Flight of the Intruder (1991) | Movie Reaction | First Time Watching | Good Vibes!
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- Thanks to the Grandaddy Dudester for the Special Request and the Good Vibes. We both check out the Vietnam War flick Flight of the Intruder (1991). Here's our reaction to our first time watching.
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The kiddos interruptions are always hilarious
You've got kids?
"Air America" (1990) is a movie set in the time of the Vietnam war that sadly seems to be forgotten now.
Starring Mel Gibson and a (very young-looking) Robert Downey Jr.
It’s an odd movie, but it deserves to be more popular. Very under-rated.
This all day
EDIT: LOOKS FIXED!
Not sure why this video is only in 360p. Says HD enabled for us on the backend and the file is definitely an 1080p HD file we uploaded... We only see 360p on the player as well. Weird.
shows 1080 for me
It starts in potato mode but can be switched to 1080 😉
@@Saveddrip Looks like it got fixed!
Thank you for doing this movie.
1. I was stationed onboard the USS Independence (CV-62) when this was filmed.
2. They did a fair job of the mock-up of the Philippines.
3. I was a reader so I used that library often.
4. Ed O'Neil originally played the prosecuting Captain but when test screening the audience laughed (Al Bundy) so he had to be replaced with Fred Thompson.
5. "Alpha Mike Foxtrot" =Adios Mother F$&*#!
6. From time to time Johnson and DeFoe would have chow with the guys. Glover on the other hand would always eat with the Admiral, Captain and the other high ranking officers.
7. Danny Glover's character is very much in line with the one he plays here. The other two don't really care for him. He's a huge Prima Donna
Indy was a fine old Lady!
@@georgesykes394 Yeah, That's why we called her USS Inconvenience.
@@williamjones6031I won't repeat what I've heard by Sailor's that were on The Kitty Hawk.
@@georgesykes394 My son was on the "$hitty Kitty" and when they went to Guam I happened to be a civilian contractor and getting him permission to get overnight liberty to hang with his dad(me) was like pulling teeth. I don't mean a regular dentist. I mean Chuck Nolan in "Castaway".
@@williamjones6031 Had a guy in my WC his first boat was The Kitty Hawk can't remember if they were in Yokosuka or Saesbo. The crew was very wild the Skipper pulled out from Port dropped the anchor and let them get it out thier system a few days. And by get it out of the system worked the dog shyt out of them this was in the early to mid 90s.
Not enough attention: The Final Countdown. GREAT flying shots. In 1980 it was the Navy showing off its newest toy.
YES OMG YES.
Splash the Zero's!
Especially the part where they were so committed to the shot that they nearly departed controlled flight and lost the Tomcat and aircrew. Check it out, amazing recovery. Pilot later said he wasn't close but all the other pilots knew.
I absolutely adore the fact that as you’re both telling your daughter to go to bed-- she’s already there with the flashlight right behind you-- be like: “go to bed!” And she be like “toooooooo late guys, I’m already behind you!!!!” 😂
27:40 Fred Thompson is one of my favorite actors. He was a lawyer, then lobbyist, then actor, served 8 years as a US Senator, then returned to acting and sometimes radio host. His best role, IMO, was in The Hunt for Red October.
He certainly has an air about him that demands respect. One of those things.
Also a United States Senator from Tennessee... and D.A. on Law & Order.
I remember him mostly from his previous roles, particularly from Days of Thunder and Law & Order
@@adamwhite767 Mad Jack the doc(Dann Florek) is Captain Cragen on Law & Order SVU
This was filmed on the ship I served on, USS Independence, the debrief scene was one of my work areas.
Memphis Bellle is a good one to watch. It's about a WW2 bomber crew completing their last mission. If I remember correctly, the film was produced by HBO, so it went straight to TV. The cast is amazing, with Matthew Modine, Tate Donovan, David Strathairn, and John Lithgow to name a few. I hope you check it out.
No was not for tv. Over here at least 2 weeks to be seen in the cinema.
"Memphis Belle" was initially released in theaters. That's where I saw it.
Saw it in theater, drama cheese fest with little reality but one of my favorite flicks.
Cool movie.
