Why is this station so neglected?
Vložit
- čas přidán 3. 08. 2024
- One of the main railway lines into Frankfurt looks badly neglected and out of keeping with some of the areas it serves. Time to look into why this is, and what (if anything) is being done about it.
Music:
"Style Funk" and "Hot Swing"
by Kevin MacLeod incompetech.com
Creative Commons Attribution licence
"Melancholia"
by Godmode
CZcams Audio Library
Chapter headings:
00:00 Intro
00:22 The state of the line
01:54 What is the S-Bahn?
04:35 Delayed upgrades
05:49 The plan
06:26 Urban decay by design
07:26 Outro
---------
Support me on Patreon for access to bonus content and more:
/ rewboss
Send letters and postcards to:
Rewboss
Postfach 10 06 29
63704 Aschaffenburg
Germany
Please don't send parcels or packages, or anything that has to be signed for.
---------
My website:
www.rewboss.com/
My blog:
rewboss.blogspot.com/
My Twitter feed:
/ rewboss
My Facebook profile:
/ rewboss - Auta a dopravní prostředky
I Like it to find stations like this.
Everywhere else everything is modernized all the time, but the railway is the only place where you can find unchanged strucutres and technology from many decades ago.
When i had a girlfriend in Ludwigshafen 10 years ago in 2011, i vistited her by train once, and at the abandoned station building there was a sign in one window that the ticket counter will be closed from August 1st 1970 on :D Time just stopped to pass on there, for 40 years.
Why invest money in a building which has no actual use? The DB sell this old buildings all the time, but it's hard to make something usefull out of them.
It's like an open-air museum.
Imagine, the person who set up that sign might be long dead for all we know.
My local train station (single tack line with hourly trains) still has it's old name written on the sign at the former ticket office.
The sign is ahr dto read but it still reads [part of town 1] - [part of town 2] which is outdated since 1971 when the 2 towns got merged. Until 2015 you could still see the higher platform formerly used for cargo (and I guess bags?) but it was demolished to raise the platform to 76cm.
The old ticket office is rotting away and I'm pretty sure nobody was inside of it in at least 2 decades. The windows are barricaded as well as the door.
Fun fact: Both Prague and Copenhagen have an S-Bahn abbreviated with an S. The "S" does not actually stand for anything in either Czech or Danish (In Denmark they used the backronym "station", but the S started showing up at S-tog stops in Copenhagen before that definition was given)
This video is the first time I heard it is supposed to stand for StadtSchnellBahn. Here in Austria we only call it Schnellbahn (fast train) which is really confusing, as it is the slowest of all trains (just faster then trams or underground trains). So the S not standing for anything is in fact "better" information that having it stand for it "fast train".
@@idnwiw In Berlin it is just Stadtbahn. Makes more sense don't you agree?
So do a number of Belgian cities and Milan in Italy.
And several other cities as well around Europe.
@@idnwiw "Schnellbahn" bezieht sich auf den Stadtverkehr. Innerhalb einer Stadt ist die S-Bahn ja meistens das schnellste (wenn es nicht noch nen Regionalexpress gibt)
Use public transport in the Rhein-Main-area. You can take many pictures of badly neglected train stations next to modern infrastructure of the highest possible standard.
USA infrastructure: Hold my beer
In rural Saxony we have badly neglected train stations next to badly neglected towns and villages.
I watched the introduction about Mainkur and Frankfurt Ost, and being from Frankfurt, I was already about to explain why things are the way they are. But then I thought wait.. this is rewboss, he doesn't just show something negative, I am sure he will explain things perfectly. And I couldn't have said it any better. ;-)
We had a station where the platform was literally grass.
The station from which I took the train to school every day back in the 1990s was the same. It was in the middle of nowhere, surrounded by fields with the occasional house dotted around. The actual village that the station was named after was about 2km away from it. But it still had trains in each direction stopping every hour. And it had a lot of bicycle stands which saw good use.
In Berlin we have stations that smell of grass.
Duisburg Hochfeld süd vibes
@@perdbeer6713 Usuallly not within the 'Ring'. As far as I know the further you go towards the outskirts/ suburbs the more likely it is that you think you are standing in the middle of a park.
we still have grass in brandenburg lol
Given the speed of infrastructure projects in Germany over the last decades, I wonder how they rebuild the country after the war at all.
There were lot's of minor stations where 1 dude sold tickets. There's an ticket automat there now
There is a low German idiom: "Wat mutt, dat mutt". It translates to something like, "What has to be done, has to be done" and means that if the need to do something is sufficiently dire, you'll find a way to make it work.
I suppose that's the main difference between the time right after the war and now: there are no dire needs anymore. Thus we have the freedom to regulate everything into impracticability.
