Titan Sub TRANSCRIPT FAKE | crew member debunks transcript authenticity
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- čas přidán 19. 06. 2024
- The Titan, a submersible purpose built by Ocengate for diving the 12,500 feet to the Titanic wreck suffered a catastrophic implosion on Sunday Jun 18, 2023 at around 9:30am local Titanic time.
A crew meber on board the Polar Prince support ship for the final mission has provided some previously unkown information information about the last moments and confirmed that the so called leaked transcript of text messages between sub and topside is a forgery and hoax.
The widely quoted account by James Cameron of how the implosion occured is corrected in this video.
Viral video explaing the forged transcript • LEAKED Titan Sub Trans...
0:00 Intro
0:26 Recovered pieces
1:05 Ballast weight update
1:30 CO2 scrubber update
1:45 Hull noises
2:09 Transcript
3:01 Code sheet
3:13 Final message
3:36 Timestamps wrong
3:51 James Cameron correction
4:43 Weight drop
5:16 summary
Music track thanks to CO.AG • Over Soon - Backgrou... - Věda a technologie
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I don't care if the transcripts are true or not but I believe these transcripts
Insanity personified, in comment form.
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You forgot to take your medication
Agnostic theist mood.
"someone just told me why theyre fake but i believe them anyway". 100% flat earther.
The fake transcript sounded like a movie script. Thanks for clearing this up.
Yes, too much drama.
@@SloverOfTeuth The drama is, of course, the point with these fakes.
They never denied it. Seems real to me
I can smell the popcorn from here
so in reality, the people in the sub never expected to die. they really did never see it coming?
I know I don't have to ask, but please continue to keep us informed and up to date. I am just one of many, as seen by the comments, who appreciate your knowledge of the subject and your desire to be honest and transparent with the facts.
I wish all news casters / presenters were as honest and careful as you, sir!
The transcript was as real as the safety of the submersible.
Outstanding, FACTUAL, reporting. Thank you for confirming and debunking this!
Thank you for the information and coverage of this topic. I've reassessed my view on this quite a bit. The transcript reads more easily as a decently-penned melodrama than as a pragmatic log of actual events. You've pointed out a lot of finer details in the transcript that just don't add up upon closer scrutiny. Particularly the final message from your source, which is in line with how Pogue, who almost certainly has also been in contact with crew members, said the communications might look. Not to mention the mismatched timeline and how the sub was actually expected to behave. Great sobering evaluation put forth here.
I had heard part of this, thanks for confirming. What you said sounds a lot more like the real world. They either had no warning or it was so short they didn't have time to react. Definitely better that way.
3:25 "Enjoy the dive gentlemen" gave me strong "All Your Base" vibes
Ja that was a giveaway. Like a movie script
I'm still mindblown, not by the shotty craftsmanship, but by the fact so many looked at this thing, and felt that a trip to the depths of the Atlantic was so trivial they felt safe enough to board and go down in this thing. Every video you see on expeditions to the titanic, the subs were very, very sophisticated and built like tanks but this....looked like an empty coke can with a dome on the front controlled by a game control. R.I.P damn....
Exactly, professional subs that go down to that depth look like the space shuttle or apollo capsule. This tin can looked homemade in somebodies garage using hardware store parts. Crazy
Thanks for bringing us back to reality, Mike. We needed it.
Thanks so much, Mike, for debunking that fake transcript and clarifying that the sub was slowing its descent as usual when comms were lost. Like you, I am glad to be able to think that the crew suffered no warning.
Hey Maud. The leaked transcript never made sense to me. I'm glad that nonsense can now go in the bin. And it will be good to have more detail from the investigation.
@@Mike-Bell I am glad an actual Titan team member felt able to share authentic information with you. It is a testament to the credible reputation you’ve built for accurate, thorough research.