@@top_gallant literally a true story
Ed O'Neil was supposed to be in the movie in a court martial scene at the end as a JAG prosecutor but at a test screening the audience laughed when he appeared onscreen in uniform because it was like "Al Bundy in the army" so he was cut out.
Flight of the Intruder? 😮
Yay! An often overlooked movie I haven't seen in a long time.
Is it a classic or great? No, but it definitely is entertaining and has it's own charm.
Cheers Grandaddy Dudester for the special request! 👍
I've seen this film many many times. My father introduced it to me years ago, when I was a kid. The A-6 Intruder was one of the last specialized attack aircraft, designed solely to engage targets on the ground, with no air to air capability. Now the Navy and Marines use multi-role aircraft such as the FA-18 Super Hornet.
For people that don't know, Attack aircraft means that they drop bombs or "attack" ground targets. While Fighter aircraft, "fight" other jets and planes, usually using missiles and very rarely their gun. A multi-role aircraft is a jet that can do both mission profiles, attack ground targets and fighting other aircraft. They however don't perform their missions quite as good as a specialized aircraft could.
This movie seemed so much better to a 12 year old me, lol.
Apparently Brad Johnson died back in February this year...RIP
Bat 21 with Gene Hackman and Danny Glover. Another film based in the Vietnam war.
Something I rarely see mentioned in the comment section of Vietnam movies, is people pointing out that it was an entirely avoidable conflict and a direct result of post WW2 international politics. Vietnam and Ho Chi Mihn had been allies during WW2, with the condition that the US, not allow the French, to recolonize Vietnam, post war. Prior to the US betrayal of allowing the French to not only recolonize but actively supporting it, Ho Chi Mihn had been a great admirer of the US, democracy and the US Constitution. Of course, that all changed, Mihn found allies and support from Communist China and the USSR, embraced communism and we slowly got sucked into the conflict, aiding the French as they got their butts kicked.
Got excited until I realized this wasn't Flight Of The Navigtor.
But I'm still gonna watch the reaction in the morning with my coffee. Pretty sure my dad rented this because I recognize the name of it.
"I make up all my own moves"
So does Elaine Benes.
"BAT*21" (1988), Gene Jackman, Dany Glover. Based on a true story.
"The Final Countdown" (1980) Kirk Douglas, Martin Sheen. Sci-fi B-movie meets navy carrier documentary.
That's actually, Gene Hackman, not Hugh Jackman, LMFAO!!!
@@po5283 Whoops! My Worms got scrimbled.
@@curator23 No worries, it was good for a laugh!
BAT 21. Vietnam War era, also with Danny Glover, with Gene Hackman in the lead. About a radar / air defence specialist shot down over enemy territory and he devises a unique plan using golf courses he'd played on to communicate back to base his route out IIRC.
In Vietnam later in the war the White House started micromanaging what would be targeted and what wouldn't be. Kissinger got so full of himself that he thought he could control North Vietnam's behavior at the negotiating table by "rewarding" or "punishing" them like training a pet.
It didn't work and it got a lot of people killed who were doing useless missions like bombing trees instead of trying to inflict the most damage possible to the enemy.
The lower level officers who lived through that were the ones in charge during the first Gulf War, it's a big reason why that war was so intense and fast. Their plan was to go in hard and end the war before it got to a Vietnam like slog.
"Italian slur in the wood pile!" The search for the phantom shitter, "The price of peace us eternal vigilance!"
So many great lines in this film haha.
In the US Navy, Carriers carry a mix of mostly Navy and Marine aircraft. They are Navy and Marine aviators and squadrons. In other Navy's such as the Royal Navy (UK), carriers might carry a mix of Navy aircraft & Air Force Aircraft. For Example the UK's carrier carries Royal Air Force fighters and US Marine fighter jets.
the intruder was armed with defensive capability - you have to understand in the late 50s into the 60s military thinking was that air to air combat would be entirely missile based at standoff distances of miles so much so that a number of fighter aircraft noteably the F4 phantom had no guns on them they were missile only fighters. This is why the introduction for top gun reads the way it does because with the advent of missile only fighters there was a loss of capability in ACM or BFM ( ie dogfighting ) and the navy needed to relearn
it
I remember in a PBS documentary about dogfighting, an F4 pilot talked about his surprise when he saw tracers from a Mig flying past his canopy - "Holy moly! He's got a gun in his nose!"
