RANKING the best 10 drivers of 2023! 📈 | Sky Sports F1 Podcast
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A bonus Christmas episode of the Sky Sports F1 podcast as Tommo and Karun rank the best 10 drivers of 2023. Whose ranking did you agree with? Put your rankings in the comments below!
Karun - Tommo- Matt
1 Verstappen - Verstappen - Verstappen
2 Alonso - Alonso - Alonso
3 Norris - Norris - Piastri
4 Hamilton - Hamilton - Norris
5 Leclerc - Piastri - Sainz
6 Sainz - Leclerc - Leclerc
7 Albon - Albon - Hamilton
8 Piastri - Sainz - Albon
9 Russell - Russell - Russell
10 Lawson - Gasly - Perez
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Thank you Karun for saying exactly what I want to say each time Matt opens his mouth.
How on earth Lewis would have won Qatar GP? Are these people on drugs? RB and McLaren were far better and ahead of Mercs in race pace.
Just listening to this, and the way you all dismiss the Lewis to ferrari rumors is hilarious in hindsight!
Max’ consistency is downright scary; and I don’t think he’s overly concerned about 2024 at ALL. I remember in 2015 when he was literally a boy, and I forget the commentator but he said, ‘this boy is going to be a world champion some day’. 2 P4s in a Torro Rosso, that outstanding overtake in Spa, championship points in his FIRST race he ever finished, and his obstinance (which resulted in a top 5) in Singapore was definitely a harbinger of things to come.
Also Liam Lawson needs a seat.
F1 peaked in 2021. Been absolutely dead since. Alonso doing well at the start was alright. But lost 10s of thousands of loyal fans this year according to data.
I really wish Williams and RB had been able to make a deal of Lawson over Sargeant. He really needs to be on the grid. Even if it was only for a year, I think he would have been exciting to see at Williams with Albon in '24.
@@alfantastico52982021 Was a peak and also an absolute low I'd you're a fan of impartiality and fairness! I can't blame RB for having clear no 1 and no 2 but it's so boring to watch
Liam Lawson is put tru the wringer by Dr. Marko to test his composure. Red Bull had to sack two juniors due to composure incidents in the last few years. Probally already in '24 but more likely in '25 he will have a race seat.
Max is an illegitimate champion being protected from having a competitive teammate by Horner and Marko
In my opinion
1. Verstappen
2. Alonso
3. Norris
4. Hamilton
5. Albon
6. Leclerc
7. Sainz
8. Piastri
9. Gasly
10.Tsunoda
Oscar had 17 on-track overtakes in Vegas. You could see his tyre management was getting better with every race. He also kept getting the upgrades a race behind Lando. His wet track driving was phenomenal for a rookie. Peter Windsor says Oscar has more upside than Lando due to his born with seat of the pants ability in high-speed corners. I think next year we'll see an even quicker Oscar.
Peter loves his short corner drivers which Oscar is and Lando is not. Oscar will destroy Lando IF he can get his tyre management in order.
Max's qualifying record isn't that great but he doesn't care. He tends to concentrate on the race set up and the cars strengths hence the reason why he's dominated this year. That and raw talent!
Max is great in qualifying as well however he is now more calculating about the risk in qualifying based cars race pace. Before 2022 he use to out drive the car in qualifying as he knew car didn’t had great race pace.
Car does everything for him. Money well spent on catering in 2021. Crime did pay.
@@HUMC5 That's lulu for you, cry more.
@@HUMC5should they have spent 50x that amount on engines instead like Mercedes?
Verstappen literally has the biggest qualifying margin against teammates of any of the current F1 drivers and he got in F1 at age 17. His qualifying record is better than anyone else if you look at meaningful stats.
Ive gone for
1. Verstappen
2. Alonso
3. Norris
4. Hamilton
5. Leclerc
6. Albon
7. Sainz
8. Piastri
9. Russell
10. Gasly
Norris wasn’t better than Lewis or Charles this season the delusion is crazy
No Tsunoda is very harsh, in isolation had a much better season than Gasly russell and piastri
sainz won a race, he was one of the THREE drivers to do it, at least he must be over albon
@@shakmarriott4820 the latter part of the 2023 season said so tho
@@ferryfernandus1423 i agree he had a great second half but lando's first half to the season was pretty bad...I'm not saying the car isn't to blame, but he was struggling in it too. Lando also had so many qualifying opportunities when the car was competitive enough to get pole, but due to silly blunders, it was out of reach. We can't forget those moments. For the whole season, Lewis was getting top 9 finishes, except for two races...I think these rankings have a recency bias because even if the last 3 races weren't favourable, he was the main contributor to the p2 in constructors for that team. Thats why I would probably swap him and Lando.
