I wonder if Russian cosmanauts and American astronauts on ISS orbiting space station are having similar discussion with current crisis. I like Roy Scheider's character, I feel the same "just because our Governments are behaving like asses does not mean we have to". Well said.
The general mentality of Astronauts and Cosmonauts I've spoken too is that _"Politics can't breathe in a vacuum."_ meaning that, everyone involved understands that Space is hostile, it does not cooperate. It is in actually constantly trying to kill you and shows no mercy. Meaning given the tight time tables, critical decisions and series of events that must happen at times, in the right order, and on the right moment, to the second if need be. What we consider simple things that we don't think about, that we almost can do in our sleep, such as putting on clothes to go outside, or even getting ready to go to work, in space, is a thought intensive, sometimes time intensive experience, and must be done correctly, the first time. Like I said, Space doesn't cooperate, has no mercy and is trying to kill you every chance you give it. You accidentally don't seal your helmet or cross thread the neck gasket, you die. There is no room in people's brains for politics or anything else that isn't "On mission" and that they will all work as a team until they touch down, it doesn't matter where they are from, what color they are, or what their "status" is. Everyone knows they are all collectively hanging their asses over the edge and are hoping nothing jumps up to bite them in the butt. Once they are on solid ground and go back to their countries, they have the luxury of being political if desired. But in space, it's all noise that is generally tuned out. You'd be surprised how people become very humanitarian and concerned for their fellow man, when they are collectively thrown into a survival situation, and going into space is exactly that. It's no Sunday drive or popping out to the corner store to go get the milk. We are not nearly even remotely that comfortable with it yet.
Greed vs math. Mostly all heads of governments are rich or gotten rich by selling out. The scientific community speaks and share math. Math doesn't lie, politicians do Math been here a long time and continue to be around, politicians won't . So math is superior and overcead orders by A holes.
@@YESTERDAYMANSCIFI It seems to me that, after watching the men and women aboard Station, that they're concerned about one Mission; working together in an unforgiving environment, learning more about that environment, and supporting each other in the name of Science and Knowledge, and hopefully benefiting the people of the Earth. Oh, and making sure there's enough Barter goods aboard; American Shrimp Cocktail, Russian Cottage Cheese, and Japanese SpaceRamen! 🖖😄😄🍜🍤🧀
This is by far my absolute favorite sci-fi film. it's perfect. And the tension in this scene is so frightening. ....is it moving? Great cinematography and acting
Same here. I usually watch it a couple of times a year. This scene and the scene where HAL tells Floyd about the message of unknown origin are amazing.
Based on the opening scene, it seems the Russians were going to Jupiter with or without American cooperation. Why have that attitude if they acknowledge the Discovery is United States territory?
Because the USSR wasn't fully in agreement that it was US territory, and USA and the USSR negotiated a deal where both sides made concessions, among these were the Russians acknowledging the American claim to the Discovery. The initial stance of the USSR was that the ship was derelict and could be considered unowned and free for salvage. They debated this issue with the USA before the mission, and eventually it was agreed that it was best to humor the Americans and accept it as US territory, in exchange USA sent crewmembers who knew the Discovery and could potentially repair and reactivate it, instead of the Russians stumbling about trying to fix things they didn't have complete knowledge of, like the HAL 9000 computer especially. USSR and the USA reached this agreement during a period of relative calm between them, but during the mission tensions flared and they were swiftly approaching all out war, so what started as a political agreement of convenience and cooperation turned into another potential avenue of conflict and the Russians started to revert to their attitude from before the deal was struck, that this was a derelict and free for salvage and the Americans should praise themselves lucky that the Russians even offered them the chance to come along. TL:DR The Russians did in fact not acknowledge it as US territory, they just ended up negotiating a deal where they agreed it was US territory in exchange for concessions from the Americans.
I wonder if Russian cosmanauts and American astronauts on ISS orbiting space station are having similar discussion with current crisis. I like Roy Scheider's character, I feel the same "just because our Governments are behaving like asses does not mean we have to". Well said.
