Will Electric Cars Become Main Stream? I Drive 5 EVs to Compare and Find Out.
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- čas přidán 31. 05. 2024
- A Car Mechanic Drives 5 electric cars to see if they will be main stream cars one day and how they compare.
So Will Electric Cars Become Main Stream? A question many wonder about since many governments are planning to ban gasoline engines.
I went to an event where I had an opportunity to drive multiple Electric Vehicles back to back to get a feel of how they are.
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0:00 Intro
1:06 Hyundai Ioniq 5
4:15 Chevrolet Bolt EV
8:09 Ford F150 Lightning
12:15 Volvo C40 E Charge
15:50 Subaru Solterra
17:16 Final Thoughts - Auta a dopravní prostředky
Excellent video Amd ! I trust a mechanic a lot more than a salesperson.
You can turn off the fake sounds in the F150 with a setting in the menus.
EV's are still way out of my price range. Not everyone wants tech, I'm sticking to just one car (A used 2016 Lexus GS350)
2023 Chevy bolt EV is going to be $26,000. The euv which is 3 inches larger will be $ 28,000. The upcoming Chevy equinox EV is start at $30,000.
Volkswagen id4 starts it 42,000, the base model F-150 lightning is going to be $40,000. There are some choices out there that are not $65,000 Tesla's. The problem is a lot of the cars that show up are loaded to the gills with every option and the price ends up being pretty high. That Platinum model F-150 is almost $90,000.
I think for now a lot of the manufacturers are selling mostly loaded cars because that's what people that buy EVS currently want. But as the enter the mainstream to a higher degree hopefully they'll start offering some more basic models.
It sounds like a good deal I don't need another at this time because I don't know where to park it in my apartment. I'm okay with just one car
@@kclefthanded427 Yeah both your Lexus and all these out of my price range haha. The used Nissan Leaf is a decent commuter at the lower end though.
I am looking for a lexus now lol. A old one and prices are higher than a new ev. Then again i am looking at a ls or something lol
Same. I just bought new Toyota landcruiser.. should last 25 years. EV can suck it
I really like what you said: making the EVs normal cars, for normal I mean real buttons, glove box (which BZ4X and Solterra are lacking), normal gauge cluster (again BZ4X and Solterra are lacking…the steering wheels blocked me from reading it!!!), traditional shifters (which most “normal cars” are lacking these day). I like the Ionic 5 the most out of the few EVs you drove except I need time to get used to the look. I’m driving a Sorento PHEV now getting ready to a real “plug in” life😊
I'm surprised that the Solterra portion seemed to have cut short; I was hoping to hear more from AMD about that car.
I’ll look into one in 30 years haha 😂 that should be about the time my tundra dies lol
Yep, my next Hilux will last again for 150k miles.
by that time I'm wearing my last pajama, the one made of wood :-)
Until companies can start making EVs at economy car prices (Corolla, civic, etc) they're going to be out of most average Americans price range.. with the fact that our infrastructure is just not ready and the prices you pay for these things are not offset by gas prices. It would take a lot of trip to the pump to make up 60 or $70,000 for an EV
Charging infrastructure is the deal killer. Not everyone has access to a home charger and the charging stations (not Tesla’s network) are not being repaired/maintained properly
Really enjoyed hearing your take on these, AMD!
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Love AMD! Love all his videos. So informative. Is so down-to-earth! Thank you for never leaving the Lord out of it! 😃🥰
Great work! Most reviewers simply claim to like every car.
I really looked for AMD option on BEV. Thank you AMD for this review.
Love these reviews. Can you review the Rivian R1S and R1T? Would love to see you review the larger sized EVs.
Suburu: I can see that I don't like the glossy panel between the dash and the arm rest. Blinding when the sun reflects light in your face. Hopefully they will fix that!
Great video. I love what you do. A quick point, the simulated F-150 sound can be disabled via the car settings on the center stack. I find the sound a bit fun and youthful; reminds me of Tron light cycles when I was a kid. But again, it can easily be disabled if that suits you. Keep up the great reviews!
I believe it is possible to shut down the fake engine noise.
I like you state your prefence. Fake noises can be turned off in most cars. The Volvo indeed has one-pedal driving, it's an option you can turn on in the settings. I think most EVs look and feel like normal cars. Tesla's are more tech oriented so they look as they do. Some other cars seem to go in that direction as well. However, there are maybe too many screens in all the new cars and not enough buttons in some of them. I think the Solterra looks more like a Toyota and the bz4 is a similar car to the RAV4 but with some modifications. It's almost normal except for where they placed the instrument gages and it not having a glove box.