My favorite Max moment in 2023 was actually Las Vegas. He really drove a brilliant race in his typical cheeky style IF you know where to look:
1. Got a better start on the dirty oil side than Charles on the clean side.
2. Unlike Fernando, he kept his steer straight when he lost grip at turn 1. Which is the right thing to do. Otherwise, he would have spun like Fernando and his race would likely have been over. Not giving that position back to Charles afterward (who got pushed off the track as a result) and taking the penalty instead might feel like an exploit but that's not Red Bull's fault.
3. His leading at the safety car ending where he stepped on the gas, made a hard brake in turn 14, and then stepped on it again leaving Charles in the dust, was a classic Max-on-the-edge exploit. Normally you're not allowed to do that but since he was in the middle of a double-corner, he could always defend himself to the marshals he just had to brake there to keep his car on the track.
4. Under the safety car at the pit lane exit he was busy fighting off Lance next to him. Still, he kept the overview to notice that Ocon outside on track was not paying attention. So he accelerated out of the pitlane, barely keeping his car under control, and overtook him before the safety car line under the yellow flag, which is just plain genius.
5. His pace on the hards was ridiculous. Even with a broken wing, he was still overtaking the whole field, including his teammate on similar old tires who didn't have damage.
6. He deliberately made an early brake after overtaking Charles, which prevented Charles on the outside from steering in and ruined his turn-14 corner exit as a result.
7. To no avail but at the end, he played the teamgame and slowed down to let Checo into his DRS for his defense against Charles.
In short, the Las Vegas race was classic Max, where he extracted every trick from every grey area of the rulebook and combined with his insane pace on the hards, overcame everything that the race threw at him.
Crazy how confidently wrong you are on most of these points lol
@@langbuddha2798 Watch it again mate. Most of these observations were not even made by me but noticed by professional analysts/established racers at various F1 media.
@@Drrolfski yup watched it again and the rematch confirmed how insanely wrong you are lol the commentary and the after race analysis all say the opposite of nearly everything you said here lol these new F1 fans that came from netflix think you can just say "watch it again" as if fans that have been watching for years dont actually rematch races all the time 🤣🤣🤣
@@langbuddha2798Not sure what you've been watching but please elaborate then and explain to us where these analysts got it all wrong and actually bring some arguments instead of just yelling like a teenager.
@@Drrolfski
And then it went silent.....
Question is, whose Top 10 do you agree with most?
Team Matt
Team Karun
team karun
don't know what matt was thinking putting the driver who finished 3rd in the championship 7th on his list but each to their own
Team Karun. Sorry buddd
karun
Thing with Lawson is that he was in the middle of a very competitive season in Japanese Super Formula (which is much closer to F1 than F2 is for instance). That has helped him to be on form immediately in F1 in my opinion. I'm not trying to take away anything from him, because he did do an amazing job, but it tends to help if you're got the physical fitness and also have the sharpness you only get from actually racing competitively. In comparison Ricciardo lacked that small edge when he got into that AT after sitting out for several months.
I think Ricciardo will make another step (back) next year, being there from te start. Then if Checo doesn't make another step forward in qualifying and races compared to Max, I think Ricciardo might return to Red Bull for 2025 and Lawson will get that 2nd AT seat.
Do you waffle professionally?
You couldn't really have worded that any worse. What even was the point of typing such a lukewarm opinion lol
Well at least I voice my opinion with some reasoned arguments behind them rather than just spouting some insults without any substance to them. But I suppose you represent the average empty headed person on social media these days, congratulations.
