Shooting 4k or HD - Pros and Cons
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- čas přidán 4. 07. 2024
- Let's break down the good and the bad of shooting primarily in 4K resolution.
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2K @ 24fps is a happy medium for me.
I shoot 1080/60. Love it.
U forgot to put the polling card in your video, at 6:58. But thanks for making the video, I am learning a lot from you.
Airborne Afro it's there, just click on the I. thanks!
I’ll be honest, I bought into the 4k hype for my youtube channel. But from the first video I made with my new camera, I realized that the lighting still sucked, the audio still sucked and the colors were still off. It took another 6 months experimenting with lighting and positioning the mic to really get the quality I was looking for. Lesson learned; shooting in 4k isn’t going to solve any of your video problems, it’s just going to make them higher resolution. For anyone who genuinely wants to up their production quality, examine your current lighting and audio first. It’s a lot cheaper (though admittedly less exciting) than buying a new camera.
Actual content is far more important than resolution, most people watch something based on the content, if it's watchable people will watch it
@@ericolens3 end of the day it's the content that's the most important, you want people to watch be most concerned with the content first
@@ericolens3 underrated comment
It's just the same with 4K as it was with HD. I can still remember everything digging into FHD when it was new, only to find out their computer was hardly able to process the data, their disks ran out of space in no-time and exporting took ages. 'But HD...'
I always tried to get people to see that most video's on the internet are hardly worth a look at and more pixels won't change that. Until June 2017 or so, I used a 4:3 PAL videocamera. Yes, that was 720x576, but it was sufficient for me and I never pretended to be such a good video-idiot ;)
Since June 2017, I made the step into the Full HD era and it's something I still have to get used to: if it isn't for the fact my footage is now recorded on far more convenient SD-cards (where the camera before that used miniDV tape), it is for the increased resolution: if I take a shot from a sign or so, I tend to zoom so much that I can clearly read the sign in the viewfinder (Which is not a full HD viewfinder, but only has 450.000 pixels or so).
In reality, the sign can be read from great distance when viewed on a FHD computer screen.
So far, FHD is good enough for me and with the amount of control I like over the camera (rings that mechanically alter focus, zoom and iris), 4K is also too expensive for me.
Pair it with a computer that nearly dies when I edit 4K (I did it once to show a map with a route being drawn on it while moving a FHD-frame over the 4K footage to show where the route was going) and you understand why I also won't be switching ;)
Good lighting and audio is more expensive then any little camera that i can think of! But you are right in one thing that 4k maybe will not solve much problems for you guys that do small CZcams videos, but it does give you so much flexibility at very cheap price and it is going to save your butt if you are actually making living from making videos! And guys please stop advocate for 1080p anymore! It is 2019 and 90 % TVs sold in past 4 years been 4k. And even those who does not have 4k TV or monitor are going to benefit in many ways of 4k resolution! My 2 year old Asus that costed me 300$ new can edit 4k and it is very low end notebook with i3 processor and no dedicated GPU!
1080 seems good to go, I know higher resolutions are the future but the higher resolutions take hell lot of time to edit and render not to forget the storage time and costs.
Shout out to everyone watching this in 720p or less 🤣🤣
I can't load this video in anything past 240p
Why would ANYONE want to watch this guy in HD anything??! It's just a guy talking! I don't need no stinking HD or 4k for this!
I usually watch YT on my phone, not even full screen so I can read/type comments as I watch. So yeah, even less than 720p
360 man. Net sucks here
360 jahahahaha
This was the best informative/explanation I've seen about the video resolution. This is a question of no answer, but pure common sense.
Congrats to you buddy. So easy to like your videos.
Your videos are very well done. Informative and very professional and polished. Thank you,for doing them
2k is plenty for me. I like saving time while editing
Hey Ed,
I stumbled across this video under recommended and I'm so glad I did. You have a very unique (and detailed) way of explaining things that most don't seem to talk about or simply overlook. Subscribed, and looking forward to more of your work!