Thanks for this video on EVs and looking forward to more of them. Like to see some on the (EVSE) home charging stations. and the pros and cons of the different brands/models. i am looking for a quiet suv hybrid and not a tesla.
I appreciate your mechanic point of view - vastly more respected than other reviewers! Thank you! Please review Audi's soon please! :)
Why not just turn the lightning propulsion sound off if you don’t like it? It’s great that they have an option.
Hello, all EVs simulate engine noise, it's required in several juristictions. It is to let the pedestrians, and particularly the visually impaired, know that there is a vehicle around. :) I have a bolt EUV and my daughter says that the engine noise sounds like a spaceship. I wouldn't have it any other way.
I really enjoy your videos, and embrace futuristic designs.
My 2016 Prius is still "new", it only has 24,000 miles. I can't even begin to think about buying an EV. They need to come down in price, though. Besides, I don't have anyplace to charge.
For most people the "Ok" charging network isn't a big deal, since charging at home will probably be enough for 90% of EV owners.
The problem I have beside the high prices, there is a lot of break through battery technology coming down the pipe line real soon which allows faster charging, a lot more range and are a lot more safe (aka no fires) then currently batteries. So if you where to buy one of these over priced EV's now and the new technology comes out in the next few years, it will make your current EV take a massive deprecation hit. I will definitely buy an EV, but I personally think it will be 2 or 3 years from now.
Yup I think in 5 years EVs will be worth considering. Right now it's just not worth the premium
You could say the same thing about computer and phones (breakthroughs in technology will make your current versions take a massive depreciation hit). If you need a car right now and have the ability to charge at home and even charge using solar power and you can take advantage of tax credit(s) it's kind of a no-brainer. The battery which is the most expensive part is warrantied for 8 year or 100,000 miles. There are many reasons to expect the battery to last much longer than this if its well-maintained. If gas prices stay where they are or continue to increase the savings in gas alone can also make a big difference. That's not even factoring in the almost zero maintenance over the life of the vehicle.
I kinda like the sounds they play through the speakers on EVs. It sounds cool and it gives more feedback when accelerating. If you don't like the sound you can turn it off in most EVs.
I can't believe 2 different companies with different engineers thought that instrument cluster in the B4ZX was anything other than horrible and useless. I got to see the car today and I was baffled. Even the people at Toyota were baffled at the decision making behind this car.
I don’t know about electric cars but I do hope Toyota makes a hybrid Tacoma, that would be cool.
A hybrid will not help this old technology. The new 4 cylinder single turbo will be another night mare. A all electric is the future yes!
@@frankkeel8410 There’s plenty of Toyota hybrid vehicles that are doing just fine. Toyota makes great hybrid vehicles.
@@frankkeel8410 you apparently don't see how reality actually works
Well done!
Love the choice of the word “aggressive “, I would have chosen “ANNOYING”. 😅
Finally, a subaru that wont blow head gaskets.
On F150 You could stop the artificial engine noise if u dont like it. It isinto the menu
Granted I know the thermal management in the bolt isn’t the same as a Tesla. But waiting on the next gen bolt, but I’m glad you didn’t gut it.
Volvo C40 does have one pedal drive. Can be turned on off from menu. Mine had black carpet. Acceleration in twin motor type is like a rocket. I have had an EV for decade but this one is insane even in comparison. Does not fade off I think as instantly you are at speed limit. The best is assisted driving. From following to full stop and start. Keeps the centre of the line and reads road signs for speed limit. I can lock it using remote. Short - it is better than model Y with amazing display where it is supposed to be. Not a gaming console on wheels. Charges at 152KWt when preconditioned up until 60% or so. Sad that US so protectionist it has price disadvantage vs teslas but I think better car and better quality.
I’ve read that the range with the f150 under towing conditions drops to under 100 miles.
Exactly, how far can I tow my Airstream camper with an EV?
i mean its a really simple formula, pull twice as much weight, half the range. doesnt work like that for a gas engine for various reasons, but thats how electric trucks work
I won’t make a blanket statement like a lot of the statements here. The EV infrastructure has improved on the East Coast about 10,000 percent. Due to the population density you can understand why they want everybody on EVs and Hybrids. For example in the Northern Va. Maryland corridor. Rental properties now have to provide charging capabilities. I personally love being able to charge at home. For us old school folks they are even doing EV conversations for our Pony Cars.