I don't know where everybody gets this "no warning" nonsense from. The implosion itself would be near instantaneous, sure. Doesn't mean that leading up to that there wouldn't be PLENTY of auditory indication of what was about to happen. Especially with a composite material, which would be popping and cracking as the plies were slowly delaminating under tiny deformation (before outright failure).
@@robinhoodwinker8621 What warning does glass give you. Its either together or shattered. Carbon fibre works the same.
@@robinhoodwinker8621 Or another way it could have happened is that the sounds of the ocean and the sounds of the CF were consistent background noise throughout the descent, right up until the implosion. From Mike’s video, I understand that the events recorded were normal…the normal dropping of weights to slow descent at the depth they had achieved. To the crew, everything may have seemed normal, and their brains would not have had time to register the implosion.
One of the reasons I watch your channel is because I believe you do your homework and it's not just a bunch of sensationalized rubbish for clicks. I didn't believe the leaked transcript and am really glad someone on board has reached out to you. Lately I was wondering how much longer it will be before we have a public hearing or any kind of announcement of any findings. Given they just fairly recently recovered at least one major piece of the Titan it may still be a long way off.
Unfortunately, we humans sometimes have little patience, and I think that's part of why that transcript caught on with so many people. High drama is more interesting than what may very well have happened. The crew may very well have not known anything was coming and then suddenly it was already over with. Like the Byford Dolphin accident, which had dramatic injuries, but those men likely never registered a single moment of that experience. It was over in an instant. I truly do hope the crew on board the Titan did not know or feel anything and highly suspect that is actually the case.
To me, the fact that they could "quietly" realize that the sub was progressively going to implode was just impossible to believe. I've worked close to composites (aeronautics) for many years in my life, and CFRP most of the time. And I can assure you that Carbon Fiber never gives any warning when if has to give. Just watch a Formula 1 car hitting something, and you'll see that carbon fiber violently shatters when it has exceeded its limits.
Imho, the Titan implosion was like turning down a switch of breaking a light bulb.
Appreciate the measured outlook
Gotta think that the full "official" analysis is going to take a couple years at least and this was a good reminder not to overspeculate since we're a long way from knowing the biggest details with any level of certainty
Thanks for the updates with authentic, new information, and debunking of the transcript reports. I’d rather wait in anticipation than have stories.
Ocean Gate employees were most likely instructed by lawyers not to say anything . They also likely don't want the negative attention . Harrassment and blame from people not even remotely affected by the tragedy would be a guarantee .
Yes also the crew member who spoke to me said they were all asked not to speak out till the investigation is conlcluded as any inconsistencies could have legal implications.
Another great video Mike. One thing that led me to think there was validity to the transcript is in the video clip you show at 2:54, which I have also shown a few times on my videos, from that BBC documentary from 2 years ago. If you look at the transcript on screen at 2:54, and look at the time stamp for the sub at [10:13:28] you can see in red letters, the sub has indeed typed in almost a full sentence. So I don't think they always typed in 1-letter codes, and so I doubt that you can say this is fake just by using the argument that the sub would never communicate in sentences, because we see theyhave indeed used full words.
Hey thanks Jeff. It was the enjoy the dive gentlemen that had my fake meter going. Plus typing out the plan before action was nonsensical.
The coast guard have been infantile in the way they have withheld so much information. First not revealing that there was a loud bang recorded that could potentially have been an implosion. And why withhold the 9:30am dive time.
@@Mike-Bell Crazy thing about the script was that there was a name in there that corresponded with a name at oceangate. Which would of needed some effort to find out. Also I read earlier that the rear bellhousing is found and an investigator thinks it was the rear seam of the titanium ring and carbonfiber that caused the problem, also in the fake transcript there was abnormal sounds coming from the rear.... So, hmm.
@@TJAnttola 🤣🤣 no hmm from me. From the start the way it sounded like a movie script that shouted fake. Plus Titan wouldn’t “spring a leak”!! At those depths it would be either intact or busted. No in between.