1 Verstappen
2 Alonso
3 Hamilton
4 Norris
5 Leclerc
6 Albon
7 Sainz
8 Piastri
9 Gasly
10 Russel
Love the video! But in my opinion, I would put Max first, Alonso second, and Lewis third instead of Lando. I think we're not really appreciating the brilliant season he had due to the last 3 races he had, but c'mon...a pole in hungary, 15-7 race pace with his teammate, top 9 finishes in every race except two. When we also consider his age, not too far off of Alonso, it's impressive, you have to admit. I know people's standards of him are high but how much can you expect a driver to extract in a car thats third or fourth best in the grid. Hamilton was the main contributor to P2 in constructors for Mercedes. Lando had a stellar season too, but many of the times, Mclaren gave him a car that looked as competitive as Redbull and he just wasn't able to completely take advantage of it (even if redbull may outpace them in race pace, in qualifyings, i expected at least one pole by him...) Still lando had a great season, kuddos to both drivers.
Lewis had a lot of luck this season. Russell had a poor season and Lewis wasn’t much better.
@@DavidCP524 But define 'luck'. When it comes to racing, I would say everybody needs luck on their side. I feel like saying he was just 'lucky' is discrediting his skills like race pace, by saying it was just a mere coincidence. Did Alonso get podium finishes at the first half of the season because of luck? Remember in Mexico, when Lewis got the fastest lap in 36 lap mediums with a P2...that is definitely not easy and requires a lot of racecraft and experience. George didn't have a terrible season, because we need to consider his teammate is Hamilton...and Hamilton has much more experience.
@@vrooooommm I consider it luck if you don’t win on merit. For instance, on a couple of occasions this year George was ahead and controlling the race but boxed first then there was a safety car so Lewis jumped him.
I feel you’re artificially inflating his skills if you don’t factor that in.
George had the luck on his side last year btw.
@@DavidCP524couple of occasions aka twice
You say look at vegas leclerc, i wud say look at monaco Max lap
As I keep saying, Max is a race-driving savant. He would find a way to win in any of the other leading teams. I don't even think he had the best car after the summer break. Checco was outscored by five drivers after the summer break. The difference is Max.
Zandvoort for me was the Max moment of the season, when it started raining and he the guys on the front missed the the pit window and came in the lap after and checo was in the lead, in his first lap out max was gaining 3-4 seconds a lap on checo. I was starring at the TV like what in hell is this (I know he's good in the rain, probably the best but that was something else).
Karun is always disrespectful to yuki
when u compare drivers just based on points thou need to adjust the calculation to remove impact of DNF that are due to car failure as that is not the drivers fault
Is it just me or is Lando always making mistakes in qualifying when he’s fighting for pole position?? 🤔🤔🤔
Yes. He needs to clean it up, but overall he still had a great season.
@@fiarandompenaltygeneratorm5044is it just me or is all these mistakes he’s made in qualifying not normal when your fighting at the top?? 🤔🤔🤔
@@LiamCameron294 Exactly. He’s the opposite of Charles. Norris is known for quali mistakes and Leclerc for racing mistakes.
@@gameofender4463FACTS
@@LiamCameron294 I think it's a fair criticism. He probably lost 2 poles this year because he didn't execute properly in Q3. He's probably just not used to the pressure. Better to make those mistakes now and not later when he's battling for a WDC.
1. Max
2. Alonso
3. Hamilton
4. Norris
5. Leclerc
6. Albon
7. Sainz
8. Tsunoda
9. Gasly
10. Piastri
In my opinion, I don't find Skysport pundits credible, especially Karoon and Martin. They have weired-biased commentary as though pandering to a certain demographic to win some sort of popularity contest. Sky sport panelists like the FIA are loosing credibility.
Karun and Martin are some of best pundits sky has apart from Jenson and Nico, of they lose them, they are simply done
1. Max
2. Fernando
3. Lewis
4. Lando
5. Albon
6. Charles.
7. Yuki
8. Oscar
9. Carlos
10. Pierre
Tsunoda above drivers who actually won races (grand prix and sprints) is certifiably insane.
@@fiarandompenaltygeneratorm5044 Yuki fans are detached from reality, acting like he's some god tier driver instead of just.. Yuki
Your comments about Oscar are so ridiculous, that kid, in that car, with the 4 DNF from accidents not caused by him, the car failures that Lando didn’t have in his first season after a year off is absolutely incredible.