Sergeant York (1941), To Hell and Back (1955), Tora Tora Tora (1970)
"Uncommon Valor" with Gene Hackman would a great one to watch!
Oh, yeah, Gene Hackman, Fred Ward and Randall "Tex" Cobb... So obscured film. I love it though.
Tibro absolutely 👍
32:52 - Alpha Mike Foxtrot - "Adios Mother Fuckers"
my dad really liked this movie, he was a combat medic on the ground in Vietnam in 1969, wounded from some shrapnel from an RPG
It really happened. I served there from Feb .72 to Dec 72. Linebacker II was the mission.
How an obscure military aviation movie about the Air Force? The movie is called: “ Iron Eagle” It came out in the theaters the same year as Top Gun..
This was adapted from a popular fiction novel series by author Stephen Coonts. It has a similar style to a Tom Clancy Jack Ryan series with Jake Grafton as the main protagonist. Military/political/ technothrillers. A recommended read. BTW. Alpha Mike Foxtrot is aviator code for Adios Mother Effer.
I like this movie cause it shows how Military want to win the war but politicians got in the way from letting them win. Like going into a fight with one hand tied behind your back.
The book series is amazing
36:30 -- RE: Navy versus Air Force distinctions; A: Fun Fact, by the mid-20th century the pilots themselves as well as the service branches they worked for began to draw distinctions between types of flight officers AKA pilots. In the Navy they're called Aviators, and the U.S. Marine Corps also has aviators for a relatively limited set of specialized aircraft, mostly in a ground attack role. The Army and then the Air Force has pilots.
Strangely though, there were also places where the various service branches crossed paths, frequently with the civilian world as well. That is essentially why Test Pilots were a key feature in the development of space exploration programs from the mid-1950s until 1965, because all the hottest pilots and aviators were working as test pilots for extra pay during the cooler period of time between the end of the Korean War and the U.S. entry into Vietnam.
Obscure movie: Maybe Hamburger Hill (1987), Memphis Belle (1990)?
Another Vietnam movie to try is "Platoon", and Willem Dafoe is a good guy in it too.
Came here to say this.
We miss him. He came up through the ranks from Seaman to Rear Admiral and he was SO happy when his son graduated from Navy flight school. He would invite me and my husband into his office every time I came to have lunch with my husband and have wonderful news about his son, and sitting behind him on a small bookshelf was his sons flight helmet. Because he came up the ranks the hard way he was always kind to all the sailors and their families. He also didn't like the political b.s that came with being an Admiral. He expected everyone to work hard but when it was time he expected everyone to play just as hard. And if you know anything about the game cribbage he would "hall wood" every chance he could.
He passed away at the age of 80 a decorated hero. Now his son has made Admiral. Name Admiral Lyal F. Bull. The best, most respected and loved Navy Officer there was.
Lyle Bull and Charlie Hunter are bona-fide legends...... The unauthorized mission that cool hand and Virgil Cole fly in this movie was loosely based on the missionthey actually flew
I have to be honest. I giggled through the whole thing when her shirt read NUG POT!!! LOL!!! Love backwards shots!!! LOL!!!
The final countdown is an early 80s obscure sci-fi military movie but all of the navy content is accurate. I was in the Navy from 1997 to 2001 and in that time I had never heard of a phantom shitter.