The fun thing is we can wait till the final findings and I have every reason to believe the crew member.
@@warrenstrong8615 thanks Warren!! 🫡
@@Mike-Bell Perhaps the coastguard delayed the release of that information because they didn't want to distract attention from the search effort while they were within the 96 hours limit? You write with full confidence that the bang corresponded to the implosion, but could that have been known with absolutely 100% certainty at the time?
The problem I saw with the transcript, right from the start, is that it was just too melodramatic, spinning a story like a kids TV program. My best guess is that the DSV was fine until it suddenly wasn't. I find it fascinating that some people have taken that transcript and woven a tale around it involving leaks, loss of buoyancy, too rapid a descent (do you think too rapid a descent would be a problem for an otherwise good hull?), warning noises etc.
Appreciate your serious/balanced approach.
1. He was liked and admired.
2. Non-disclosure agreements.
OR 3. They want to be very careful with what they say due to pending lawsuits and the desire to find future employment.
It saddens me a great deal that someone would even think of doing this. The tragedy is horrific enough on its own to then add exploitation and misinformation only to top.
Thank you 🙏🏻 for sharing this video
Thank you Ryann. I am with you. I am also disturbed by it all. And this was not the only made up transcript. There were a lot other hoax transcripts that didn’t get traction and attention. And there are so many people who believed this or more accurately wanted to believe the darkest most terrifying version.
And it doesn’t stop there. Others believe this whole story was fabricated as a distraction from goodness knows what…
I’ll focus on all the good people like you 😀
Thanks for your comment 👍🏻
@@Mike-Bell
Conspiracy theories boggle the mind.
People shouldn't play around when there are victims of an event.
My thing is who would take the time to do all of this
Cutting corners in any industry inevitably leads to disaster and this is exactly what happened, he didn’t certify the vessel and paid with his life, it’s a shame he took three others with him, he was a salesman and sold this death trap
Four. He took four lives with him. 😢
so happy i found this channel
Welcome aboard! 😊
thank you! cant wait to see the real transcript@@Mike-Bell
Jeff’s video mentioned several times that it might not be real. Plus he was pointing out inconsistencies, like how fast they dove in the “transcript.”
Indeed. And yet some youtubers where pointing at the times and depths as a 'smoking gun' that they were descending too fast. "Too fast", "should have known something wrong", "why didn't they act they knew something..." and similar. Then made a whole timeline about 'must have been leaking much sooner" and other tales. Pretty much all based on an unverified transcript.
@@mikefochtman7164 that’s why I liked Jeff’s video. It was pretty much an exercise of “let’s assume it’s real and play it out, just to see what could have happened.” He didn’t claim it was real, he just looked at the data as presented and commented on it.
It still came across (to me) as being needlessly sensationalistic.
That's the very issue though, he assumes it's real instead of fake and in this instance where the pressure crushed the sub faster than their brains can process, you can't assume some drawn out ordeal of problems and creeping doom is in any way 'real.'
@@alphax4785 That’s not the issue at all. He said it may or may not be real. What else was he supposed to go off of? There’s very little information available, so if there’s something that may be true it doesn’t hurt to look at it. And i think you misunderstood my comment, I said it was an exercise in “let’s assume it’s real and play it out.” As in, we were looking at it as if it were true but we know it could fake. He never said it was real and he expressed his doubts about it. To me, that’s not assuming it’s real. It’s playing out the scenario as transcribed and pointing out things that don’t seem right.
Thanks for clearing that up! Always been a sceptic to the authenticity of that transcript.
Very informative videos. I am glad i stumbled into your channel. I am surprised you have so few subscribers considering the good content you make.
@MikeBell: It would seem that your inferred timeline of dropped weights at 400 m lines up with the transcript as well as other reports of the last ping being 90 minutes into the dive. Lost comms and tracking 105 minutes into the dive (no 15 min ping).
It never made sense to me that they’d be typing out whole sentences and not using any abbreviations. Glad you confirmed it.
