@@warrenpierce55422001 is as much Clarke’s film as it is Kubrick’s. The director drew from six of Clarke’s short stories and they both co-wrote the screenplay after all.
Jason Armstrong Well Kier does look alittle bit older, and the suit replica doesnt help either, the legs are not the same solid-full shape like the original suit, but he still looked really good.
Roy Scheider conveys so much with just his facial expressions. Obviously everyone knows who he is mostly bc of Jaws, but he's an extremely underrated actor.
The part where HAL says, "Look behind you." You can see in his face how much he doesn't really want that proof after all. This is one of my favorite scene in any movie I've ever seen. Right after the part where Floyd is working on a lap-top computer on the beach. It's meant to look futuristic. It is, after all meant to be the year 2010. A date that was still 26 years into the future when this movie was made. When 2010 rolled around for real, computers were so much more advanced. Oh, also, he has to go into his office to look at some data on his work computer. No internet mentioned. Also, the USSR also didn't exist by 2010. Of course no one saw that coming outside Soviet leadership.
@@SeanHenderson wow! I’ve never heard of this condition where ones blood instantly freezes & you still survive the event to explain the experience. Do tell.
Whenever I heard that "My God, its full of Stars!", I was instantly caught between a curiousness and horror at just what it was he saw. Still wondering to this day.
I remember watching this in 1984, thinking how futuristic 2010 sounded. I couldn’t imagine what we would be doing. Now it is already 11 years behind us. How time flies. Anyone else disappointed? LOL
@@loiu657 The same concept was presented in the original 10x better movie, and it also was the biggest part of that movie. The timeline of life as most currently "believe" is birth, middle-age, and old age. But there is no birth stage in either of these movies. Continuum.
@@pointzerotwothat’s not a message of the film. Thats you associating your opinion with the film. It’s literally inter dimensional beings or aliens that gifted him the abilities he has…
Truly great cinematography. Most of time aliens are portrayed as monsters surrounded by explosions and loud technology, but where you really think about it aliens are just a different kind of people. And that first contact will be quiet, terrifying, puzzling, and joyous.
Ironic that Keir Dullea hasn't appeared to have aged a minute in this scene even though 2001 was shot about 15 years prior. Saw him in a play last fall and I shit you not, the guy looks maybe 50 at best... Nearly 80 years old and still as entertaining as he was 50 years ago. Hats off to you sir.
For me theres something very special about when I see actors return to Iconic characters when its like yrs later, especially if its done properly. Arnies return as T-800 in Terminator 3, as crap as that movie was, he looked really good, and same goes here, first time I saw Bowman return and hes standing there behind Heywood, it really is just epic. Kier Duella played the part very well too.
What a monumental, no pun intended, performance from Scheider, that look of wonderment and confusion at seeing the impossible before his very eyes, I don't know how many other actors could've pulled that off with such gravitas and depth. flawless brilliance.
@Henchman Twenty1 Actually, the replicating monoliths used Jupiter's mass to replicate. While doing so they compressed it enough until the tipping point was reached and fission began occurring in its core.
@@michaelclark9762 Fusion, not fission. Hydrogen merging to form helium (the process that powers stars that are not late in their life stages) is fusion. Fission is when atomic nuclei decay into other elements by emissions of other particles and photons.
So well performed, yet very freaky! Man, to older man, back to man, to extremely old man,back to man, to baby in... womb? What a great way making this indescribable as any contact to an alien would be.
Does anyone else think it's amazing (and kind of creepy) that Keir Dullea (the guy in the red spacesuit) looks like he hasn't aged a day? The original 2001 movie came out in 1968.
Met him once in San Francisco in 1991 and asked him if those were outtakes from 2001 he looked so young still/ He said no they were new shots for the 2010 film.
It would of been baffling if Kubrick had directed it, the good thing about this one is some stuff is explained, the good thing about Kubrick's is nothing is
Indeed they were bigger, but i also noticed they went really cheap on the corridor design too, the 2001 corridor is unforgettable, here it looks like cardboard/plastic.