1- Max
2- Fernando Alonso
3- Lewis Hamilton
4- Lando Norris
5- Charles Leclerc
6- Oscar Piastri
7- Carlos Sainz
8- Alex Albon
9- George Russell
10- Pierre Gasly/Yuki Tsunoda/Nico Hulkenberg... (One of these three)
1) Verstappen
2) Alonso
3) Hamilton
4) Norris
5) Sainz
6) Leclerc
7) Piastri
8) Albon
9) Russell
10) Perez
Hamilton above Norris?
@@usahillo Norris was great, but Hamilton nearly finished 2nd in the championship. Norris made too mistakes in qualifying for my taste, but I think he's a future WDC, so don't riot at me.
@@fiarandompenaltygeneratorm5044 Hamilton almost finished 2nd because the mclaren was a dog in the 1st part of the season.
Similarly how Norris made mistakes in qualifying, Lewis made mistakes in races. Imo Norris suffered less from those mistakes, and recovered far better.
@@usahillo Fair enough.
Norris clearly had the 2nd best car for a lot of races but choked when it mattered. And the way he just lets Max overtake puts me off. Drivers like Max, Lewis or Alonso put their elbows out when there is an opportunity. So far he seems way too comfortable being 2nd best. @@usahillo
Sorry but max and Leclerc on the same level in carting ?????? Wel just look at the results Max almost won always ….. I’m not a Max fan but a Race fan and looking at the consistency of Max these days and the carting days against Leclerc there is a big difference data don’t lie
Yeah you are right that is an idea that really floats around. Over the years “racing against each other” became equivalent to “beating each other.
Agree…Max was winning majority of the times against Charles, not sure why someone comes up with excuses for Charles all the time!
Leclerc is quick he just doesn’t have the mentality he chokes a lot can’t believe how many poles he’s had compared to wins it’s crazy. Max is just a machine and might be the best ever even though I can’t stand him sometimes. I’d like to see him and Lewis in the same car I think he’d win but Lewis will frustrate him and run him close
Yeah thats extreme amount of copium. And it's not even close these days either, max driving and consistency speaks for itself.
@@danielbowen5704cHoKeS a LoT is one if the worst arguments ever against any of the drivers
59:49
35:11 It wasn't that great of a lap
26:18 Max and Carlos (the only other two drivers who went on the inside in turn 1) also overshot the corner, and they're not too bad drivers themselves, so the theory that there was a lack of grip on the inside because of the oil leak from the parade car seems pretty plausible. Also I wouldn't be surprised if that spin in Mexico qualifying was intentional since Fernando knew that Aston Martin wasn't competitive that weekend.
28:08 That was Miami. Azerbaijan was where he told the team to tell Stroll his brake setup because he found it quite good.
1:02:30 It wasn't a mistake in the final sector from Fernando, the Aston just wasn't very strong through that sector and Alonso's lap was actually the fastest an Aston Martin went through that sector the entire weekend
lewis had no business being p1 in hungary...its was an amazing lap, watch the onboard. makes one small mistake but apart from that a perfect lap for what the car could give. gorge was nowhere
Thank you for the Podcast please for more…my only disagreement. Is that for me LECLERC is in P2
decent top 10. Very very suprised none of you chose YUKi as he had a stellar season
No. He didn't. Tsunoda is completely mid, yet his fans think he's the next Gilles Villeneuve because he occasionally finishes 11th.
@@fiarandompenaltygeneratorm5044
Not a yuki fan fyi. You clearly missed half the season as he was superb
@@tomcannon5106 "Superb." Then everyone was superb, except Sargeant and DeVries. You have LOW expectations.
What waffle is this? Yuki is overrated at best.
@tomcannon5106 his Mexico performance/attitude somes him up perfectly. Hasn't progressed professionally and is a liability.
I will tell you about Super Formula. Team Mugen is like the Red Bull of F1. This is a team that can win.
Probably the best driver EVER without a win.
Lommo thinks Ericsson and Norris are the same
Statistics show that, during the 2023 season, the RB has possibly the best driver pairing as they won a P1 / P2 WDC and a Constructors championship.
Max on his owns bested most of those statistics.
