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  • Linux is known for having a wide range of hardware support, but that may even include devices that don't actually exist like the Carillo Ranch CPU platform from Intel that doesn't exist at all online
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  • @shApYT
    @shApYT Před 6 měsíci +827

    Brodie, please stop violating Tux in the thumbnail. We talked about this. It is not appropriate or nice to do that to Tux. Just because he does not verbally object to it doesn't make it okay.

  • @Sollace
    @Sollace Před 6 měsíci +686

    Props to that one guy out there mainlining KDE Plasma on their 1.2GHz single-core intel printer CPU.

    • @seedney
      @seedney Před 6 měsíci +22

      actually - good os without bloatware, and it's still usable today - but no to plasma - it's bloatware ;)

    • @GerardLementec
      @GerardLementec Před 6 měsíci +26

      ​@@seedneyhow is plasma bloat

    • @applecastaway4256
      @applecastaway4256 Před 6 měsíci +75

      @@GerardLementecit got a gui it’s bloat /s

    • @shApYT
      @shApYT Před 6 měsíci +54

      I call it the granny test. If my grandma can use it, then it is clearly bloated.@@GerardLementec

    • @GerardLementec
      @GerardLementec Před 6 měsíci

      @@applecastaway4256 there are people that actually think this which is really weird

  • @teslainvestah5003
    @teslainvestah5003 Před 6 měsíci +207

    Support for Carillo Ranch should be continued in case of sidewinding time travelers. If a time traveler from a timeline that diverged from ours just before the successful launch of carillo ranch in his timeline sidewinds into our timeline while carrying a Carillo Ranch Linux machine, he should be able to downgrade his kernel to the latest common ancestor of his kernel and our kernel and then upgrade his kernel to the latest version of our kernel to get the security patches that are relevant to the malware biosphere of our internet, without losing support for his own processor and stranding himself here because he can't contact his guild leader anymore.
    Even if you hate time travelers, you have to be concerned that his body might flash-rot a few years after his divorce from the voice of Miandir. That could take out a city, especially if he doesn't self-isolate because he doesn't _know_ he's divorced from the voice of Miandir, because without a computer to receive such a rare warning, why would a time traveler ever guess that they are the only time traveler on earth?
    Sean, are you out there in this comments section, researching Linux support for Carillo Ranch? It's me, David. GET OUT OF THE CITY! You are divorced!
    I have done almost all I can to prevent catastrophe. The Linux foundation, it seems, has not, although I never knew them to be anarchists. Is it possible that they don't know about sidewinder resource fuzzing at all? Usagi's second pillar of universal hospitality?
    They absolutely must have an ambassador singleton, nobody achieves this level of coherency without one. So who is in charge of hospitality?

    • @HappyBeezerStudios
      @HappyBeezerStudios Před 5 měsíci +8

      We also should offer support for time travelers using their iAPX 432 and IA-64 laptops.
      After all the 8086 was just a rushed stopgap until the real successor to the 8008 and 8080 was out: the 8800
      And a proper IA-32 successor was only possible thank's to engineers at HP and Merced launched in 1998 to immense success.

    • @JamesTDG
      @JamesTDG Před 5 měsíci +1

      That's not time travel, that's multiverse travel. If they want an updated Linux device, they better find a way to phone gone with something functional in our universe

    • @neoqwerty
      @neoqwerty Před 5 měsíci +1

      @@JamesTDG this is how you wind up accidentally inventing SHODAN I think

  • @Davixxa
    @Davixxa Před 6 měsíci +295

    I've found exactly two references to Carillo Ranch that isn't about the driver support being dropped. One from 2008 and one from 2013. One is an error log on the Gentoo forums that mentions a Carillo Ranch MCH Device not being found.
    The other is the same but on the Lenovo forums.

    • @JessicaFEREM
      @JessicaFEREM Před 6 měsíci +10

      lol

    • @Octahedran
      @Octahedran Před 6 měsíci +67

      So either way the references still are about it not existing lmao

    • @AidanMacgregor-Personal
      @AidanMacgregor-Personal Před 6 měsíci +10

      ​@@Octahedranhaha fair!