Is "Hamburger Hill" obscure? Whether it is or not, it absolutely deserves a watching. "84 Charlie Mopic" is an obscure and very good fictional "found footage" movie about an Army motion picture journalist (the title refers to his MOS - his Military Operational Specialty) imbedded with a LRRP (Long Range Reconnaissance Patrol) team deep in hostile terrirory. "When Hell Was in Session" starring Hal Holbrook is obscure because it's a made for TV movie, but it's an outstanding account Cmdr. Jeremiah Denton's real life experiences as a P.O.W. in Vietnam and the fight by the families of P.O.W.s to not let the U.S. government forget about the P.O.W.s in its haste to wash its hands of the unpopular war. Speaking of P.O.W.s, "Hanoi Hilton" isn't bad, but some people found it too unfocused and too fictionalized. Still worth a look though. "Rescue Dawn" has a typically great performance by Christian Bale as Dieter Dengler who was the second U.S. airman to successfully escape enemy captivity during the Vietnam war. "Pork Chop Hill" starring Gregory Peck is a good Korean War movie based on the true story of soldiers ordered to hold onto a hill against increasingly bad odds even though the U.N. refused to send reinforcements because the hill had no strategic value while at the same time refusing to let the soldiers to withdraw because that would have shown a lack of resolve which would have given the North Koreans and the Communist Chinese an advantage in the negotiations that were going on at that time. "The Steel Helmet" directed by Sam Fuller is a Korean War movie which broke from convention with its dark, deglorified depiction of war. "Go For Broke" is frankly just an okay movie, but it's the only major Hollywood production about the segregated Japanese-American 442nd Regimental Combat Team in WW2. "Gettysburg" isn't obscure, but nobody ever reacts to it despite it being a great movie. Besides, Sam Elliott is in it, and you like Sam Elliott.
WE WERE SOLDIERS is one of the best Vietnam War films and super-accurate.
And of course there's Kubrick's FULL METAL JACKET. While we're talking great Vietnam War films.
An Officer And a Gentleman. A military love story.
I think that was/is quite a big movie. But I see it might be somewhat obscure for them two.
@@antondzajajurca7797 it should be okay. It follows Mayo through officer ground school. With a intense love story.
One of my all-time favorite Navy movies, 20 Navy vet retired. Very cool of you both to react to it. Good channel, good reaction.
God damn it i read that as Flight of the Navigator...
Oh well still watching.
Writer/Director John Milius best known for Conan the Barbarian and Red Dawn is also known for fixing scripts at the last moment for many of his director and actor friends, they will call him up to add a missing spark to their movie. Sean Connery starred in my favorite Milius movie 1975's "The Wind and the Lion" always calls up Milius after working with him to add something to a movie he was in. There are so many stories about Milius in Hollywood and how he has done uncredited rewrites on some of the best movies from the last 50 some years. He was friends with Spielberg, Coppolla, DePalma and George Lucas. They would all gather at pre-screenings watch, listen and give advice on their movies.
Milius also wrote the screenplay for APOCALYPSE NOW (from Conrad's HEART OF DARKNESS and correspondent Michael Herr's nonfiction book, DISPATCHES).
Directing the first CONAN movie was probably his best-known directing job. And he's done endless script-doctoring and rewrite jobs.
THE WIND AND THE LION makes a great imperialist double-feature with John Huston's adaptation of Kipling's THE MAN WHO WOULD BE KING, both starring Sean Connery (and the latter also Michael Caine).
Milius, a fiercely militaristic guy, also wrote and directed the kooky (insanely implausible, but highly dramatic), but well-done, with an excellent cast, original RED DAWN. (But the remake stank.)
🎶Downtown
I love a good sing-song. 😀
Air Force had bases in Thailand. Udorn and Takli were the two major bases. F-5 Thuds and Phantoms (among others) flew out of these bases.
Boys in Company C
That is such a great movie, and you can see where Stanley Cubric got his inspirations from when he made Full Metal Jacket ... there where a few similarities there.
Cool reaction as always Mr. & Mrs. Movies, you both take care
Somewhere in my past, there was a wap in the woodpile... Danny Glover, this role was perfect for him!
The A-6 did have Countermeasures like Flares and Chaff. What it did not have usually was Air-to-Air missiles or guns to actually engage enemy fighters. Later on, gunpods might have been an option. But, in Viet Nam, survival for the Intruder depended on high-tech boxes and skillful flying.
"Up North" was North Viet Nam. Where the REAL targets were. Haiphong Harbor and "Downtown" {Hanoi}. The U.S. mainly hit targets in the South like known supply trails and infrastructure nodes. The power plant they hit before going Downtown was a good example of legitimate infrastructure.