@@lonestarr1490 Yeah, but it hasn't to be done, because there's no value in it in this case. In the 50s/60s there was a clerk in every town who sold tickets. Automatization, the dude has been vanished. My village bought one of this stations and it would cost over 1 Mio € to renovate it. If you can make something out it good, if it's just sunken cost- don't do it.
@@lonestarr1490 For sure. Also, I guess over the decades we've amassed a bunch or rules, that all make sense on their own, but all in all amount to just too much regulation.
I passed my A-Levels 1991 in Hanau, living in in Maintal-Dörnigheim then. Ever since then I've been told the S-Bahn north of the River Main is only five years away. Every now and then when I come back home from Berlin I like to pay Frankfurt-Ost a visit to shudder in disbelief how rotten down the station has gotten.
They're now supposedly planning a tunnel I think and a new overground line somewhere, and it all might connect with the underground rework of the Hauptbahnhof... I really don't know what'll come of it. Hopefully not equal to Stuttgart 21 in engineering ineptitude.
@@lillywho If you´ve good luck you will finally have something like Stuttgart 21 - where the construction work at least finally has started...
Looks like every other small town train station. That's their "be happy there are tracks and sometimes trains stop by" style ;-)
Reminds me of the town I used to live in here in Denmark. Our local station was basically two small narrow platforms slapped between the noise barriers and the track. If you felt adventurous you could go stand on the island platform, which was 2 meters wide, full of holes, barely above the track level and situated between two mainline tracks, were trains would pass by at 180 km/h every 15 minutes.
Imagine the day you're born, your parents hear good news that there will be a new train system. 35 years later, you're still hearing the good news while taking your child on this crappy train.
Yes, indeed.
It seems too common in Europe. In my town they promise to build new road bypass as it is really not sustainable to have about quarter of country to go through centre on something that is between road and stroad and planned in 30's and build shortly after WWII as it was necessary to rebuild it as Wehrmacht blew up about 6 or 7 bridges on short stretch, and it is still not finished after 30 years. Only luck is that town on other side of border had banned cars above 6t otherwise there would be even more trucks going through.
1:47 400 Bad request. Nice touch - that’s classic and all too frequent.
Although the name S-Bahn was chosen in 1930 (as a parallel to the U-Bahn), the Berlin S-Bahn is in fact much older than 1930. You could even argue it goes back as far as 1838 (the opening of the "Stammbahn" from Potsdam to Berlin's Potsdamer Bahnhof). But S-Bahn-like, exclusively regional/local rail systems have been around since the opening of Berlins Ringbahn in 1871.
As a citizen in the area of Stuttgart, I might add: the only thing that is worse then a neglected station is a station where they already started the modernization... but you already know that they won't finish for at least the next decade (if ever)...
Or the modernization is already done.
Look, there's a cool, new, futuristic, display on the platform, that shows you, that the next train is just 20 minutes late, without you having to wait for an announcement telling you the delay! Accessibility! Hurray!
(Rest of the platform is still a piece of garbage)
I live in the region and I love watching your videos. I’m learning so much about my home region and it’s so nice to see shots of familiar places in such well-made videos online
For that matter, the project to convert the line to the S-Bahn network has been greenlit a couple months ago so you can expect renovated stations in the next couple years. Hopefully, the line will finally exist sooner than later.
Hey Andrew, I see you are gaining a hundred more subscribers per day. Congratulations. Ich gönne es dir, mein Lieblings CZcamsr!
Germany has really let the railway infrastructure decline into a sorry state. I'm not talking about the trains or the permanent way, but the stations, signals and overhead catenary system. I live in the Netherlands and whenever I return home after being in Germany (and also Belgium) it's so nice to see clean and bright stations with no vegetation growing either on the track bed or the platforms. The Netherlands is a well-manicured country.
True. While I don't really mind how it is here in Germany (Ruhr Area specifically) I always enjoy how neat you guys keep everything when I visit once in a while.
Yes better maintained but slower for long distance foreign trains which must use the shared local tracks even if they only stop in Arnhem, Utrecht and Amsterdam. If those could be faster less people would choose to fly from Frankfurt to Amsterdam as the trip time (including airport time) is close.
Cool vid. Awesome to see your videography/camera word and post-production so refined.
The problem is you can’t expect people change from car to public transport if stations looks like this. In Germany are a lot of railway station looks like Frankfurt Mainkur.
Indeed - unfortunately. And you can´t forbid short-haule-flights like many environmental activists wants to do it without running a proper railway system. And the stations are only one problem of the railway system and probably not even the worst.
A very smart observation at the beginning of the video! I never thought about it. I really like your channel, thank you.
