Matt Halpern Reacts to ME Playing Periphery's HARDEST Song
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- čas přidán 27. 07. 2024
- Download your free transcription (and get a free drum course) - bit.ly/halpern-reacts
Chapters
0:00 - intro
2:10 - how to get a free transcription
2:30 - the challenge
4:09 - little background
5:07 - the song
8:20 - learning it by the deadline/first take impressions
10:19 - matt's first impressions and advice
12:15 - my takeaways
13:46 - how to play it (nerd alert)
20:58 - final performance - Hudba
Matt really is just an incredibly cool, down to earth person. He really deserves all of his success. Great job all around 80/20, I really enjoyed this. I like the way you're pushing your own boundaries while also giving other drummers something to do and think about.
You put a lot of time into that cover and did an excellent job. It's inspiring to see you playing something outside of your comfort zone and do it well. In the end, nobody will play that track the way Matt plays anyways.
And I think that was never the point. The journey is the point.
Dracul Gras is a masterpiece of a song.
Periphery is a machine of a band.
Seeing Halpern changed my flow in drumming after learning about his F8, figure 8 kind of splash wave sticking.
His approach to the kit is a philosophy on its own.
Thanks for sharing Your take on this song cause, Dracul Gras is an absolute trip of a song.
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That definitely changed my playing around, too.
It totally is. Totally in their top 10
Matt actually inspired me to play drums again. I stopped playing for over 8 years. I've been trying to learn periphery but it took a LONG time before I was ready to even attempt their songs after restarting (3 yrs ago). I got 22 faces, flatline and atropos down so far. Still suck at drums though lol
@@MassholeDrums Did you get the drum notation books or learn by ear ?
@joecooper8527 I've always learned totally by ear and these were no exception but especially 22 faces and flatline. Atropos I had to write down the double kick pattern, first time I've ever had to do that in my whole life actually lol
Also, I started using an app to slow and loop parts which helped a lot. Oh and I found drums only versions of the songs which is really crucial to getting every nuance correct.
@@MassholeDrums Nice
Hats off to you Nate, I did NOT expect you to pull (Fat) Drac out of their entire discography. Absolutely insane song with some of the WILDEST drumparts. This took guts!
It’s kind of the most challenging song you don’t need double pedals to play right? Like there’s no way I’m doing wildfire 🤣
@@8020drummer I imagine Blood Eagle would be even tougher than Wildfire on that front.
His point on not playing the rhythm was evident from the start. Bonham did this alot. Bonham played guitar parts on drums and that's what Matt's doing. Learn the guitar parts, accent on the spaces in between noting. There's where the drummer sits in this song.
This is also what Brann Dailor does as well
I’ve heard Neil Peart say the same thing
Have to say, when P1 and P2 were around, Matt Hellporn was the drummer’s drummer to geek out to, at least in my circle. Since Matt there’s been Matt Garstka and Clay from Polyphia and tons of others but Matt existed pre-super Instachop and kind of in the rise of CZcams etc
Also need to add he’s always been improving and rising to the music
@@TylerHNothingyes but also, p1 and p2 are his hardest albums to play for sure
@@MassholeDrumsI have to agree with you. I'm a drummer turned guitarist (played drums in church since 10 years old and went on to play national jazz band competitions in HS), and Periphery's first two albums were a game changer for my guitar playing as Matt's polyrhythmic focused parts on them forced me to approach writing on the guitar from a more rhythm based approach. My bands overall songwriting elevated immensely after that. Thanks Matt and Misha!
@@maynarddrivesfast804 yea their first album got me to start playing drums again. I stopped for almost 10 yrs. Couldn't play atll when I started again. It was real bad. But I heard the solo in RACECAR and the whole first album and was like, I need to play this.
Matt's style reminded me a little bit of mine but his is way more tasteful and djenty. Seemed like not a lot of metal drummers do ghost notes but I always believed in it and was doing it when I played in metal bands.
I've still got a long way to go before I can learn racecar though
I think you did a good take Nate, and I’ve noticed over time your stick height and attack of drums and cymbals improved in terms of making this kind of music sound good. I was really enjoying the final take and my head was bobbing!
Been watching you for years. Love this genre and never would've imagined you doing something like this! Kudos!!
So much time and effort taken. Thank you for sharing your approach and journey.
Periphery is definitely my favorite band and stuff like this makes me appreciate them that much more. They’re heavily invested in sharing the music and enabling listeners to partake in the magic.
I try to count and quantize the beat when listening to this song and other odd-time gems from their library, but I usually give up and do exactly what Matt recommended. It’s phenomenal advice; sometimes total memorization is the only real way to achieve mastery of a complex track.