Exactly! Even on terra firma people use abbreviations in most professions. I'm a retired RN, in medicine we use many almost universal abbreviations.
The "transcript" never made any sense to me for that, and for many other reasons.
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If you look at the BBC documentary, it shows their chats to each other , and there are NO abbreviations. They spoke in complete sentences so that doesn’t prove anything
Dear Mike, great drawing at5:45! It very well shows the damage the connecting ring(s) suffered. Hoisting a recovered ring clearly shows this has occured; an edge is sticking out, torn for a long distance, yet still attached to the ring.
Poor design: the least difference in compression from the titanium to the fiber material leads to the edges section from the mother ring. If those titanium ends are machine turned, I guess, the sharp 90°corner line for the edges equals to a breaking line.
Any way, the (too) often reported cracking sounds, indicating there is movement, is not originating from the titanium elements. This is a heard demonstrated reoccurent conflict!
Good point with the short messages and the acoustic transmission to the surface.
Indeed it makes sense and seems quite logic too.
That was helpful NEW information! Thanks!
Not speaking publicly about anything negative of Rush is almost certainly due to non disclosure agreements. Wait it out..
I hope I to hear more from the inside soon and that they can see I’m safe to confide in. . The investigation will still be another year or 2 before we know anything substantial.
yeah we all saw how he responded to critics from the outside as well as people on the INSIDE that dared question or challenge him. I seriously doubt if anyone is staying quiet because he was just "that nice of a guy" - lmao. right
Mhm would an NDA even be practically valid under these circumstances? Who would enforce it on behalf of Rush and to what gain, since the business has been wound down?
@@SianaGearz yeah I’m really surprised nobody else has said anything about how they were treated as an employee and now after losing their job and being landed in a situation now with OceanGate on their resume!
But it seems there is something keeping them from talking 🤷♂️
@@Mike-BellIt's not on their resume by accident. My first job out of university was working at a Schlumberger subsidiary developing a project. They clearly didn't know what they were doing, and I left after 4 months. The project was abandoned.
I appreciate that some employees were possibly in a very difficult situation, they were perhaps misled by Stockton Rush at the recruitment phase, and then faced great practical costs in leaving. But I think it is still the responsibility of an engineer not to endorse by their actions something which is unsafe, and unvalidated manned DSV technologies are clearly unsafe.
Thanks for clearing this up.
Glad it was helpful!
Very respectful treatment of this disaster. thanx!
This is gonna make one killer seconds from disaster episode in a few years
Great point! I love that series. They always do a good job on telling the stories respectfully. 👍💯
The footage i've seen of the titan out of the water raises eyebrows. The weight of the front dome/door is supported by one hinge! They then but a bottle jack under it to prevent sagging while fitting it out. The structural stress of it being transported over rough water was probably never calculated mainly the heavy equipment in the back tail. Again all that jolting stress on poorly glued joints. It was bound to fail on so many levels.
Stockton is on the bridge of the Titanic as we speak shouting "I'm at the bottom of the world"
Thanks for the insite, I watched a video on the transcript. But your breakdown is fantastic
Glad you enjoyed it!
It really was first rate, your evidence given made for a great breakdown. I look forward to more videos
I try to limit my exposure to the hype people create from the release of immediate information. Especially when a full investigation is still being conducted.
I still hold that regard. With that said, I do feel this is a more probable scenario of a transcript as being concise relevant information transmissions instead of a bloated scenario fit for a show or movie. I'm sure in the coming years a movie will be made that will coincide with drama rather than fact.
Wow thank you so much! I was really skeptical of that transcript.
You're very welcome!
Great video!
Fascinating.
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Thankyou.
Glad you enjoyed it🤙🏻 Cape Town 🇿🇦
Best summing up so far in my eyes
A succinct yet very detailed account as always - perfect! Thanks for this update and important clarification.
Glad it was helpful!
Good information, thank you!