Excellent
A car designed to be electric from the ground up - like the Ioniq 5 - can take advantage of added passenger space and comfort that’s simply not possible with EVs based on ICE platforms. Granted, not straying too far from the familiar feel of a “regular car” is good marketing strategy. But the underlying engineering demands radical re-thinking.
My question? Do EV have 16 pin Diagnostic port for troubleshooting?
I have multiple urban clients who had to build diesel generators to charger their EV buses because the infrastructure didn’t have the capacity in the area they keep their buses. Too funny!
18:13 ... Advancement? Perhaps. Ever tighter control?
I am curious about the 2 sport performance EVs that Honda teased
Ahmed,how is your new car treating you so far?
Please do a detailed review on the 2022 Hybrid Ford Escape. How durable the Hybrid system is as well as the complete drive train. Can the car make it to 300k like the rav 4 Hybrid
its a ford, dont count on it
At 12:30 when says Volvos are “interesting” look at that side eye
Why haven't you reviewed the Subaru forester the best selling and most popular model ? Subaru seems to get ignored by the mainstream media for some reason ? Like your new channel beyond just Toyota Lexus very popular as people are hungry for reliable honest car reviews!
Sorry I disagree with that I would say keep the inside the same but if you completely redesign the body you will get more space inside and better storage and handling from the car
I crashed the first time I drove my EV in the rain, went back to my Lexus and I’m good
Most simulated sounds from EV’s is for pedestrians. My Etron sound turns off past 31 mph.
The only problem with the F150 is that it’s still a FORD (junk)
Can you do a video on the new Nissan Titan and whether you think the way it's built right now will equate to reliability with minimal to no issues for up to 300,000 miles?
nissan trucks are the best thing nissan does. never buy a nissan car, but the trucks are usually solid
I leased my 2021 Bolt Premier for $289 a month. Gas and maintenance savings almost pay for that. Too bad it's being discontinued.
Why are the dashboards. all virtual🤦♀️
As a computer engineer I would like less tech in cars.
AMD, Did you worry about getting a shock while driving an electric car in the rain? 😉
I live in the UK and drive a lexus hybrid rc300h wich is best for me right now but I think 5 to 10 years from now I'll get an EV.
Since you did this, the Inflation Reduction Act has opened up thousands of chargers all across the country, and thousands more are being installed. As of Spring 2024, ALL Tesla charers will open up to non Tesla owners, which will makea BIG difference in cross country charging. I have a 2022 Chevy Bolt EUV, and LOVE it !!
Fuck Joe Biden. 1000s of EV stations are planned. Not 1 has been built as of today 5/15/2024. The guy doesn't even take a shit without Jill wiping his ass. Stay informed my friend
For now, it can only serve as a second car for commuting from home within a short radius.
You can easily take a cross country road trip in any of these except for perhaps the bolt EV.
It has the range to do it ,but it's the slowest charging car you can buy. you're going to spend a hell of a lot of time sitting at a charger. You could accomplish the road trip but it's going to simply take a lot more time.
Take a look at "out of spec motoring" on CZcams he's got multiple cross country road trips in Tesla's as well as many non Tesla ccs cars. He's got two cannonball run world records from New York to LA one in his personal Tesla the other in a Porsche which is a ccs car charging on Electrify america. They went across the United States in 44 hours including the charging time.
The ionic 5 could probably make the crossing in the same time. It has similar charging curves to that Porsche.
@@kens97sto171
Cross *county* but not *country* (unless you are living in Monaco, Gibraltar or a country of similar size), though :-)
@@standoutpunching2936
Sorry but you're just absolutely incorrect..
Take a look at Auto spec motoring CZcams channel he's got numerous cross-country trips both in Tesla's and ccs cars. He's got two cannonball run World records East Coast to West Coast one in a Tesla one and a Porsche which is a CCS car using Electrify America. He went from New York City to Los Angeles in 44 hours including the charging time. He's got several multi-thousand mile road trips in Volkswagen id4. As well as Hyundai ionic and ev6.
You can use the app called a better route planner pick the car that you are going to use put in whatever other details there are. Starting point and ending point and it'll give you a route show you the charging points how long you'll be there etc. It's really not that difficult. Tesla makes it the easiest with their built-in in car navigation and charging routine. But it's easy enough to do and pretty much any car. You could even cross country road trip in the lowly Chevrolet bolt EV. You going to spend a shit ton of time at the charger in that car but it can still do a cross country road trip.