The A-6 was designed to be a "bomb-truck" that would be able to operate off carriers, while carrying the maximum possible bombload. If a carrier had the systems to launch a max weight A-6, the A-6 could carry up THIRTY 500 pound unitary bombs or a similar load of Rockeye family cluster bombs. Specialized 'Iron Hand" {the Air Force calls aircraft dedicated to the same job "Wild Weasel"} A-6s had even more black boxes and other electronics to suppress SAMs, and could carry various Air to Surface Radar seeking missiles. In Viet Nam the earliest option {IIRC} for the Navy was a the "Starm" {Standard ARM} dedicated Anti-SAM missile built on the airframe of the Standard family of medium range SAMs that U.S. Navy ships carried for air defense.
"Alpha-Mike-Foxtrot" is military phonetics for "AMF" {Adios Motherfucker} a way of saying "Goodbye" while sounding tough.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grumman_A-6_Intruder
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northrop_Grumman_EA-6B_Prowler
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_82_bomb
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CBU-100_Cluster_Bomb
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RIM-66_Standard
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AGM-78_Standard_ARM
A survival knife wouldn't be strange to see on a Navy pilot. They would be standard issue. It makes sense that a pilot would carry a knife in case they needed to cut straps and for general survival if they go down. I'm surprised John Milius would keep that idea in the movie since he is known to be a big military buff.
Final countdown, uss Indianapolis, lost battalion, greyhound,firebase Gloria,operation dumbo drop, best beer run ever, Sergeant york,sand pebbles, thirty seconds over Tokyo, the big red one,thin red line, rescue dawn, the outpost.
I know it sounds weird, but A-6 is one of my favorite/best looking plane of all times :D
100%. It’s a plane with a lot of character and presence. It was a fantastic design by the iconic Grumman, who had a knack for unique planes like the Tomcat, Hellcat & Avenger.
I WAS TOO YOUNG TO SERVE IN VIETNAM BUT I WAS 15 YEARS OLD IN 1972!! THE POSSIBILITY OF BEING DRAFTED INTO THE MILITARY AND SERVING IN VIETNAM WAS IN THE BACK OF EVERY MALES MIND AT THAT TIME!! IT WAS BASICALLY OVER BY THE TIME I GRADUATED HIGH SCHOOL AND THEY HAD DONE AWAY WITH THE DRAFT!!
I FEEL THAT IF OUR MILITARY WAS GIVEN A GREEN LIGHT TO FIGHT THE WAY THEY NEEDED TO FIGHT WE WOULD NOT HAVE LOST THE WAR IN VIETNAM WE COULD HAVE PUSHED RIGHT TO THE CHINESE BORDER BUT THE POLITICIANS KEPT THE MILITARY'S HANDS TIED FOR MOST OF THE YEARS THAT WE SPENT IN VIETNAM!! AND UNFORTUNATELY 58,000 MEN LOST THEIR LIVES BECAUSE OF THIS FOOLISHNESS!! REALLY FOR ABSOLUTELY NO REASON AT ALL!!
GOD BLESS OUR VETERANS AND GOD BLESS THE UNITED STATES MILITARY, ALL BRANCHES!!!
It's also wouldn't have happened, had the US not gone back on their agreement to keep the French from recolonizing, post WW2. Up until the US broke faith and supported the French, Vietnam and more importantly Ho Chi Mihn, had been allies throughout WW2 and Mihn had been a great admirer of the US, democracy and the US Constitution.
As a kid we had this on VHS along with Top Gun so I saw both movies an equal amount of times during my core memory years. Nowadays, even with nostalgia, I recognize that this is flawed and clunky, but I still enjoy it and watch it regularly. I finally read the book last year, which is much better, and picked up the blu-ray recently.
Please please please fit hacksaw ridge in, it’s based on a true story and it’s truly right up there with the best ww2 movies of all time
So A-6s above Vietnam in 1972 = NOT based on real history?
@@dallesamllhals9161 I mean…I never said it was or wasn’t because I just don’t know…I just said hacksaw ridge is based on a true story…because that I know
@@Sethronskillz Well, it is. Never said otherwise..did i?
Desmond Doss a pacifist and an american - hard to belive these days!?
Sry' i'm danish = pretty much a socialist 😛
Great film
Defense in this context means ECM, Electronic Counter-Measures against enemy radar and their accompanying ground-to-air missiles, which made hitting the heavily protected North Vietnamese target sites so dangerous to American pilots. (As witness how many were shot down and killed or made POWs.)