It would be interesting if this was remade with 2022 technology. Peter Hyams was limited by technology of 1984 unfortunately. For example, he had to delete the entire Tsien chapter 3 (which was compacted into the probe launch from Leonov). Also, specific to this scene, the book details how Bowman's age changed in real time, not just cut-away scenes. But overall the film was outstanding.
He was basically showing him what would happen by shifting. It's to represent that he's projecting himself in some way from the 4th dimension. You can be at any place, at any time, any age, any direction, speed, etc etc. You could also be everywhere at different times. Him shifting is revealing that knowledge, But a 3 Dimensional being will have more questions than answers, and won't fundamentally understand what's going on. They nailed this scene perfectly for the time period. Especially on what it would be like for a 4D being trying to explain or show 4D capabilities to a 3D being. As well as there being a communication barrier. "He can't tell him" because it's knowledge that can't be put into words or any physical 3D form of communication. "Something wonderful" being the only description because you have to feel it and become it. Feelings, they might just be the only thing transferable between the two. If something has a consciousness, it most likely has emotion. So a 4 Dimensional being may very well be able to impose feelings onto us, and we don't even know it. Imagine there was actually a 2D Dimension on earth that had life within it. We would ultimately rule over that Dimension, they wouldn't even know we exist. You couldn't even put a flat picture down of yourself because they wouldn't be able to see over the line that the picture creates on it's edges. So just imagine for a second what kind of ability a 4D being might have over the 3rd Dimension. They basically can manipulate all forms of matter, especially protons. Therefore they could most likely manipulate chemicals, and chemicals in our brains are responsible for making us feel. Kinda went down a rabbit hole. 😂
@@tacticalmattress In our 3-dimensional manifestation, we are comprised of salt the body, sulphur the soul, and spirit the mind or consciousness. The huge truth drop in this movie was that the salt begins at fertilization, and not conception nor birth. That is why Dave Bowman existed in part of his salt timeline as a fetus.
At the end of 2001, Bowman found himself in an alien zoo, spending the rest of his life there, by my estimate, about 70 years, before dying and evolving into the star child. When I first saw 2001, I thought Bowman entered a virtual world, in which he aged and evolved over a period of decades that were in fact mere seconds. Looking at 2010, Bowman should still be in the alien zoo and fairly young, when he shows up as his evolved self here. Either time doesn’t affect him any more, or my original impression still applies. I guess it’s up to the viewer to decide.
The ones who constructed the monoliths. The books describe that they evolved from bipeds to thinking machines to beings of pure consciousness, embedded in the structure of the universe itself. They guide Bowman throughout 2010 and use him as a messenger to the humans.
Yeah I'm not really sure why he had those sporadic age changes, but I think the reason he turned into the star child at the end was maybe his way of leaving.
"But they depict him bald and aged who is in eternal youth All-powerful, and his locks nourish like the brows of morning; He is the Spirit of Prophecy, the ever-apparent Elias." -William Blake
In 2061, Bowman and HAL are inside the Europa monolith which they can operate to some extent. A mention is made of Dave *not being contacted again*. If it were the monoliths, they'd know by now since they spent decades inside one. I don't know for sure who talked to him in 2010, but I'm pretty sure it wasn't the monolith.
Bowman's fate in 2001 was given proper closure by appearing to the astronaut (Roy Scheider) who is investigating his mysterious vanishing. Bowman's transformation to a higher plain was no vain and empty occurrence. It was also proper that both HAL and Bowman instigate the climax of this movie.
No. Today we see barely any movie. We see only cash makers and we forget about them usually in 24 hours after watching them. 2001 and 2010 requires a lot of attention and brain functions of the spectator and most of spectators don't want that, just fast fun. But before 3001 there is 2061: Odyssey Three novel.
I always thought the idea was, Bowman was all of those ages simultaneously when he merged with the monolith. Certainly one of the more surreal moments of 2010.
