I have heard many presentations about archaeological sites, but this was the least informative,... almost like an elementary school book report that someone was forced to do, but there were some interesting photos and an overall good video!
Thank you for sharing this presentation! I spend time on family property in this area west of the lake and we have a very faint petroglyph on the property… but I was in aware of the preserve! I’m going to plan a visit soon. Thank you again.
I’ve spent a lot of time at the Desert National Wildlife Refuge (Corn Creek) and Tule Springs Fossil Beds near Las Vegas, Nevada. These are both paleo-indian but not sure how old. They used Mesquite beans ground in pits and 5,000-year-old maize.
This woman sounds like she is a kindergarten teacher with how she emphasizes certain words and acts like she telling a story and not presenting a scientific lecture. Still probably better than I could though!
This is not a fair critique. Look at the presenter's credentials and you will see why she is presenting the way she does. Her job is to aim for a wide audience.
That rock art looks super old! Thats cool to see some of the sites etc around the area, I grew up on the north east side of the lake. I've been looking into mounds and would love more info on utah mounds? If any has any info, tag me please. I found this in looking for the Nephi mounds which seems there's not much info.
Wow. Very cool and informative. I can't imagine someone having this in their front yard in Provo. Would that be illegal to have or no? Can they donate to a museum? Thank you for your presentation
Elizabeth Hora, well done!🕊 I'm so interested in Megolithic Societies & their Structures, Artworks, & Pictographs. New Mexico, is my Area of expertise, yet all through the Rockies, & most any Mountain peaks, are new insights into these Societies. I've noticed that pecking away at Cliffs, rather than working around Blackened Surface, is Native American Indian, & before are Prehistoric Cultures. Found Massive Ancient Structures, as well as Gigantic Turtle, Bear, & yes a Sabertooth Cat, carved monuments. Spiral marking here, also point to this being a Center of Pictograph.
It's a shame that there's no evident transitional period for the economic shift from nomadic HG lifestyle to mixed agrarian, but that's almost always how she goes. Transitions are so infinitesimally short compared to the record as whole, and that complicating factor of most agrarian villages being on private land and likely destroyed just hurts. For example, the structure of pit houses could theoretically have a simpler construction with greater variability in form or detail for the first century or two while they figured out how to make them work for their locale. Possibly there was a transitional semi-permanent dwelling style after starting agriculture but before the use of southern style pit houses. I know the professor only barely mentioned the Pleistocene land usage to the west of Lake Utah in response to a question, but I'd be interested to find out why the area around Lake Utah itself was unattractive for pleistocene/early holocene use. I mean, it's reasonable that people using abundant resources to the west had no good reason to leave their preferred area, but abundant food typically leads to population growth and splitting off. Like, as far as I know in my layman's research, the post-Younger Dryas Clovis-using populations moved around a LOT, or at least that seems the case further south in Texas and New Mexico. I just found out yesterday that the Western Stemmed Tradition actually saw replacement by Clovis technology at Borax Lake Site in California with ONE obviously transitional point, which just blew my mind. I have several questions, and they're completely tangential to the talk, but a direct result of it: Did people using Clovis technology just never exchange traditions with Western Stemmed Point using people in western Utah? Because the technology is incredibly expedient, giving you a large, effective point for comparatively little effort. Did a typical Clovis-using lifestyle just not suit the ecology of the area at all? The technology went practically pan-continental in only an estimated 800 years, from Virginia to Alaska, but *not* to Utah? Are Pleistocene/early Holocene traces at Lake Utah just so scattered and rare that none have been found? Or was it really just that ecologically unsuitable for Paleo/Early Archaic people to use? What was the ecology like pre-4000BCE, and why was it counter to land use patterns further west? Was it the geography to get there that prevented land usage? Or was it really as simple as not needing to leave a resource rich area? Not expecting anyone to actually come along and answer me seriously, but these are things I'll keep in mind for the future, maybe even look up for myself later. Also, no unhinged word vomit in reply, thank you.
I would love to compare what I took from these areas with your "artifacts". Not in comparison to establishing that area with the areas I was. It would be interesting to compare the artistry of any figurines and projectile points. and what they are made from. Are those who went to dig at this site, publishing any articles in the Southwest Archaeology Magazine? Southwest Archaeology Magazine (now a nonprofit), used to be a publication (for profit) with magazines entitled, "The Monitor" a magazine (front page photos show Native American hierarchy). Literally to have them pose to "monitor" where the tribes are and what they are doing. "The Instructor" instructs Native Americans on how to become civilized showing squaws in dresses and asking them to give up their buckskin clothing. Published and distributed by the LDS, Mormon church. My mother quilted quilts and took to some as far as Keams Canyon Arizona.
Trust me on this one. Don’t show anyone what you have found or possibly found. These idiots think they have the answers and rights to everything. They “excavate” yet we “loot” They “honor” the people by grants that line their pockets and put their finds in museums that again, are funded by idiots with deep pockets. Keep your find. I encourage you to continue your quest. I watch this stuff for comedy reasons. The biggest most important collections of artifacts are in random folks basements
How did you know who's property homes to knock on to gain access to private property? Properties, you all knew what you would be found there! Prehistoric? And you simply find all this on a guess? WT? Fraud is nothing to brag about.