    • @daniellapain1576
      @daniellapain1576 Před 6 měsíci +11

      and it wouldn't run that damn laptop unless the driver was present. I have the feeling someone programming the drivers was using this driver as a workaround to bypass a security measure on the machine for linux. I ran into that issue on an emachine laptop as well. The processor was dual core on both laptops.

    • @sierra991
      @sierra991 Před 5 měsíci +1

      ​@@JessicaFEREMwhy are you everywhere

  • @jbird4478
    @jbird4478 Před 6 měsíci +191

    Tech people have such a warped view of hardware specs now. I remember a time when all of the world ran on lesser hardware. What's now discarded as a useless 1,2 ghz once ran the international banking system and the leading armies of the world.

    • @xaviervanzyl9299
      @xaviervanzyl9299 Před 6 měsíci +6

      not to be contrarian because I also somewhat agree, but I've heard a couple times about people bringing up how we first got to the moon with hardware as powerful as our current smartphones

    • @sylvercritter
      @sylvercritter Před 6 měsíci +49

      @@xaviervanzyl9299 *less* powerful. like they had 4 Kb of RAM.

    • @toxicpsion
      @toxicpsion Před 6 měsíci +54

      @@xaviervanzyl9299 we got to the moon with hardware as powerful as a 1990's graphing calculator. the scale of current processing power is almost incomprehensible.

    • @brettfo
      @brettfo Před 6 měsíci +30

      Try browsing the web on a low-teir laptop from 2008 for a month and then bemoan the warped perspective.

    • @ukyoize
      @ukyoize Před 6 měsíci

      ​@@brettfo Browsing is warped and javascript is punishment for our sins.

  • @DDracee
    @DDracee Před 6 měsíci +45

    this will probly clear things up a bit; vermillion range is the codename for the cpu, carillo ranch is the codename for the motherboard that implements the vermillion range chipset
    so... EP80579 goes into the LE80578

  • @C1rnobyl
    @C1rnobyl Před 6 měsíci +47

    Why install the printer in Linux, when you can install Linux right into the Printer? XD

  • @dorukayhanwastaken
    @dorukayhanwastaken Před 6 měsíci +60

    2:39 A lot of things can get done with a 0.048 GHz ARM SoC that has less non-volatile storage than this thing has cache. 1.2 GHz is _plenty._

    • @CptJistuce
      @CptJistuce Před 6 měsíci +9

      640 megahertz should be enough for anybody.

    • @annieworroll4373
      @annieworroll4373 Před 6 měsíci +16

      The Z80, even in its original form, drop in compatible with classic hardware, still has wide deployment in embedded applications, and is still being manufactured. The CPU on my TS1000 dies, I just hop on Digikey, spend a few bucks, a couple days later it will be up and running again. In that particular system, you're looking at 3.5mhz or .0035ghz.
      There's a couple 6502 variants still being made for similar use cases, though I'm not sure if they're drop in compatible with the classic form the way currently available Z80s are.
      Most hobbyist microcontroller projects use an Atmega 328, another slow 8 bit chip(16mhz in the Arduino Uno)

    • @helidrones
      @helidrones Před 6 měsíci +6

      I still own an Epson HX-20 driven by two Hitachi 6301 (a CMOS variant of 6800 from which the 6502 has been derived) running at 614kHz. Back then it was a very capable device, could run for 24 hrs on 4 C-sized NiCd batteries, had a built in dot matrix printer, a true notebook sized keyboard, an relay interface for a cash drawer, two UARTS, a barcode reader interface, swappable ROM cartridges and an optional tape drive. One could argue that it was the great-grandpa of modern notebooks.

    • @damouze
      @damouze Před 5 měsíci +2

      @@annieworroll4373 Believe it or not, but the MCU core on some PS/2 to USB converters are 6502 based.

    • @annieworroll4373
      @annieworroll4373 Před 5 měsíci +2

      @@damouze I'm not surprised. I would doubt that would be all that complicated, since it doesn't need remotely the whole USB spec, so ancient cores could do it.