I doubt that it was really necessary for Floyd within the context of the film as much as it was for those of us in the audience. After all, we saw Bowman age and transform into the Star Child at the end of "2001." Maybe the director and producers thought most people would be confused if Bowman only appeared as a young man and they were trying to find a way to show without exposition that Bowman is no longer entirely who and what he was before. I think this could be their way of showing that Bowman no longer exists within linear time in the way we think of it (the physicists say that time as we picture it doesn't really exist anyway) -- he is the young man, the older man, the old man, and the Star Child all at once. How else would Bowman be able to see and understand what (from Floyd's perspective) has not yet happened? He can't really answer Floyd's question -- "what's going to happen?" -- because he knows that Floyd will not be able to understand because Floyd is still limited by his concept of linear time. It's even possible that Bowman has reason to believe something will actually go wrong if he tries to explain it to Floyd -- that the only way for events to unfold in the right way is if Floyd does not know what will happen.
Bullshit. It's a worthy, low-key, intelligent science fiction film. It's no desecration to the original like, say, Jaws: The Revenge is. And hell, it's based off of Arthur C Clarke's novel, and he's just as much creator of the 2001 story as Kubrick was. So that's good enough for me.
Well read the books, you'll get your answers there. In 2010, Bowman clearly describes the aliens telepathically communicating with him and in 2061, he mentions that they disappeared.
That was my read of it as well. I think the director and the producers were trying to find a way of showing the audience without actually telling them that Bowman no longer exists within what we perceive as linear time (which the physicists insist does not exist, or at least not in the way we think of it). Bowman is his younger self, his old self, his ancient self, and the Star Child all at once. As he says, the whole thing is clear to him now but he can't really explain what's happening to Floyd (and just maybe, if he tried to explain it to him, something would go wrong and events would not unfold as they're supposed to).
Closer and clearer came another thought and for the first time he realized that more than one entity was controlling and manipulating him. He was involved in a hierarchy of intelligences, some close enough to his own primitive level to act as interpreters. *from Chapter 40 of 2010*
Having read the book a couple of years before the movie came out, I hated the movie, but it was worth watching just to see Keir Dullea for this couple of minutes.
I think it was merely derivative from the first movie, and compressed into this scene. I cannot remember if the book had that too. I only remember from Clarke's books that alien intelligences were able to evolve and exist overtime without bodies. The monolith was suppose to represent a doorway like a microchip into another dimension of existence. I think this scene as shown in Haywood Flyod's face was a mirror of an audience who could not understand the hotel sequence in the first film
2001 was the best hollywood could do for the time and the limits of FX tech. 2010 was by far the best of the two stories in my opinion, becuase Kubrick and writers could not give the story all the needed info so it left gaps that had to be answered later by readining or 2nd hand..
This is a seriously under-rated movie. The original was genius, but is a little hard for me to watch. I get bored. This one manages to give the same feel as the first, while moving the story on at a faster pace. And the story is COOL.
Your absolutly right on that one. It's humans alone thinking and making decisions, there is no God or Devils involved in human thinking. All the problems created in the world is by man and not by the devil or demons. But the teachings in Christianity is still a good way to keep people together.
Dave Bowman - or the being who WAS Dave Bowman - shows up looking much as he did in 2001, then as a very old, wizened fellow, then the fetal Starchild again. What does that represent ? They showed 3 stages of life, but omitted death & jumped ahead to what I'm assuming is rebirth ( ? ). There's got to be some symbolism there.
Its been a awhile since I saw the whole movie, but where did u get all that? I thought all this time the monoliths were were the ones who inhabited Europa
That would hardly be possible, since the individual novels are not part of the same continuity - something Clarke himself emphasized. The events in previous novels happened in later movies, but not EXACTLY like shown in the previous novel. Even the character and capabilities of the monoliths changes dramatically.