Specifically, the brother plane to the Intruder, the EA6B Prowler electronic warfare craft that specializes in jamming enemy radar and firing anti-radiation missiles (HARMS) that home in on enemy radar sites. Prowlers would accompany Intruders on missions to protect them with defensive measures.
The Prowler was eventually replaced by the EA-18G Growler, a modification of the F/A-18 Hornet.
I joined the Navy in 93. In 91 this was filmed, my squadron was the one that did all the flight videos and on ship scenes. So this film actually has some personal interest to me.
I keep saying this, but you have got the best patrons. Their special requests never disappoint. I also keep saying this, but your kids are just too darn cute.
You're right. It would be hard to shoot you down with SAMs, because they aren't made to hit targets that low. An example is the WWII attack on the battle ship Bismark. Swordfish bi-planes hit it with torpedos. The Bismark had the latest air defense targeting system in existence. The Swordfish were relatively slow, lumbering planes. The brain of the targeting system could not conceive of a target flying that slow and so it was very inaccurate, allowing the planes' success.
Heaven & Earth ('93, Vietnam), The Thin Red Line ('98, WW2 Pacific) & Rescue Dawn ('06, Vietnam)
The sniper at the end has a Mosin Nagant model 1944 carbine with a scope on it. The North Vietnamese got lots of those. I have the same thing, except with a modern scope mount and intermediate eye relief scope.
The movie follows the Book pretty closely. great movie.
Another somewhat obscure Vietnam war movie also starring Danny Glover is Bat 21. Loosely based off of real events.
A Bridge Too Far is one of my most fav movies.
Last film by milius.
Panned by critics.
This movie about low level bombers makes me wonder how much the A-10 Thunderbolts would have changed the outcome of the war. They are the perfect low level troop support planes that can destroy tanks, other fighters, SAM targets and can bomb targets also. And with that 20mm Brrrrrrrrt gun would have done so much damage.
Key Word in “Air Defense Weapons” is “Weapon”.
Chaff and Flares are “Countermeasures” not Weapons.
Weps are Guns and Air-to-Air Missiles (e.g. AIM-7 Sparrows and AIM-9 Sidewinders).
It was a loser strategy for the Americans, think of it the enemy was coming from North Vietnam and our boys were not allowed to go after them. Nixon did force the North to negotiate by bombing the North that Johnson would not.
The politicians lost the war. The military despite being handcuffed, won the military war.
A good obscure war movie about the war on terror is The Outpost.
Coast guard has their own aviation community also. Mostly helos, some c130 pilots.
Every branch has their own "air corp". Army is helicopters, air force is just about every fixed winged air craft from a land base, so longer range bombers and their escort aircraft. As well as fighters when there is a land base. Navy is any aircraft they can yeet off a carrier for bombing and air to air when the theater of operations is closer to the ocean than a friendly land base. Marines run helicopter and a couple fixed wing planes mainly as air support for the mairnes.
The Air Force is a spin-off from the Army. They were originally the Army Air Corp, thus the land based approach. I knew someone that had enlisted in the Army and retired from the Air Force since the split happened during his service. Quick US plane tip: A for attack, F for fighter, B for bomber, SR for surveillance and reconnaissance; though, there is crossover in many cases, but the lettering gives an idea of its designed strong points. Numbering is progressive but not continuous. There's an F-14, F-15, F-16, and F-18, but no F-17.
While in the prototype stage, a Y is usually prepended to the designation - and there was an YF-17, but it wasn't adopted (at least not in that form, it's said to have been scaled up and became the F/A-18...), thus no F-17.
24:21 - a missed opportunity for an added sound effect of a constant mechanical humming noise.
All I can think of when seeing that word in the title is "@n@l intruder" from the movie "Top Secret!" 😁
There was a hit movie with Louis Gossett Jr, "Iron Eagle" that had 2 sequels.
I have a few tales that go with this movie.
A.M.F. means Adios My Friend (clean version) and I am sure you can guess the alternative.
Regarding the malfunctioning equipment that they had to kick,...there once was a classified item that I worked with that the techs unofficially confided to me that the first thing I should do is dismount it, let it drop from about waist height to reseat the boards and then remount it. If that didn't work, then it was time to send for them.