Give the right car to the Hulk, he deserves a podium at least
I know Lewis had a bad season but he has high expectations of team that they can not achieve. All athletes have a period when they dominate and at some point they go backwards. It happens and one day in the future MAX will have the same. You can only achieve so much and with talent behind they will catch up. We need to think about drivers for the future and Hamillton in my personnel opinion is not in that league. Most drivers retire just before they hit the wall and go backwards. I think he did a good job but he has had so much success he is not used to failing. Most drivers fail at the start of the career and move up the grid and fall back.
Red Bull hired alot of people from Mercedes and other teams. They clearly wanted to destroy Mercedes.
Too bad Mercedes did a big mistake with '22 car. It will be hard to recover until 2026...
@@HUMC5 Yes but that is business as a engineer you want to go to Red Bull and if you had the offer you would take it.
Mate in what universe has had a bad season, qualifying is the only blip I can think of but even then he was relatively strong. Is race pace, tire management is till exemplary, undoubtedly carried Merc to p2 in the constructors. The decline might be minimal but hes still top 3 on the grid, give a competitive machine and he’s right back at the front
Why is it that one or two good races from others are so much praised but Checo after winning twce and securing 2nd in drivers championship is extremely and perhaps even harshly overlooked!?
37:25 Well that didnt age well :D
comments at 37 minutes didn't age well 🤣🤣🤣
Oscar, was second for me, he showed some qualities shown by few rockies ❤❤❤
Karun had the best list!
Although Perez had a bad year, I will still have him in the top 10, he did end second in the championships .
My personal list for this season would be
1.Max
2.Alonso
3.Hamilton
4.Charles
5.Lando
6.Carlos
7.Albon
8.Russel
9.Yuki
10.Gasly
You cant just put piastri up here just because he is a rookie,but also look at how good he is atm compared to others without factoring in experience.Considering this there is very little chance oscar is beating any of these guys in equal machinery in 2023
And just because at their best the list will be different so imma put a list for post singapore
1.Max
2.Charles
3.Alonso or Hamilton
4.Hamilton or Alonso
5.Lando
6.Carlos
7.Its all the same from here
1 Max
2 Alonso
3 Oscar
4 Leclerc
5 Lando
6 Lewis
7 Albon
8 Carlos
9 Perez
10 Russell
Hamilton 1. Hamilton 2. HAMILTON 3.
Karun on the money. Buddy Holly showing his lack of knowledge of the season and sport to be honest
Buddy Holly was extremely talented. This guy wears glasses the resemblance ends there.
Russell ranked too high..
1. Max
2. Alonso
3. Hamilton
4. Norris
5. Piastri
6. LeClerc
7. Gasly
8. Sainz
9. Albon
10. The HULK!!!
Great video and lists from the panel, Sky!!
karun always talks badly about yuki, sick of it.
It’s interesting listening to you three make excuses for GR. But I get it. You have to be controversial so that this podcast can get some traction.
Lando P7 Australia 🤔 how many cars crashed out 😂😂😂
The Mercedes didn’t perform poorly, it was the second car and they just didn’t get it together as a team. George and Lewis are not the best pairing, it’s to much of a competition, competition is good, but not the way George is approaching it.
I mean ferrari are the 2nd fastest car based on race and qualifying pace over the course of the season but aure 🤦♂️
It was really inconcistent car and seldom had the outright pace of Ferrari or Mclaren at the 2nd half of the season
As long as Max is around Lando will never beat him because he has to much respect for him.
I don't think it has to do with respect i think it has to do whit the team environment. There is none like Red Bull or Mercedes that support their drivers so much dispite sponsors etcetera. So Lando or Charles have to think about bringing the car home and being marketable to all, i have less of a sense political like that at RB or Mercedes.
Too much
3 blokes, Sky what on earth are you playing at?
Why? What's wrong with it?
Max
Lando
Fernando
Charles
Pierre(people underestimate what he did in that dog of a car)
Lewis
Oscar
What is this matt guy saying...
WOMMOOOOO
37:25 aged badly.
Remember team, headline contract terms do *not* tell us about break clauses... a long-term contract with a break clause is not really a long-term contract.
Verstappen and Alonso 1-2 is pretty much the only way to go.
My ranking based on THIS YEAR. Not who I think are the top ten on the grid.