Great info that you put together in this video, I appreciate it. At the moment I try to record in 4K whenever I can since in post it's more flexible when it comes to the things you mentioned like fake panning, digital zoom, crop, etc. and export the final product in 1080 for better file management.
4k: Future Proof
1080p: Resource Proof
if 4K content is shit, it's not even present proof. if 480p content is good, it's forever proof. true story))
@@LordArioh Very true. It's easy to obsess about image quality, I do it myself, but if something is interesting the viewer adapts to the visuals very quickly. In fact if you watched interesting VHS footage accompanied by the best digital sound, people would walk away thinking how great the video was. Truth is very few people sit a few inches from an 8mp/4k screen obsessing about IQ. Mostly it's laptops and phones where smart editing is the hook, not cinema quality.
4k is not future proof - it's waste of money. Because when the time of 4k would come your gear would be old and outdated.
@@yrussq That's a great point! There are definite financial benefits to sitting on the sidelines until figuring out what you are buying and why as prices drop.
I use m50 , sl2 and Gh3 ... I kept thinking I need 4k , I picked up Gh4 off eBay... after 5 months I ended up shooting Gh4 in HD more and sometime I prefer Gh3 more lol
Great presentation, i love your approach, thank you for this video
the info and opinions are appreciated - I'm not big on the tech side so it's nice to hear your take on it - 4K sounds awesome in the store but there's always more to it
Great info. I was "forced" to shoot in 2.7K and now I am pleased I did. Quality on a UHD-tv is fantastic in 2.7K.
You have solved a puzzle in my mind for a long time: 4k vs 1080, etc now makes sense.
I thought this review was awsome and in a nutshell and straight to the point....GREAT
Dude, amazing didactic video (well produced, cohesive and coherent with context ) ....you just won one more subscriber.
really well done
Ed . i use a samsung nx1and i agree with all your points.
I generally always shoot UHD 25p and deliver FHD. There are really so few benefits to delivering 4K or UHD currently. It's nice from a techy / geeky point of view but little more. As you say though, FHD framegrabs from UHD are superb.
I've been using HD 1080p for basic interview sets or any recordings that require longer recording times because its easier to render the video files in post. In regards to 4k, I'll use it for more of a action, or fast paced type of video but will record only up to 10-15 secs for each clip to help with rendering. So far it has worked for me. But I can honestly say I have been shooting more HD lately. Great video bro!
Thanks great video! I have my first 4K camera on the way...waiting on the UPS truck now. :) You helped answer a lot of questions for me.
Your pursuit for excellence has been attained! Very good job explaining everything and excellent visual examples showing all the differences!
I've been pulling my hair out trying to figure out if my Mavic had issues and I needed to send it back. The cause of my stress? 4K footage of the grass and trees in my front yard played back on my 2560x1440 display iMac. What I've been seeing is EXACTLY what you showed at 3:40 into you video!!!! Your my hero. Superbly helpful video! Thank You!
Josh Goldschmidt yep has happened to me also. Called moire
Glad it helped you Josh!
just means you need to buy a faster and more capable computer. I had the same problem. so I got a new ASUS www.bestbuy.com/site/asus-q524uq-2-in-1-15-6-touch-screen-laptop-intel-core-i7-12gb-memory-nvidia-geforce-940mx-2tb-hard-drive-sandblasted-black-aluminum-with-gunmetal-hinge/5561400.p?skuId=5561400desktop with
Sometimes you don't need a new computer (if it's a desktop, not a laptop, of course).
I recently replaced my old nVidia 460 with the nVidia 1080 graphics card and I now see the difference.
I played back the 4K images of today's flight on my Android smartphone. The images were very clean, crispy, and sharp. I am still tweaking and learning the Mavic Pro since it is new.
Thanks for this very informative Video. Good Overview for beginners
I really like how you really got in depth comparing 4K and 1080p ..sadly many people don't understand the two when it comes to detail but HANDS DOWN! nice video .
