The prince who plotted a putsch
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- Recently police in Germany conducted raids on 150 homes and arrested 25 people who were plotting a coup. The ringleader is a man called Prince Heinrich XIII. But is he a real prince? What made him want to overthrow the government? And what are his beliefs?
More about the Reichsbürger (very old video):
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Chapters:
00:00 The raid
01:12 Who the Reichsbürger are
02:06 Three of the members
02:31 About Heinrich XIII
04:16 Self-pity and a Russian girlfriend
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I definitely didn't have "German government prevents monarchist plot to overthrow the government" on my 2022 bingo cart
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@@azzteke I suspect the title of the video has been changed after upload and what Anna-Flora cited was the original one.
@@lonestarr1490 no, it wasn't. But it's an accurate summary of what happened
Then you never played HOI 4
😂😂
"Seventeenth in line to reign over two towns" - best insult I've heard all day.
Hey, Gera is almost a city
:(
He would be the seventeenth in line to reign over two towns. Ok - one town and one Near-to-be-a-City.
Agreed!
@@PiscatorLager Long Time, No see
Just for context, German "Reichsbürger" are like US "Sovereign Citizens". Similar people exist elsewhere, too. I suppose it is very attractive to some people - if you don't want to do what the law says, simply claim that the state behind the law doesn't exist.
To my knowledge, Russia has it's "Soviet Citizens", claiming the USSR still exists.
There seems also to be links to the QAnon-Guys in the U.S.
Likewise for "Freemen on the Land".
Yeah, weirdly the Sovereign Citizens see themselves in a more Liberal to Libertarian tradition, whereas the Reichsbürger see themselves in a fascist or monarchist tradition. But I suppose its just this nostalgia for the time when the current state didn't exist or the supposed ideal of the origins of the state. Odd, really to feel nostalgic for a time you never witnessed.
do the sovereign citizens believe they live in an earlier version of the us, like the british colonies or the confederation that existed briefly before the founding of the proper us?
Even in headline form, this is a lot more informative than a lot of headlines that I've seen. Thanks!
If you're reading headlines expecting to be informed there's your problem right there.
@@-Devy- Newspaper headline writers don't usually read the articles before writing the headlines, so why should I? (I could say something similar about a lot of CZcams video producers who apparently don't watch their own videos before writing the headline. But it's not true of all of them.)
We have similar to Reichsbürger movement in Russia - Граждане СССР (Citizens of USSR). They claim that USSR still exists, refuse to pay taxes and debts, print their own documents. But for now they are pretty harmless.
I've heard of these fools! They are also called the "Union of Slavic Forces of Russia" (or to use the Russian acronym, _SSSR,_ which is deliberately also the USSR's acronym), and their arguments are so similar to _Reichsbürger_ arguments, that the Wikipedia page dedicates an entire table to these similarities!
If the _Reichsbürger_ says that the Federal Republic of Germany is an LLC on occupied "German _Reich_ territory" controlled by the Allies, then the _Граждане_ _СССР_ says that the Russian Federation is _also_ an LLC on "Soviet territory" controlled by the US!
As the Wikipedia page elaborates, "As an ideological basis for his movement, Taraskin [the "interim President of the USSR"] used a mixture of ideas from the German Reichsbürger movement, as well as overtly anti-Semitic ideas and famous conspiracy theories, including the use of such historical forgeries as the "Protocols of the Elders of Zion."
Thankfully, unlike "Prince" Heinrich's "Patriotic Union", "President" Taraskin is a nobody who can't take over the government. Thanks for the comment!
For a video about these fringe movements: czcams.com/video/btIGYe28jWw/video.html
Someone like Putin would make sure they are locked up in a Siberian prison.
@@TheWuschelMUC Who knows? Claiming/Wanting that the USSR still exist... maybe Putin is secretly one of them :D
More disconcerting is the presence of a judge, various members of the defence forces and a civil servant of the LKA Niedersachsen among the suspects. Confused old men... sure. fine. Shout at clouds, why don't you, but to have people responsible for protecting the BRD in their midst...
Indeed, exactly. And also a member and former members of Special Forces of the German Army who´re knowing how to handle with weapons and how to do a Special Operation in the style of the Putsch in Spain back in 1981 - which the democracy in Spain only survived very close. The Police Officer was responsible for Protection Measure´s of Jewish Communities after the Terrorist Attack in Halle against the Jewish Community there!
So there´re very good reasons to take this coup attempt seriously!
Sonderbar, die Frau Richterin als verwirrten alten Mann bezeichnet zu sehen.
To those who want to write that he mispronounced "Rotschild":
He already reacted several times to this here in the comments. I quote:
(1) "In this context, "the Rothschilds" means the English branch of the family, which was founded in 1798. The pronunciation of the family name became anglicized, and this is the pronunciation most commonly used in the English-speaking world."
(2) "The pronunciation I use is the one used for the most prominent branch of the family, the English branch founded in 1798. It's the pronunciation most often understood in the English-speaking world: the German pronunciation would not be understood."
I feel a bit bad for the Reuß family. Imagine your crazy old relative making news with this and now everyone associates your family name with this affair.
They also all got the same legal name.
@@mathiasbartl903 Indeed. All male family members are "Heinrich" since 800 years.
Indeed. Defenitely not something with which you want to be in the Headlines.
Oh yeah, the poor poor aristocrats. When will their suffering end? 😥
@@Coastfog Well I mean, I think it is okay to have some sympathy. These days they are just a rich family, but like… they weren’t involved in this at all except for the nutter, but now they’re going to catch blame for it. No one is saying that they have the worst position and they’re so poor and low… Just that it sucks for them because they are abiding the laws and just living their lives when their delusional cousin wreaks irreparable havoc on the name that they all share.
As soon as I came across this story I knew it would only be a matter of time before you made a video about it. 😄
In a weird way, it's good to know that every country has to deal with "freeman on the land" dopes. In that, "at least it isn't just my country full of dopes."
Idiocy is universal.
@@lollorosso4675 Unfortunately.
Thank you very much for picking this Story up! It raises the question where the links are between dangerous Extremism and Insanity.
Btw.: Thank you very much for adding some British Humour to this Event: "If the Monarchy would still exist in Germany he would be the 17th in line to rule over two Towns." Probably it would be the easier way to just run for being elected as Mayor of Greiz. But that´s not the way a "Reichsbürger" thinks.
I know a prince from the Reuß family personally. Therefore, I can say that the family has long since excluded him and separated from him.
Claiming the current system is invalid is exactly what Putin is doing in Ukraine.