@@kens97sto171
Based on your logic, a cross country trip may be done by a donkey cart, by bicycle or even on foot.
It will just take a while longer :-)
My two houses are around 500 miles (50% through mountain roads) apart.
In my Hilux I don't even have to stop at any pump, in my Corolla it's a one time 10 minutes stop, one the HD as well as the Kwaki I have to stop twice for gas.
Starting at around 9 pm I'm reaching my other home right at breakfast time.
Nuff said...
@@standoutpunching2936
Based on your logic everyone in the country should make their car decision based upon the fact that you have to drive over a mountain 500 miles. That's not everyone's situation is it?
No it's not.
I have a pretty regular 1500 mile Drive from West Texas to the midwest. That's a 24-hour Drive in a gas car. Driving a Tesla adds 3 hours to that 24-hour Drive. Driving my gas car adds about an hour and a half to that 24-hour Drive.
Takes me about 5 fuel stops for that trip. I tend to drive for about 300 miles then stop and refuel, and repeat.
You going to stop for at least 10 minutes probably 15min at each of those fuel stops to pee get a drink maybe eat something.
Just because an electric car doesn't work for you doesn't mean it won't work for other people in different situations.
Open your mind a little bit and think outside of your own situation.
I live in Texas it's a hell of a big state. There would be no issue at all getting across Texas or anywhere else that I've ever been. In an electric vehicle. I don't own one myself yet mostly because of the cost of purchase and availability. Also there really aren't any electric cars that quite fit my needs at a price that I'm willing to pay. So for now I'm going to continue to drive my Toyota hybrid, much like your Corolla I CAN go about 500 miles on a 12 gallon tank of fuel.
And it's paid for. And it's got 404,000 miles on it and still gives me nearly 50 MPG in the city. And about 40 MPG running at 85 mph.
Interesting how things have moved on in nine months especially after Elon's price cuts. Kia Niro hybrid or EV ? There now isn't much price difference between used ones.
p.s. the cars I am really interested in are the Corolla Cross or the 2024 C-HR but there is no definite news that either will come to the U.K. (although the first gen C-HR is such a big seller here I will be surprised if we don't get that).
I know someone who owns a Tesla Model 3 and they still own a gas car just for the long trips. However they really love the Tesla. I drove the Model 3 and it's drives fantastic, a bit different at first but easy to get used to.
My brother has one. Over a 1000 dollars to repair a turn signal. Over all he is pleased.
I am thinking about removing all ICE components from my 2017 Prius prime, becouse it's essentially an EV with hybrid help. I would think that's it's a mater of bypassing the ICE and staying in EV mode. The amount of weight would lesson the load and the battery could be increased. Your thoughts would be most appreciated.
Your family time is #1, glad you are giving them the weekend.
doubt you can with the way they're designed. a lot of the time the electric motor is inside the transmission of a hybrid, so you'd have to find something to put the electric motors in IF you knew it'd work without everything from the engine hooked up
Do a video on bz4x
Nice video. The two main reasons however that I have no intention on buying an EV anytime soon, is that A) They are usually loaded with many options at the dealerships making them unobtainable even with "tax credits". B) Where is the robust charging network nationwide to make driving long distances feasible. Only Tesla had the common sense to create their own nationwide network, not putting the cart before the horse like all other EV manufacturers. It is unfortunately quite clear however that our government and car manufacturers are going to force the public into EVs even if they can't afford them and the charging network does not exist. A collaboration between all EV manufacturers and the federal government to create a robust nationwide EV charging network needs to be done immediately to justify the fast-approaching EV vehicle forced switch to the public. Unfortunately, I'm afraid that needed cooperation will never happen.
I agree with you the infrastructure is not there yet. Even as someone who lives in CA, we see charging stations but I don't know if the power grid can handle it. I think PHEVs are the way to go for the foreseeable future. EVs are the future but its difficult to know how far in the future.
If you're like me and like unique, spaceship-type designs check out Aptera.
How come you did not get to drive the electric toyota?
What a strange question, in norway there are 80% ev marketshare. Less than 8% fossil only cars.
When you export as much oil, and have as much Hydroelectricity as Norway you can afford to subsidise EVs and tax the ICE cars off the road.
@@MrDuncl evs arent subsidised in Norway, they are tax free. Fossil cars have taxes on them. So no subsidising in norway on evs. Many other countries gives you money to buy evs. A tesla costs around the same in norway as in the us.