Great video! Informative and well constructed with great footage. I have lived in Frankfurt and am a transit and rail nerd.
I was shocked in the past years to see how derelict some stations in Germany were when traveling from the Netherlands where stations are often in excellent condition. Especially the track hall in Duisburg when coming from Arnhem... It had nets above the tracks to prevent debris from the dilapidated roof falling on travelers heads! But when I started looking into that a bit I found that the plan is to replace the entire roofing structure by a new one as a grander plan to renew 150 stations in NRW starting 2022. Well, here's hoping that doesn't get delayed any further...
Kann nicht glauben dass ich dieses Video tatsächlich vollständig gesehen habe. Irgendetwas undefinierbares an der Art mit der du dieses unfassbar trockene Thema rüberbringst macht es unterhaltsam
IT'S REWBOSS !!!
new video? immediate click, like, and then watch! :-)
It must be very frustrating to wait for the (re)building or extension of public transport, especially rail services. Come here to Bangkok and learn how an urban rail/monorail system is built quickly.
Large investments in a line are not the only thing: you need travellers as well. When you have misstreated your travellers away for such a long time, you start with much fewer users, which is bad for investments. So: I is very probable that minor improvements to buildings which will get destructed will pay-off later. Certainly when plans are not yet executed.
The half hourly service was bursting Pre-C with 150meter trainsets and additional peak relief trains because even with the stations in their state of disrepair, the route itself is well kept and a far superior option to the heavily congested Hanauer Landstraße and it's jams.
I mean, these stations look alright-ish, there are some horrid stations in the Ruhr area, too, which shouldn't be neglected by design.
Duisburg Main Station for example has >10 platforms, and is also slowly falling apart. There was a plan to rebuild it, starting 2018 or so, I think.
In 2021 there are some nice stickers on some walls inspired by the way the rebuilt main station is supposed to look, so that's something!
nice video :) been a while since I've been in Germany, but those stations for sure seem familiar, as neglected as they are.
I'm in Canada. We are sometimes given the impression that Germany is some sort of Commuter paradise. I love the candid dose of reality.
I currently travel between Toronto and a small city called Peterborough. It has excellent highway service, but one neglected freight line to Toronto which hasn't had passenger service since about 1984 (many of the stations have literally rotted away). The Federal government recently announced that it would be on the route for a new high speed passenger service from Toronto, Ottawa to Montreal (it's about 60 kilometres away from the Lake Ontario and just outside the urbanized area of Toronto - think on the edge of classic Canawilderness
In terms of frequency of connectivity, even the bad stations in this video are way better than most Canadian ones.
I mean even in the Toronto metro area some lines still don't have all day service, while these shitty stations in the video get a train every 30 minutes all day long
Not a paradise. Public transport of some sort is almost everywhere, but you can't say that the service is good and it's a pleasure to use. Actually it's been going downhill in the past 20ish years.
"SS Bahn" never was really official, and S-Bahn was btw introduced in late 1930.
Thank you for editing. Nice one :-)
I love how the new station building at Frankfurt Ost litteraly looks like a freight container :D
35 years so far? Lets hope they don't put the team that built the new Berlin airport in charge.
At least this team would have experience... :-)
"The good citizens of Offenbach" - let me stop you there, Offenbach is a pretty bad place.
Alle Offenbacher sind Verbrecher, denn sie klauen Aschenbecher. Oh, wait, that sounds... wrong.
Almost everything bordering Frankfurt (including vast parts of Frankfurt itself) is a run down ugly mess
@@CrazyKraut20 What a statement
@@CrazyKraut20 tell that to the wankers in Kronberg
Well if I meet a car with registration plate from Offenbach, in 80-90% of the cases the driver behaves like an idiot... (which doesn't mean necessarily driving fast, but driving dangerous)
So true on that line! Ostbahnhof is as you say, no better :)
Fascinating video, thanks!
It's DB, a delay of 37 years is nothing to worry about.
Very well done!
Hi rewboss,
This is your best video by far! It feels kind of artsy or is it just me??? =)
at 3:26 in your map you are missing the S-Bahn Rostock. Otherwise: phenomenal video! I really enjoyed it and the information presented.
Mainkur and Frankfurt Ost are special cases, as there are plans to create an S-Bahn System on that rail line for decades now,... with no progress
I lived at Frankfurt Ost in the building next to the one at 1:31 for 2 years - in the south of the railway line. Over the last decade they really built lots of housing like in 1:31 on that side of the tracks; a completly new suburban area around Ferdinand-Happ-Str developed. Right next to the station. BUT… the Station only has an exit to the north side of the tracks. You have to walk through a seperate tunnel created for the U-Bahn to reach the other side of the tracks. I barely used the trains there - if you wanna get into the City, you take the U-Bahn 6 or tram 11.