Precise and succinct with a measured dose of humour - love your news reporting! 👍
Currently there is a discussion starting that representatives of at least two media houses were present at the scenes, what suggests that information has been leaked to them prematurely.
That is pretty normal.
Higher ups in the media often get informed in advance, so they hold back on telling that story before the strikes happen. They get told a specific time after which they are free to publish the information.
There's no conspiracy or suspicious behavior involved.
@@Sleeping_Insomiac You are right. The authorities have a legitimate interest to have their actions documented by neutral journalists. And the public has an interest to be informed by reliable, non-government media. The only grey area is: Who decides to inform whom. The informed persons have to be reliable.
@@ppd3bw There is a more pragmatic reason too. Well connected journalists sometimes can spot these raids in advance. If they don't know what it is they'll probably dig into it, endangering the operation.
Gute Arbeit, Andrew. Good Job. Danke. Thanks.
"...could he have succeeded...?" never ever ever in a million years. You can say a lot about the state of our nation but this bunch of lunatics (although criminal & dangerous to a point) would have never gone anywhere with this. This says a lot about the loss of reality of these people
Lunatics. It seems none of them was in any position to command any authority. Owning illegal firearms hasn't been punished very hard in the past, I wonder what the outcome will be at court.
By the way: one elite unit raiding another's headquarters is quite unusual. Imagine the FBI Counterterrorism Division making a surprise visit at the Delta Force's base.
Indeed.
@Piscator Yeah, but in Germany this is different. With this kind of elite unit and its mindset I'd be wary and confused if there weren't any more raids. (As some members are unlikely to completely shake off their Nazi ideology)
Putschs with senior judges and special forces officers has a frosty ring to it - I am probably paranoid but these straws in the wind do seem to keep popping up.
The 71-year-old main suspect in the "largest anti-terrorist operation in our history" (Faeser) is said to have tried to flee from the special task forces with a stair lift. A wheelchair was ready to be used as an escape vehicle.
Well-informed putshioners report.
Oh, I _really_ hope this is true.
It's worth pointing out that investigations are still ongoing, which could turn up additional members - and that among those already arrested, large numbers of weapons and ammunition have been found, making the threats far more credible. In any case, good to see this stopped before any actual harm was done.
25 arrests - enough to overthrow a country of 80 million ?!?
BTW exactly 1 handgun was found and a few alarm pistols -Wow !!
Do you always believe everything that is presented to you by MSM....Several Journalists knew in advance what was going to happen and his arrest (10.40 or so )was reported (Die Zeit) hours before it took place (08.01)
@@theoderich1168 "25 arrests - enough to overthrow a country of 80 million ?!?" - This just show you how out of touch they were. Still they could hurt people with their lunatic plan and glad it was thwarted.
One! It was one! handgun. She's a marksman, so its legal. Some signal pistols, canned food and 1000 Euro (divided by 25 makes 40 € per suspect).
2. Would police raid the armed suspects at last or at first?
Uhmm, hard question
@@theoderich1168 Yes several "trustworthy journalists" where informed before, that's pretty normal and happens before most bigger actions like this. It's a win-win for police and journalists. The raids started at 6:00 am and the journalists had an embargo till 7:30 am.
@@hushangpour3438 they found weapons in 50 of the 150 objects they searched.
How is that one weapon?
And if you are refering to the judge: if they found only one weapon where is the other one she owns?
I knew this video was coming. I was waiting for it.
As an American who has been watching the news, I found this to be quite informative! Although I knew a little bit about the _Reichsbürger_ movement and the so-called "Patriotic Union" (and the seemingly random Russian woman who was involved), I learned a bit more about them from this video. I didn't know that there were raids in Austria and Italy! Also, I found the jab at 4:41 ("he would be 17th in line to reign over two towns"!) to be quite amusing! Thanks for the video!
Also, if any of you are wondering what my views are on this, I'll simply say this: _Einigkeit_ _und_ _Recht_ _und_ _Freiheit_ _sind_ _des_ _Glückes_ _Unterpfand!_
This doesn't tell anything about your opinion
@@deutschermichel5807 I'd argue he doesn't like sepperatists.
Ein Volk ein Reich ein Kommentarbereich
@@deutschermichel5807 I was trying to imply that I am a supporter of the current Federal Republic of Germany, instead of the Empire the _Reichsbürger_ are loyal to. I must admit, though, that my remark was rather vague. Thanks for the reply!
Very good summary!
I'm part-time living in Gera. It's a pretty depressing city, I'll tell you that much...Some lifetime local once said to me that the city consists mainly of "Hackfressen". This word describes a person who has a very ugly and dumb face. And she certainly had a justified point in saying that. The feeling this "prince" gives me has a distinct resemblence to the one I had while I smelled a sewer stink walking along the streets. Sorry an alle aus Gera an dieser Stelle. Die Kirche an der Clara-Zetkin-Straße ist aber sehr schön muss ich sagen.
Excellent video! I was really wondering who was the "minor nobleman" involved in the plot mentioned by the media.
Great video
My explanation of who he is in relation to the actual German royals, for my American friends who don’t know the houses and families, is just to say…
Him thinking he should be king, would be like the mayor of Dubuque, Montana claiming he’s actually President of the United States. Just from a perspective of how “not in line” to the throne this guy actually is…
Yes. That's why he never said or claimed to become king.
If the coup succeded, he would have taken the position of “regent”.
@@deutschermichel5807 Semantics, in all but name he would have been King.
@@simsandsurgery1 I doubt it. The “Reichsbürger”-movement thinks a certain George Frederick Prince of Prussia to be the legitimate heir to the Royal Prussian and Imperial German throne. Sooner or later, the putschists would have proclaim him king / emperor - until then Henry XIII Prince Reuss would have been head of a provisional government as “regent” or „Reichsverweser”.
They "line" has been created from scratch in 1871. There's not much to it. He could simply start a new one.
This is the best/most in depth video on the movement and coup in english
The canonical reference on sovereign citizens in a Canadian context is Meads v Meads, which in fact does such a good job that it's been cited in court cases in many countries, including Germany. Netolitski "After the Hammer" provides a good overview.
Why would a Canadian case be cited in a German court?
@@RagingGoblin Courts can cite whatever they want. And Meads is the definitive rebuttal to sovereign citizen arguments, so it saves courts time to cite it rather than rehashing everything.
@@qwertyTRiG No. Citing a case from a foreign country with a *different legal system* makes not much sense at all.