Excellent, answered many of my queries and puzzles! Thanks, Mick
Great video. one note, if your paying that much for hard disk space you need to shop around. I picked up all my western digital 5tb drives 2 years ago for less than $120/drive. and actually final price was cheaper than that. picked up the external enclosures with 5tb drives. got 6 of them. raided them in stripe to make one massive 30 tb array, that pushes a actual throughout of 700megabytes per second (amazing for editing). here's the catch. installed all those drives internally. then took the enclosures and listed the empty enclosures one by one on eBay starting bid at $6. each enclosure sold for about $70!!! so each $120 drive minus 70 = $50/drive..... so 30tb of storage $300. brand new western digital. no special deals for the $120. walmarts regular price at the time. CHEERS!
KmanAuto I agree. I don’t worry too much about disk space. Same reason I find most of this cloud business is useless for saving space. It is helpful for moving things around or looking at a certain library of music or video etc. But I wouldn’t spend a whole lotta money buying cloud space. When Hard drives are soooo cheap as you have shown.
Wow, I've never heard of a RAID storage array until I read this comment. Watching videos on it now, really cool. Thanks for sharing!
@@LUTYTV and that's why you have a backup (presumably in a 3-2-1 system: You have 3 different destinations where the same file resides, on 2 different media, one of them in another location/always with you.
You can even take it one step further by having one of those backups 'tailing' the other: should a back-up get infected by something, you can always revert to your last backup.
My back-up strategy is not the best (one big drive with everything I also have on the disks in my computer, always on top of the computer) but at least I have a backup and not a 'backup' (read: 'Please help me! My back-up disk crashed and now I lost everything!' 'Well, buy a new one and make a new backup?' 'You don't get it! My back-up disk contained everything I don't have on my computer!' 'Ah... so it's not a backup then...' '........' )
If you buy space at Google, I can think you can be sure they will have reduncancy in place. But I will never ever trust my files to Google for that sort of things. My files are my files, and they don't have anything to do with that. It also won't be the first time a big commercial company changes it's terms and conditions overnight and removes everything, or makes it invisible as long as you don't pay more.
2.7k all the way on my Mavic. Almost no discernible difference between that and 4k IMO.
That's because you lose detail with the Bayer pattern. A 4K bayer would be closer to a 1440P image than real RGB 4K, which you'd need a higher resolution camera to get.
Dude, great videos and information. I just watched two of your videos because they answered exactly what I was looking for as I am debating about what cameras to upgrade to and WHEN I should upgrade to 4K for my videos. The other video I watched was about what frame rate to shoot in as I'm having an internal battle between 30 and 60 fps. Subscribed man!
Ed, this was a really useful and informative video. It has provided me with many answers to questions I was asking myself about his very subject. It has cleared up a lot for me.
I shoot full hd, because i release on you tube, and most people don't stream 4k, so i don't see the point to use up my storage. Great video though!
That’s my reasoning behind it too 😅
Excellent analysis of the 4K v 1080P argument Ed, many thanks for sharing your experiences and obvious knowledge with us! Keep it up ..
I'm watching this in 2020 for the first time and it's very helpful. Thanks for sharing.
6:20
Would be nice if you'd add the metric system as well to it.
The rest of the video is very helpful, thanks!
10 ft = 3 metre
I'm watching this at 240p and don't see any difference between it and 4K. Both look low res to me...
That's your internet connection then
Excellent informative submission. Now I understand why my old (though powerful) laptop has the stutters when trying to edit 4K.
Hey Ed, I love the reactions I get from people who see the 4k vids from my Mavic Pros on my 65" 4k TV. I recently had a friend visit and wanted to see what I've been doing with my Mavics. She's a professional. She has a pair of DJI Inspires. Until that day she only ever saw her footage on a PC. She was blown away.