1) Max
2) Lewis
3) Fernando
4) Leclerc
5) Carlos
6) Piastri
7) Russell
8) Norris
9) Yuki
10) Perez or Gasly
You’ve done Norris and Albon so dirty here
1-Alonso
2-Sainz
4-Schumacher
5-Verstappen
6-Piastri
7-Norris
8-Hamilton
@@coldmilkexe2087 Norris no. Albon maybe 9th or 10th is a fair point.
Dude.. Really?
Albon bottled it in Australia 😂😂
Crashed into the wall
The Williams car is carrying him nothing else
This is comedy show right🎉
alo 2012 is the greatest single season by any driver, ever
Nah, Lewis 2007 is
@@eddieeverheart6399 Maybe you should watch these seasons before commenting this kind of tomfoolery
@@usahillo I've watched all these seasons. Fact is Alonso, a 2-time WDC at the time, got outperformed by a rookie Hamilton in 2007. Also it was great watching Alonso and Lewis battling Massa and Kimi
@@eddieeverheart6399
He really didn't. That was one of Alonso's worst seasons, Kimi had more DNFs and the season was messy overall on mclaren's part which couldn't have helped the drivers.
Yes, lewis was quick right out of the gate, but it still wasn't as flawless as Alonso in 2012.
Lewis made more mistakes and extracted less from the car in 2007 than Alonso in 2012.
@@usahillo one of his worst seasons?! Lol! I guess he just happened to have one of his best seasons in 2012 when partnered with Massa and another one, this year, when partnered with Stroll. But his worst season was when he was partnered with the greatest talent F1 has ever had
Take a look at how the drivers rank themselves in the driver ranking.
Note: Lewis didn’t participate in ranking drivers.
When the 2nd place championship driver doesn't make the top 10 drivers of the year it demonstrates the absolute dominance of the teams car
Du du du du…
Agree with the top 6 from Matt.
Not putting Ham in the top 6 is ludicrous
some bs ranking, why is Alonso so high in all rankings? If you give me one good reason...
Ah lads. Hamilton with his experience you think he's had a top 4 ranking session?? Just like the sky commentary very bias. I stopped listening after a few minutes when I heard that. Use also blatantly don't like Max. Very unprofessional men.
Lecrerc is like Webber. every time he has a chance he throws it away
🙋🏼♀ Typical, what they forgot about Boy Lewy is that he ramed Piastry in Italy, same action in 2 more races..
and Boy Lewy gets a top 5 while Perez is 10th.
Yea clear case of british glasses on.
same go's for many ppl in the comments with a p3 for Boy Lewy.
LH has been seriously hog tied by Mercedes's decision to force him to race with GR as he has proved that he is not a team player and not capable of helping sort out the car's obvious setup problems.
Unfrikking believable!!!! You guys rate the only F1 driver (GR), who has been driving way beyond his capabilities as he has holds the F1 historic track record for having the most contact with other drivers on track!!!!!!!
Even if you were fantasizing about the 2023 season, GR could never be rated higher than Checo was much more consistent than GR and did not take his team mate out!!!!
😂
Hamilton disrespected as per usual.
Judged on merit for once instead of diversity.
Perez P10 isn't controversial, its just dumb.
I haven't driven a f1 car , but you guys sounds like bit too much for pundits. Firstly i 2ud say that sainz had really good season, he improved a lot. Leclerc was levels down of his previous years and the car isn't excuse. Also although you all seems to prize a lot Max, i cant see you really understand what he achieved, probably you need some more 10 years for it
You didn't watch the season or?
Who ISNT prizing Max? Did as Wickey said, did you even watch the season? Dude almost ended with 600 points, 21 podiums in 22 races. Consistency that has never been seen before. And you dare to even write "you all seem to prize a lot Max" What the?
GR rated P9!!! Really???? During the season, if you count how many times he bumped into other drivers, then add the fact that he ignored team orders & rammed his team mate off the track!!!! How could GR be rated as P9.
Fact is!!! GR has proved to be the Mercedes teams Albatross who is holding the team back.
Luck was the only difference between George and Lewis. It was Lewis that had to run them both off the track to beat him in Japan.
@@DavidCP524What a ridiculous and completely wrong observation
@@matthewcamina8508 I observed on multiple occasions George being ahead in the race so he boxed first. Then a SC was deployed and allowed Lewis to jump George. I call that a win on luck, not merit.