I didn't really believe the transcript was genuine but I also wouldn't trust anyone affiliated with the Titan Crew or the support team as a source of information as many are trying to protect themselves from culpability and who knows what they'll say.
Exactly
The pressure at those depths is more than the pressure used in water jet cutters that can slice through 6" steel like butter. So if there was any kind of problem with the pressure hull - even a pinhole - the water ingress would have totally destroyed the ship and everything inside it in a small fraction of a second. So any long discussions of hull damage have to be fake. Dropping weights and having problems controlling the vessel are possible communications - but no more than that.
Thank You👍
You are welcome!
awesome fair responsible carefully accurate report. thank you. hope others reach out with more info. fascinating.
I hope so too
@MikeBell Taking the datum that you give (dropped weights.3400 meters, 90 min) we can calculate the average downward speed of ~ 38 meters/min. If the downward acceleration was constant ( a reasonable assumption ) the downward speed would be ~76 meters/min. at 3400 meters, 90 min. If that acceleration is not altered, Titan would be on the the seabed at ~ 95.2 min. with a downward speed of ~ 80 meters/min. If the downward acceleration was somehow reduced to zero, Titan would arrive at the seabed at ~ 95.3 min. with a downward speed of ~ 76 meters/min. If it reached the seabed intact and parted the acoustic anomaly would occur between the two times stated. One more data point would speak volumes about what happened.
One part of the fake transcript that kinda gave it away was the claim they weren't ascending at the expected speed after dropping the weights. Physics governs the ascent and that transcript just seemed like drama
Brilliant work.
I wonder if they found any personal devices. They would be destroyed, but any memory chips could still hold data recording the final moments.
Bad mouthing a previous employer is a good way to never get hired again, plus the employees of Ocean Gate may have had to sign a waiver about disclosing company secrets.
I was always curious about its accuracy, thank you
Glad it was helpful!
Titan's last message was "drpd 2w" meaning "dropped 2 weights" - that means they WERE trying to go back up prematurely, so.. they knew (or at least Stockton Rush knew) something was wrong enough to start dropping weights before they reached the sunken Titanic ship... He thought his warning system would give him enough time to rise back up, but it didn't...
You didn’t listen to the video fully. Dropped 2 weights meant they were dropping half the descent weights for a soft landing. Normal procedure. It didn’t mean there was anything wrong in fact it meant all was going normally.
@@Mike-Bell But it was NOT normal (also they technically NEVER had plans of LANDING - soft or otherwise - just hovering and navigating above the Titanic wreckage.. just saying). Anyway. The way ALL contact was lost 1hr 45min into the exploration (coms AND tracking, which were 2 separate systems - this was mentioned by James Cameron AND confirmed by OceanGate for Titan specifically - that coms and tracking were 2 completely separate systems, both lost at the same time) and the location of the Titan wreckage being 485 meters away from the Titanic wreckage -- absolutely proved that things were NOT going normally...
TLDR: Loss of contact with BOTH communication and navigation systems means time of implosion was 1hr 45mins into the dive. Location of wreckage was 485 meters away from the Titanic wreckage they were going to explore. These 2 facts prove that things were NOT going normally.
PS: OceanGate DID say dropping 2 weights this early was normal, but... When someone's literal track record is "90 dives with 13 successful descents but 77 failed and they had to surface early", and those people tell you something is """normal""" ..... take that with a grain of salt! :P
PPS: The failed dives were all non-fatal until the last one, so yeah, Stockton Rush really did (wrongly) believe that if something was wrong he'd be able to go back up successfully.
PPPS: We know carbon fiber isn't for deep sea exploration because it WEARS OUT TOO MUCH OVER TIME because this material WAS tested by OTHERS, extensively... this whole thing is really sad
Thanks for the update. I hope the analysis of the recovered parts is published in a reasonable amount of time. The findings are important for future designs and I imagine the families of those who died would like to know.