This was the very reason I posted it
The general mentality of Astronauts and Cosmonauts I've spoken too is that _"Politics can't breathe in a vacuum."_ meaning that, everyone involved understands that Space is hostile, it does not cooperate. It is in actually constantly trying to kill you and shows no mercy. Meaning given the tight time tables, critical decisions and series of events that must happen at times, in the right order, and on the right moment, to the second if need be. What we consider simple things that we don't think about, that we almost can do in our sleep, such as putting on clothes to go outside, or even getting ready to go to work, in space, is a thought intensive, sometimes time intensive experience, and must be done correctly, the first time. Like I said, Space doesn't cooperate, has no mercy and is trying to kill you every chance you give it. You accidentally don't seal your helmet or cross thread the neck gasket, you die. There is no room in people's brains for politics or anything else that isn't "On mission" and that they will all work as a team until they touch down, it doesn't matter where they are from, what color they are, or what their "status" is. Everyone knows they are all collectively hanging their asses over the edge and are hoping nothing jumps up to bite them in the butt. Once they are on solid ground and go back to their countries, they have the luxury of being political if desired. But in space, it's all noise that is generally tuned out.
You'd be surprised how people become very humanitarian and concerned for their fellow man, when they are collectively thrown into a survival situation, and going into space is exactly that. It's no Sunday drive or popping out to the corner store to go get the milk. We are not nearly even remotely that comfortable with it yet.
Greed vs math. Mostly all heads of governments are rich or gotten rich by selling out. The scientific community speaks and share math. Math doesn't lie, politicians do Math been here a long time and continue to be around, politicians won't . So math is superior and overcead orders by A holes.
@@YESTERDAYMANSCIFI It seems to me that, after watching the men and women aboard Station, that they're concerned about one Mission; working together in an unforgiving environment, learning more about that environment, and supporting each other in the name of Science and Knowledge, and hopefully benefiting the people of the Earth.
Oh, and making sure there's enough Barter goods aboard; American Shrimp Cocktail, Russian Cottage Cheese, and Japanese SpaceRamen! 🖖😄😄🍜🍤🧀
2:17 “dont worry, im just observing!”
This is by far my absolute favorite sci-fi film. it's perfect. And the tension in this scene is so frightening. ....is it moving?
Great cinematography and acting
I thank God you posted this, it is one of my favorite movies
You're welcome I love this movie too
Same here. I usually watch it a couple of times a year. This scene and the scene where HAL tells Floyd about the message of unknown origin are amazing.
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"Chlorophyll.... Jesus!"
-Dr. Haywood Floyd.
I can hardly believe that’s Helen Mirren.
It is carrect.
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Thank you.
Based on the opening scene, it seems the Russians were going to Jupiter with or without American cooperation. Why have that attitude if they acknowledge the Discovery is United States territory?
Because the USSR wasn't fully in agreement that it was US territory, and USA and the USSR negotiated a deal where both sides made concessions, among these were the Russians acknowledging the American claim to the Discovery. The initial stance of the USSR was that the ship was derelict and could be considered unowned and free for salvage. They debated this issue with the USA before the mission, and eventually it was agreed that it was best to humor the Americans and accept it as US territory, in exchange USA sent crewmembers who knew the Discovery and could potentially repair and reactivate it, instead of the Russians stumbling about trying to fix things they didn't have complete knowledge of, like the HAL 9000 computer especially.
USSR and the USA reached this agreement during a period of relative calm between them, but during the mission tensions flared and they were swiftly approaching all out war, so what started as a political agreement of convenience and cooperation turned into another potential avenue of conflict and the Russians started to revert to their attitude from before the deal was struck, that this was a derelict and free for salvage and the Americans should praise themselves lucky that the Russians even offered them the chance to come along.
TL:DR The Russians did in fact not acknowledge it as US territory, they just ended up negotiating a deal where they agreed it was US territory in exchange for concessions from the Americans.
Ya can’t hide the fact mirren is pretty.
seems like a Alien 1979 😅
Studios reuse the same scenarios with many other movies Just to cut expenses
@@Julio4394 The Oval Office in The American President, Independence Day and The West Wing.