Also, the German Reichsbürger make claims that are intrinsic to the German constitutional development. These claims don't relate *at all* to Canada.
@@RagingGoblin Sovereign citizen pseudolaw is not based on real laws at all. They make some appeals to real things, but mostly belive what they want to belive. The ideas are fluid, not properly reasoned out, and definitely cross national borders. Many Canadian sov cits use US commercial contract law in their arguments.
That said, I'm now scanning over "After the Hammer" again (it's free online), and he talks about the Reichsbürger movement a bit, and explain that they're using the same concepts, but doesn't actually say that German courts have cited Meads (though German legal academics have). I'd misremembered that.
@@qwertyTRiG All good, mate.
We should not underestimate such movements, but this was more like Monty Python.3,000 police forces to arrest 25 elderly imbeciles? Some doctors with straight-jackets could have done this job.
Seems that all these Caesars and Napoleons in the mental asylum get some new buddies.
Well, they had a military guy smuggling guns. Better safe than sorry I suppose. At least this threat, however minor, to a democracy was taken seriously...
How can it be that some guy on CZcams presents a more balanced, concise and comprehensive summary of the events than many major media? Thank you in particularly for pointing out that there is no "Reichsbürger movement" but that it's just a belief system / conspiracy theory, or rather an umbrella for many related but different theories. Some of these people are fairly harmless, others are dangerous. The media, knowing that sensationalism sells, often make it sound like there is this vast movement, but I think the majority are just sad old men finding comfort in the delusion that some day, there will be a reckoning with all those who supposedly did them wrong and "the old order" will be restored, whatever that may be (the German Empire was a MESS!).
i would disagre. this is definetly a movement. dont forget they are part of the "AfD" and some in the "Die Basis" political partys.
This is a fairly subjective and dangerous conclusion of presented facts. I found that around 20% of democratic countries are subjective to conspiracies (this needs actual research to be conclusive). The information summarized and presented to you is probably referring to this tendency, and this is possibly a part of why you think the way you do, but there are several other factors that you do not include in your assessment of facts. I recommend you go to the page of Försvarsmakten and take part of the video: The defense of Sweden - today and tomorrow.
But, yes, the German Empire was a mess.
Nevertheless, do not discredit our main media carelessly: they have a tough job. There is really none like it or close to their objective work in the field: alternative media is often much worse. You only make these occurrences more commonplace in the future with comments such as yours.
Furthermore, I do agree that some issues need to be addressed in the presentation of facts in "major media", but it is still our best alternative in the space that they represent.
Be a part of the solution, not the problem.
Lastly, how do you define "major media"? There are several issues with this phrasing. I recommend you to follow several public service news agencies of the highest-rated democracies in the world, but never limit yourself. (I am speaking to people that read your comment as well [mostly]. So do not take it personally.)
But that's the issue. When the movement is big enough there's a higher chance that couple people do something about the horrible thing that ruins their country or something. This is this general distrust in institutions which can result in people "curing" their cancer with garlic or in a terrorist attack
The Q movement and related conspiracies are all harmless until someone threatens a child hospital with bombs because they turn children into trans there or something equally bullshit
Do you mean german or american media? And I wouldnt underestimate these guys, they oftentimes are interconnected to various degrees, even if that doesnt necessarily mean theyre a movement.
@@joakimhausswolff9728 "tough job"
They get paid anyhow, regardless of what quality they put out and that's the only "job" where it's like that.
That, and politicians, of course.
To make it clear to everyone, not even in Germany is this clear to everyone: the nobility no longer exists since 1919. That is why these people no longer have a title of nobility such as "Prince".
Before 1919 this confused man would be called: "Prince Henry 13th Reuss".
Afterwards the titles, which mean nothing more, were added to the surname. Therefore he is officially called here in his passport, "Heinrich Prinz Reuß". It is a normal double name, which occurs frequently in Germany.
Incomprehensibly, even in Germany newspapers report about the "Prince", as if they did not know better.
So 25 OAPs were supposed to have succeeded in doing in Germany in 2022 what 8000 young, fit well trained heavily armed soldiers failed to do in Turkey in 2016?
Well, they didn't succeed, because they were stopped. And they were stopped _before_ they tried to do something incredibly foolish.
As I explain in the video, I'm certain they wouldn't have succeeded; but if they'd tried, lives would likely have been lost.
It really makes you wonder when there’s talk about them and Russia being in contact, if that somehow can explain that train cable being cut earlier this year…
Very well done video, thank you very much. At 1:29 German caption contains an error. "...ihnen nicht gelte" is not correct.
"... für sie nicht gelte".
Might be better to be corrected for those who learn German.
Thanks again
The first "Reichsbürger" in this sense of the word was, as far as I know, a railwayman called Günther Ebel who proclaimed himself "Kommisarischer Reichskanzler" back in the 1980-ies.
I looked it up, and I have confirmed that someone named Wolfgang Gerhard Günter Ebel (that's the one you mentioned) founded the first "Provisional Imperial Government" (in German, _Kommissarische_ _Reichsregierung,_ or KRR) in 1985.
A railwayman calling himself a "Provisional Chancellor of the Empire"? That seems utterly random! Thanks for the information!
For more information: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reichsb%C3%BCrger_movement#History
@@Hand-in-Shot_Productions That´s the Problem: The Conspiracy Theories of these People are often so weird, so nonsensical and their behaviour so strange and sometimes even mad in a medical sense that the security authorities thought, too, they would be simply a couple of Honks and senile old man and didn´t investigate much in this scene. Only with the homicide of the Police Officer back in 2017 they slowly recognized then that some of them could be pretty dangerous. And with this Plotting it became plain clear that there should be a Closer Look onto them.
@@NicolaW72 Agreed! Thanks for the reply!
@@Hand-in-Shot_Productions 👍
Ein baron von den socke ! Also out of his mind. Very scary that there are people who will follow his thinking, but we have the same thing in Amrica.
There was also a Peruvian home searched. Not only Austria and Italy
Excuse me, but trolls and fake news spreader are already here. Such a shame. Your video is perfect btw. Well researched.
Just kick their butts in a smart way.
yes, yourself....
Indeed.👍
Great video! A minor correction though: The name of the Jewish family so often being a part of conspiracy myths is not Roths-child 3:57 , but Roth-schild - the origins go back to a house with a red sign on it.
The English pronunciation hurts my brain too, but that's how you say it in English. People won't know who you mean if you pronounce the name correctly.
In this context, "the Rothschilds" means the English branch of the family, which was founded in 1798. The pronunciation of the family name became anglicized, and this is the pronunciation most commonly used in the English-speaking world.