Guess he's one of the few actors / actresses who hasn't aged himself with large doses of drugs, tobacco & booze. I heard / read he's a yoga & fitness enthusiast.
2010 book makes it pretty clear that Bowman is operating under the orders of the aliens. But since every book takes place in a different parallel universe, you could be partially right.
Nothing will be as good as 2001, but 2010 is an underrated movie.
2001, Kubrick's movie, 2010, Clarke's movie.
2001 is a cinematic giant. The fact that 2010 can be appreciated even in it's shadow is a testament to the quality of the movie.
@@warrenpierce55422001 is as much Clarke’s film as it is Kubrick’s. The director drew from six of Clarke’s short stories and they both co-wrote the screenplay after all.
it's amazing how Dave's actor doesn't look a day older from the first movie even though there was over a 15 year time gap between the two movies
U should c him now. He looks good for a guy near 80
***** yeah, good point
Jason Armstrong Well Kier does look alittle bit older, and the suit replica doesnt help either, the legs are not the same solid-full shape like the original suit, but he still looked really good.
+Francozilla 2001 was filmed during 65-66 & the beginning of 67. 2010 was filmed in 83. So an 18 year gap minimum. Kier aged well.
I thought he looked noticeably older.
Really mature of you Dave. Every time we try to have a serious conversation, you pull that fetus thing.
It is kind of a dick move.
Could you set the volume a little lower - I can still hear the movie at some points.
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
Notice how it is all squished up? The aspect ration and volume have been changed to attempt to avoid a copyright strike.
In space, no one can hear you scream, or chit-chat
I can hear it perfectly.
2010 - The year we needed hearing aids.
One of the scariest, freakiest moments in cinema!
Roy Scheider conveys so much with just his facial expressions. Obviously everyone knows who he is mostly bc of Jaws, but he's an extremely underrated actor.
The part where HAL says, "Look behind you."
You can see in his face how much he doesn't really want that proof after all.
This is one of my favorite scene in any movie I've ever seen.
Right after the part where Floyd is working on a lap-top computer on the beach.
It's meant to look futuristic. It is, after all meant to be the year 2010. A date that was still 26 years into the future when this movie was made.
When 2010 rolled around for real, computers were so much more advanced.
Oh, also, he has to go into his office to look at some data on his work computer.
No internet mentioned. Also, the USSR also didn't exist by 2010. Of course no one saw that coming outside Soviet leadership.
I remember when HAL said "look behind you " I sat in the theater and my blood froze!
@@SeanHenderson wow! I’ve never heard of this condition where ones blood instantly freezes & you still survive the event to explain the experience.
Do tell.
I know him mainly from SeaQuest. :)
What do you mean “underrated”? By who? Maybe you need to find some new friends, or at least refrain from making stupid clueless comments.
Now *this* is intelligent sci-fi. One of my favorite movies.
antred11 Agreed! This sequel to 2001 is way under appreciated!
Still gives me chills when I see it. "look behind you".
Three of the most terrifying words you can ever hear.
That was an awesome scene in an underrated movie.
Whenever I heard that "My God, its full of Stars!", I was instantly caught between a curiousness and horror at just what it was he saw. Still wondering to this day.
+Joseph Franc read the book, it describes it! the 2001 one, not the 2010.
Bowman was witnessing an electrostatic buildup, a defense mechanism of the monolith, which when discharged would end Bowman's life as he knew it.
It was what lies beyond this Universe, i.e. the next step beyond life as we know it here.
I was 12 when I saw this, when HAL said “look behind you” I got goosebumps!
I still do decades later.
Me too. Still.
"Man, I am NEVER dropping acid before a space flight again."
😂😂😂
I remember watching this in 1984, thinking how futuristic 2010 sounded. I couldn’t imagine what we would be doing. Now it is already 11 years behind us. How time flies. Anyone else disappointed? LOL
Gotta admire Floyd for being able to stay calm, considering he just saw an old man turn into a glowing fetus.
Perhaps one of the biggest truth drops of all movies; life doesn't begin at birth, it begins at fertilization.