George had the better luck in 22 so it goes back and forth most of the time.
@@DavidCP524 Luck was certainly not the only difference. The SC incidents you mention happened once, maybe twice.
I do recall George making multiple errors trying to keep up with Lewis or stay in front, which led to him losing a good amount of points.
He’s incredibly quick over one lap, but his race craft and pace needs some work. He didn’t finish 70pts behind his teammate due to luck
Albon too high
Mercedes has best 'Driver pairing??????? How can pairing a 7 times WDC with the companies Albatross (GR) be the best pairing?????
GR has proved, over the last 5 seasons, that he has been driving way beyond his capabilities which has resulted in attaining the historic track record of having the most contract on track & ignoring team orders by ramming team mate out of the race.
I'm with Matt, Lewis did not perform like a 7 times world champion! In the second best car, construtor standings prove this, he should have won at least a couple of races!
When at what time in the yrs was the Mercedes car the best car. ? Smh u wanted him to win in that car yet lando couldn't win when they were clearly head of the Mercedes..
you do realize red bull have won like 99% of races last season yeah?
and to put a driver 3rd in the championship in 7th is just disingenuous
@@benfuller2890 check qualifying difference through the years and will see that it never has been closer than now! By this metric a 7 times world champion should have shown more!
@@geraldbaptiste9015 Lando isn't a 7 times world champion! Lewis has to show he's above the rest, if not than he's proving he only can win in a dominant car!
Lewis didnt live up to his own standards I agree but that doesnt mean the likes of Charles or Lando where objectively better this year.
Albon is a goat
Just like Latifi
@@rottieshepcalibre9156 GoATier
If your top 5 includes drivers other than Verstappen, Alonso, Hamilton, Leclerc, Norris; it is wrong. Easy as that. Especially Karun rating Hamilton 7th is awful, he should be fired
Hamilton 7th is crazy. The top 3 is easily Verstappen, Alonso, and Hamilton...The only decision is whether Alonso or Hamilton deserve 2nd.
100% agree. Either Hamilton or Alonso 2nd and 3rd. And either Leclerc or Norris 4th and 5th@@fiarandompenaltygeneratorm5044
@@mertcanhacfazloglu4862 Agreed. My top 5 were: Verstappen, Alonso, Hamilton, Norris, and Sainz. Leclerc was 6th. I just felt Carlos getting a win pushed him ahead in my book, but I think Leclerc drove really well this year.
I think Leclerc was far superior to Sainz even though Sainz got the win@@fiarandompenaltygeneratorm5044
@@fiarandompenaltygeneratorm5044Leclerc was better than Sainz tho. All the stats aside from that win proves that
Max, Sainz, Alonso, Perez, (Oscar, *Lando,) reason upgrades given to him first.
6. Charles,
7. Lewis,
8. Gasly,
9. Russell,
10. Albon,
Sainz😂
Yes Checo had a difficult season but the disrespect is high to not feature him in top ten. At least 8-10.
Considering the car he was driving he don't deserve being in top 10
He's definitely in the top 10 (I have him 10th) considering how mediocre most of the drivers P12-P20 were...He won 2 races and finished 2nd in the world championship. He's a veteran driver who's proven his quality...The fact that he can't get the most of the Red Bull is more of indication of how GREAT Verstappen is, not how bad Checo is. Put Gasly or Albon back in the car, and they would not be winning races.
@@fiarandompenaltygeneratorm5044 It not about winning races. He was closer to Sargent in standings than he was to Verstappen
@@Wickey934 "It's not about winning races." 🤔
@@Wickey934 You said it's not about winning races...So it doesn't matter if he won more, right? (See, logic can be your friend.)
Piastri is seriously over-hyped. Like Karun says, less than half the points of Norris. Norris might be a quality driver, but those results are objectively worse than Perez in 2023.
I don't get how you could even suggest it was the most impressive rookie season since Hamilton. Verstappen, Norris, Leclerc, Russell, Albon were all more impressive in their rookie seasons.
Also I find the argument that he won a race almost dishonest. It was a sprint race with half the laps were behind safety cars. That is not remotely the same as winning a Grand Prix.