@@QMAMBO1913 watch my documentary entitled, "The Fields of These People" Where did they get the maps? Christopher Merritt, David Yoder, and Richard Talbott are a few archaeologists who chose to do what they did. I am happy with all my lengthy calls about the Chinese they are including them to some minor degree. They weren't going to and avoided the Native American tribe(s) on my friends' property. This area was a sacred burial, and ceremonial site/grounds. You can watch my documentary then determine. Can I upload a photo on this thread?
treadhead. Did you hear her say WHY they obliterated the images? We white people can't wipe out what we and/or other white people did to Native peoples, by pointing fingers at anything one tribe did to another one, or another one's images.
Colonial? You must not be very educated in history. That’s humans everywhere for as long as we have been around. You ever hear of the crusades? Library of Alexandria? Iraq? Afghanistan? Smh
Eh? I distinctly recall the good professor saying they obliterate a drawing to heal someone. If I had to hazard a guess based on my admittedly crappy ethnographic knowledge, the person performing the healing likely uses a very specific method to infer which drawing is most appropriate to draw life force from to help the person who needs healing, because each drawing is imbued with the spirit of it's creation. I can't imagine it's a flippant decision to destroy a cultural treasure for a broken toe. It's more likely a whole series of spiritually based actions performed for something like cancer or soul-sickness. You're being colonial by overlaying your prejudices on a sacred practice. Go bother the Catholics about their ritual cannibalism.
I have heard many presentations about archaeological sites, but this was the least informative,... almost like an elementary school book report that someone was forced to do, but there were some interesting photos and an overall good video!
Thank you so much for making this public! Fantastic job!
Thank you for sharing this presentation! I spend time on family property in this area west of the lake and we have a very faint petroglyph on the property… but I was in aware of the preserve! I’m going to plan a visit soon. Thank you again.
Mount Nebo, found brain coral fossils above 10,000’. Love and support for your research.
I've found many many fossils at the summits of all the limestone Wasatch peaks
A+++ very informative
I was in vernal Utah last month ❤❤❤
I’ve spent a lot of time at the Desert National Wildlife Refuge (Corn Creek) and Tule Springs Fossil Beds near Las Vegas, Nevada. These are both paleo-indian but not sure how old. They used Mesquite beans ground in pits and 5,000-year-old maize.
This woman sounds like she is a kindergarten teacher with how she emphasizes certain words and acts like she telling a story and not presenting a scientific lecture. Still probably better than I could though!
This is not a fair critique. Look at the presenter's credentials and you will see why she is presenting the way she does. Her job is to aim for a wide audience.
It's going to be really hard to reach narrow-minded people. Unreachable folks exhibiting behaviors like you have done.
Excellent presentation. Thank you.
I go shooting near the Smith Preserve often and see why it was a favored hunting ground! Antelope and deer are there more often than not just grazing
The Escalantie expedition in 1776 killed a Buffalo near point of the mountain just to the north of this site
I would assume that buffalo were killed for at least 25,000 years within 20 miles of this site.
That rock art looks super old! Thats cool to see some of the sites etc around the area, I grew up on the north east side of the lake. I've been looking into mounds and would love more info on utah mounds? If any has any info, tag me please. I found this in looking for the Nephi mounds which seems there's not much info.
Very cool!
You did a great job. Your approach is very effective to me. Can you point me towards information resources around the Drum mountains and Indian Peak?
Wow. Very cool and informative. I can't imagine someone having this in their front yard in Provo. Would that be illegal to have or no? Can they donate to a museum?
Thank you for your presentation
I agree. Felt like grade school...
I found the exact same thing at a very old marsh area in a desert, at 7500 feet.
I don’t think that mat is juniper bark. I just saw it in the UMNH in SLC. It looks more like tule or cattail, bound with dogbane cordage. Hmmmm?
Elizabeth Hora, well done!🕊 I'm so interested in Megolithic Societies & their Structures, Artworks, & Pictographs. New Mexico, is my Area of expertise, yet all through the Rockies, & most any Mountain peaks, are new insights into these Societies. I've noticed that pecking away at Cliffs, rather than working around Blackened Surface, is Native American Indian, & before are Prehistoric Cultures. Found Massive Ancient Structures, as well as Gigantic Turtle, Bear, & yes a Sabertooth Cat, carved monuments. Spiral marking here, also point to this being a Center of Pictograph.
How 😅about dinner ❤❤
It's a shame that there's no evident transitional period for the economic shift from nomadic HG lifestyle to mixed agrarian, but that's almost always how she goes. Transitions are so infinitesimally short compared to the record as whole, and that complicating factor of most agrarian villages being on private land and likely destroyed just hurts. For example, the structure of pit houses could theoretically have a simpler construction with greater variability in form or detail for the first century or two while they figured out how to make them work for their locale. Possibly there was a transitional semi-permanent dwelling style after starting agriculture but before the use of southern style pit houses.