@@pointzerotwo that's a really weird thing to take away from a shitty sequel. Lol.
@@loiu657 The same concept was presented in the original 10x better movie, and it also was the biggest part of that movie. The timeline of life as most currently "believe" is birth, middle-age, and old age. But there is no birth stage in either of these movies. Continuum.
His expression at 3:23 is perfect. "Are you serious? How weird is this going to get?"
@@pointzerotwothat’s not a message of the film.
Thats you associating your opinion with the film.
It’s literally inter dimensional beings or aliens that gifted him the abilities he has…
THE CREEPIEST LINE IN MOVIE HISTORY:
"MY GOD, IT'S FULL OF STARS!!!!!!!!"
I think it is "Look behind you". Ok, do you really want to look?
LastAvailableAlias when Hal says Look behind you..holy crap..great scene..
J. Peters Still gives me chills
I think the scene where..Dr.Floyd turns around and see's Bowmans ghost is pretty creepy to...just mind blowing...
John Smith no kidding, modern horror movies could learn a thing or two about subtlety from these movies
Truly great cinematography. Most of time aliens are portrayed as monsters surrounded by explosions and loud technology, but where you really think about it aliens are just a different kind of people.
And that first contact will be quiet, terrifying, puzzling, and joyous.
Well that wasn’t an alien, it was a human more or less occupying another dimension of being.
Ironic that Keir Dullea hasn't appeared to have aged a minute in this scene even though 2001 was shot about 15 years prior.
Saw him in a play last fall and I shit you not, the guy looks maybe 50 at best... Nearly 80 years old and still as entertaining as he was 50 years ago.
Hats off to you sir.
Time has been very kind to Mr Dullea
Something about this scene always makes me almost cry.
For me theres something very special about when I see actors return to Iconic characters when its like yrs later, especially if its done properly. Arnies return as T-800 in Terminator 3, as crap as that movie was, he looked really good, and same goes here, first time I saw Bowman return and hes standing there behind Heywood, it really is just epic. Kier Duella played the part very well too.
Oh man, this scene used to creep me out, especially the way Floyd's expression changes just before he sees the Star Child. Brrrrrr...
0:36 "Well, thats the last time I can wear this pair of underwear..."
What a monumental, no pun intended, performance from Scheider, that look of wonderment and confusion at seeing the impossible before his very eyes, I don't know how many other actors could've pulled that off with such gravitas and depth. flawless brilliance.
this is the best scene in the whole movie...and then when Jupiter explodes or goes nova or what ever it did..its a great flick for fans of it....
@Henchman Twenty1 Actually, the replicating monoliths used Jupiter's mass to replicate. While doing so they compressed it enough until the tipping point was reached and fission began occurring in its core.
@@michaelclark9762 Fusion, not fission. Hydrogen merging to form helium (the process that powers stars that are not late in their life stages) is fusion. Fission is when atomic nuclei decay into other elements by emissions of other particles and photons.
When he said "my god, its full of stars" in 2001 ...I was looking for a box of lucky charms...what a rip
My God it’s full of stars= heaven
So well performed, yet very freaky! Man, to older man, back to man, to extremely old man,back to man, to baby in... womb? What a great way making this indescribable as any contact to an alien would be.
Adding the iconic line « my god, it’s full of stars! » at the end was brilliant! 👏
Shivers down my neck watching this
I agree. I thought this was the creepiest scene of all, not necessarily because Dave appeared unaged, but that Keir Dullea appeared unaged.
That's the next evolution of man, man
This and Godfather 3 are two highly underated sequels
Amen
Does anyone else think it's amazing (and kind of creepy) that Keir Dullea (the guy in the red spacesuit) looks like he hasn't aged a day? The original 2001 movie came out in 1968.
Met him once in San Francisco in 1991 and asked him if those were outtakes from 2001 he looked so young still/
He said no they were new shots for the 2010 film.