@@idarborlaug How much is the tax on ICE cars? The 2001 2.2L car I had was literally priced off the road here in the U.K. Had I kept it the tax would have been £395 a year (which was more than the car was worth) compared to £0 for something like a Nissan Leaf.
@@MrDuncl around 90-100% depending on emissions.
I agree , let the cars be cars not a 4 wheel iphone. BTW it would be interesting to know how much modern cares learn or know about us . Big Brother has moved into our car , Things like the E call , Is it listing to our conversations? Can the dealership see if we are good or bad drivers and refuse warranty?
That can be the case with ICE cars. Murderer Terence Whall was caught by the information being sent out by his Range Rover despite torching the vehicle .
Waiting for Toyota and Lexus BEVs. I can wait until 2026 and beyond.
Quality matters.
@@chezzyperson3339The three are not compelling enough for me to move over to BEV. Only the RZ has 4DIRECT and even that isn't torque vectoring.
The other two do have brake based torque vectoring.
Just the wait times for them are asinine.
Batteries are also evolving quite fast. For the three, Toyota Canada still offering only 8 vs 10 years in Europe.
I think 2025/26 is when 1/3 of the promised models come out and become more available.
Unfotunately, Toyota pulled their EVs from the market with a serious recall where the front tires had a potential to come off the car in hard acceleration and particular driving dynamics. This was back in June and there is still no fix to the issue. This affects the Solterra and the Lexus RZ, both are delayed in production.
Are you wearing leather jacket in July? 😃
EVs are super popular here in Los Angeles and throughout Southern California 🤙🏽
Good place to buy A ice vehicle! They are all brain washed on the west coast.
Count me as an outlier as I do not want just a normal car with an electric motor in it. That is why I bought a Tesla Model Y, because it was built from the ground up as an electric vehicle. Yes it looks strange and the interior is very minimalist, but I like that. If vehicle propulsion is going through a paradigm shift, then I want just a little bit of that to include vehicle design too.
short answer: no
long answer: hell no
Think Plug-In Hybrids should be the future, not these EVs.. Real world driving will always require gas.
EV’s just don’t make sense right now especially with today’s infrastructure and battery technology
The infrastructure is mostly in place you can pretty easily take a road trip from New York to LA. However there are some orderly East West routes across Wyoming that are completely empty at least for CCS cars. Tesla has that area covered already.
The ionic he drove is capable of over 300 miles of range and you can recharge to 80% in 18 minutes. Easily do a road trip across country in that car.
Sounds like we need some sensible policy solutions to continue driving adoption then
That's what people said about gas cars too, when they were transitioning from horse carriages.
what happens if one runs out of charge in the middle of nowhere?
you're shafted, and need to find someone with a charger or really serious tow truck
The same thing if you run out of gas in the middle of nowhere. Or if your battery in your gas car fails in the middle of nowhere.
@@vulpixelful I know that. Pretty much tow is the only option. With gas powered, can always use a gallon jug to fuel.
The infrastructure for electric is so far off. The industry and government is putting the cart before the horse. I will not be a customer for one.
The govt. should not be in the EV infrastructure. The govt. did not build the gas service stations. And not tax breaks for the EV cars either. Heck, that what made Elon rich, giving tax breaks to the wealthy to buy his EVs and California putting in a lot of tax breaks on the same EVs. Then Mr. Greedy moved to Texas so he would not have to pay any California taxes. The govt. can and should put up standards for the EVs stations and vehicles. but not buy them for anyone. The poor Joe six-pack making the govt. minimum wage can not afford to feed his family, letting along buy an EV when all the gas vehicles are banned.
Do you remember a couple of years after 9/11 when the whole electric grid went dead in the northeastern part of the United States ? Enough said .
That Subaru is a Toyota in sheep's clothing and ought to be put out to pasture!
I wish my Toyota lane keep assist was far more aggressive
I will not buy one because of the cost, range anxiety due to lack of infrastructure and charging wait time. Also the battery only lasts for 1o years at the most. It's way too much money for a car with a limited shelf life.