Two good books to understand the political restrictions, Rule Of Engagement ROE we put on the guys we sent over there to fight the war: Thud Ridge and Going Downtown: The War Against Hanoi and Washington both written by Jack Broughton a USAF pilot flew F-105s during the war. Some rules at various times included could not attack enemy SAM sites until they became operational and could not attack enemy airfields or enemy aircraft on the ground.
Thud Ridge is an Excellent book.
A-6 Intruders were more like bombers without guns so yeah. They're the new B-17 without the gun turrents at the time.
The A-6 could fly during the day or night and in all kinds of weather. It could carry up to 18,000lbs of bombs. Compare this to a B-17 used during WW2 that could only carry up to 8,000lbs. AMF (Alpha Mike Foxtrot) is military jargon for Adios M_ther F_cker. The A-6B variant was used for Iron Hand missions, or SAM suppression, using Shrike missiles. You asked about the wingman during the scene where Boxman and Leto were killed by a SAM. This was a 2-plane mission with Cool Hand and Tiger (Willem Dafoe) in one A-6 and Boxman and Leto in the other. In A-6 terminology, you have a Pilot and a Bombardier/Navigator (BN). One of the best lines in the movie you edited out. After the fight breaks out, Razor grabs a taxi and says, "Do you have room in here for a 6-pack and pizza"? The driver replies, "Sure, sailor". Razor leans over the back seat and vomits lol.
Never good when the Skipper comes out and waits for you to land. Serious bollocking normally follows 😦
Air Force is only ground based. Navy has their own pilots and special plans. However there is one special division that has a small hand full of planes that launch ground or sea that is the marines.
wasn't a crocodile either; it was a caiman.
Pilots like the accuracy of this movie when it comes to radio communication and other details.
I remember when this was coming out and having been interested in military vehicles, I was aware of the A-6 Intruder. I just didn't see the movie in the theater.
Thousands of U.S. aircraft went down during the Vietnam War, so it was common for them to get shot down.
Willem Dafoe's best role imvho is as a Sgt in the Vietnam War movie Platoon. This movie was so shocking to me when I first saw it on VHS that when it finished I rewound the tape & I watched the whole thing again. Has a very good cast, if you haven't seen it you might want to put it on your list.
vietnam movies..... the green berets, deer hunter, apocalypse now, boys in company c, good morning in vietnam, hamburger hill, full metal jacket, bat 21, born on the fourth of july, casualties of war, we where soldiers are the only other good ones i can think of.
Army has planes but not a lot of front line air superiority fighters. They have a LOT of helicopters.
The Navy has a lot of planes and helicopters and deploy from carriers and carrier strike groups, but they have a lot of air stations as well.
The Marine Corps has a lot of the same stuff but less in numbers and way less in budget.
The Air Force has a giant budget, lots of planes and is actually three services in one.
In the 90's they all had well-defined roles, but since the War on Terror, the idea of "Joint Operations" blurred the lines a lot.
BAT-21, Uncommon Valor, Iron Eagle (think of it as a comedy) and Catch-22. RARELY viewed movies.
obscure war movies:
Hamburger Hill, it kind of sums up the war in Vietnam perfectly, you'll have to watch to know what that means. it was shot in sequence from beginning to end with mostly unknown actors at the time, everyday they would load up on a bus to go to the filming location for the day and there would be one less actor every morning as their characters would die off. nobody but the two actors know what was whispered between them during the final scene.
less obscure would be Platoon, which is just an excellent film, I only mention it because Mr. Movies didn't
and We Were Solders, a fairly accurate adaptation of the book We Were Soldiers Once, and Young which is a very accurate telling of the first major engagement between the US Army and the People's Army of Vietnam, it takes place over 5 days (Nov 14 - 19 1965) in the central highlands of South Vietnam.
my dad loved all 3 of these movies, and would highly recommend them as good movies about Vietnam, he served as a combat medic in 1969.
then there are the 2 obvious ones in Kubric's Full Metal Jacket and Coppola's Apocalypse Now
I think the best 2 I could recommend would be "To Hell and Back" and "Greyhound".
Defensive weapons would be guns and air to air missiles. A6 did have chaff/flares.
BAT 21 is another great Vietnam War movie telling the story of the overlooked and fearless Forward Air Control pilots flying converted civilian light aircraft to find and mark targets for airstrikes and coordination with ground forces. Also starring Danny Glover.