Piastri has a lot of potential and i'm sure he will improve with experience, but right now he doesn't even belong in the top 10.
"Oscar Best rookie since Lewis Hamilton"
I can't believe he actually said that.
Putting oscar ahead of Lando is laughable to start with but thats the cherry on top.
you’ll be ok
@@nicolekovala k
Perez in top ten. Come on
Karun is so bad
Perez finished second and isn't in the Top 9 for anyone? For all his problems, he deserves better than that.
So you think he is second best driver on the grid because he was p2 in the standings? 😂
I wouldn't even put him in the top 15 of the year actually.
He barely deserves his seat, let alone top 10
@@Wickey934 Did I say second best? I'd be happier if he were in the Top 10 of all three, doesn't matter where, even if 10th. And for the record, I would love to see Lawson in an AT seat and Riccardo replace Perez. Although Riccardo is not a long-term fix IMHO
@@realnohat I don't think Ricciardo would do much better than Perez (its impossible to be worse), but I would like to see that
1) Lewis
2) Fernando
3) Leclerc
4) Carlos
5) Max
6) Piastri
7) Russell
8) Norris
9) Hulkenberg
10) Gasly
(...)
20) Perez
What derangement is this?
hamilton fourth give over
4th or 5th is fair
@@SiegfriedDerDrachentoterNah top three or two is more fitting for Lewis.
@@gameofender4463 Agreed. I think the top 3 are beyond debate. It's just a matter of whether you see Alonso or Hamilton as 2nd. Hamilton wasn't spectacular, but he got a lot of points with a dog of a car. Very consistent.
i thought piastri pipped lewis.. rookie season, had a sprint win, had some off weekends but that was usually where it was a new track to him which is understandable where as lewis had a couple mistakes and some off weekends also caused a crash on his team mate.. not slating him just thought he didnt shine as much as piastri
@@ReefOozeman said PIASTRI 😂😂😂😂😂😂AHAHAHAHAAA😂😂😂😂😂
when will people stop making excuses for Lewis Hamilton of corse he is blaming the car he is not going to admit he is not as good as he use to be
Mercedes the best driver lineup, right, disconnect from reality, Lewis crashed and choked and in the grevel more the last 4 years than Max in his whole career, and George? well if he was half as good as he talks he would actually maybe win something.
The only reason Lewis endedup P3 is because Mclaren had a bad start and AM a bad end, if they would have been more consistent Lewis would be P5 at best, this sport is about the details, British holy Lewis bias doesn’t change that
The only reason Lewis ended up p3 is that they had a bad car all year. If he didnt have a bad car, he would have been p1 or p2. The only reason Fernando finished 4th is that the Aston Martin development was trash. He would have been p1 or p2. The only reason Leclerc ended up p5 is that .... do you see where I am going with this?
@@Patrick-vj7bh Where you going is the route of a-typical motorsport fans, the whole field was close and certainly top 10, Mercedes team never dropped out the top, the drivers on and off did and and AM and McLaren did , this sport is about the details and not your hurt feelings
@@yerrie1908 I am simply pointing out a flaw in your analysis. You want to penalize one drive because the other teams didnt do a good job with their car development. You simply refuse to acknowledge that if any driver had a car as good as Redbull, there is a chance they would have done better than they did. It would be better if you came up with average race stats as evidence to back up your claim instead of using hypotheticals. These rankings are dreams anyway. The best driver finished first, then second and then 3rd and so fourth. Its the reason it is called a race. It determines the true rankings. The best drivers drive for the best team. It seems like I hit a nerve, lol calm down, no ones feelings where hurt except yours, just over simple criticism.
@@Patrick-vj7bhLeclerc would be easily top 3 without 5 dnf's
@@Wickey934 Thats hypothetical. We do not know that for sure. If Latifi was in a mercedes, he would be in the top 3
1. Verstappen
2. Alonso
3. Norris
4. Hamilton
5. Leclerc
6. Piastri
7. Sainz
8. Yuki
9. Albon
10. Gasly
Yuki ahead of Albion is abit odd to me.
1 Verstappen
2 Alonso
3 Hamilton
4 Norris
5 Leclerc
6 Sainz
7 Albon
8 Russell
9 Gasly
10 Piastri
i’d put Piastri ahead of Gasly and Russell