  • @knightmarSPZM
    @knightmarSPZM Před 6 měsíci +102

    It was a driver for audio devices handling audio on weddings on Leo Carrillo Ranch. No more weddings in linux world. I suppose it wasn't really used that often anyway.

    • @Vicorcivius
      @Vicorcivius Před 6 měsíci +7

      Nooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!1111111111

    • @FantomMisfit
      @FantomMisfit Před 6 měsíci +6

      Well yeah getting married in this day and age as a Male is just a bad idea Marriage is a contract and any contract the rewards someone for breaking it is a bad contract

    • @mx248
      @mx248 Před 6 měsíci +4

      ​@@FantomMisfit So then just get a bespoke contract that's to your mutual satisfaction, yeah? 🤔

    • @FantomMisfit
      @FantomMisfit Před 6 měsíci

      @mx248 In my experience prenups aren't worth the paper they're printed on...its really down to the Judge's whim whether it'll be honored or not. Judge's can literally just decide nah and screw you anyway (and they do) idk what country you're from but in the US the marriage contract is a really bad deal for males and no guy with something to lose should ever agree to it. Edit: I'm not saying don't date or look for love but maybe just skip the whole getting married part

    • @PadaV4
      @PadaV4 Před 6 měsíci

      @@mx248 High chance a judge would just throw it out because its not "fair" to the women. In this age any marriage contract is of dubious use.

  • @superpou184
    @superpou184 Před 6 měsíci +113

    intel generations 1-3, when the mobile cpus were marked with "M". instead of being soldered to the board, they were actually removable.

    • @stanb1455
      @stanb1455 Před 6 měsíci +9

      Haswell (Core I gen 4) had M-marked mobile CPUs in sockets too, not to mention all the stuff prior.

    • @dutchdykefinger
      @dutchdykefinger Před 6 měsíci +5

      i shudder at teh thought of an embedded/baked-on nehalem chip :')

    • @Padgriffin
      @Padgriffin Před 6 měsíci +7

      It depended on the implementation- soldered mobile CPUs weren’t uncommon (the i5-3320M in an ThinkPad X230 would be soldered while the same CPU in a ThinkPad T430 would be socketed, for example). IIRC Haswell was the last generation to have socketed options, with the most commonly found example being the ThinkPad T440p, but only for the -M and -MQs and not the ULV chips.

    • @p3chv0gel22
      @p3chv0gel22 Před 6 měsíci +3

      ​@@Padgriffinit was the last Generation with official socketed CPUs
      You can get even modern CPUs socketed (but only through sketchy channels)

    • @HappyBeezerStudios
      @HappyBeezerStudios Před 5 měsíci

      That chip is much older. 90nm and from 2008? That sounds like a Pentium M derivate.

  • @ChrispyNut
    @ChrispyNut Před 6 měsíci +120

    Thank you for bringing this to my attention, Brodie. I will immediately get on to the Kernel team to let them know I need to this to remain as I often use my printer as my primary computer and as you may imagine, operating at 1 frame every 4 seconds (once the drum's warmed up) means I'm prone to clicking on the wrong button and with ads so often being malware and the CPU being too weak to run an ad-block, it's important I have the latest security patches.

    • @ME0WMERE
      @ME0WMERE Před 6 měsíci +35

    • @ChrispyNut
      @ChrispyNut Před 6 měsíci +13

      @@ME0WMERE If only you were always around when I'm crafting code 😆

    •  Před 6 měsíci +5

      If you're lucky you may be able to squeeze out an extra frame of you install libreboot

    • @FireStormOOO_
      @FireStormOOO_ Před 6 měsíci +11

      You joke, but Ricoh for example ships their copiers with some Android variant, they include the stock browser, and I have found rare cause to use it for testing...

    • @bryede
      @bryede Před 6 měsíci +2

      Whew. I'm glad I'm not the only one. Do you guys chat somewhere?