Another thing to add is fps, you can shoot 1080p at 60fps now and display it on youtube, i prefer 60fps videos over 25fps 4k clips, especially if its a moving scene.
I agree with you. I use 1080/60p for youtube.
This largely depends on what kind of look the person is going for, for instance, most cinematic videos are done in 24fps, while some vloggers might use 30fps and high action sports might use 60fps. The frame-rate can actually contribute to the overall experience of the video and if the 4K footage is more of a nature cinematic set of clips, then 24-25fps can help aid to that experience.
There are 4K 60FPS videos on YT...
Good info Ed. Who the hell gives you a thumbs down? I mean WTF.
Tercero@ If you want to be treated with you as well. (Karma) OK.
Thank you for the great tips on Shooting in 4K or 1080 HD. Definitely will help my future projects !
I just stumbled on this video and have to says it is the best video on this topic that I watched so far.👏
watching this video on 480p display ! xD
I'm watching it on 144p
what the fk r u doing here
😂😂😂
Lmao do you have an iphone
Me too (480p), it was automatically chosen for no reason. Changed back to 4K
Whenever I don't need the fps I use 4k. Any other time 1080p.
Really enjoying these videos, mate! Just bought myself a Mavic Pro and learning a lot.
Hi Ed! I'm glad I stumbled onto this video! Very informative, excellent comparisons and well presented! I wish you every success for the future! Kind regards.
Don't buy WD drives, Toshiba are the best. I've got this advice from pro data recovery service after I lost 2 drives with data.
100% correct...my WD 4TB worked great the 1st week then total failure for no reason. I bought a 4tb SEAGATE and no issues
Comparing hd and 4k on phone screen at 480p 😁
Excellent video, well-presented and such useful information. Thanks for taking the time to put this together for us.
Congrats Totally agree. 50% of the projects we do are in 1080p it varies from project needs.
2.7k 30fps is my goto format
Anonymous Tutourals/reactin/reload opps you are correct i ment to say 2.7k 60
Hi Ed
I was having the same problem, the more cuts and edits I made the slower the video would get. Adding sound created more slowness and then slow mo or speeding up created even more stuttering and jerkiness during editing. I had good hardware but the 4K was slow as crap on Premiere Pro. As someone else mentioned I found the solution which is the Proxy option. It eliminates all the problems. Yes the computer takes a bit of time at the start to make the lower res proxy files but after that you can edit with the low res 1080P clones and they play the video smoothly. The final product is made using the original 4K footage so it looks the same when your finished. You can toggle between the two while working if you ever need to.
Check out this video. A guy named Svavar and Robbyg on Mavicpilots bought the solution to my attention.
helpx.adobe.com/premiere-pro/how-to/proxy-media.html
Peace !!
Awesome! Thanks for the info John
Excellant delivery of very useful information! Things to consider for sure.
Just now discovered this video. Great info ! You just saved me a lot of computer memory space storing my new Mavic2 Pro footage. 1080 will serve my needs the vast majority of the time. You have great editing skills ! Thanks for the good advice 👌🏼
Shoot in 4k edit it via proxy, slow computer problems solved. :-)
Until it's time to hit export XD
lol, true
Hi, could you explain what you mean by "edit it by proxy"? Thank you.
A Proxy is a low res lesser quality version of your footage, that's in a codec your computer can decipher more easily. So when you import footage into Premiere Pro if that's what you're using, you can choose to create proxies of your files so that you edit lowres files. Then when it comes time to export, you just switch out the lowres files for your original footage. Bam! It's great if your computer struggles with 4K or even 1080p H.264 footage.
Final Cut Pro X does it automatically. I can edit much faster than if I would edit the raw 8K footage directly from my RED.