I know the professor only barely mentioned the Pleistocene land usage to the west of Lake Utah in response to a question, but I'd be interested to find out why the area around Lake Utah itself was unattractive for pleistocene/early holocene use. I mean, it's reasonable that people using abundant resources to the west had no good reason to leave their preferred area, but abundant food typically leads to population growth and splitting off. Like, as far as I know in my layman's research, the post-Younger Dryas Clovis-using populations moved around a LOT, or at least that seems the case further south in Texas and New Mexico. I just found out yesterday that the Western Stemmed Tradition actually saw replacement by Clovis technology at Borax Lake Site in California with ONE obviously transitional point, which just blew my mind.
I have several questions, and they're completely tangential to the talk, but a direct result of it:
Did people using Clovis technology just never exchange traditions with Western Stemmed Point using people in western Utah? Because the technology is incredibly expedient, giving you a large, effective point for comparatively little effort. Did a typical Clovis-using lifestyle just not suit the ecology of the area at all? The technology went practically pan-continental in only an estimated 800 years, from Virginia to Alaska, but *not* to Utah?
Are Pleistocene/early Holocene traces at Lake Utah just so scattered and rare that none have been found? Or was it really just that ecologically unsuitable for Paleo/Early Archaic people to use? What was the ecology like pre-4000BCE, and why was it counter to land use patterns further west? Was it the geography to get there that prevented land usage? Or was it really as simple as not needing to leave a resource rich area?
Not expecting anyone to actually come along and answer me seriously, but these are things I'll keep in mind for the future, maybe even look up for myself later. Also, no unhinged word vomit in reply, thank you.
I would love to compare what I took from these areas with your "artifacts". Not in comparison to establishing that area with the areas I was. It would be interesting to compare the artistry of any figurines and projectile points. and what they are made from. Are those who went to dig at this site, publishing any articles in the Southwest Archaeology Magazine? Southwest Archaeology Magazine (now a nonprofit), used to be a publication (for profit) with magazines entitled, "The Monitor" a magazine (front page photos show Native American hierarchy). Literally to have them pose to "monitor" where the tribes are and what they are doing. "The Instructor" instructs Native Americans on how to become civilized showing squaws in dresses and asking them to give up their buckskin clothing. Published and distributed by the LDS, Mormon church. My mother quilted quilts and took to some as far as Keams Canyon Arizona.
Trust me on this one. Don’t show anyone what you have found or possibly found. These idiots think they have the answers and rights to everything. They “excavate” yet we “loot”
They “honor” the people by grants that line their pockets and put their finds in museums that again, are funded by idiots with deep pockets.
Keep your find. I encourage you to continue your quest.
I watch this stuff for comedy reasons.
The biggest most important collections of artifacts are in random folks basements
"I would love to compare what I took" So you stole native artifacts?
How did you know who's property homes to knock on to gain access to private property? Properties, you all knew what you would be found there! Prehistoric? And you simply find all this on a guess? WT? Fraud is nothing to brag about.
yes rorshach (& red herrings) in real time - Not so much 'ellie', as nellie (Negative),........;
@@QMAMBO1913 watch my documentary entitled, "The Fields of These People" Where did they get the maps? Christopher Merritt, David Yoder, and Richard Talbott are a few archaeologists who chose to do what they did. I am happy with all my lengthy calls about the Chinese they are including them to some minor degree. They weren't going to and avoided the Native American tribe(s) on my friends' property. This area was a sacred burial, and ceremonial site/grounds. You can watch my documentary then determine. Can I upload a photo on this thread?
@@QMAMBO1913 It is Elle.
so, the Navajo obliterate the drawings... how colonial...
treadhead. Did you hear her say WHY they obliterated the images?
We white people can't wipe out what we and/or other white people did to Native peoples, by pointing fingers at anything one tribe did to another one, or another one's images.
Colonial? You must not be very educated in history. That’s humans everywhere for as long as we have been around. You ever hear of the crusades? Library of Alexandria? Iraq? Afghanistan? Smh
Eh? I distinctly recall the good professor saying they obliterate a drawing to heal someone. If I had to hazard a guess based on my admittedly crappy ethnographic knowledge, the person performing the healing likely uses a very specific method to infer which drawing is most appropriate to draw life force from to help the person who needs healing, because each drawing is imbued with the spirit of it's creation. I can't imagine it's a flippant decision to destroy a cultural treasure for a broken toe. It's more likely a whole series of spiritually based actions performed for something like cancer or soul-sickness.
You're being colonial by overlaying your prejudices on a sacred practice. Go bother the Catholics about their ritual cannibalism.
Layers of ignorance revealed in your comment. Strong evidence that you lead an unexamined life. Refute me!
The land acknowledgment is dumb
ANCIENT? This video reflects mid-1800s -- do not believe any archaeology from Utah "archaeologists".
The golden rule stands the test of time. couple that with if you cant say somethig nice ? personally, i don't believe anyone who comes with Absolutes
@@tylerandus2051 I am nice. No matter what, the truth is always questionable to those who don't question it.
I don't believe anything from a grave robber like you, who poaches and steals native american artifacts.