@@rewboss But it sounds like rott child. And that makes Germans feel uncomfortable in context with Rothschild. Guess you know why
Thanks a lot - I wasn’t aware of that! Sounds horribly wrong to my German ears (as if it meant the child of a guy called Roth), but if that’s how it is… 😅
@@spectator8661 Was wondering the same thing, but according to Wikipedia Andrew's pronunciation is correct with regards to the English speaking world - albeit appalling :D
If there's anybody planning a similar coup in Britain, I'd just like to get it out there that I'm absolutely prepared to do nothing while evil triumphs.
Who said there are evil?
In UK, we have also had a long term hypocrite and self-important guy who wanted to take over as king. Unfortunately, he's finally done it.
I happy to hear when countries work together for the well-being of all. Germany was supposed to be the one which would have been attacked, but its instability would cause problems in all Europe and elsewhere.
So Germany has sovcits too. On the one hand it's nice to know that the US isn't the only place with crazies like that, but on the other hand oh jeez other countries besides the US have those crazies.
Ehhh..yesn't. Reichsbürger don't reject the idea of A state, they just reject the idea of THIS state. They see themselves either as citizens of the third Reich (rarely) or the Kaiserreich (more common). Of course those seeing themselves as citizens of a pre-unification state also exist, sometimes argued because technically Emperor Franz II. had no right to dissolve the HRE, so in theory it could be argued that it still exists as a landless state with no citizenry as a curiosity of ancient law.
Reichsbürger are less like sovcits and more like people who see themselves either as citizens of the CSA or the British Empire.
Und es scheint keinen zu geben, der so verrückt ist, daß man nicht immer einen noch Verrückteren fände. Oder eine, obgleich ich denke, daß in dieser Beziehung sich nicht allzu viele für Gleichstellung aussprächen. Aber, siehe oben...
The photo at 2:16 is not Rüdiger von Pescatore, but it shows "Maximilian Eder".
Am I wrong, or Heinrich XIII looks like Bernie Maddox younger brother?
This is a story of madlads for count dankula.
A very interesting and frightening matter. If they had tried the coup, probably they would have failed but other would have been encouraged to try it, probably with more organization. Fascism is in the rise everywhere and I am glad that, for once, it was stopped before it could act.
Next year we have 100-year anniversary of the Beer Hall Putsch, I'm pretty sure others will also try to keep up the tradition.
I like how I’ve seen it said in Germany better: conspiracy myths, not theories
Meanwhile, Beatrix von Storch is also keeling off to the right. It's almost as if those lot are old, entitled gits or something.
Easy with the "old" there: von Storch is a year younger than I am.
@@rewboss I was already called a boomer and I'm not even 50 yet.
@@soundscape26 Me too. And I am 39.
@@rewboss she is? My god... evil truly ages.
You though look taufrisch.
2:49 Technically he isn't royal but from royal descent. Prinz Reuß has to be named "Herr Prinz Reuß". He might have a royal sounding name but due to article 109 of the Weimar Constitution all royal titles are abolished and from then on the titles are part of the name.
For some reason, however, his name is conventionally translated into English as if he still had a title. The fact that the monarchy has been abolished is a point I stress a couple of times in the video.
@@rewboss The confusing part is that while the nobility as a rank and all privileges have been abolished (in 1919), the noble families were allowed to keep existing titles as part of the name, so Heinrich Prinz Reuß zu Köstritz or something like that may actually be his legal name.
@@eljanrimsa5843 Not only that. To repeat it: The Former Ruling Houses are formally recognized as Corporations of Public Law in Germany with their Chiefs as Highes Representatives. They have State Treaties with the States about their Properties. This was a point in this matter: Heinrich XIII. fought a long struggle against the Government to get back real estates and art collections which he thought would or should be owned by his Former Ruling House (that´s the officially used term). Because he was unsuccesful he planned now this: simply to overthrough the Government and then to get "his money back" as new German Head of State.
I wonder why the world is going so crazy lately....and the madness can be found in any country on any continent.
Von Pescatore?! I would love the history of such surname.
Also dangerous are those who want to trivialize this movement and portray them as confused but rather harmless pensioners. This narrative is especially popular on the conservative side right now.
On the Right Wing Side, better to say. Parts of the Right Wing of the AfD and Right Wing Radicals. I don´t see Conservative Politicians talking this narrative today - even the heavily Conservative State Government of Bavaria contributes to this Investigation and was very plain and clear with their Statements. The CDU/CSU are not the Republican Party of the US.
Walking into a McDonalds and ordering a "Reichsburger Menue"...
you'd receive garbage in a moldy bun, which weirdly enough sounds like a normal item on the menue.
"Reich's Burger" sounds like the name for a fascist fast food chain operating as a cover up for subversive activities.
Reichsbuerger Menu ist das, was hinten raus Kommt
With »Onkel Adolfs brauner Soße« (uncle Adolf's brown sauce) please.
Slight taste of what we experience in Turkey on daily basis we have so many of these crazy groups from all political sides from extreme right to left with all type of ethnic, religious whatever kick so whenever there is a huge police operation and large number of arrests doesn't mean it's a police state sometimes it is well needed
I think they were just people with the wrong opinions and to much money. And you can't have the wrong opinions these days.
Interestingly, neither the 1870 (basically just a very slightly amended 1867 document about the North German Confederation) constitution of the German Empire nor the 1919 Weimar Constitution would put many barriers on democracy in Germany. Austria has nearly the same constitution as the Weimar Republic does and these days the pressures on Weimar that made it fail are basically gone now, and constitutional monarchy and the convention of parliamentary confidence, while not strictly a part of the 1870 document, is still observed in all constitutional monarchies whether formally or not (oddly enough, even in places like Jordan and Kuwait). Kaiser Friedreich, the liberal guy from the Dreikaiserjahre, would probably have done what the British do and make the chancellor depend on confidence from the Reichstag. The Kaiserreich (not the HRE)´s electoral system was probably the most inclusive of its day, basically all men able to vote from 24+, with a majority in runoffs in each constituency, with direct elections and secret ballots, and the boundaries of constituencies when they were drawn were fairly good. France is a strong democracy today. The Weimar constitution needs basically no change to Germany´s electoral system except for a slightly older voting age of 20 from 18.
I imagine that Poles, some Danes, some French, and some Russians might be wondering how they ended up back in Germany again, but Germany at least this time is a strong democracy, with suffrage guaranteed for them too, with very good minority rights, so this time it should not cause mass atrocities.