Sticking with my 16 year old Toyota Matrix. Lasts way longer than any EV, and never have any stupid car payments. Don't like all the distracting electronics of new electric cars, and frankly all new cars. It's just absolutely ridiculous. Our society with new drivers is crooked with this. All of these gen Z kids looking at their touch screens while on the road. I see it EVERYDAY. I like how I drive an older car, and what do I have? Just a radio, and nothing else! I don't need all that crap. More importantly, let's talk about safety. People that call Tesla's the world's safest cars are fools, because old Elon is making them go 200 mph, and you know if regular consumers have more access to this that they won't be able to handle the speed, & people are gonna get killed. Unless you're a formula 1 driver, I don't think that everybody should be driving cars that can go dangerously fast. My car can only go max 130 mph. And that's all I need. I'm not interested in going 200 mph & killing myself. But, Elon is being crooked & making cars where lots of consumers have access to this. Reliability problems, poorly built parts, crappy body integrity. Think about that for a second. Do you really want to be going 200 mph in a poorly built car? I certainly wouldn't. Nobody ever thinks of this stuff, & they should
@@AuchDeLieberNoch oh yeah you’re right. Yes, it would be a problem. So many ramifications that nobody thinks of
Still out of my price range
Solid state batteries will make ev mainstream but they ain't coming until late 2020s. However, ev are just a destraction, hydrogen power is the real future
Isn’t Volvo a Chinese company now ?
It's a Swedish company with a Chinese parent company. The Swedish company was expanded under ZGH (Geely Holding) and the engineering, design, product management is done by the same Volvo as always. Basically Geely Holdings oversees the financing and some Volvo technology can appear in other Geely Holding brands. Volvos are constructed in plants in Sweden, Belgium, China and the USA. This particular car, if it is for the US market, was constructed in Belgium.
Not anytime soon. I know alot of EV fans will beg to differ but there are many reasons why it wont be mainstream or say 70% of EV on the road. Let me list a few factors of why EV wont be in every house hold anytime soon.
1. EV is still very expansive. Yes the Tesla aint cheap no matter what trim or model you get. The cheapest one brand new is around $40k and that is if you special request it. Not many people know about that. And other EV besides Tesla are still expansive which is also around $40k and higher. You wont find an EV that is under $30 k any where. Majority of the U.S average income is 35k a year.
2. Learning curve. You probably dont believe this but owning an EV is somewhat a high learning for most people. Not only are the technology and gadgets need some learning to do, the basic charging the car and start and brakes can be confusing. I mean you can start a car using your smart phone? What? Some people didnt know that you dont even need to step on the brake to stop in a Tesla. My mom still doesnt know how a push button start work on a regular car.
3. The most important one to me is the infastructure and convenients. I live in California so having EV stations especially Tesla is easy to find but try driving to Idaho or Iowa or heck even rural area of California, you have to pray that your battery last before u might get stuck in the middle of no where. Also many rent and dont own a home with a garage. You think some apartment complex willing to see a bunch of charging wires hanging out from a window or even a car port just so they can charge their EV over night? And if you want to charge your EV at a station, get ready to spend 40 min or a couple of hours to fully charge.
So with those three major factor, I dont believe EV will be a mainstream and become the majority transportation. Remember back in 2005 when they said hybrid cars will be the majority? Its 2022 and does everyone have a hybrid?
I totally agree that if companies make EV more user friendly and make them look like normal cars, more people will get them. But the two biggest setback and why I keep on arguing with EV fanboys are infastructure and affordability.
Don't forget weather. States that deal with flooding, for example, would be no bueno for EV's.
epicwolf comment. Thumbs up.
Not seeing how electric cars are an advancement. Limited range, and they have to be plugged in at regular intervals. At best, very inconvenient. Going to a charging station and sitting there for 20-40 minutes? Absurd. Waiting even further behind a line of other chargers? Insane. Not an advance. A regression. Having to plug my car in instead of just walking inside? A regression. Taxing the already fragile electric grid? A regression. Bad air conditioning that turns off when idling? A regression. Batteries that eventually won’t take a charge and cost as much as 1/2 the price of the car? A regression. These cars would not exist without irrational government involvement and confiscatory taxation. Not an advance. A regression.
No ev for me.
I do not think the current EV battery will be the battery of the future...we will have to trash the environment to di up all the minerals to make them. I am hoping the solid state battery we come to market.
Toyota still has hopes for Hydrogen.
So... the problem with EVs is obviously the range and time to charge, however you also have to take into account that the charging infrastructure is non-existent. 70-80% of the charging stations I see have "Unavailable" written on it or a yellow tape around it. But if I were to settle down and maybe do 50-100 miles of driving per day then yeah, the EVs would become a good choice.