  • @Vatharian
    @Vatharian Před 6 měsíci +15

    That's Intel's First SoC since 80386SX. Also that's Pentium M, so basically Pentium 3 with PCIe 1.0 root, embedded DDR2 memory controller and MCH glued UNDERNEATH the CPU.
    It had astonishingly high failure rate. I knew of this platform from marine gas cargo control systems but never thought it was in laptops.

    • @HappyBeezerStudios
      @HappyBeezerStudios Před 5 měsíci

      Hmm, right, that was before the Quark X1000, that only came in 2013
      Could be something stemming from Dothan (80536) or it's low power cousin Stealey, but with reduced cache. Those were produced in the right node, period, and clocks.

  • @Ezukah
    @Ezukah Před 6 měsíci +10

    What about if we have Ram Ranch hardware. Do we need to send pics of that?

  • @odorikakeru
    @odorikakeru Před 6 měsíci +37

    Movidius is still a bit of a sore point. A project I was involved with at the time got scuppered partly because Intel bought Movidius and refused to sell or license their chips.
    (That wasn’t the only reason the project died, but it was one of the nails in the coffin)

    • @gregor3099
      @gregor3099 Před 6 měsíci +1

      Would you mind expanding a little more?

    • @odorikakeru
      @odorikakeru Před 6 měsíci +7

      @@gregor3099 I can’t really go into specifics because that wouldn’t be fair to the customer (even though I think the NDA has probably expired by now). It involved using a neural net for obstacle detection and indoor navigation. Fairly commonplace now, but it was exciting at the time.

  • @obake6290
    @obake6290 Před 6 měsíci +16

    Seen this a few times now. Intel is so good at upstreaming that they put in work on in-development products. Sometimes these never make it to market, and Intel then removes the drivers for them. I recall this happening with some AI driver or another a while back.
    Of course, usually they don't look at it like "What the hell is this?"

  • @johnsavard7583
    @johnsavard7583 Před 6 měsíci +9

    And here I thought this video would be about Linux dropping support for System/380, the imaginary CPU that MVS/380 runs on (it's a trick to allow a slightly modified version of MVS 3.8 to run MVS/XA software).

  • @androimirage335
    @androimirage335 Před 6 měsíci +86

    Laser printers can last a while, and may need at least a new LTS kernel for security updates to prevent various buffer overflow BadUSB and network exploits (there was a buffer overflow on the Linux driver for Intel Gigabit NIC just several weeks ago).
    Maybe that printer is old enough not to do USB Host or Ethernet. But nowadays, we need to perpetually update any hardware with new software, or replace it, or put it behind an FPGA stateless firewall between a USB to USB data transfer cable (hint: that third option isn't really much available to the public yet).

    • @orbatos
      @orbatos Před 6 měsíci +10

      Or just use any router/routing software or a dedicated print server. A Pi3 would work fine.

    • @mskiptr
      @mskiptr Před 6 měsíci +15

      Well, if anyone decides to try and update any such system, the driver can be just brought back. It's not like it's being erased from the git history

    • @brettfo
      @brettfo Před 6 měsíci +8

      It's fairly common to patch/maintain old kernels in legacy hw rather than upgrading the kernel.

    • @orbatos
      @orbatos Před 6 měsíci +6

      @@brettfo of course this only goes so far. At a certain point mitigation may require patches that cripple performance to hack in backported security features or in some cases it may not be feasible with a given hardware configuration. In stand-alone situations the best next step is a gateway providing the missing abstractions and often containerization of whatever legacy endpoints were used.
      This isn't a new approach, and it's even been done with contemporary systems that are still being updated where security is paramount; big iron, telemetry, automated production, distributed clusters, etc.
      Sometimes even with sneakernet airgap, I worked with one of these in the form of a payroll printing system in a secure facility where the printer interface had 3 layers of emulation and still wasn't allowed on the local network.

    • @brettfo
      @brettfo Před 6 měsíci +4

      @@orbatos if the customer is paying enough then anything is possible. I suspect when it comes to printers, the majority of customers would rather buy a new printer.