I was wrong about one thing. The 1871 constitution actually was amended in the waning weeks of the Great War to enforce parliamentary confidence, and also that the Reichstag must consent to armed conflict. So it´s even less of an actual problem if Germany were actually to go back to it. Annoying for a lot of bureaucrats, but far from dangerous.
verleser: the prinz who plotted a punsch ...
So many questions. Thirteen Henrichs in a single century? Hickory golf? Von Pescatore?
They had some before 1918 so
@@paxundpeace9970Und zwar so richtig viele. Lola Montez (ja, DIE Lola Montez) hatte zu ihrer Zeit in der damaligen Landeshauptstadt Ebersdorf mit einem Prinzen Heinrich LXXII. Reuß zu tun, wenn die Lola-Biographie nicht trügt. Es steht dreimal so da, ist also kein Druckfehler. Heinrich der Zweiundsiebzigste, und man stelle sich vor, er schriebe hier einen Kommentar als @Heinz72...
According to news reports, police during their nationwide (and international) raids found two rifles and one pistol (probably legally owned) as well as alarm pistols, crossbows and swords (these are also legal in Germany as long as you keep them in your house). The press releases also pointed out that “Thousands of Euros” in cash and “Prepper Vorräte” were found (Prepper being an anglicism, I assume they mean canned food).
I predict that charging these people won't be easy.
There may be a secret cache of weapons investigators haven't found yet, but there's plenty of evidence for conspiracy to commit treason.
@@rewboss High treason would be paragraph 81 of the German penal code. I frankly do not know if anybody has ever been charged with that, let alone sentenced, in postwar Germany. This is uncharted legal territory. I'm assuming that paragraph 129a StGB (forming terrorist organizations) is the way to go, but that won't be a slam dunk either.
In Austria we had some similar Problems, back in 2017. The leader of the movement was sentenced to 14 years of jail (later reduced to 12) and the deputy leader to 10 years for high treason - Althrough their attempts were pathetic. Austrian law makes no excepions for completely inapt attempts to overthrow the government.
@@wolfgangthiele9147 There´s pretty much evidence for §129a - maybe this will become the first §81-Court Ruling in the History of the Federal Republic, too.
I suggest to look at the website of Boris Reitschuster.
True, there you can observe these confused souls directly at the source.
The high crown dose still lives
How can a crown live? They are made of metal.
Thank god for the GSG9
Lass uns hoffen, dass die alle sauber sind...wenn schon Leute vom KSK so einen Schwachsinn ausbrüten...
Having power is what makes a government legitimate. Whether or not the German empire still exists isn't relevant at all.
It doesn't exist anymore. It's still debated in legal science what exactly happened to it in a formal sense after 1949, but one thing is very clear: After 1990, there has been only one german state, the Federal Republic. Putting legal formalities aside, you are correct about power realities of course and there is also no doubt that both the FRG and the GDR were absolutely legitimate states.
@@untruelie2640 Yes. In a nutshell: In summer 1945 ("Potsdam Conference") the four major allied powers declared that they and only they would hold souvereignty over Germany as far as Germany as an entity was concerned. That meant that political authority on any "lower" or more regional level was given back to (democratically) legalized German authorities soon after. Neither did most of the German laws (civil law book, criminal code, patent laws, social security and welfare laws, driving licenses or the traffic regulations...) become invalid nor were political bodies like villages, twons, "Landkreise" (counties) or the "Länder" dissolved. What the Military Government did was to reshape the "Länder" or create new ones ("Northrhine-Westfalia") after the dissolution of Prussia. The "Länder" formed the backbone of the later Federal Republic. In 1990 the four Allied Powers finally handed their "sovereignty over Germany as an entity" back and gave it to the Ferderal Republic. That means that the Federal Republic is the legitimate political body that holds all souvereign rights in the legal tradition of the "Reich". The only disputed question is whether the "Reich" was ever dissolved and its constitution nullified. It surely was not, it was just reshaped and the constitution replaced.
@@christiankastorf4836 I follow a different interpretation. I think the Reich continued to exist in the form of "Germany as a whole", as the Allies of WW2 described it, the entity that capitulated in 1945 but never had a peace treaty offered to it - which is understandable, since there was no government or any other institutions anymore. After it had collapsed, the Allies took over it's sovereignity and rasks, most of which were later handed to the two new german states - but not all of them. The Allies still had some prerogatives and they still occupied Berlin, "the german capital". So I would argue that the Reich was replaced in 1949 with the two new states, one claiming to be its successor and one claiming not to be, while there remained a layer of "Reich" that was still held/occupied by the Allies. When they gave up their formal rights in Germany and ended their administration of Berlin in 1990, it all merged with the Federal Republic.
Edit: Another argument in favour of this interpretation is that there always was only one Germany as a subject of international law. In the UNO, both german states technically represented Germany together and although they recognised each other as sovereign states, their relationship was not one of complete dimplomatic foreign formality. Which would make sense, if there existed two states within the "whole Germany", while parts of it were also still occupied by the Allies.
@@untruelie2640 That is what I think as well. Only that notion of "Germany as an entity" kept the existence of the "Reich" as such alive, whereas its real power and people lived in our "real" post 1945/1949 world. That is that the "Reich" led a life of an "undead" under the supervision of the "Alliierter Kontrollrat" in Berlin from the 1940s till 1990 and was then vaporized when that body was dissolved following the unification treaty of 1990. Think of the fact that when the Federal Republic settled the "Oder-Neiße-Question" with Poland it could only agree too where Poland has/had its western border as the The Federal Republic had no right to say where the eastern borders of Germany where. All that business gets even more complicated when you discuss the loss of the eastern territories. Fact is that it was "only" the administrative rights over Pommerania, East Prussia and Silesia that the Allied Powers hat given to Poland and the Soviet Union. But those new borders of those two states were later inernationally accepted. A lot of that daydreaming of those "Reichsbürger" has to do with some weird hopes they might get the lost east back. They cling to the conspiracy theory that Putin may help them doing so.
@@christiankastorf4836 Yeah, I sometimes call it the "ghost Reich", at least in English.
And of course the Reichsbürger usually don't understand the details of state and international law, which is not really a surprise.
What's Wrong with THAT....
This is the reddit guy I keep seeing on german reddit
According to German law Mr Heinrich Reuss is not a prince given that all German aristocratic and royal titles together with their privileges were abolished in 1918. Some Germans with aristocratic ancestry still use their families' former titles in their correspondence and often demand that people address them with these titles, but there is no obligation by law.