Reminds me a little bit of the Bregenz train station at Lake Constance. Although it was rebuilt in the 1980s, around 15 years ago it was decided that it should be replaced. Ever since then ÖBB has given up on properly maintaining the station. It's not as bad as Frankfurt Ost, but still... Paneling missing, graffiti, empty shops, because their lease was terminated in anticipation of the reconstruction etc. Meanwhile the whole project has been delayed and delayed and delayed...
Where did you hear that Ffm-Ost will be completely replaced by the underground station? As far as I know, it will only receive an additional underground station for the S-Bahn, while the mainline services will still be stopping in the current overground station.
The commuter platforms will stay. There will still be REs calling because of the EZB, but probably only once per hour.
Around 1982 the VR wanted to close Healesville station, the locals threatened to give the station building it’s first coat of paint since 1947. Which they did. The line was soon closed and is now a tourist railway for part of the length.
Holy moly, I recently got out at Mainkur station and thought the same thing: "Why does this palce look so neglected? Is this even a real station?" Funny to get an answer so quickly and randomly.
Du solltest erstmal unsere Bahnhöfe hier sehen, die auch von der Straßenbahn benutzt werden - in anderen Ländern würde man sie gar nicht als Bahnhöfe erkennen und die Lokalitäten (zu Recht) als Hundeklos ansprechen. Natürlich ist seit den letzten Renovierungen ein Weltkrieg darüber hinweggezogen, das muß man berücksichtigen, und es kann nicht alles sofort und als Erstes wiederaufgebaut werden.
By the way: the flying horses of Frankfurt Ost are gone? Too bad, they were the only pretty thing there. And you should have filmed the tunnel in rainy weather
As someone living near Stuttgart 21 I am wishing this railway project all the best... but I wouldn't expect too much...
At first sight, I thought Mainkur was Darmstadt Nord ^^
Hey Mainkur and Frankfurt Ost just look like the station of my hometown! My hometown and the DB are fighting for over 10 years who should pay what amount...
lol, didnt know that. Would be awkward to be in Germany and announce to use the "SS" to get from a to b hehe
Good riddance to that talk of "SS-Bahnen"! After all, who wants to ride on a secret police train?
Well in the Final days of ww II the troops could use the s-bahn to reach the frontier lines. So, you could say, the ss hadcto use the ss-bahn ...
3:11 "Schnell! Get into the SS train!" 😬
I would not hold my breath either...
The place I live now is basically cut into half by a rather busy (freight and commuting) railway line with raiway barriers in 5 places, being lowered at train rush hours 30-40 minutes an hour nowadays. An underpass was planned very early on - the excavators and dump trucks, however, which already had been moved on site, had to be retracted on the day the were supposed to start digging, as it was the outbreak of Word War I and they were needed elsewhere...
Ever since, there have been plans announced.
In 2021, I think, they started to build an underpass for pedestrians and wanted to continue with one for cars. However, dues to the pandemic and such, there were not workers. So the railway line was blocked for weeks several times, with very little work going on, and after that, in 2022, the Deutsche Bahn declared that the next time window in which they could go on would be in 5 years at it's earliest. Up to then, the construction site in the middle of the town would just have to stay as it is... Upon protests of practically everybody, they at least finished the pedestrians underpass. And might even resume construction work next summer, as I recently read. But - I am not holding my breath. Again.
If you look at most of the stations of the Berlin S-Bahn you're going to find similar pictures of neglect and disrepair...
I am interested in both trains and Germany, and I did not know about this! I hope those S-Bahn changes are actually implemented! After all, I don't think a station like Mainkur or Frankfurt Ost is the sort of thing I would like to arrive at!
Does it really matter how the station looks?
The only thing that annoys me in stations like these is when the tunnel smells like pee. But other than that, why would it matter to me?
You live and learn! 😃
Thanks for being so informative - on my many trips through Frankfurt I wondered if I was in the right one (am Main or an der Oder)! Frankfurt Hoechst is just as grim. Now I know why I gave up visiting the Rheintal in favour of the Allgaeu.
Höchst was completly (well almost) rebuild on plattform level in 2019 including elevators. But given the fact that it is still within Höchst, the station is rapidly transformed back into it's prior state of vandalised ugliness.
Osts plattforms and the part of the underpass actually under the trackbed were completley rebuild in 2018. You can see what it again looks like now, laying within a part of the town with equaly problematic "citizens"...