  • @Alpine_flo92002
    @Alpine_flo92002 Před 6 měsíci +5

    Intel Movidius does exist. It is a Vision Processing Unit that is added into select CPUs

  • @EwanMarshall
    @EwanMarshall Před 6 měsíci +15

    Looked up support page for one of those printers, most recent firmware is July, and those printers are big photocopier type ones. HP might still need support, then again, they might not.

    • @stevethepocket
      @stevethepocket Před 6 měsíci +6

      HP is probably thrilled that they have an excuse to drop support for some of their products.

    • @BrodieRobertson
      @BrodieRobertson  Před 6 měsíci +9

      I really doubt they're running anything close to modern

    • @EwanMarshall
      @EwanMarshall Před 6 měsíci +3

      @@stevethepocketConsidering the support of some of their new products... seriously, which can't they just have ACPI _DSD data in the UEFI firmware images for the amplifiers they are add between the DAC and the speakers in their laptops? Seriously this is an issue, ASUS has this problem to. There is long lists in the Linux kernel drivers for different models to turn the amplifiers on.

    • @martenkahr3365
      @martenkahr3365 Před 6 měsíci +3

      @@BrodieRobertson Not to mention HP probably isn't interested in running Linux on one of their outdated printer CPUs. After all, removal of this driver doesn't mean the printers using this CPU suddenly stop having driver support, or that you can't write new firmware or drivers for the printer itself. It just means that the CPU in them can no longer be used to run the Linux kernel.

    • @HappyBeezerStudios
      @HappyBeezerStudios Před 5 měsíci +1

      If they want support on their hardware, they could just revive HP-UX

  • @marcelomafra
    @marcelomafra Před 6 měsíci +10

    Wow! That HP printer. No good memories from that one. A blast from the past form one the most expensive and problematic (not counting some deskjet) printers I had to work with and with an awful support in warranty, from HP.

  • @ai-spacedestructor
    @ai-spacedestructor Před 6 měsíci +5

    all this talk about Carrilo Ranch makes me imagine someone preparing food on computer hardware thats openly laying on a table somwhere.

  • @ayumitoshiyuki5619
    @ayumitoshiyuki5619 Před 6 měsíci +8

    maybe somewhere in a parallel universe, this cpu was actually used, and some random kernel pr got merged to the wrong universe, ours

    • @dutchdykefinger
      @dutchdykefinger Před 6 měsíci +2

      that same universe still shits the bed on rockchip 6 cores lol

    • @NorthernChimp
      @NorthernChimp Před 6 měsíci

      Git use in metaphysics

  • @JohnVance
    @JohnVance Před 6 měsíci +5

    Never would have guessed HP would have an x86 SBC instead of Arm.

    • @HappyBeezerStudios
      @HappyBeezerStudios Před 5 měsíci +3

      That chip is from 2008, so they could've used a Cortex-M1 or Cortex-A9, or perhaps some ARMv6 solution. Which wouldn't even be out of place, Nintendo DS, original Raspberry Pi B+, the first generation nvidia TEgra, Qualcomm MSM7200, a buunch of late pre-Android phones.

  • @someguy782
    @someguy782 Před 6 měsíci +10

    Brb, building a desktop around that printer motherboard.

  • @chainq68k
    @chainq68k Před 6 měsíci +5

    Wasn't the whole FOSS movement started by Stallman not being able to upgrade his printer or something? So, careful with removing FOSS support for printers... :)

  • @alexanderstohr4198
    @alexanderstohr4198 Před 6 měsíci +2

    Its still a big achievement to realize a working driver, even if product management of the chip maker company finally decides that it wont see sufficient business cases to start production.

  • @GSBarlev
    @GSBarlev Před 6 měsíci +18

    When I clicked and when you said Intel, I thought this was going to be about Pathfinder, Intel's RISC-V project that only ever existed inside their "Simics" simulator (is that somehow distinct from an emulator?)