In fact I, a total nobody and son of working class parents, can in Germany also give myself the title of prince and ask people to address me with this title. I'd be as much a legitimate prince as this Mr Heinrich Reuss.
I'm pretty sure you can't put the Mike Prinz Spike zu Köstritz into your passport. The privilieges have been abolished and no new titles are given, but existing titles have been transferred into the legal names of the noble families. I'm not sure what his legal name is exactly, but it may be something like Heinrich Prinz Reuß, or Heinrich Prinz Reuß zu Köstritz, perhaps even Heinrich XIII Prinz Reuß zu Köstritz due to their numbering system
@@eljanrimsa5843 None of these former aristocratic titles are protected by German law. And anyone in Germany claiming nobility or belonging to the aristocracy will definitely be confronted with mockery. Nobility has not been an officially recognised social class since 1918.
There have been enough court cases to verify this with supposed entitled people having to hear that in the eyes of the law they are just mister or misses (or Herr und Frau) so and so. But in many cases these people have at least managed to secure family property such as palaces and tracts of land. Ownership though does not give lawful right to the titles that used to come with these properties.
I don't know for sure how this plays out for official documents in the rest of Germany, but I have it on good authority that document issuing offices here in Berlin and former East Germany are quite insistent, aristocratic titles are considered just fanciful additions to a name that don't belong in an official document.
Interestingly, one of the last places that will officially recognise a German aristocratic title is the UK. It seems the British are quite protective of their own titles and don't want to see them diluted by foreign ones.
In the US you'll get some funny looks if you insist on such titles. I'm not sure how this plays out for Harry and Meghan in a country where a lot of people refuse to address colleagues even with their academic titles. At least they address their sitting presidents correctly.
So all that said, yes, I agree, I'd probably not be able to put "Mike Prinz Spike zu Köstritz" in my passport, but neither would the gentleman claiming to be a German prince.
@@mikethespike7579 Now I understand the problem. You mix up the name with the job. He doesn't rule as a "Prinz", but "Heinrich XIII. Prinz Reuß" is his actual legal name, because his family had been "Prinz" when nobility was abolished in 1919. You can find a discussion about the "XIII" in the talk page of his German Wikipedia site, it looks like this is legit also.
@@eljanrimsa5843 No, sorry, you have it wrong. Nobody in Germany can claim a title such as "Prinz" as part of their legal name.
It's been debated and argued in Germany for years by descendants of aristocratic families that their former titles are part of their personal names.
This is all nonsense of course. Even in the German Empire aristocratic titles were not counted as part of personal names, they were just badges to mark a position in the hierarchy of the aristocracy, very much like ranks in an army.
In present day Germany, regardless of all the court-cases, no court of law has ever granted the right to use long abolished aristocratic titles as part of personal names. You are free to claim an aristocratic title if you want to, but you cannot force anyone to address you with that title.
@@mikethespike7579 Do you know how to use Google? Wikipedia? Read a book? Are inventing everything you write?
Very fashionable to dispute the legitimacy of the government....
Strange, isn´t it? Ever heard of the electoral fraud in the last Berlin election? (other regions certainly did not fare any better). In Berlin the election has to be repeated now.....
Just respond with this Piercing Question: Who makes the Law ?
The point is, "legitimacy" means lawfullness. Law is made by the State. A State doesn't have to be lawful, it cannot be lawful or unlawful, it defines what is lawful.
@@Ribulose15diphosphat No, no, noooooo.....I didn't mention the state, I talked about government. A government can perfectly lack legitimacy, narrowly defined as 'lawfulness' as you do. E.g. in case of election fraud. Most importantly legitimacy CAN mean lawfulness, but it has also other meanings such as justified or valid. I can perfectly legitimate make a claim: 'Today I walked more than 5 kilometers'. Has absolutely nothing to do with the law. Consequently if a government is formed perfectly in agreement with the law and nobody recognizes it or it's unable to impose its law and exercise it's authority you can in all reasonability still claim it lacks legitimacy.
At least they weren’t Nazis
situation in West Europe is very dramatic, immigrants could take over the countries, family is weaker than ever. I understand that people are discontent, but I don't believe right-wingers can solve the problem. This kind of action tends to go out of control.
i wonder how Heinrich the "umpteenth" life and plans would have turned out if the former GDR government was still in place? I think he may just have disappeared one morning
Wie heißen die CDU-Mitglieder?
Sehr gut! Das verschafft der englischsprechenden Welt einen objektiven Einblick, wenn sie es denn anschaut. Ich fürchte nur, daß die, die es angeht, es geflissentlich ignorieren, oder eine weitere Verschwörungstheorie daraus machen.
Es wird wohl eine größere Gerichtsverhandlung geben. Wahrscheinlich wird die Verteidigung ihre Mandantschaft als harmlose Spinner hinstellen. Hauptsache, es heißt wieder mal: Endstation Rechts.
@@TheWuschelMUC Was mich an dem ganzen Komplex irritiert ist, daß es sich dabei um Menschen handelt, die in Ihrer Ausbildung schon mal eine gewisse Intelligenz bewiesen haben. Um Richterin zu werden, muß man schon eine Spitzenleistung bringen. Es daher einfach per Danning Kruger abzutun, ist dadurch eher nicht möglich. Man muß auch mal in die Vergangenheit blicken, und mit den Exponenten des 1000-jährigen Reichs (rückwirkend) einen Intelligenztest machen. Spinnert oder dumm waren die alle nicht. Ist es möglich, daß die Möglichkeiten des Bösen immer noch nicht ausgelotet sind?
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I'm sorry, they were monarchists!? That's nuts, and the English-language media I first saw the story in should be ashamed for leaving that out.
It was ONE dude with a royal title in there. He is estranged from his house/family since a long time and they made it clear very quickly, that they dont wanna have anything to do with this dudes visions.
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Your pronunciation of “Rothschild” is so weird, but what is bothering me even more is that - at least according to Wikipedia - this pronunciation might even be considered “correct” in the English sprachraum. In my mind it’s just mental, because the name is a compound Roth-schild (“red shield”), whereas this English pronunciation is re-hyphenating it into Roths-child!?
When talking about "the Rothschilds", we're usually referring to the English branch of the family, which is the branch that became particularly rich and influential -- Nathaniel Mayer Rothschild was the first Jewish member of the House of Lords who didn't have to convert to Christianity. That branch was founded in 1798, and the pronunciation of the family name was changed -- I suspect this was the result of English people not knowing the German pronunciation and simply pronouncing the name as if it was English.