Alles dauert seine Zeit. Als die Bahnstrecke in meiner Heimat 1928 fertiggestellt wurde, wurde auf dem Bahndamm bereits Platz für ein zweites Gleis gelassen, das man bald ergänzen wollte. 93 Jahre später ist es immer noch nicht da und wie die S-Bahn-Strecke in Frankfurt ein Dauerthema in den Zeitungen, weil wieder irgendein Politiker verkündet hat, dass das Projekt bald kommen würde :)
6:23 sadly this will reduce service at Ostendstrasse 😥
Your story of non-happenings on your local S-Bahn are very similar to those about the restoration of service to the one-time engineering marvel known as the Lackawanna Cutoff. For that one, I'm not holding my breath, either. ;)
This situation is way worst in China... CR (China railway) is only good at operating long distance train and cargo trains. (We have a very cheap but very convenient and decent long distance passenger railway system, that's rare across the world.) But due to it is state owned, not city owned. CR can't feel the benefit of its service that developed the city or TOD. Investigating so much at commuter train, while occupying more profitable long distance/cargo trains' slots, makes CR just ignore any commuter train demand. And even worse, CR is formerly a department at nation level, it has same power of a province... Even Beijing government are just "equal level" as CR... Beijing gov subside S trains in Beijing for hundreds millions per year, but CR still very lazy at providing any commuter trains.
While the rest of China, most stations (including many small cities main stations) are closed for passenger service. And force most mid distance travel (I mean 10~200km, that's very long for other countries) to long distance coach or bus service. BTW, our airspace is controlled by China air force... causing LCC airlines way expensive than rails.
Also, same for Beijing East railway station, you can see the CBD's skyscrapers there, but the station in front of you is just as poor as the ost bahnhof in the video...
As always, you bring us great information!
I took Amtrak from St. Louis to Chicago, Milwaukee, Minneapolis, Spokane, Portland, and Sacramento. All of the big cities are nasty going in and coming out of each of them from both directions! Graffiti should be a Federal crime punishable by a sentence of ten years, spent doing community clean-up.
I would still ride trains if America had any. I can't imagine even twice a day service from my location to local big cities.
Ah, yes. What is more American than an overly-punitive police state?
Wasn't there an Accella train accident in Philadelphia about a decade back where the cause was excessive speed but it turns out the driver had been shot at previously from the neighborhood so was driving fast to get out from the danger?
@@Glaggle I wasn't speaking for the American State, It's just my personal opinion of assholes who don't mind shitting all over other peoples property.
Wenn die DB einen Bahnhof "auffrischt", muß das nicht unbedingt zum Vorteil des Bahnhofs sein. Besonders bei den Farben hat die DB ein blindes Händchen. So z.B. beim "Aussegnungshallen-Weiß" was bei Köln-Deutz und dem Nürnberger Hbf zum Einsatz kam. Warum reißt man die Gebäude nicht nieder und läßt eine Schutthalde übrig, wenn man Fahrgäste vertreiben will? - Heinz
Bei uns ist das beliebte Staubgrau der dominierende Farbton, aufgelockert mit frischbraunen Kackelementen (kein Wunder, da die Toiletten seit einem halben Jahrhundert geschlossen sind, um Verunreinigungen durch Benutzung zu vermeiden).
Well ... at least BER doesn't seem to be the record holder for delays.
We wouldn't have had to rush around like that.
This is rather good - or is it unfortunate - timing, coming on the back of a train drivers‘ strike that wrecked not only most train services but also SBahn lines for two days. My husband was due to travel across Germany to The Netherlands yesterday, instead he had to go by plane - so much for the German commitment to the environment. In fact, due to the S-Bahn strike he couldn’t even get to the train station. Here in Berlin we‘re used to the stations looking rubbish - we just want the trains to run.
Here in the Netherlands every station is pretty well maintained, though the worst state I have ever seen a train station in was at Vorden; the station building had its windows boarded up and the platform (as well as the sidewalk just outside the station) was _covered_ in squashed cockchafers. It was May when I went there, so the critters were all swarming around, though the problem was by far worse in Vorden than anywhere else on the network.
the thing is the German Railroads which is the owner of the station buildings actually gets rid of many old station buildings, sells them to private investors and the cities and they don't have any further need and use for the building itself and only run the bare station with its platform and other basic facilities. This is often true for minor stations.
@@EnjoyFirefighting Around here a lot of buildings have been demolished too, but at least the stations are well maintained.
I was very surprised when I arrived the first time by train in Frankfurt Hbf (central station).
Just across the station you first have to pass through the big red light district to then get to the financial/shopping disctricts.
It's very common to have red-light districts near train stations and harbours.
Ja, es ist ein weiter Weg vom Hbf zum Diebsgrund (Adresse der Dt Bundesbank).