Actually a couple of years more than that, since while the movie came out in 1968, Dullea filmed his scenes in 1966.
This scene is Wonderful!
Thanks Thanks Thanks
I read the novels three times.
I watch the movies n+1 times!
When hal says look behind you and Floyd sees Bowman I get goosebumps every time
I just realized what this movie needed all along. Pink Floyd soundtrack.
whatever civilization is running the monoliths, they are gods for sure.
Great movie!!! Used to watch this as a kid and appreciate it so much more as an adult. The books are just as awesome!
Could the volume get any lower?
Sorry for that...I was making this video with headphones and it was good :-/
I can only imagine how much more awesome this movie would have been if Stanley Kubrick had directed it also( still a great movie nonetheless)
It would have been a totally different movie. Kubrick didn't really make movies with linear story lines, which is what this one is.
It would of been baffling if Kubrick had directed it, the good thing about this one is some stuff is explained, the good thing about Kubrick's is nothing is
He doesn't even look that much older now. I think the monolith really did make him immortal.
Awesome. Thanks for uploading.
2:02 I swear those pods were bigger in 2001.
This is gonna be so much fun to watch. Dave... we meet again at last.
Indeed they were bigger, but i also noticed they went really cheap on the corridor design too, the 2001 corridor is unforgettable, here it looks like cardboard/plastic.
It would be interesting if this was remade with 2022 technology. Peter Hyams was limited by technology of 1984 unfortunately. For example, he had to delete the entire Tsien chapter 3 (which was compacted into the probe launch from Leonov). Also, specific to this scene, the book details how Bowman's age changed in real time, not just cut-away scenes. But overall the film was outstanding.
He was basically showing him what would happen by shifting. It's to represent that he's projecting himself in some way from the 4th dimension. You can be at any place, at any time, any age, any direction, speed, etc etc. You could also be everywhere at different times.
Him shifting is revealing that knowledge, But a 3 Dimensional being will have more questions than answers, and won't fundamentally understand what's going on. They nailed this scene perfectly for the time period. Especially on what it would be like for a 4D being trying to explain or show 4D capabilities to a 3D being. As well as there being a communication barrier.
"He can't tell him" because it's knowledge that can't be put into words or any physical 3D form of communication. "Something wonderful" being the only description because you have to feel it and become it.
Feelings, they might just be the only thing transferable between the two. If something has a consciousness, it most likely has emotion. So a 4 Dimensional being may very well be able to impose feelings onto us, and we don't even know it.
Imagine there was actually a 2D Dimension on earth that had life within it. We would ultimately rule over that Dimension, they wouldn't even know we exist. You couldn't even put a flat picture down of yourself because they wouldn't be able to see over the line that the picture creates on it's edges.
So just imagine for a second what kind of ability a 4D being might have over the 3rd Dimension. They basically can manipulate all forms of matter, especially protons. Therefore they could most likely manipulate chemicals, and chemicals in our brains are responsible for making us feel.
Kinda went down a rabbit hole. 😂
Well stated, but the movie was also showing you that the timeline of the salt begins at fertilization and not birth.
@@pointzerotwo What you said makes Zero sense. What?
@@tacticalmattress In our 3-dimensional manifestation, we are comprised of salt the body, sulphur the soul, and spirit the mind or consciousness. The huge truth drop in this movie was that the salt begins at fertilization, and not conception nor birth. That is why Dave Bowman existed in part of his salt timeline as a fetus.
@@pointzerotwo Lol no
@@pointzerotwo Stop trying to attach religious sentiments to science and or science theory
this part freak me out!!! i love it!!!
I remember watching this when I was a young teenager and being scared out of my mind...
2010 - The year we needed hearing aids.
At the end of 2001, Bowman found himself in an alien zoo, spending the rest of his life there, by my estimate, about 70 years, before dying and evolving into the star child. When I first saw 2001, I thought Bowman entered a virtual world, in which he aged and evolved over a period of decades that were in fact mere seconds. Looking at 2010, Bowman should still be in the alien zoo and fairly young, when he shows up as his evolved self here. Either time doesn’t affect him any more, or my original impression still applies. I guess it’s up to the viewer to decide.