@@rewboss And now they are the children of Roth instead of the red shield. Weird.
This is an informative video … with which there is just one minor quibble. At 0:58 the narration relates the plotters’ objective of “… storming the REICHSTAG” building. In today’s constitutional Federal Republic of Germany the parliament building is called the BUNDESTAG. “Reichstag” is the name “Reichsbürger” use.
It's still the Reichstag BUILDING.
Der Bundestag tagt im Reichstag. Clear as mud ;-)
What conspiracy theories?
i would not mind a constitutional monarchy, it would be cheaper for the country than successive presidents who fulfill only representative purposes and are then paid hundreds of thousands per year until their death.
scandinaivam and low land countries seem to manage quite well with theirs still, and the british seemingly (think that they) do well.
Yes yes, we should have done it like the French
What? Killing people with different opinions (e.g. republicans, socialists or Vendée peasants, royalists, catholic priests) or certain heritage (e.g. aristocrats or jews) and then start a series of devastating wars?
@@patrickpleil223 It was a little bit of dark humor, calm down. The whole situation just reminded me about how they beheaded their monarchs so that none of their heirs would feel entitled to a crown, as Prince Reuss did. Of course that's a gross simplification but yeah
These types of "your not my real government!" crazies will never not make me laugh.
Yeah, but the people who go "believe everything the goverment sells you as truth" are also hilarious.
Nothing conspiracy about the fact that Germany is not a sovereign country at least. From 1945 it's leashed by the transatlantic power block and now also by non democratic institutions like EU parlement and WEF
What do you care about narratives of the news media world? It is complexly designed nonsense. Why are you not interested in responsibly researching the facts on your own to get a basis consisting of reality? (I hope for some good will to understand what I am trying to say with this English.)
Great BS video! Had a good laugh!
Der Mensch ist schon ein komisch Tier 🤬 So destruktiv!
Times like this I appreciate living in an Eidgenossenschaft.
It is getting more and more obscure. In the Reichsbürger raid soap opera, a Munich celebrity chef was also arrested. The charismatic man in his mid-sixties with cinematic charm, who is the father-in-law-to-be of an FC Bayern star, is said to have met frequently with the alleged conspirators. He "was to supply the troops of the terror gang - and become the cook of the would-be king, gang boss Prince Heinrich XIII Reuß (71)!", the "Bild" - and, like the other major media, calls the cook by his full name; and his picture is also published. The celebrity chef is said to have provided the Reichsbürger with kitchen utensils, food and emergency generators. According to T-Onlinel, he is currently on his way to Karlsruhe to see Attorney General Peter Frank. This caricature of a state-simulation becomes ever more ridiculous...
PS: Do data protection and personal rights actually only apply selectively to suspects with the right "attitude" and/or origin?
I think if the suspect is a public figure, privacy laws are less strict. After all, if these people are household names and their views are already a matter of public record, any attempt to conceal their identities would be futile. The idea is protect ordinary people who don't have the kind of platform that would allow them to defend themselves in public.
@@rewboss yeah, privacy protection is especially tight for murderers of 14year old girls....
@@riccardodececco4404 ...who isn't a public figure and, because he is entitled just like the rest of us to the presumption of innocence until proven guilty and protection from trial by media, is granted the same protections as you and I would be in the same situation. It's enough to know at this point that the suspect is an Eritrean who has applied for asylum, and that before the attack had no history of violence. If you were to know his full name, how would that make any difference to you?
@@rewboss yeah man, you are getting ever more ridiculous... by the way: one of the Afghan perpetrators of a gang rape in the same town 3 years ago (again it was a 14year old girl), was supposed to be shipped back to Afghanistan after he served his much too short prison sentence in Germany. Even the interior minister of Baden-Württemberg was behind this decision. But the federal interior minister Faeser, a notorious left wing extremist with ties to the criminal underground had voted against this decision! Noooo, there is noooo pattern there to identify! Now, I have to ask you this question: what the hell are you doing in this country? Never would I behave like you do if I would be a British resident.
@@rewboss and another by-the-way: that protection until proven guilty is NEVER implemented when "enemies" (critics) of the government are in question. Faeser openly speaks of "enemies who have to be marked" - not even peaceful demonstrators. The problem with expats like you is: you have - despite your good knowledge of German - no clue about the country, about the social milieus, their history, sentiments, experiences. You have this fake cliché notion of German history in mind, based on ridiculously simplified and even kitsch British and US war-time propaganda. You know NOTHING about certain continuities, and how these continuities in ideas, ideologies and attitudes work over generations. Italians would understand it - or have some sensitivity for it - Poles and Russians, and of course Hungarians and Romanians. And others. But not Brits. European history is a bit more complex. The same tragedy of not-understanding is unfolding currently with the war in Ukraine. Brits do only understand black and white, cut out clichés about people and histories. Just to give you something to reflect and maybe to research - as a rule of thumb remember one thing for your experiences in Germany: the greener the person today, the browner the family background.
Can we please acknowledge that this gentleman and his family are in fact not noble? There is no nobility in Germany. They might have been noble in the past, but that nonsense doesn’t hold up anymore. With that logic I am also noble because I’m sure I and anyone with any European ancestry whatsoever can claim that they decent from Charlemagne. This "nobility" can be happy that they were allowed to shoehorn their old titles into their last name to keep fooling people who are easily impressed to this day.
Maybe it would be a nice topic for a video, nobility in Germany.
If you agree that such a thing as nobility exists, then he and his family are nobles, as are all noble houses from Germany.
@@CidVeldoril Nobility is a political and social term (and perhaps a hegemonic one).
As a political entity, they don't exist anymore in Germany, as OP pointed out.
As a social entity, they may lead a shadowy existence, but I'm pretty sure many more democratically-minded people find the entire notion of nobility rather abhorrent.
@@RagingGoblin Huge disagree on the social aspect. Honestly? The average person here in Germany doesn't give two flying fs about democracy. Democracy means going to election sunday every few years and voting in the same people who will do the same things. It's frustrating, boring and dull.
Now, nobility on the other hand? That's fun! Castles, titles, ballgowns and tiaras? Nobility is entertaining. Yeah, it's basically the same as any kind of celebrity worship, but with nobility you at least have tradition and tourism involved. Also cool events in castles, which is always nice.
@@CidVeldoril I'm not sure I'd allow you to speak on behalf of the 'average person here in Germany' because -- frankly -- you don't seem very average to me.