When you cross into Denmark there’s a national law that property along the right of way be kept clean and pleasantly landscaped. It’s like leaving Dorothy’s black and white farmhouse and stepping into Munckinland in color.
This brit has though me more about my home country Germany than most germans
You miss the eye on the daily inconveniences, if you pass somewhere every day. Betriebsblindheit.
In Sydney and Melbourne we have some rundown stations, I call them mouldy stations but they are slightly better nowadays, I have a publication which shows some Melbourne suburban stations in the 1970s and it was an eye opener how rundown they were then. In particular Seddon station which was eventually replaced. We don’t have any “Metro” trains in the European sense. But some are being built in Sydney.
Cool tractor!!! :-)
In the Rhein-Main area this line is one of the last (THE last?) line to get S-Bahn service.
Other German metro areas are off far worse: If you want to look at REALLY terrible stations and also just bad service, look at the Rhein-Ruhr-area.
There is STILL no S-bahn between Köln and Bonn! One is Germanys forth largest city with over 1 million inhabitants and the other the former capital, with around 350.000 inhabitants. If we're lucky it's going to be finished in 2035...
And in the Ruhr area the service frequency is just terrible, and they started replacing the S-bahn trains with regional trains (which have fewer doors and are often shorter), but they still call them S-bahn...
> There is STILL no S-bahn between Köln and Bonn! […]
I mean, there's the RB26, which basically behaves like a S-Bahn between Cologne Main Station and Bonn Main Station, stopping at every station in between. Even goes every hour! (sarcasm)
Yeah, going more south than cologne, by public transport, is a bit of an ordeal in NRW 😅
@@niduroki At the very least there‘s an alternative in the form of the Stadtbahn services 16 and 18 on the former KBE railway lines … with slow, insufficient 60 m long light rail vehicles
@@ft4709 And single track sections only allowing those 60m vehicles to operate every 20 minutes, at least on the Brühl-Bonn section...
I know some people find those kinds of stations charming, but I really dislike when a railway doesn't care for its stations, I just find it immensely sad that these places that are so important to people's day to day life are allowed to rot, and that it gives the impression that trains are rough, old fashioned and dangerous
Reminds me of the suburban stations in Mannheim, Rheinau and Neckarau. They are just places for graffitists to practise on now.
Some of us in North America would love to even have a passenger train. They shut down and don't get replaced here.
Sehr gutes Video über die nordmainische S-Bahn / very good video about the nordmainische S-Bahn
Next, do a video about Frankfurt 21 / Fernbahntunnel Frankfurt
It's also that the Deutsche Bahn is financially responsible for maintaining infrastructure whereas the state is financially responsible for building new infrastructure. You can see where that leads.
I always take it to stand for Stadtbahn, because in Berlin that means something different to what it means in other cities.
Yes, indeed.
I always get the impression S Bahn is a high frequency regional service generally run by the national rail company whereas U Bahn's is generally run by the local authority.In Francophone countries S Bahn's are generally known as RER's.In England they named the equivalent after a Queen who signed the rail privatization bill and made the PM who introduced the bill into Sir John Major!
Thanks for the video. But I wouldn't mention Ortenau-S-Bahn and Breisgau-S-Bahn in this context. Both were more like a Regionalbahn (you also mentioned that kind of trains). They also didn't use the green S-Bahn logo. Also the routes weren't called S1, S2, ..., but their route naming system was more like used for Regionalbahn/-express. At least on the route of the Ortenau-S-Bahn that goes to Strasbourg you'll find French TER trains from time to time, which are also when looking on their name more like the Regionalbahn in Germany.
Both companies stopped existing in the 2010s because of new rules when such companies want to apply for servicing such a railway route. Most of their routes and trains are now operated by their parent company SWEG.
I'm also thinking that S-Bahns are made cheaper by having toilets less likely than Regionalbahn or Regionalexpress. I also never saw more staff than the train driver on board (except for occasionally checks by ticket inspectors). That's also what SWEG does. In contrast to that, every train by Deutsche Bahn I know (incl. Regional...) always has toilets and a train conductor who also checks all the tickets.
Regarding toilets: I think this is more because of the rapit transit (metro) function of the S-Bahn, considering that the older systems use three to four pairs of doors per car, trains are high floor and the lines are rather short compared to a typical Regionalbahn line. It's especialy noticeable with Baureihe 423 and its derivate 425, since they have a similar appearance but the former features the aforementioned rapid transit characteristics while the latter is low-floor, have only two pairs of doors per car and... do feature toilets.
Frankfurt Ost will not closed down. The new line is only a additional route for the S-Bahn. There will be 4 tracks in the end. Two used by the S-Bahn, two used by the other trains. The RB-Services will be replaced by the S-Bahn services, so that the old routes will have more capacity for the long distance services and the fast regional services. But the old route will keep the stations at Maintal and Frankfurt Ost.