    • @TurtleKwitty
      @TurtleKwitty Před 6 měsíci +9

      Emultaors emulate real things simulators simulate fake scenarios

    • @TheExileFox
      @TheExileFox Před 6 měsíci +2

      An emulator generally doesn't mainly run synthetic tests

    • @CptJistuce
      @CptJistuce Před 6 měsíci +1

      Emulator and simulator have very similar meanings, and which term is used is more down to stylistic preference.

    • @Roxor128
      @Roxor128 Před 6 měsíci +2

      Generally, I'd say that "emulator" gets used for hardware that's been released, while "simulator" gets used for hardware that's under development.

    • @NorthernChimp
      @NorthernChimp Před 6 měsíci

      Half-way in your sentence, I thought oh * did they drop support for the Mars probe

  • @AceMcCrank
    @AceMcCrank Před 6 měsíci +6

    Looks like the Intel EP80579 processor is used in some NAS and network devices. Axiomtek's NA-200A, and Netgear's ReadyNAS NVX both seem to use it.

    • @computer_toucher
      @computer_toucher Před 5 měsíci

      So even more crap than the little Atom in the Ultra 2 duo from around the same time that I had? Amazing.

    • @ABaumstumpf
      @ABaumstumpf Před 5 měsíci

      @@computer_toucher For a NAS they are more than fast enough.

  • @BenjaminWheeler0510
    @BenjaminWheeler0510 Před 6 měsíci +15

    Please bring this back. I use the eepy ceepyu (emulated on qemu of course) and this update breaks my flow. Now I can’t update 😿

  • @JoeStuffzAlt
    @JoeStuffzAlt Před 6 měsíci +1

    The funny thing is that we'll find that one guy right after it's removed

  • @valenrn8657
    @valenrn8657 Před 6 měsíci +2

    From Tomshardware
    _As far as we can tell, Carillo Ranch was supposed to be a platform/motherboard for EP80579 embedded CPUs, which combined a Pentium M core known as Tolapai with the Vermillion Range chipset and a memory controller._
    Intel Carrillo Ranch Pentium M compatible Vermillion Range.

  • @QualityDoggo
    @QualityDoggo Před 5 měsíci +2

    The beauty of open source: even if it's been abandoned publicly, if it's being used somewhere it's theoretically possible for someone to make changes and continue maintaining their software. There's also a large number of communities and businesses watching. This way, abandoned software can be removed without massive risks

  • @ChrisXPZ
    @ChrisXPZ Před 6 měsíci +3

    the Portwell CATO-3000 is some networking equipment that uses this processor too!

  • @Amaqse
    @Amaqse Před 6 měsíci +5

    One question, u do realize literally all 'combo' printers and office printers use linux under the hood? Even 4 thousand dollar massive office devices like the Xerox ones use linux combined with some slow stable cpu like a pentium 3. Yes there are brand new office printers with pentium 3 era chips inside of them running linux because they are performant enough, and nowadays incredibly cheap. using platforms so old kindergarden childred draw schematics for as a leisure activity. Removing linux support for embeded chips means making the life of device manufacturers much harder.

    • @goaserer
      @goaserer Před 6 měsíci +6

      It was not fully clear from the video but the drivers in question were not for the CPU itself but extended features of the chipset / CPU platform.
      One of the drivers would be specifically used to address integrated NOR Flash memory. The integrated Pentium M CPU in question most likely will still work as usual even after those changes.
      Since Intel, as well as most bigger hardware manufacturers, is part of the Linux Foundation it is somewhat unlikely that anything would be removed that still had any value for manufacturers

    • @HappyBeezerStudios
      @HappyBeezerStudios Před 5 měsíci

      And I doubt any manufacturer of these devices still offers any support for it anyway.

  • @bleack8701
    @bleack8701 Před 6 měsíci +1

    if there are products that use it and it was launched then it exists? I don't see the issue?

  • @janimakinen1455
    @janimakinen1455 Před 6 měsíci +7

    Interesting! Maybe my HP monster, the lovelily named MFP521dn, has the same Intel insideⓇ, as they mention a "800 MHz processor, 256 MB RAM" in the specs. I'm not planning to upgrade the kernel anytime soon, but I did the recommended software update a while ago, it was to fix a bug in the webserver iirc. :)

  • @Solution-Smith
    @Solution-Smith Před 6 měsíci +2

    Are they going to end support for my teapot with a 418 processor?