I purchased a Sony AX33 camcorder specifically to shoot in 4K. My SD cards are the fastest and all are either 32 or 64 (will add a 128). I purchased a custom made desktop with the highest level i7 CPU ( at the time) and an NVidia GPU and up'd the RAM to 32 GB. I have at least 10 TB worth of external HDs. BUT, I find I still primarily shoot in HD and post my recent footage to CZcams In HD. Its the processing time and the amount of storage that has kept me from shooting more. The local computer shop has offered to get me external RAID storage. I may have to go in that direction. Spring 2017 events are coming up and I may chose to add more 4K but the quality of HD still produces good editable/viewable footage.
You're so stupid mate. Intel i7 is shit. For 4K you need Ryzen 7. You stupid moron. Nvidia GPU sucks too. Just get AMD you dipshit
If you notice I said "at the time". I don't disagree that Ryzen 7 is excellent, but it wasn't around then. So I don't know why you need to be so nasty? But I am not about to buy a new computer nor gut the one I have.
Hiding behind anonymity I'd suggest anyone who reads you comments takes them for what they're worth.
Read his name
I went to his channel and it appears anonymous. I don't get into spates online, because it's not worth my time nor aggravation. Good work I complement, the rest I disregard. but thank you.
One of the best video with great explanations
Good stuff Rick! Keep them coming
Most normal people can't even tell the difference - 4k is years away from being the actual standard, I think HD/FHD still has a solid life ahead
Are most people blind ? Maybe there is a large geriatric population in your country because its really hard to understand how someone cant tell the difference.
@@casualcadaver 🤣
@@casualcadaver it`s the same. px is px.
4K TVs are cheap now. Years away? I don't think so.
My camera suport 4K but my computer not support for rendering.. my opinion FullHD is best choice for CZcams channel
Can upload a 4k video in 3 minutes, complains about that it takes long.
I can upload a 140p 1 minute video in 3 minutes i think if i downscale it halfways
I takes me a whole night to upload a gigabyte, and 4K is usually past 1GB/m
Great video! How would I know my computer is beefy enough? I have a i7 3.4 ghz w/ 12GB of RAM and a 760 NVDA Graphics. Is it mainly the graphics card I should be worried about?
thanks for the video, i am a novice when it comes to the drone world. i just purchased mavic pro and i have been shooting in 4k, when it came to post i had the exact issues you mentioned, and was questioning everything. thanks again for this informative video, your channel is tops. big thumbs up.
Drone 4k is a lot different than a big camera 4k...
Or Alta 8 from Freefly Systems. :-)
That is just plain wrong
Yes it’s true!
It's because the senor sucks.
What about RED camera vs Drone camera?
I couldn't see any difference between full HD and 4k.. oh wait i'm watching with a full HD monitor
you'd see difference in fine details being sharper. plus this video doesn't have a 4k option(at least on my end it only went to 1440p) so you aren't watching it in the max bandwidth youtube has.
I love the level of detail you got into in this video
Great video...you are expressing what many video makers should be doing, but they get so caught up in the hype of bigger is better and that is not always the way to go. Good on ya.
shooting in 4k as hobby is kinda pointless i think. takes up so much room. and need a decent pc to edit it. and takes days to upload on youtube.
No. yes, not really, and only if you have shit internet.
4K is important to me to preserve more detail. the room is fine I just throw away useless clips. if you use proxies it's very easy to edit. and I only get max 3Mbps upload and 4K uploads don't take too long.
And here I thought 16 Gigs of RAM on my HP laptop was enough? Heck, it didn't come with Bluetooth or HDMI out...Need another credit card...oh my...
I prefer 1080p at 60f
ikr...
exactly
1080p 60fps is gorgeous
4k 60 is better
@@leecason9468 file size is tremendous
Splendidly explained!
Great video- very resourceful, helpful and to the point!
4K of shitty pixels is still a shitty image.
You're right.
i can give you a 4k picture of my eyes, where you won't see where my eyes are placed
Yup trash in = trash out
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Not only very informative and great video but also has a great sense of humor.