I'd tend to agree with you if you said that the average person in Germany isn't highly political -- but that's not the same as saying they're not democratically minded. You, personally, seem to have given up on democratic processes because of bad experiences, lack of involvement or perhaps, no slight intended, lack of education.
Nobility, to speak frankly, is the notion that some people are born better.
If you think that's entertaining, I can see why you find democracy dull, because you might just the type of person to vote against your own interest.
@@RagingGoblin The only thing not-average about me is that I consider myself average. Considering yourself to be special and "not the norm" is the most average thing you can do in this day and age.
I have given up on democracy precisely because of involvement and overabundance of education. It is way easier to believe in this stuff if you don't know how it works. True, Germany is a little better in the representation business than most, simply by virtue of us not having that archaic "first past the post" system, but on the other hand our political caste is..ah, not getting into that rant again.
Nobility is entertaining because of what it represents to the average person. The average person doesn't think "class struggle", but "Ooooh castles, knights and Downton Abbey!". Why do you think the UK royal family is so profitable? Branding. Branding that suggests whimsy and magic. Works with noble families in Germany as well. A "von" in the name still invokes images of high society and that little bit of "not normal" that makes shows like Downton Abbey or The Crown so enjoyable.
You can see how Denmark has degraded as a reformation crown has been in place for decades
To call Heinrich a "prince" is to mistranslated his German title. The German word that corresponds to prince is _Fürst._ Heinrich is a mere _Prinz._
The English "prince" has both meanings. For example, in the phrase "HRH Prince William, The Prince of Wales", the first "Prince" is translated into German as "Prinz", and the second _should_ be translated "Fürst" (but is usually mistranslated "Prinz"). He is a "Prinz" because he is a male descendant of a monarch, and "Fürst" because he reigns over the principality of Wales, but both are "prince" in English.
Heinrich is not the son of a king. His title indicates that he is a descendant of a _Fürst_ who reigned long ago. It is a minor title compared to William's. It is not usually translated. They are puffing this minor incident up so it can used as a modern Reichstag fire.
What is the english word for Nebelkerze?
literally: smoke candle - according to your intended meaning: red herring....
@@riccardodececco4404 Thank you.
What about Gaslighting? Is that similar? Or more specific for dialogs?
@@hushangpour3438 not really. A red herring is used like the Nebelkerze to distract or to blurr or cover a scene. "Gaslighting" is a strategy to convince the opposing party that her own perception of things is erring and based on false assumptions, and eventually: to doubt its own mental sanity in perceiving reality.
@@riccardodececco4404 Now i got it. Thank you very much for that.
Well this isn't one.
Have you mentioned that this was another far-right terrorist plot? .. I think you avoided?/forgot? to mention from which political corner that came .. i find it quite important to make a note of those things.
I mean, yeah, he could've mentioned that. Though the name "Reichsbürger" and the fact that it was a monarchist plot should be enough to inform anybody who isn't an idiot that these weren't communists, lol.
I am sure you just ignore it/dont take note of it as much, when radical left wing folks do crap here all the time dont you? I am german and there are far more radical leftist morons out there who openly b*tch against democracy and destroy random peoples property all the time. They are just so openly violent and dumb, they never get to organize anything bigger (thank God). There is only one difference between these stinking red rats and far right idiots...the far right ones actually know how to plan things out and they aquire ressources and influence. The only reason you hear about their plots more is because they are better at hiding them for longer and then its a big shock to everyone. Far left folks never get to the point, cause they are busy fighting over pronouns, pissing into the buildings they occupy and going to rehab.
Well maybe if the German monarchy wasn’t ousted in the early 20th century the rest of the century wouldn’t have been the nightmare it was not just for Germany but for the world. As an American I figured you Brits would be alright with the Prince’s reasoning considering your 1,000 year love affair with the Windsors.
On the contrary: the one thing we Brits learned from the English Civil War was that if you are going to have a monarch, it's really important that you keep them strictly out of politics and leave the running of the country to Parliament. Let the king have his weekly chit-chat with the Prime Minister, but everything else is off limits.
@@rewboss Yeah but that rarely works as well as you wish it did. These royals spend their lives being treated above everyone else and so they naturally believe themselves to be better than everyone else and yes even in politics. Queen Elizabeth 2 may have done a decent job of staying out of it, but trust me Charles won’t and neither will his self absorbed son William when he takes over. He is even Woker than his daddy. But back to my point considering the disaster that monarchyless Germany brought to the world last century, there is a good argument that world history would be far different had they not been deposed. Heck similar issue in Russia too, had the commies not killed off the Czar….No Stalin, No Cold War, no nuke threats and no Putin for that matter either.
I hope I’m forgiven for taking this raid and apparent coup with a massive grain of salt. All my alarm bells are just going off with it. Even though they are said to have had a plan, it doesn’t appear that actually did, they had no military support, administrative support, or foreign support, and you need all three and at least a supermajority of the first two, to be successful. Still less, as a monarchist myself, no real monarchist would propose this minor aristocrat for the Imperial dignity over the Hohenzollern’s, the Wittelsbachs, or any of the other high royal or princely families of the former Empire. Just too much doesn’t sound right or make sense with this situation
ofc it sounds ridiculous and wrong, but thats a given considered its irrational nutjobs who were planning all that. Dont expect a rational approach to a "problem" from someone clearly out of his mind. The insanity of their plans is what makes it legitimate and what people should expect from the Reichsbürger.
It wouldnt sound right if it were a logical and rational plan ... someone capable of that wouldn't be a Reichsbürger in the first place.
25 Senioren bringen die Bunteregierung zu fall?
No. But they might kill someone trying.
@@Uppermoore Zum Glück.
25 Senioren sind Drahtzieher, Ausbilder und Geldgeber. Den Umsturz machen andere.
Nun, wenn einige davon bewaffnet sind, sollte man nicht schauen, was für Schaden sie verursachen können, sondern einfach vorher eingreifen. Das Menschen ums leben kommen die Chance ist auch bei der Truppe nicht so gering. Ein Umsturz war unwahrscheinlich, ja.
@@El_Cattivo1988 Dann muss man es aber auch so schreiben. Z. B. das ein möglicher Amoklauf verhindert wurde. Und nicht ein Putsch. Das wirkt selbstverständlich lächerlich.
And is not the a common right of the people to engage in a revolution in any federal nation is it not a common right and the right full high crown is the grand son of the high crown that brought democracy so says the high crown of Hanover
He is not a prince. His name is Prinz.
Can we just get over clinging on old nobility?