The ones who constructed the monoliths. The books describe that they evolved from bipeds to thinking machines to beings of pure consciousness, embedded in the structure of the universe itself. They guide Bowman throughout 2010 and use him as a messenger to the humans.
Yeah I'm not really sure why he had those sporadic age changes, but I think the reason he turned into the star child at the end was maybe his way of leaving.
Dave's red suit must be pretty ripe after nine years.
"But they depict him bald and aged who is in eternal youth
All-powerful, and his locks nourish like the brows of morning;
He is the Spirit of Prophecy, the ever-apparent Elias."
-William Blake
Alright somebody is talking from behind that damn tesseract book shelf again.. is it you Bowman!
0:46
Okay, who gave Dullea a vial from the Fountain of Youth?
In 2061, Bowman and HAL are inside the Europa monolith which they can operate to some extent. A mention is made of Dave *not being contacted again*. If it were the monoliths, they'd know by now since they spent decades inside one.
I don't know for sure who talked to him in 2010, but I'm pretty sure it wasn't the monolith.
Bowman's fate in 2001 was given proper closure by appearing to the astronaut (Roy Scheider) who is investigating his mysterious vanishing. Bowman's transformation to a higher plain was no vain and empty occurrence. It was also proper that both HAL and Bowman instigate
the climax of this movie.
God that was unsettling. I sorta imagine that's what it was like for normal people to talk to Stanley Kubrick in real life.
If Keir Dullea dies before another Space Odyssey movie is made, I will be PISSED.
This scene is a neat callback to " 2001 "'s final 10 minutes, w / out being too pseudo - mystical.
Love it love it love it!
There is NO WAY i would look behind me if someone said that.... And definitely no way i would get up and follow bowman.
@halfbreed1426 I read in an interview that Keir Dullea attributed his youthful looks to yoga. He was into yoga long before it became fashionable.
something wonderful is ready to happen to planet earth now :o)
My Gawd! It’s full of Stars!
No. Today we see barely any movie. We see only cash makers and we forget about them usually in 24 hours after watching them. 2001 and 2010 requires a lot of attention and brain functions of the spectator and most of spectators don't want that, just fast fun. But before 3001 there is 2061: Odyssey Three novel.
i have to turn the volume up so high to hear anything that the static made when I move my mouse is almost louder than the dialogue
Dave was already reborn as the Ubermensch, so why was it necessary for Floyd to see him go through the transformation?
I always thought the idea was, Bowman was all of those ages simultaneously when he merged with the monolith. Certainly one of the more surreal moments of 2010.
Superposition.
I doubt that it was really necessary for Floyd within the context of the film as much as it was for those of us in the audience. After all, we saw Bowman age and transform into the Star Child at the end of "2001." Maybe the director and producers thought most people would be confused if Bowman only appeared as a young man and they were trying to find a way to show without exposition that Bowman is no longer entirely who and what he was before. I think this could be their way of showing that Bowman no longer exists within linear time in the way we think of it (the physicists say that time as we picture it doesn't really exist anyway) -- he is the young man, the older man, the old man, and the Star Child all at once. How else would Bowman be able to see and understand what (from Floyd's perspective) has not yet happened? He can't really answer Floyd's question -- "what's going to happen?" -- because he knows that Floyd will not be able to understand because Floyd is still limited by his concept of linear time. It's even possible that Bowman has reason to believe something will actually go wrong if he tries to explain it to Floyd -- that the only way for events to unfold in the right way is if Floyd does not know what will happen.
Post again and see if you can squeeze the image a little bit more, its not yet completely distorted to my satisfaction.
Yes! And you two were really helpful finding and uploading this footage, THANK YOU!
dat audio tho...