Good call! 😎 Barely beat me to it. 😁
@@Unolewaya I own a copy of Sock it to 'em baby by FAC pilot Gary Cooper(RAAF, Medal Of Honour nominee and no not the singer) who flew the O1 Birddog while on exchange with the USAF during Vietnam. An autobiography that helps shed light on the FAC's War, it's an easy read and provides insight into the attitude and willingness to risk all for ground pounders. It's still available on Amazon if you are interested.
@@rodneypayne4827 Thanks, I’ll look into it. It sounds like something that I might like to add to my library.
AMF- Adios Mother Falcon.... or something like that
R.I.P. Brad Johnson.
Got excited and thought this was Flight Of The Navigator... Intruder is a classic, but you guys need to watch Navigator.
If you really want a good book series that covers naval aviation really well, try Ward Carrol’s “Punk’s War” trilogy.
Siege of Firebase Gloria is another "unknown" war flick. It's a little rough, but it's damn entertaining! Also, "Kelly's Heroes"; a good WWII comedy.
Kelly's Heroes is awesome, especially Clint Eastwood, plus too many legend actors to list
Sorry to comment so late, but I just watched this movie for the first time myself today, and I wanted to see a reaction to it.
Just on general principles, you don't make up a mission on your own and execute it. But especially not given their circumstances. Remember, this movie is set very late in the war (December 1972). By that point, all US combat troops had been withdrawn, and the peace negotiations in Paris were nearly finalized. Total withdrawal would come just two months later. Bombing the shit out of the enemy's capital city on the eve of the signing of a peace treaty is... inadvisable. However, as one last-ditch move to try and get a better deal, the North Vietnamese walked away from the table in Paris, probably at the very same time the guys were singing their showtune after bombing SAM City. So Nixon authorized Linebacker II, and the North Vietnamese were persuaded to end their shenanigans.
"Go Tell The Spartans" (1978) starring Burt Lancaster was one of the earliest American Vietnam War movies (and film critic Roger Ebert thought it was one of the best), and it turned out to be surprising prescient of how the war would eventually play out.
It is kind of funny that you find it hard to take Willelm Defoe as a good guy. His breakout role was in Platoon....as a good guy.
Also, you didn't recognize Tom Sizemore, the pilot who was killed and the motivation for them to bomb Hanoi. He was Mike in Saving Private Ryan.
Nixon, who got elected in 1968 on the promise to end the war, sent a delegation to Paris headed by Henry Kissinger to negotiate a peace deal with the North Vietnam gov't. Bombings of the North and in particular the capital, Hanoi, was restricted to keep the communist at the negotiating table. That is what the movie is referring to when Glover says, "the targets are chosen for political reasons." This policy was highly criticized since it was the unrestricted bombing of Germany and Japan which was KEY to winning WW2 for the Allies. And many felt that with America's air supremacy it would only take a few weeks of unrestricted bombing to reduce North Vietnam to rubble. However the reality was quite different. Unlike, Germany or even Japan, Vietnam was not an _industrialized_ country. They were not producing their own arms, rather their armament was coming from primarily China and Russia and was being transported by hand and ox cart. So, bombing campaigns had limited effect on their ability to wage war on the South.
However, in 1971, it became clear that the North was just dragging out the talks and had no real interest in a negotiated peace which left the South intact and independent. So, in response to an ultimatum by Kissinger, the North's delegation left the Paris Peace Talks. This angered Nixon, whose presidency had so far been dominated by the war and the unrest it created at home. Remember, he was elected to end the war and now was being seen as responsible for it. So, Nixon ordered _Operation Linebacker_ which was a bombing campaign of the north designed to isolate Hanoi, the capital, by destroying roads and bridges which were also used to transport materials south. And for the most part it worked in that after a few months Hanoi returned to the peace talks.
But the cost of Operation Linebacker exhausted the Pentagon's budget and Nixon's Defense Secretary suggested he approach the Democratic Congress for a supplemental defense appropriation. But Democrat's in Congress were reluctant to allocate any more money since this gave them the opportunity to hang the entire War, started by them, and it's loss around the Republican President's neck.