  • @ShadowDrakken
    @ShadowDrakken Před 6 měsíci +1

    2014 Lenovo Thinkcentre Edge 73, a secure mini tower may have also been connected to the Carillo Ranch mainboard

  • @autohmae
    @autohmae Před 6 měsíci +2

    Man, I guess we won't be upgrading the kernel on the old printer...

  • @Roxor128
    @Roxor128 Před 6 měsíci +11

    Favourite Intel CPU generation? 486. First PC we owned was a 486DX/33 with 8MB of RAM, so I've got lots of good memories of it. Also the point where x86 was first delivered in a "complete" form, without the need for an external FPU.
    Only other ones I've had were a second-hand Pentium MMX, a Pentium III 500MHz, and a Core i7 3930k. Everything else I've bought has been from AMD, due to being better value for money.

    • @adamrak7560
      @adamrak7560 Před 6 měsíci

      when you program an ESP32 with 4Mbyte RAM and dual core 240MHz, you realize that these old CPUs, like 486DX/100 (which I have had) were very very capable already.

    • @justenkelley7158
      @justenkelley7158 Před 6 měsíci +1

      Like waiting hours for song to download from limewire LOL

    • @Roxor128
      @Roxor128 Před 6 měsíci

      @@justenkelley7158 486 was before the days of MP3 files. You weren't going to waste several megabytes of disk on one song back then. Wasn't even fast enough to do the playback without breaking up, anyway. If you listened to music on your computer back then, it was MIDI or, if you wanted quality, tracker modules. I have lots of both that have been carried over through many machines since then.

    • @kittenisageek
      @kittenisageek Před 6 měsíci

      @@Roxor128 My first PC was an 8088XT with 640kb of RAM and a 10MB hard drive. I remember playing the first "Warcraft" on a 80386 that I quickly upgraded to a 486. I'm pretty sure I had a few MP3s at that time. Hard drives by then were around 400mb and MP3s were amazing when compared to WAV because they took up 1/10th of the space. By the mid 90s, the first Pentiums were hitting the market, and I'm pretty sure that's when WinAMP and Napster started to grow in popularity. So, perhaps the 486 came out before MP3 was developed, but the 486 was still a popular platform at the time and it played MP3s just fine.
      MIDI and MOD (Tracker modules) were awesome. I could fit a dozen MODs on a floppy and they sounded great. I still have a folder with some MODs I collected back in the 80s off an Amiga. Those machines were contemporary with the 286, but absolutely blew them out of the water when it came to audio and graphics.

    • @Radi0he4d1
      @Radi0he4d1 Před 5 měsíci

      Sandy Bridge because that's what I'm still suing

  • @supernovaw39
    @supernovaw39 Před 6 měsíci +5

    I thought that this is going to be about Itanium-64 (IA64)

    • @1DwtEaUn
      @1DwtEaUn Před 6 měsíci +5

      to be fair half of that blame for that one also goes to HP

    • @MarcusHuang-nh9vc
      @MarcusHuang-nh9vc Před 6 měsíci

      that's been a thing for a good few weeks now.

  • @numbertumbers529
    @numbertumbers529 Před 6 měsíci +17

    New Linux ARG dropped?? Is this some kind of SCP type nonsense???

  • @watercat1248
    @watercat1248 Před 5 měsíci

    I know that is probably very apchour protect
    But it's the reason to get the length to stop support i driver ?

  • @progste
    @progste Před 6 měsíci +2

    Where will I farm my carillos now???

  • @imtiredtoday
    @imtiredtoday Před 6 měsíci +4

    Favorite intel cpu generation...
    Yorkfield
    Those things just didn't stop working like at all (yes I'm talking about core 2 quad, specifically a q8200)

    • @HappyBeezerStudios
      @HappyBeezerStudios Před 5 měsíci

      My Harpertown smiles at me from under the desk. Which is just Yorkfield, but dualprocessor capable.