It's better sound than I've found on this clip elsewhere. Shame the aspect is screwed
Bullshit. It's a worthy, low-key, intelligent science fiction film. It's no desecration to the original like, say, Jaws: The Revenge is. And hell, it's based off of Arthur C Clarke's novel, and he's just as much creator of the 2001 story as Kubrick was. So that's good enough for me.
will we humans ever make contact with another civilisation? And will they help us?
if only 2010 had been like 2010
Well read the books, you'll get your answers there. In 2010, Bowman clearly describes the aliens telepathically communicating with him and in 2061, he mentions that they disappeared.
bowman is drifting in and out of our space time continuum.
That was my read of it as well. I think the director and the producers were trying to find a way of showing the audience without actually telling them that Bowman no longer exists within what we perceive as linear time (which the physicists insist does not exist, or at least not in the way we think of it). Bowman is his younger self, his old self, his ancient self, and the Star Child all at once. As he says, the whole thing is clear to him now but he can't really explain what's happening to Floyd (and just maybe, if he tried to explain it to him, something would go wrong and events would not unfold as they're supposed to).
Closer and clearer came another thought and for the first time he realized that more than one entity was controlling and manipulating him. He was involved in a hierarchy of intelligences, some close enough to his own primitive level to act as interpreters.
*from Chapter 40 of 2010*
Wow, man.
Having read the book a couple of years before the movie came out, I hated the movie, but it was worth watching just to see Keir Dullea for this couple of minutes.
epic indeed.
I think it was merely derivative from the first movie, and compressed into this scene. I cannot remember if the book had that too. I only remember from Clarke's books that alien intelligences were able to evolve and exist overtime without bodies. The monolith was suppose to represent a doorway like a microchip into another dimension of existence. I think this scene as shown in Haywood Flyod's face was a mirror of an audience who could not understand the hotel sequence in the first film
...something wonderful...
He's actually still quite a young looking man for his age.
2001 was the best hollywood could do for the time and the limits of FX tech. 2010 was by far the best of the two stories in my opinion, becuase Kubrick and writers could not give the story all the needed info so it left gaps that had to be answered later by readining or 2nd hand..
This is a seriously under-rated movie. The original was genius, but is a little hard for me to watch. I get bored. This one manages to give the same feel as the first, while moving the story on at a faster pace. And the story is COOL.
Your absolutly right on that one. It's humans alone thinking and making decisions, there is no God or Devils involved in human thinking. All the problems created in the world is by man and not by the devil or demons. But the teachings in Christianity is still a good way to keep people together.
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Floyd: Holy...
Dave Bowman - or the being who WAS Dave Bowman - shows up looking much as he did in 2001, then as a very old, wizened fellow, then the fetal Starchild again. What does that represent ? They showed 3 stages of life, but omitted death & jumped ahead to what I'm assuming is rebirth ( ? ). There's got to be some symbolism there.
I interpreted it as the Starchild form being the answer to Floyd's question. "What is going to happen?" Birth.
I know. I've seen it and I was surprised Bowman turned into that instantly before Floyd.
Me too. In fact, this entire sequence was creepy.
Did anyone else see the title and automatically think it was the aerobraking scene?
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Its been a awhile since I saw the whole movie, but where did u get all that? I thought all this time the monoliths were were the ones who inhabited Europa
That would hardly be possible, since the individual novels are not part of the same continuity - something Clarke himself emphasized. The events in previous novels happened in later movies, but not EXACTLY like shown in the previous novel. Even the character and capabilities of the monoliths changes dramatically.
2010 is more chilling
2001 is incredible, isn't it?
My blood freeze this time.
Guess he's one of the few actors / actresses who hasn't aged himself with large doses of drugs, tobacco & booze. I heard / read he's a yoga & fitness enthusiast.
I spotted a few continuity errors there
You're right--it should be 1x4x9.
2010 book makes it pretty clear that Bowman is operating under the orders of the aliens.
But since every book takes place in a different parallel universe, you could be partially right.