from the knees, not the waist), getting the paddle down below his anticipated contact and swing in an upward path at approximately a 40 degree angle. The paddle face will be roughly straight up and down at a 90 degree angle or with a slight downward tilt. The combination of the upward motion and an even or slightly closed paddle face is what produce the topspin.
The motion alone is not enough, you will need to generate paddle speed in order to really get power on the shot and make it an effective attacking shot.
As Ben outlines in the article, you'll need to do this by starting your swing with the portion of your arm from elbow to wrist tucked in so that it forms a roughly 90 degree angle with the portion of your arm from elbow to shoulder.
As you're swinging you should extend your arm until it reaches full extension right as you make contact with the ball this motion creates that recognizable snap or flick that makes ball shoot off the paddle.
Many think that the motion involves a lot of wrist and it may appear that way when observing the shot in real time but the wrist is actually stable throughout the motion as can be seen here and it's the combination of arm extension and forearm rotation that supplies the power.
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Ben is the best player on the planet right now. In August 2018 I was @ camp in Philadelphia and during observed play, he watched me execute a backhand roll from below the net. I was not aware he was watching me...after I drilled the winner, he yelled out “that was a perfect backhand roll”, and came on the court and gave me a high five. Best moment of my pickleball life bar none!👍
Awesome!!
Very cool
This is one of the two shots that I keep getting nailed on that I have not yet been able to incorporate into my game. Thanks so much for the help. Now for the implementation...
Great! Get out there and drill! 🏓
The multiple repetitions, slo-mo and multi angle view are very helpful in understanding this.
So glad you found that helpful Andre.
This video was extremely well done. Great breakdown of the swing!
Glad you enjoyed it!!👍🏻 🏓
No doubt, you guys are impressive. Your introduction is humble and easy to understand. Your explanations are clear and concise, without any mumbling. I love this channel.
Love your channel, I have learned a lot from you
Thanks Ben!
Another great video!
Nicole and Jordan very well done, great jobs on both breaking it down & videography.
Thanks!!! 🏓
Thanks, the slo-mo shots are a big help.
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Very good video and commentary! Will have to try it!
Great! Glad you enjoyed it!👍🏻
Great break-down and video editing.
Whats the defense of this shot? Recognizing it early?
Yes, and knowing the tendencies of your opponent. If I’m playing someone like Ben, I have to be really cautious when their is any ball lifted by my partner, when I am down the line from Ben. One thing I can do is play a couple of feet back off the line to give myself a tad bit more reaction time.
Great video.Love the Slomo
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Video was great. Have you heard of the program dartfish? I think it could help with your videos where you breakdown skills.
No I haven’t. Thanks!
great detailed instruction..thats what pballers need and want..thks
Glad it was helpful! We'll keep at it. :)
Thanks.
Good stuff - thanks. He is hitting this shot off of a volley, not a dink that has bounced. Is the shot as effective when hitting on the rise after a bounce and is the execution about the same? Thanks much!
Off the rise is probably a lot harder to time, and lower percentage. When you let the ball bounce, you introduce lots of spin and other factors. Good thoughts!
I hate being on the other side of this shot. Now I'm going to use it on everyone.
I LOVE this channel, it's made me a player with a reputation for being one of 'those' guys on the court; solid, great technique, and getting better RAPIDLY.
Wow! Thanks for the comment!! Keep practicing! 🏓🏓👍🏻
Great video!
Keep practicing! 👍🏻
Great video thx
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I see a low to high path with radial-ulnar deviation in the wrist. I do not see the forearm rotation.
Wow... love your videos. great production. You break it down very well. Congrats!!! big fan from Cabo Baja Mex
Thanks for watching! Glad you like the and thanks for dropping the comment.
You guys did excellent in making this video.
Thanks Richard !
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This is truly next level Shit. Thank you so much. I can't wait to try this.
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also i love the no nonsense diagram, terse explanations and breakdowns. Some Yt'ers would turn this into a 12 minute video with lots of fluff. I prefer the uncut stuff. The "meat" and this is really a perfect video. 11/10 :spinaltap:
@@brian3000 Mine goes to 11.
I'm somewhat of a mathematician. It started in grade school for me. I was different then and I'm still different now. Whatever manual the rest of the population got how angles are measured by default is not part of my genetic configuration. 40 degrees from where to where, precisely? So many possible coordinate frames, my head spins. Which of these is the solitary, unambiguous one that everyone else notices? Unfortunately, I'm innately wired to perceive _all_ of the possible coordinate frames, so I'm completely bamboozled. Other than that small detail, this is really quite a fantastic introduction.
Glad you enjoyed the video. Just pretend like I didn't say that and focus on the rest of it. Lol! There is no definitive answer any angle. It's shot by shot.
One thing that'll impede your progress w/this shot is a torn rotator cuff/cup. It's when you abduct away into that wonderful roll the pain really peaks into something awful, ouch!
Yes, this is probably not a good shot to try if you are hurt anyway. Get better first, and then go out and play!
Ya, thanks guys! 😎 👌
Is he using the continental grip? looks slightly eastern
He (Ben) says it's continental. Can be hit with Eastern too.
If Ben would lean in ,plus get a little closer to the line this shot would be much more effective, still enjoyed the video though
This is only shot we filmed of him... I'm sure he hits this closer to the line and leaning more in when he usually does it ... 😊
Nick Boyle you are giving Ben advice how to do this better? Are you kidding me? He’s only the best player on the planet!
Great videos but y’all should have CTA’s encouraging viewers to SUBSCRIBE to your channel. Y’all need to have more than 15k subscribers to access some of YT’s creator resources.
Thanks !
By the way, you and Ben are misinformed. The roll does not put topspin on it. If the roll actually contacted the ball the ball would go where it was last contacted. This being into the net. The science behind the topspin is from hitting the ball from low to high on contact. Especially in the case of pickleball where the ball does not grip or stick to the paddel at all. You can even see clearly in the video that he did not roll the paddel until after the ball left the paddel. His imagination might think that rolling it did something to the ball. But he was only chasing it. That ball was already gone. A lot of tennis players do this too and it is a misnomer that the ball added topspin with the roll. Most of Federer's top spin shots, for example, are also rolled out on extension. The reason why he does this is because of a technique called pronation. Pronation is what is used on all professional serves in tennis. And using pronation on the other strokes is basically just a carry over. It's done to allow for a stronger wrist snap. Add power/speed, not spin, because the roll happens after contact as a product of extra wrist snap. He did not spin the ball from the roll/pronation. I know this well. It's not arguable.
The shot was named “the backhand roll”. Of course the ball doesn’t stay on the paddle for a long period of time. As in the video, it explains this shot is hit in a low to high motion with a forward extension and pronation of the forearm. So, I don’t get the comment. Lol
I am curious from Nicole and Jordan, does the wrist roll matter? In tennis, all pros nowadays say it's part of Kinetic chain .... slow motion shots of players like Lendl (whose down the line passing shot was only low to high motion) don't generate nearly as much spin as modern era players like Federer or Wawrinka (tip moves more of an arc helping get more spin). Wondering if you can sort this out?