All in all I think you did a great job here, and I fully welcome more prog-djent analyses from Periphery and Tesseract (their new record is just splendid). Cheers Nate, merry Christmas and a happy New Year!
Your videos got me through Covid and inspired my language learning in a big way. I passed my Goethe Institute B1 in German, have taught myself to type on a French keyboard and am reading difficult novels in French. The key point of this video to me was, deliberately put yourself into difficult and embarrassing positions so that you feel obligated to deliver. There are plenty of people willing to help, but you have to hold up your end of the bargain in order for them to respect you.
Way to go, Nate! Matt's songs are always a fractal, the more you look into it, the deeper it goes.
Man, you must have learned a lot and I take my hat off to your openness in sharing the learning process and also the imperfections. A great approach to learning new things - it's always true that "the more you know, the more you know what you don't know".
This was sick AF!! Great story build! Love this song!
This was dope man. Song is really f'n hard and you had it down pretty nicely at the end. The amount of practice it takes to be on Matt's level is.. phew.
Man I freaking love your process and breakdown of everything you do on this channel! I really hope we get to meet at a Meinl even some day soon!
Awesome job, entertaining video! I've watched more of your content than I've seen/heard of periphery's. Very cool. I like heavy music and some prog stuff but I haven't gotten bitten by this band yet. Keep doin what you do! Cheers!
Yes! This is so great! Nice work!
Hey Nate merry Christmas duder absolutely sick drumming mate that's a tricky song to drum along with from what I heard you covered a lot of ground and interpreted the changes well- in my humble opinion. Brave effort beast of a song
Hey man. Great job. Love to see you take on this challenge.
Very impressed!
Really like watching your videos.
Thanks for sharing as always!
I really appreciate this video, great take
This is really cool! Do more of this stuff! It's fun watching you branch out beyond your immediate comfort zone! Only suggestion I could give you is that you need to play with more energy with this kind of music. I feel like when matt is playing, he's less focusing on being perfectly tight and each beat being perfect, and more like he's dancing behind the kit and it does give him a very unique sound that I haven't heard any drummer successfully replicate. I can just tell when matt is playing even without other instruments. Props to you for being brave enough to not only do a cover of a really difficult song, but also having him and us critique it. I couldn't play this nearly as clean so I have absolutely nothing to complain about. you smashed this!
sick content man love the videos and effrot!
super cool, got into fusion and jazz through prog rock/metal so it's cool to see you trying out that stuff :)
Quite the undertaking, Nate! You did great!
Hats off, I tried learning this on guitar and felt like I needed at least 4 additional brains to get the rhythm and all these slightly alternating patterns, I guess this feels the same for the drumming parts. Getting down this much in such little time is mind blowing!
Fantastic work! I'm excited to see what happens next as now I think you have a taste of the heavy and you may pursue that a little further! :-)
Between the two of yous - you’ve sussed out a notion that has stuck with me all day long - and, yes, likely more days to follow…taking a groove I am learning and learning to make the groove, as I play it, danceable! beyond practiced. Kool and the Gang 😊
Wow great great video, educative, and extremely fun, awesome to have Comments from Matt, one of the best, and the song...wow.
Kudos man, just pure respect for this, and well played. Must have been amazing to get tips directly from Matt himself. Are there any other parts of their discography you're interested in? Can we expect more Periphery content in the future 👀
Well done 👍 👏 Now we need a video of you learning Periphery’s “Insomnia”. Good luck 😂
I get to listen to drummers from the rafters at my local venue... Matt Halpern has the loudest, cleanest, and punchiest RAW DRUM sound I've ever heard in person
The drum solos near the end big band part of the song are so good. It would have been cool to see you learn those as well
Hey thanks for making this video-great insight into the intricacies of this song (and Matt's playing + the band compositional style). I think you played it well
I admire that you show the whole humbling process of learning/playing a song of such complexity -and 3 weeks is not bad for a prog song- I will give you a grade of 80/20 .... and that's also a prog rock time signature ; ) Enjoyed.
Twas cool until you explained your joke. Never do that ❤
Matt is such a breath of fresh air in the metal drumming community. Super down to earth and doesn’t gatekeep any of his methods or philosophy regarding his writing approach.
That final performance, you can see the head bobbing Matt talks about a lot, great job dude
Always good to get out of ones comfort zone every once in a while. Even better to show people a good example on YT! :)
Superb, really brave to take this on.