Thats the same as the wait for a new "Masters of the Universe" noncartoon movie. There were so many directors hired and so many scripts written, you can't even count them. And that is nearly from the time of the last movie 1987. So we wait since 34 years.
With plans like that you probably had the same 'consultants' as Crossrail & HS2.
Haha Nice, da war (bin) ich ab und zu wegen VAB-RMV Übergangstarif ist das günstiger.
Beautiful sadness. I love it.
They did the same with my school building, letting it rot because they thought about building a new one.
The school i did go before that did go from a building built directly after the war (so shoddy construction) to a bnuilding that was renovated a few years back but already had fungi in multiple classrooms. IF they stopped using it as school they would have had to pay back the grants the eu gave them to renovate it. I always wondered what they renovated when a third of the classrooms had fungi....
The separation into to Metro-Systems, S-Bahn and U-Bahn originated in Berlin, U-Bahn had more narrow cars, in order to dig only narrow tunnels, and Both S-Bahn and U-Bahn (in Berlin) had an earth bound third electricity rail, which made them incompatible with conventional rail, up to today.
All other cities made slight copies of this idea, but must often with conventional railway equipment, S-Bahn was more a matter of route and timetable design.
Over the years, they got these separate stations or platforms in stations, to avoid conflicts with long distance traffic. In Franfurt, it's technicly only tunnel heigh separating some specialized routes. S-Bahn tunnel cannot be used with double-decker-cars or Cargo.
Today you have trams in the tunnel, U-Bahn overground, S-Bahn underground, any kind of combination.
even when power is a third rail for U-Bahn and S-Bahn, they are incompatible in Berlin because one is accessed from below and one from above
3:27 my Hometown is missing, we got an S-Bahn. Only one line is actually like an S-Bahn, the other should be labelled Regional Trains instead, but still that one line is a proper S-Bahn ;-).
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rostock_S-Bahn
Karlsruhe is missing as well although they're a special case. They have implemented a system with special trains that can use both the tram tracks within the city and the regular DB tracks in the surrounding area with several connections between the two networks along the city's borders. The most extreme case is S5 that goes from Bietigheim-Bissingen which is also part of Stuttgart's S-Bahn network through Vaihingen, Mühlacker, Pforzheim, Wilferdingen, Karlsruhe (right through the pedestrian area in the city center) to Wörth where sometimes change labels to S51/S52 and continue all the way to Germersheim which borders the Rhein-Neckar S-Bahn, all in all about a 3 hour journey.
Offenbach Hauptbahnhof (central station of a city with more than 120K people living there) lost all long distance trains, as the S-Bahn Citytunnel was opened. This central station is also in a pretty bad shape. There ist nothing there. No shops, no service, not even an elevator or escalator. Only regional trains stop here. It's kind of sad.
Ist halt Offenbach! Frankfuft ist halt wichtiger und eutlich größer ...
Sei froh, es hätte schlimmer kommen können. Braunschweig hat es in gewisser Hinsicht schlimmer getroffen. Viele ICEs fahren nur über das wesentlich kleinere benachbarte Wolfsburg und nicht über das deutlich größere Braunschweig. Und alles nur wegen VW!
@@barbarossarotbart Alle Fernzüge brettern durch Offenbach auch nur noch durch. Das ist nur noch ein Regionalhalt. Und nennt sich peinlicherweise immer noch "Hauptbahnhof".
@@YesterchipsMIG Das Haupt in Hauptbahnhof beschreibt ja auch eher die Regionale Bedeutung. Wenn eine Stadt mehrere Bahnhöfe hat ist derjenige der am meisten angefahren wurde oder in Zentraler LAge war/ist halt der Hauptbahnhof gewesen.
Und wenn so eine Bahnstation mal ein Hauptbahnhof war aber kaum noch genutzt wird, nennt man den ja nicht einfach um.
@@dirkspatz3692 Es wäre aber deutlich weniger peinlich für die Stadt Offenbach. An einem Hauptbahnhof erwartet man doch, dass man dort einen Bäcker oder Imbiss vorfindet, oder einen Frisör, oder zumindest eine Dönerbude. Hier gibt es aber wirklich gar nichts mehr.
@@YesterchipsMIG Das ist nicht peinlich, das ist ganz normal. Wenn es innerhalb einer Stadt noch einen weiteren Bahnhof gibt, trägt der größere der beiden immer den Zusatz Hauptbahnhof, selbst wenn da nur noch Regionalzüge halten. Nur wenn ein Ort auch nur einen Bahnhof hat, entfällt dieser Zusatz.