Thank you so much for this video explaining pros and cons without bashing on one or the other. I think it really does depend on the aim of your project as well as the quality of you other gear. You just helped me decide between the Olympus E-M10 Mark II and mark III as I really thought I wanted the III's 4K ability but my computer wouldn't even be able to process 4k videos anyway (let alone edit it).
This guy has got HD and FHD mixed up, HD is 720p, whilst 1080p is really FHD, not HD. If you're going to use a chart and give a lesson, research what resolution is first.
He also doesn't know about using proxies to smooth out editing workflow...soooo.. take it as you will. I dismissed some things in this video.
excellent all encompassing and comprehensive video this is, I feel I was made aware of the cons of 4K at this stage of time.
Does the camera sensor make a difference in 4k frame resolution and quality? meaning if I took a 4k video with a 24.2MP seniors vs 42.2MP sensor and i extracted a frame from each, will the frame resolution be different?
Well thought out information Ed. Thanks.
Smart guy. Thanks for the info. I admire your knowledge, humor and expertise.
On point information with the pros and cons. Thanx for a great video, I got what I needed.
What a champion you really are!! Thank you!!
Good Video
I'm a little late to this party and video lol but I'm so happy that you brought up the 2K option, because that's exactly what I use for all my film projects due to not very many people still to this day use / own / or really know what or how to view and use 4K. So i love being able to save space, money, & TIME!! lol with my beefed up Alienware rig, It still takes a bit to get projects rendered and uploaded, even with my Fiber connection, with a 1GB DL / 55 UL limit.. But it's basically the best of both worlds definitely, and puts less stress on those who have lower end devices trying to view the content as well. Plus have more compatibility for your content means more friendly viewing experience, and with a better view there's more people willing to take a peek lmao. Good stuff and quality content, definitely subbed for that, Goodluck on all future endeavors & stay frosty!
Thanks Ed, useful info. Got a lot out of it. Subscribed, keep em coming! Thank you!
Excellent job. Well organized and scripted. Well explained and nice flow. I really enjoyed your video and learned alot.
Love the video. I've been considering upgrading my TV, cameras, and blu-ray player and movies to 4K. Now after looking at your video and others, and comparing video quality between blu-ray and 4K movies, I don't think it would be worth the money. I didn't realize so much went into making a 4K video or movie. Thanks for the info. You have saved me a lot of time and money.
Thank you for the Video, just got my mavic the other day and was wondering if i should film in HD or not. This video really helped :) Keep up the good work, love your vids!
Best explanation of 4k vs 2.7k vs 1080.. Bravo.. Thanks
You bring up a lot of good points. Thanks for this video.
I have the mavic and I use 2.7k for the very reasons you pointed out... great video by the way ..... also at the movies I only go to a cinema with 4k projectors... to my eyes the difference is incredible
Thanks Ed that was wonderfully well explained and cleared a lot up for me . Best wishes
Thanks for taking your time for these vids = very good!
Ed, thanks for the great explanation.
With my Mavic Air, I shoot in 1080 @ 60fps as any less fps gives me too much jitter due to camera movement.
I thought my videos were nice and smooth but sometimes too clear and too real so your comment to adjust sharpness to a - value is exactly what I was missing so thank you for this video.
Lots of good information in this video. I've been developing my resources to get into the drone and film business and you gave me a lot of great tips here. You did an excellent job editing this video also by demonstrating some of the techniques you talked about (pan, zoom 4k etc). It's important to consider the ultimate video resolution that I will be delivering to customers (4k, 2k, 1080) since they might not be aware that a 4k video may not play well if they don't have a 4k tv or computer/monitor to play their video on. I subscribed.
Thanks for watching!
Finally a video explaining this. Thank you!
Thanks bro, very help full. I struggled so much with that 4K thinking it was the drone. I got it right on the money.
great video Ed - all makes sense
Well done Ed, great breakdown!
Very helpful! Just what I wanted to know. Thanks!
Thank you!
GREAT video, full of info but short too.Thanks.
Very good points... I second your thought and very helpful. Thank you!