Enjoyed the deep dive even though I’m not personally into this style (I do enjoy the less scream-y styles of prog, tho). I appreciate the craft of the complexity, and I appreciate how you dug into how to think about it in chunks.
Impressive ! Great job!
I got to hang/work with him when he was with the underwater. Amazing drummer and great dude!
Great cover!
Imo the toughest part isn't even the little solo at the end, it's what you call the "big band" section. At least for me. All those fast flams with the floor Tom's plus the constant but even ghost notes that make it so tricky for me at least
There's a part in icarus lives that this reminds me of actually
This was awesome! I definitely echo Matt’s advice about internalizing songs…I write a lot of stuff in weird compound times but once I have the guitar riff or whatever is driving the song internalized, it’s fairly easy to play and also improvise (I know: sacrilege when talking about prog!)
That's why I often don't even know when a song is in an odd time signature. I never even think about it.
Plus, it's very easy to think something is in an odd time when it's actually 4/4 (periphery does this CONSTANTLY)
@@MassholeDrums yeah honestly I just felt Dracul as heavily syncopated 4/4. It resolves pretty quickly so you don’t get that disorienting over the barline feel like in Meshuggah songs.
Ohhhh look at them ears starting to turn! Them man ears are really starting to show. It hurts but it also tells everyone else you’ll hurt them lol. Let’s go! Great video from you as always that I see.
We spend most of our time avoiding being challenged …..so much easier doing our riffs ! Good job! It came together in the end ! The one thing to remember ….and this works both ways…you got to play with some power and aggressiveness with this stuff…adopt the stance so to speak!! Rockers playing jazz it’s the same thing!
It's one of the best ways to get better. Get out of your comfort zone. Attack your weaknesses.
It really can make you feel bad about yourself too though lol
I mean when i started seeing you get comfortable kinda nodding to the beat, you got that groove going and sounded great. Matt looks like a human octopus when he plays and he just an alien or super human with his playing and is extremely different to emulate lol Maryland pride right there 😁 natty bo, blue crabs, old bay, and mfin periphery!!
Well executed Sir 🤟🏻
You've got bawls!😊
I think it was awesome, and i love that you broke it down!
Next up, Blood Eagle
I laughed at the Craig Reynolds quote (I love Craig)--it does seem like there are so many Matt's that are incredible drummers (excluding myself here because I'm not a great durmmer or anything). This was a super interesting and enjoyable video! And Matt offering his time was super cool!
I'm always here to prove that wrong 😂😂😂😂 not all Matt's are good at drums
@@MassholeDrums yeah and me, buddy haha
You my hero dawg
“Was all this still in 4… did it matter?”
You know who is a super under rated drummer? Matt from Four Stroke Baron. Would be awesome to see him on the pod cast and for you to breakdown one of their songs.
Tbh this made me feel a bit better about myself. I volunteered to do a full band cover of Atropos a few months ago. I didnt know the song at the time but it seemed like one of their easier songs so i thought i could learn it within a couple weeks of practicing 1-2 hrs a day
It took me over 2 months before i was ready to record the cover and i felt like it meant im a terrible drummer
So seeing even a pro take a good amount of time to learn periphery makes me feel less shitty
Even though dracul gras is miles more difficult than atropos but i also havent been playing drums for very long
Btw the full band cover is almost done if anyones curious
same. Hearing Matt say he routinely takes months to learn Periphery songs made me feel better. Keep in mind as well that learning prog stuff quickly is itself a skill, like law or medicine, that takes years to develop. When I was hanging with JP (name drop), he was explaining that he had spent a decade learning the prog/djent language and also the skill of learning stuff quickly, so he became the "go to" to sub for these bands that are really hard to sub for. If you or I were willing to devote a decade to it, we could probably learn to learn prog songs ultra quick too, but....🤷♂
@8020drummer oh wow. I didn't actually hear that part! That absolutely makes me feel even better about it lol Matt makes it look so easy I never would've guessed that
I actually grew up playing Tool and mudvayne so I thought I'd be a little bit prepared but stuff like periphery, meshuggah, and tesseract are a different level of prog.
Awesome video man thanks
man I respect the hell out of Matt's approach. write the drums organically, not technically, and you end up with an organic, not technical, song.
Matt's cheat sheet is on his IEM.
I've taught a few Periphery songs to students, and The Walk and Light seem like the hardest to me.
That's actually what I said too. A lot of the first 2 albums
He actually took me seriously and listened to the walk and kinda agreed but he also has to play the algorithm game a bit you know?