Here in Britain we envy the German transport systems - go into any medium to large city and you'll find the main station connecting to buses, trams, underground and metro lines. Even major cities like Birmingham have only just got a (single line) metro.
We have to pay way more even for local train trips, but I don't think I've seen a badly managed - even rundown - BR station , at least since the 80s. A benefit of privatisation?!
Re: first impressions of a town: This is an advantage of Stuttgart 21. The first impression visitors will get is of a tunnel.Then they can transfer to the Stadtbahn (not to be confused with the S-Bahn) or the S-Bahn (not to be confused with the Stadtbahn) and stay underground. For a while anyway.
Second impression: runaway baggage trolleys, leaky roofs, etc. If that certain episode of Die Anstalt is anything to go by.
Come and look at Antwerp South station in Belgium ... (“Antwerpen Zuid”) ...
huh! i always wondered what exactly people meant when they said s-bahn, because here in my city we dont really use that word? we have the trains, so the RBs and REs (and if youre fancy ICEs), buses and just "die Bahn" which is i guess an S-Bahn (we use that word rarely, but if we do we mean a Straßenbahn...) which has above and below ground stations, runs on its own rails shared with no other transportation and runs most of the day 6 times an hour for all 4 lines in all directions. but it doesnt go outside the city, so its really just locally. i guess we differentiate and call them "zug" and "bahn" even though the züge are run by the deutsche bahn...words are hard
If you don't use the word S-Bahn in your city than you don't have an S-Bahn.
@@Jehty_ thats the thing though, some people do 😅 thats why i was always confused, i thought s-bahn just meant Straßenbahn or maybe Stadtbahn (which is what the city website calls the bahn) 😅 but i guess thats just people also not knowing what the difference is and assuming the colloquial name for the stadtbahn is s-bahn... too many words that start with "s" 😬
That is so interesting! I was there and wondered why the fuck a Frankfurt City Station is in such desperate disrepair!
Interesting to see these images, I havent come across something so aweful ever here in the Netherlands.
There are many minor stations where 1 clerk sold tickets. Today there's an automat, problem solved. DB sells this old stations all the time
1:19 "...which has also been bombed. ...wait, no, that's just what it looks like."
I recommend you stations like Montcada Bifurcació and Barcelona - El Clot
There are even bigger projects: A new mainline under the Main (finally a Mainline worth the name!) because that's the only place that won't either collide with existing underground lines or affect the foundations of skyscrapers. That should allow through trains to serve the central station without reversing directions.
And then call it Frankfurt 22? That won't cause any problems.....
@@jordidebont9547 In contrast to Stuttgart 21, the project in Frankfurt actually serves a purpose for rail travel...
S-Bahn sytems are confusing. There are only three things that you can rely on: All of them are electric and they run on standard gauge of 1435mm ( 4' 8.5") . And they are marked with that white S against a green background. That's it. In some cities, such as Hamburg, they are managed by the city's public transport system, in others they belong to Deutsche Bahn, DB. In some cities they have a life-rail down at the track, in others they have overhead wires. In contrast to trams they have their own network of track that is independent from the streets which allows faster journeys and they are of course roomier than trams. We live in the country in what is called "Metropolregion Hamburg" and that means we can buy a ticket from the bus-driver right here in our village that allows us to get to the train station in the next town, change to a regional train that takes us to Hamburg and use the metro, the S-Bahn, the harbour ferries or buses in Hamburg to get to our destination. A few years ago the S-Bahn to the airport was opened, very convenient indeed: no parking fees, no problem of getting there in time.
"S-Bahn runs on Standard gauge" Switzerland and Italy: Hold my beer...
@@sethanix3969 Yes, they are standard gauge unlike trams which run on narrower gauges. Where is your problem?
@@christiankastorf1427 My "problem" is, that you said there is no S-train on narrow gauge. Italy and Switzerland agree to disagree, as both have S-trains on meter gauge. ;)
5:15 Suit jacket and checkered shorts? 😱
Wait. That’s neglected? You should see some of the stations I’ve seen personally in Australia, and from friends and family in the US!
At least everything actually needed to run the station is being upkept. Including lighting, timetables and a working clock that even got repaired last year after being broken by a stone threwn through the glass...
The name of the Berlin S-Bahn goes back to 1930, the S-Bahn itself goes back to 1870 with the Ringbahn connecting various other light raailway lines.
Which btw is where the London tube got the idea for the Circle Line from. Basically the Brits stole the layout of the actual rail system and the Germans stole the design of the map.
the berlin U-Bahn station Wittenbergplatz even got an original london station sign with its name (as a gift, not stolen :-)