(First Release) Mirage F1CE First Impression, Flight Dynamics and Analysis (DCS)
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- čas přidán 27. 07. 2024
- First impression of the Aerges Mirage F1CE flight dynamics and its analysis. This is solely from a flight characteristics perspective. I leave graphics analysis to others who have supercomputers.
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Re the stall behaviour and riding on thrust - that is completely accurate. The F-1 endeared itself to its pilots by being rock steady where other highly-loaded singles (we are looking at you, F-104) would literally kill you without warning
Glad to hear it 👍🏻
Half of the family of one of the developers (Fernandez de Bobadilla) are or were fighter pilots in the Spanish Air Force, including his father that is a retired Mirage F1 pilot. He retired as General if I´m not wrong. For sure the people of Aerges have had the best first hand information about the Mirage and the best beta testers 😀
Last people I trust about planes are pilots who flew them, like fishermen, the fish they caught was always bigger than their arm, lol. I'm just kidding, its really good, I got it do do some really cool stuff for the combat video (not out yet), people's jaws will drop. Only issue I thought it had was the stalls, someone said they were correct, maybe they are. Its a really good flying module.
There actually may be an issue with some underperformance in some areas, I'll have that video out last. I haven't confirmed it other than a couple of passes in those areas, but again if anything, the real one was a better performer. We'll see.
@DeusVult1527 well, cant blame Aerges for what Dassault did. Plus real life you have better vision than even 4K. If anything, if anything we should use cockpit lights for videos. But in any case, your eyes should be outside the cockpit when flying, nothing to see inside (as my first instructor kept reminding me quarter of a century ago 🤣)
@DeusVult1527 left alt + L helps a bit.
@DeusVult1527 i found that its worse on video/stream, in game it isnt that bad
You might have just talked me into yet another module... My bank card hates you lol
🤣🤣🤣, but ED and Aerges love you ❤❤
The only sad part ... is that I only subscribed and seen your channel just now. Amazing first impression.
Welcome, I've been here 12 years, maybe I'll be here another 12, lol. Never too late
This is a solid 1st impression video imo thanks 👍
Glad you liked it! Thanks
Really awesome flight behaviour with that plane, I did some dogfighting with it and I got into what I guess where flatspins however they were quite easily recoverable with some rudder action. What was not recoverable were the ton of engine failures I had when in high G, high AOA situations. Also, when going fast at low altitudes, there us buffeting and the engine shuts down. Overall I really feel like the main thing to be careful with in that plane isn't necessarily ripping your wings or getting into a stall, but really not letting your engine die on you.
Excellent job with that video, am looking forward to seeing if the aircraft is realistic as per the irl performance charts.
Even the F-104 will flame out at SL at 765 kts (I think). Even MiG-25 could achieve a few more kts. Its tge airflow, it overheats the engine I belive.
@@FSX404 absolutely ! The cool thing is that I believe this may be the only plane in DCS to have that behaviour (apart from the mig21 I think), and overall, I feel like I'm shutting down a lot more engines in the f1 than any other DCS modules when I first learned them, especially in dogfights.
There is also a behaviour I don't quite understand, sometimes, when pulling really really hard (without breaking your wings), the engine starts buffeting and it only stops when the engine totally shuts down (in a minute or two), I've tried slowing down, going faster, getting higher up or higher down, and I can't seem to get rid of that buffeting, also, after it shuts down, air restaring isn't possible which is an indication that the engine got totally fried.
Pretty cool I must say, very powerful engine for it's time but you gotta be careful with it.
I noticed that at low altitude too, Throttle just out of the afterburner gate, heard the distinctive banging and watched the flame flicker quite spectacularly. Fantastic attention to detail. Personally I like the idea of temperamental Jets in DCS, it really gives them character and a challenge for the veteran players where flying modern American Jets just isn't that difficult anymore.
Look who's getting large and in charge! Glad to see this contributor get views and new subs.
Good vid GVad. Keep up the great content.
Good to know that the performance it’s there . Thanks for testing.
Well, the handling for the most part is there, we'll see about the performance.
This is a solid video. Good stuff.
Dangit!
Glad I am subscribed.
I was afraid reviews like yours would start to make me vulnerable to "premature" purchase. Lol
I was hoping to make the MB-339 my next purchase. Looks like I will be using the ED miles earned from this on the MB-339... 😂
I bought the C-101 Aviojet, on sale, a couple of years ago as a way to reward the developers and hopefully fund future interesting cold war Jets just like this.
Looks like a very good launch.
Thanks, it handles well, we'll see how it performs. Its delicate right now. Not an easy plane to fly in combat.
Great analysis !
Looks like another worthy addition to my cold war hangar
Now that was a great video.Thank you. My favorite module so far. It feels real. I know the devs worked with some real life F-1 pilots so we'll see what they'll do with the lack of nose dropping in the future 🙂 or maybe it really handles like a rocket😆Fun fact: tapping H controls helmet visor.
Good content ,keep it coming 😀I’ll subscribe and keep my eyes open 😀
See, you did your video correctly. I see what the plane can do in testing, with the review in tact. Thank you.
Good stuff G
F1 is my new favorite DCS module, it is fun and has so much personality
Great vid
I love how you said "If you're looking for grahics, this is not for you" and zoomed downed to the pixels :D
Its just a transition between cuts in different scenes, lol.