Oh! This is what you posted on Instagram. You're absolutely insane lol
Great
Always interesting to see a jazz drummer try out metal (and viceversa), you did great!, althought i gotta say, you should try playing it hitting harder, just for fun, maybe you fall more into the groove of it, because even tho you were playing the parts correctly, the feeling wasn't there, just my opinion as a mostly metal drummer
Play Silent Flight Parliament by BTBAM! Great vid, keep it up bud! Subbed!
Grande
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2 billion dollars to the first person who tells me what the hell that tiny ride is that matts using next to his rack tom on the right
11:45 matt finally cave in and admits he's bald
I remember reading an interview with Danny Carey and he said, and this isn't verbatim..."I play the song. Don't just play the drums."
its interesting, watching u first try it, you looked confident. The actual playthru tho, u looked like a deer in headlights lol
im kind of confused, where’s the reaction?
All of Matt’s statements to me in the interview excerpts were reacting to me performance he’d just heard
A very good job, considerin😮g the level of difficulties of the song, in that short amount of time.
I would never, ever be able to learn that song, even if I spent the rest of my life trying.
5000000 times better than me.
As I was scrolling I thought that was joe rogan in the thumbnail lol. Had to go back and look
Don’t like the song that much, but I can see the challenge. Another great education/self-learning video
Don't be afraid to hit those drums you look so miserable, I beat mine like they stole something and I couldn't be happier lol
Link me
I'd echo this as feedback too (minus being as skilled as y'all). As an enthusiast observer, you seem visually stiff in contrast to how Matt plays, where his playing is very committed and he moves his body into the hits too. You're understandably picking up the song and are trying to learn it, so I wouldn't deduct points, haha.
Echoing another viewer's comment, if you're making the grooves "dancable" with greater involvement from your whole body, I feel that'd really elevate this. Madd respect either way!
Tbh he says it so many times I gotta criticize it, I dont think this is one of their hardest songs on drums but it's because of how many difficult songs they have
If you watch only his playthroughs? Maybe it's the toughest of his playthroughs. Out of their whole discography? Probably not even top 20 I'm guessing lol
Not to say it's not hard, it's insanely hard. What's worse is so much of periphery sounds WAY EASIER than it actually is and Matt makes it look even easier than it sounds. Learning periphery is BRUTAL so I'm not trying to discredit him. I'm super impressed be did this
But still, there's shit on the 1st 2 albums that put this to shame IMO
link me
@8020drummer
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In lieu of linking every song
P1 -zyglrox, totla mad, the walk, Insomnia, light, racecar (the solo mainly around 7:20), buttersnips
P2- make total destroy, have a blast, Scarlett, masumune, erissed (the solo especially but might be easier for your style of playing than most), mile zero, ragnarok, froggn bullfish
I'm probably wrong about some of them but they all are crazy in their own ways.
I see what you're saying. In one sense, you're correct. This song is faster, and has a bunch of double kick runs in 16th and sextuplets. In another sense it's a little simpler to hear, as most everything is in a beat phrases, and there aren't those nested layers of "fucking with it" that you see in Dracul. Of course I could qualify my title to say "ONE of their toughest songs that doesn't require godlike double kick chops" but the algorithm gonna algorithm ;)
@8020drummer you're right about that with some of those songs. Faster but easier to understand. I also can't blame you at all for playing the algorithm game. Maybe I'm also just being a fanboy of the first 2 albums but to me, a song like dracul could be harder to learn but easier to perform once you learn. I was actually trying to think of songs that are tougher to perform and learn, and I'd say at least the solo of that first song I linked (the walk) would qualify but maybe not the rest of it
Great video though and thanks for checking out some of Matt's old school insanity
Mr. Bean plays the drums
Your mom didn’t seem to mind
Yes, it is pronounced Djent
So “dee-jent”? Got it
If you're gonna play metal I would suggest you start hitting those drums a lot harder. You're gingerly tapping them like you're using brushes in a jazz ballad.
I say the same thing to everybody who leaves comments like this - link me ;)
He's a master of disguising simple time signatures making it seem like it's far more complex than it is. This type of drumming is extremely hard because you have to learn how to override the most basic rules that form the very foundation of drumming. The things he does are what drummers are taught NOT to do because it's nearly impossible to do your job as a drummer. This is like putting a roof on your house during a hurricane. Who the fuck would ever do that? Well Matt Halpern would do it, and it would be the nicest roof in the neighborhood. He's a fucking freak.
2 of my favorite drummers!!
Any periph song is hard but this isn't the hardest, i'd say Omega by them just in terms of learning bit by bit is up there
Or in terms of double bass probably Zyglorx