You reported on the collapse of Champlain Towers South and NIST still developing an analysis plan. I continue to hope for an interim report, but there are years of analysis scheduled so far. If you find out any information on the analysis, please post it.
Hi Mary
NIST had a day long update on Champlain Towers South a couple of motnths ago which I listened to very careful and with great interest. I plan to do a summary video of their findings when I get a chance. I am happy to say the failure hypothesis they are leaning towards is pretty much what I illustrated in my video 3 of the collapse. Basically they are saying it was woefully underdesigned structure particularly on punch shear rebar with poorly placed rebar which worsened the weakness. The pool deck collpased at its point of longest span and the pool deck fataly damaged/crippled 3 tower columns which buckled after 7 miunutes.
NIST estimate their final report will be out in about 1.5 years.
@@Mike-Bell I still follow the NIST investigation closely. I felt glad that they did their best to reveal as much of their hypothesis as possible, but without committing to it as final, during the last public session. They seem very sympathetic towards families of the victims. We must also remember that NIST is tasked not only with a plausible failure theory but also with developing recommendations to avoid future failures. It’s a daunting task that is much more difficult than analyzing the cause of building collapses after being rammed by jets filled with fuel.
You would wonder if anything can be learnt as many of these designs seemed so flawed they are likely as not ignoring anything already learnt. From what I have seen over many years any lessons learnt have a shelf life of only something like 15 years before it is a case of here we go again.
Is that the one that was close to where they set off the recent atom bomb?
@@alexandros8361 only if you are a conspiracy theorist 🤩
Thanks for the interesting update. Hopefully the inquiry will reveal much more from the crew and the transcripts.
I hope so too
This is a very important video. Great investigation and thanks to the source.
The the document showing the codes and abbreviations they used to communicate was made public right after the transcript started making the rounds. All information in this video was making the rounds 3 months ago so I don't know how much investigation was done here .
I tend to believe this version. It makes sense. Also, I once had a professor state that the quicker you can drop a false assumption, hypothesis, belief/whatever the faster you will get to the real truth. It is sometimes hard to do that but is always best to remain open-minded so you can recognize a fallacy instantly and move forward.
Thanks for the video. Love your channel and the information you give.
You are so welcome!
Seconded.
One of the questions I've had about the "transcript" regards the absence of navigational instructions. I know very little about deep submersible operation, but was under the impression that the crew topside provided navigation support to Titan via the messaging system. If so, would the actual transcript include such instructions?
Excellent point. Top side tracked the sub and where able to also able datum it off GPS. That was the only way that Titan knew where they were and as you point out not a single location messaged to Titan to navigate and tweak their location relative to the wreck.
Thanks !
Welcome!
Nice. Good video. Thanks man
I agree that there was no "fluffy" conversations sent over the sparce communications from ship to sub. Just makes no sense that there would be. Just let the scientists know what happened so rules can be made to prevent "civilians from dying" again. Just because Senor Slick was a good salesman does not mean he is a good ship's captain.
This makes complete sense. I never believed the "transcript". One reason was that I didn't think any professional would leak such an important item.
Thank you!
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I had read in the other transcript that they had 19 minutes of concern, not 90 minutes. Why were they dropping so rapidly. I also am glad they did not have minutes of panic.
Thank you sir for your video and explanations. Regardless of how it imploded, whether they heard prior warning sounds, or anything else, it was a sad day for explorers and exploration. Five families are forever changed from the tragic demise. Mike, in the “fake” transcript that I heard online, it said they were descending much faster than they should have according to their depth and elapsed time in the dive. My question is sir, do you believe this to be the case, and would it have made any difference in the outcome had they descended at a slower pace if in fact they descended too fast?
Hey Brett
There was no too fast descent. The crew member said nothing about high descent speed. The depth for that descent time was routine.