Regarding adverse yaw: it's not caused by the effect you've described in this aircraft. The Mirage F1 uses _spoilerons_ to assist with roll. Spoilerons cause pro-verse yaw, because they add asymmetric drag inwards of the roll direction. The reason there is significant adverse yaw instead - assuming flight modelling is correct - is because of the yaw damper. Although the yaw damper is always going to have a washout filter in order to reduce the adverse yaw it induces (it only damps high frequency oscilations and lets low frequency ones - such as an actual turn - through), there always will be some left, especially if the purpose of the damper is to eliminate proverse yaw in the first place.
sure, now go fly the plane and stop reading about it, and dont you dare pull out a schematic! lol
Oh shit I better correct myself
@@ascherlafayette8572 I turned the yaw dampener off and redid it, same thing. So either the devs just used adverese yaw for both, or didnt bother to remove the yaw when dampeners are off. In either case, glad its there.
I love the video! Thanks a lot! You've got a new sub ;)
Maybe you could us show the controlls next time? It would have been very interesting to see your rudder inputs during the low speed flight passage.
Thank you, might do that. Whats the key to show it?
@@FSX404 Awesome! It's right CTRL and Enter
@@Loopan68 thanks
Mirage f1 is a fkn fantastic machine
I’m loving the F1! Though I’d love an F1AZ. 😉
My dad had a FIAT once, I wasnt impressed, lol
will this module come in the 14 day trial version?
I really want to try it but dont hv the budget now
Good analysis, have you went to the official forums and asked the devs about the powered stall or lack of one therein?
They seem to be somewhat accurate, F1 stalls nose up, then nose drops down. And some pilots insist that with the AB on you can maintain the nose up attitude, but not sure if it would climb like it did.
@@FSX404 hmmm, if they insist..... but climbing at that AoA? Does this plane greater then 1:1 TWR at altitude and stall mach/aorspeed? I find that a bit odd.
Hey could you test out the extent to which the engine flameouts are modeled and how this could affect which maneuvers we can use in a dogfight, Ive heard the engine cuts out during negative G
yes, the engine cuts out about 2-3 seconds into negative, but comes back on as long as you immediately go positive, unlike the MiG21 that flames out. Engine also has an issue if you are 250-400 kts and you yank it up like a cobra maneuver, it will start getting compressor stalls and doesn't recover. Eventually flames out. Stalls are OK at lower altitudes, no engine issues, but I havent done a high altitude stall, where a lot of jet engines will flame out if air flow is interrupted. I'll cover somenof tbisbstuff in my part 2 combat video.
I just flew a perfect dogfight where everything happened, and I could have used for the second video, then found out I didnt record it!!!
I'm done for tonight, lol, I'll redo it tomorrow and post it for you guys, show you what to do in this plane, and what not to do.
@@FSX404 coolio
Per slow flight the spin while using ailerons isn't necessarily true. While i am no fighter pilot i've put many aircraft IRL into slow flight which is 5 knots above your VsO. In turns you use very very gentle movements of all your controls with power to change altitude and pitch for airspeed. you can put in aileron without to much issue but be warned it's harder to recover from overbanking if you use to much.
you use those ailerons close to a stall speed and you're likely going into a spin. Its math, aileron down increases the wing tip AOA by 2-2.5 deg. If you are already at 16 AOA, adding another 2 deg to the tip makes it 18-18.5, tip stalls, wing goes down.
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So it's not just me that's seeing the weird stalling. Also the plane appears to be very stable, it is very departure resistant, spinning it is difficult. And another thing... in transonic the centre of lift stays put.
Long story, but stalls are hard to program in DCS, its an extra condition. So how one group does it is up to them. I think Aerges focused on the correct aileron stall, but the regular stall and spin need some work, Im sure they'll fix it. F1 should have a similar stall as the MiG19.
@@FSX404 Yeah, they've done an amazing job so far, fixes are bound to be coming and hopefully, they will tweak this as well. I also think that the F1 would behave alot better the the 19. That one was terrible from the onset. Even the russians gave up on it. Speaking of which, RAZBAM had a similar "tame" stall for their MIG19, but it was way more obvious. For the F1, it's quite hard to notice, unless you're trained in what to look for.
Well I think the centre of lift does shift during transonic phase. I trim the plane to fly straight around M0.8 and starting from M0.9 the nose starts to pitch down , not as dramatic as the AJS37 for sure but my guess is the acceleration at this speed is also lower than the Viggen
@@aidenchen1275 thats a good tbing to ch3ck, mach tuck, Ibdidnt, I kept it mostly slow, I'll check it next
@@FSX404 Looking forward to it man! And thank you for this testing video, very informative and useful
Which do you think is the piston engine plane that has the most realistic flight physics in dcs?
Mosquito, by far, followed by P-47
@@FSX404 I am very interested in getting the most realistic experience possible of flying a real airplane using virtual reality. I'm not interested in graphics, only flight physics. According to your experience, what is the flight simulator and the paid GA airplane that is closest to what I am looking for?
@@martinalvarez827 I cant speak for XPlane or MSFS2020, since I havent flown a MSFS since FSX and FS2004, but there are some decent planes in DCS... Mosquito, Mirage F.1, P-47, A-4 free mod (is really good, myself and another pilot helped with its flight dynamics)... Im not to keen on Gen 4 and 5 Planes, cause even in real life they fly like toys.
Cockpit looks way too dark, can’t see the instruments very well….is that an issue?
I think they brightened it after this.
That thing cries for deep stall xD
The constant loud beeping made the video hard to watch.
If you cant stand the beeps, then get the heck out of the cockpit! It aint for you, keep moving!
@@FSX404 beeping is fine, but when i'm trying to listen to your commentary over it, its irritating. I actually prefer beeping in the cockpit as its another aid for the pilot.