How is the infrastructure non-existent. Every EA charger I see across Texas is fully functional. I watch plenty of CZcams channels where people road trip all over the country. Most of the time they don't have any problems at all. Range on most new electric vehicles is between 250 and 300 miles.
Tesla certainly has the infrastructure built out better than anybody else. That Electrify America is catching up pretty quickly. I do get a bit concerned that they will not keep up on the maintenance of those chargers. Right now it's a giant money pit for them because they don't really have enough cars using them to make it financially viable. They built those chargers in lieu of paying a giant fine for diesel gate.
@@kens97sto171 Bro, I literally just came from the austin airport a hour ago where the electric charger in the cell phone lot had “Unavailable” written on it. Plus I do delivery for amazon and I see various places where the chargers are unavailable, is taped off, or has a cone in the charging spot. Plus range of 250-300 miles doesn’t really seem good considering I do 400 miles round trip to my college and back where my camry can go 600 miles in a full tank.
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I agree, I did my homework and the infrastructure is not there to match the range of these vehicles in much of the US and all of Canada.
I await the arrival of my Rav 4 Hybrid SE......long wait 😔
EV is not for most of Americans who often drive to very long distance and area without good charger network. It will be still limited as another car in the garage, not the only car for any family. It may takes a while and the concept of Green and environmental friendly for city populations is complete BS. If it is EV buses, yes it is good, but not the concept of personal cars in city is just stupid. Sharing cars or public transport is a greener solution than moving to EV.
I have multiple urban clients who had to build diesel generators to charger their EV buses because the infrastructure didn’t have the capacity in the area they keep their buses. Too funny!
@@ozarkliving7263 EV is a good thing but not for everyone. I believe hybrid still the best solution for large countries like USA or rural europe. 40% range drop in winter from the lack of free heat from engine is a joke for nothern countries like Canada or Russia. EV is good for urban only.
No thanks.
With everything taken into account I wish this electric vehicle stuff would stop. The grid can't handle it. They are awful for the environment (excess tire wear, manufacture, shipping, still require coal to charge, unrecyclable). Not to mention their abysmal towing ability and charge speed. If we just stopped choking out gas and deisel engines we could actually innovate and get more milage out of the modern combustion engine. I think there is some promise down the road for hybridization when battery technology advances, but as it stands, EVs are an expensive joke.
Call me crazy, but with all the shortages and impending war between Taiwan and China, we need to be making cars with less of this delicate technology. We're just asking for trouble.
Let's not forget to mention repairability for the end user. The further away we get from mechanical vehicles and further into software, we will hit a point of no return where vehicle problems will require towing them into a shop for every little issue. I'm sorry but I just don't see this really being the future, it might be part of the future, but I can't see everyone wanting to adopt this technology. No one wants their daily driver to be a paper weight due to a software glitch. I won't be giving up my internal combustion engine if I have any choice in the matter.
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Modern combustion cars have just as much software, far more sensors required for both emissions requirements and fuel economy requirements. And those sensors can put you on the side of the road also. Evie's complicate things in some ways and simplify them in others. Power train is vastly less complex. Less cooling system requirements. Certainly more software in some ways but less in others. Some manufacturers do make repairability something you can do. Particularly the Chevy products at least for now are pretty easy to work on. Weber automotive on CZcams runs a hybrid vehicle and electric vehicle automotive technical college. Take a look at some of his videos if you're interested in mechanical stuff. He's got a full disassembly of a Chevrolet bolt EV both the battery pack as well as the complete powertrain and cooling systems. And Chevrolet unlike Tesla will sell you parts that you can install. Have an inverter fail bolted right on the top under the engine bay. 4 bolts and some electrical connectors and you could have it replaced.
All I can say is I like ice-powered cars also and for now they are cheaper and more repairable by the average guy with basic hand tools. But if I was to go out and buy a brand new 2023 gas powered car you could find it just as difficult to repair yourself with a basic scan tool and some wrenches as any electric vehicle is. I think that will be the thing that drives people away from combustion. As the government makes things more and more complicated combustion cars are going to become less and less reliable and more and more expensive to keep on the road and repaired. At that point electric vehicles are going to seem extremely attractive. Many of these cars have no scheduled maintenance for 150,000 MILES, you just need to add washer fluid and put windshield wipers on it when they wear out and tires.