Completely dismiss the leaked transcript. Another red flag for the leaked transcpript is the ship asking depth data from the sub. The support ship was responsible for location of the sub because it had the powerful equipment and could reference to GPS so it had much better data. The sub only had a depth reading and no location so you would expect the ship to be feeding tracking info the to the sub.
I have a Friend that worked at Oceangate on the Titan Sub, He was a Project Manager and advisor on the Hull of Titan. He told me that his expertise in Hull discrepansies were not adhered to on many occasions causing him to leave the Company. He shared things in a Vague way as to not give away things about the Submersible. Do to his prior experience with Subs I have no Doubt it is true. Stuff he has told me about the Company was not exactly Favorable. I know this person very well and yes we live just East of Everett, Wa.
Hey greg. It would be great to talk to him to him in detail and find out more. My email is tadpolefarm@gmail.com and I can assure anonymity.
Oceangate does not want to get sued. They knew making the hull out of carbon fiber was gonna end in disaster. As soon as they found out everyone died and got back they closed down their website, did not offer an apology or anything!
You might want to educate yourself since they have released a dozen statements since it happened😂
Excellent narrative. Thank you for being a beacon of sense in a youtube field of dubious videos!
Be nice to know what crew position this "info" had on the Polar Prince, since they were not an Ocean Gate employee.
This is so informative. Hopefully, it won't be much longer before the Coast Guard does a public hearing.
Neutral buoyancy.. that assumes they weren’t taking on water
And if you have access to these transcripts.. show them.. ALL of them
Thanks for the update. Is there any indication when the investigation will be completed.?
18 months to 2 years is a typical timeframe
Very interesting about the fake script (makes sense) and the second salvage operation. Nice job on the video. I bet the second operation is fitted with more precise retrieval grabbing arms to pick up smaller pieces of the pressure vessel.
I think you are absolutley right. They need as much carbon fibre fragments as possible to come to conclusive and useful findings.
It would be really cool if you did a longer form video showing all possible scenarios of what lead to the implosion
There's pretty much only one.
The failure of the carbon fiber.
The way the carbon is wound into a tube like shape reminds me of a copper speaker core where copper wire is round and laminated into a tube like shape , Its strong in one direction but really weak in the other.
The BBC documentary of a previous dive showed texts back and forth on a screen in real time and they were not codes and abbreviations but full sentences. Is there an ulterior motive to suggest the leaked transcripts are not real?
Appreciate your quest for the true
Good heads up on the transscript. Still noticing a (potencially wrong) perception of the pressure hull and the material used linked to the failure mechanism. You mentioned carbonfibre fragments of the hull. Be aware the hull is carbonfibre composite not carbon.
I thought the transcript was probably real but if you're talking to a crew member - and the things you pointed out make sense - I'd say I was wrong. I"m 71....been wrong a lot of times. Good video.
Interesting, not sure there are any models of this factor however: When they pulled the craft with the ship,, waves etc would put stress on the "landing gear" frame. I don't think the submarine was constructed to handle this kind of "stres". That would be pulling ånd pushing, not pressure. I can imagine that this would create small flaws... that under pressure could become big.
Thank you for this Mike. Can your source confirm the horrific audio of the implosion that is also making the rounds?
Any audio is fake. No authentic audio released. Unfortunately the coast guard and investigators are being secretive and said basically nothing. We will have to wait for the final investigation report.
So much nonsense out there 😓 we need channels like this spreading the truth
The transcript is likely fake but I would need more than a trust me bro I have source from a you tuber with less than 50k subscribers before I would rule it out completely . Anyone can claim I know someone who was on board the Polar Prince that day . The internet is full of that type of thing..
Everyone on You tube is a fact checker with inside sources who debunks everything and everyone .
Every You tube comments section of every channel has subscribers saying thanks for being the only Channel that tells the truth or this You tuber is the only person on social media brave enough to cover this particular subject eventhough there was 1000 other CZcamsrs talking about the same subject and often long before
That's the internet for you.
It begins to look as though the implosion came without warning.
Radio waves propagate very poorly underwater. Only ultra low frequencies, with extremely long wavelengths, will work, which greatly reduces the amount of data or voice that can be transmitted. My father worked on these systems for nuclear submarines as an electrical engineer for the DoD Army Electronics Command.
Is there any data out there that tells us just where the main pieces wound up relative to the Titanic itself? Bow? The crumpled "rear" end? Starboard or Port side? Thanks for any information about this!
Saw this on tiktok and was skeptical, thanks for clearing that up Mike
My pleasure. Its a good feeling to chuck nonsense into the dumpster 😂
Thanks for clearing up the fake report issue.
Sending short, abbreviated commands over a narrow bandwidth system makes sense.
The original transcript seemed too verbose.
Yup it read like a movie script
I would guess that the lack of any forthcoming information is due to an abundance of lawyers.
But, will the public ever get all info and conclusions from the investigation at some point ? Will the families sue?
Hopefully in 2 years
Thanks for the real truth.
Releasing >relieving>rebounding results in sudden additional stress on the hull …as if the Titan was on a bungee.
Whereas, use of the Props spreads the forces and distributes them tangentially providing equitable Lift.
From the Hulls point of view the sudden loss of the weight’s tensioned negative gravitational Force resulted in a positive compressive Force directly above and opposite to the downward trajectory.
Doth appear that releasing those point loaded weights was a bad idea.
I think engineers should actually calculate those pressures and stresses. Though the Titan was designed to handle that weight drop. At depth pressures, weight change is far less dynamic. It wasn't going to bungee jump up. But I think you're right, the shock of a sudden increased compressive force above could be significant. But would that not create an expansive force underneath, possibly opening up an underneath flaw, cut or crack in the carbon fibre hull?
I thought the transcript sounded a bit theatrical! I am glad that they were unaware of the danger! I wonder if we will ever see the transcript and if we do that the families be notified before the public!
The coast guard has confirmed 2 days ago the “transcript” was fake. Why thy didn’t debunk it months ago beats me 🤷♂️
cheers
The titanium front porthole, at least the titanium ring didn't implode. No consistency in the state of the acrylic (glass) porthole cover.
Ref 0:37 - 0.47 => A pet peeve of mine is when a given part of some technical equipment is referred to by _*different names*_. Here, for instance in the first minute, the "aft pressure dome" is also called "the titanium hemisphere". Why not standardize on a part 'name' so as to avoid confusion for the layman? [especially annoying is when this same thing occurs in the assembly instructions for a newly purchased technical piece of equipment]
You need to standardise your terms. You talk of a piece and a part. Dont use different names. Pick one name and stick with it. Piece or part? Which one is it going to be?! 😉
Stockton Rush should be given credit for actual leadership....he didn't send someone else to pilot the titian....he lead from the front, he was the pilot and CEO.... unlike virtually all of the rest of corporate America where an employee would be sent and lost as a sacrifice to ill advised actions... Stockton Rush took the risks himself and paid for the risk taking with his life and I give him some respect for doing that..... I also think that he is ultimately responsible for everyone else in the vehicle dying and that's a pity that they are included however they took the journey knowing they are risking a lot..... condolences those who lost loved ones
The list of abbreviations would suggest they were using morse code, although the abbreviations would not correspond to maritime morse abbreviations (instance y for yes rather than c).
I thought the transcript sounded legit, but this new analysis definitely points out the several flaws. I am sure it will be a comfort to the victims' families that they didn't suffer.
I am still betting on the cause of the failure being a pinhole leak in the layer of glue that bonded the carbon fibre to the aft titanium ring. It could have caused the flanges to blow outward after the interior of the pressure vessel violently equalized and the water hammer blew the ends off.
Titan Imploded for one reason. To certify that having money does not mean having sense. It took fools to glue carbon fiber to non movable titanium. As an Engineer for 34 years, one look at their design and I said this is a death trap.