Go take one for a spin sometime and see if you like it. Tesla has lots of showrooms you can take one out for a spin for a 30 minute test drive. I don't personally like Tesla's that much because they're the exact opposite of what we're discussing here repairability is something they somewhat prevent you from doing. But their drivetrain and battery technology is probably the best that there is.
Take a look at Monroe and Associates on CZcams. They have some disassembly videos of Tesla's across different generations. Under the hood it is elegantly and simply designed and manufactured. Maybe not the best for repairability but it certainly is very neat and tidy under the skin.
I think the future is going to be a mix of a lot of different technologies for a while.
Anytime new technologies begin to come along there's always a transition period That's complex and painful. People use horse and carriages in big cities. And within 10 years they were mostly gone.
Don't like the fact that the government subsidizes EVS particularly in the way that they do it. You've got to be wealthy enough to take advantage of the tax rebate. To me if they really wanted to incentivize EV adoption it should have been cash on the hood for all the people who might want to buy one. Not a tax credit that's only available to people that have enough tax liability to take advantage of it.
There are more gmc and chevys then f150 good try
Thanks for such a thorough review. It's good to see what is out and available now - even if it is just getting started. I did have to take away my like, when I heard your 'blessing' at the end. We come here for insights on cars, NOT to mix religion into these reviews. Hope you will leave future blessings OUT in the future.
Wow. With all the evil BS going on in the world today, this is what your complaining about. Geez. May Allah"s peace be upon you.
Your are the fighting windmills type, huh
They are owned by Chinese company.
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But they are still Swedish designed, engineered and managed. He's correct in saying it has a Swedish feel and construction because that hasn't been touched by Geely Holding.
Don't think I'll get an EV car unless it's less than 20K.
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I’m totally into EVs. Currently driving Nissan Leaf and will never buy a ICE. Mostly driven in city and it has exceeded total miles on my Kia Sorento. I plan to upgrade to a economical vehicle like Bolt EUV and replace Kia with either pure EV or Phev. EV is a so much better than ICE. No time wasting going to Gas station and no tail pipe emission.I understand that currently there are not enough choice in market and they are supply constrained. But there will always be some price premium compared to equivalent ICE cars because of lifetime savings and benefits. Don’t understand why such affinity for ICE. It is not the future.
Because I can do a cross country road trip much faster. And for basically the same cost. Charging on road trips is pretty expensive and at this point about the same price as gasoline. But I save a ton of time on that road trip. And time is also money.
Not everybody just drives around in cities. I know that's a lot more common on the West and East Coast but there's a big wide country in between the two coasts and a lot of us drive significant distances. I could barely make it from my house into the City and back driving your Nissan leaf. I drive 300 miles a day in the city when I work. 50 of that is just getting to the city and back.
When I take a cross country road trip I want to do it as quickly as possible I don't want to spend a lot of time at a charger.
Currently the only choices would be Tesla , ionic 5, or a Porsche. Maybe the VW ID 4. Although I would not be very likely to buy a German built car. They're generally unreliable pieces of crap maybe they're EVS will be better I'm not willing to spend $40,000 to find out.
The other factor is I can buy a used ice-powered car for $5,000.
I can promise you I'm going to save far more money even with fuel and maintenance then you will spending the higher dollar amount on an EV.
I currently drive a Toyota hybrid with over 400,000 miles on it. Bought it for 1800 bucks it had 200,000 miles on it, I put an additional 200,000 miles on it in the last 4 years.. I've spent less than $15,000 on fuel and maintenance in that time.
The math does not work out in the favor of electric vehicles if you put a lot of miles on a car. Now if you're coming from any unreliable piece of crap like a BMW then EVS are going to seem very reliable and far lower maintenance. But if you came from a reliable car like a Toyota Camry Hybrid you're not saving as much as you think. Don't get me wrong I love electric vehicles. And I want my next car to be an electric vehicle mostly because I do my own maintenance and I'm getting tired of climbing under the car to do an oil change every 5 weeks. But it's not necessarily the best financial choice unless you were going to spend that amount on a car regardless of what it was.
You lost me at Bolt and not talking about Teslas. I have owned a about of dozen Lexuses and BMWs over the last 20+ years. I have switched over to multiple Teslas for over three years now. Once you experience the worry-free charging, driving and ownership of a Tesla, it’s almost impossible to go back to gas cars. Case in point, last week, I drove my friend’s 2022 RX 350. I had a 2018 RX 350. Literally the same car! I couldn’t wait to get back to my Teslas. I do like Rivian, so I ordered one.
chevy... is always a bad thing