  • @ManuFortis
    @ManuFortis Před 6 měsíci

    Hmmm... seems youtube doesn't like the product name string. You want to look for the EP Eighty Five Seventy Eight, not Nine. It seems from looking at a product page and a recast page intel released, that perhaps it was canned for the new version with no lead in it. Perhaps.

  • @IIGrayfoxII
    @IIGrayfoxII Před 6 měsíci +4

    Remember hearing that a CPU support was removed from the linux kernel, the CPU that was removed never got released.
    So I would think Intel added support for this CPU(either so it worked out of box when it got released or so they could test it in house)
    So it made sense for support for a never released CPU to be removed from the kerenel.
    Heck I am sure the linux kerenel can be heavily stream lined if more ancient hardware support was removed.

    • @peterjohnson9438
      @peterjohnson9438 Před 6 měsíci +2

      No need. The kernel is written in a modular manner, you can compile everything you need right into the kernel while leaving everything unnecessary out. The end result is very fast and efficient.

    • @HappyBeezerStudios
      @HappyBeezerStudios Před 5 měsíci

      @@peterjohnson9438pretty much the best solution. Offer a full package with all the legacy support, but allow for slimming it to make a super streamlined individualised system.

  • @butre.
    @butre. Před 6 měsíci

    these had tolapai SOCs. it's mainly in printers as you've found, routers, etc

  • @cmd.ada.
    @cmd.ada. Před 6 měsíci +4

    hey, at least we got 64 bits in emdeded devices out of the ep80579

  • @mnoxman
    @mnoxman Před 5 měsíci +1

    *BSD is well known for having a branch that will compile on any platform except a Analog systems. Linux is not quite the same. The split between Kernel 2 and 3 dropped a lot of legacy drivers (ESDI, Token ring, etc).

  • @HappyBeezerStudios
    @HappyBeezerStudios Před 5 měsíci +1

    A 1.2 GHz 90 nm single core Intel CPU from 2008 makes me think it's some kind of Pentium M offshoot. Good old 686 IA-32

  • @Hyperboid
    @Hyperboid Před 6 měsíci

    i didn't see what you wrote on the board until you addressed it. i've won, but at what cost?

  • @marcogenovesi8570
    @marcogenovesi8570 Před 6 měsíci +1

    28 US Marines, pulling up in Ford Raptor Trucks

  • @caparazo3488
    @caparazo3488 Před 6 měsíci +2

    It's not imaginary, it's real. Real shit.

  • @ayrendraganas8686
    @ayrendraganas8686 Před 6 měsíci

    the ram ranch written on the whiteboard caught me off guard x)

  • @LedoCool1
    @LedoCool1 Před 6 měsíci +2

    Dammit I miss it already.

  • @Blue-Maned_Hawk
    @Blue-Maned_Hawk Před 6 měsíci +1

    2:14 I used a machine that ran at 0.9GHz well into the midst of the pandemic. 1.20 GHz _should_ be enough for many people.

  • @justf0dd3r
    @justf0dd3r Před 6 měsíci

    I was watching the video and wanted to say that you missed it, but you sped right by the part that said that "Carillo Ranch" was a motherboard not a chip. So that is what got you confused about that chip number.

  • @ABaumstumpf
    @ABaumstumpf Před 5 měsíci

    There are so many obscure CPUs and platforms out there - many of which you will not find any public information on. We had tested some 10nm Intel CPUs in 2017 (when intel still said they would give us the products in Q4 that year), we have some Epyc CPUs with different memory support and some that you can only find some obscure references from IBM, Oracle and Amazon.
    0.9-1.2GHz singlecore low-power CPU in 2008? there might be many millions that were actually sold and are still running. For printers the kernel is likely no concern, but would not be surprising to see the code being revived in 1-2 years when a manufacturer notices he still needs those systems.
    People tend to forget that private Desktop-Systems mostly used for gaming are just a very small section of the CPU market. In early 2020 Intel already had about half their production-capacity in 10nm but only in late 2021 did they release desktop-CPUs on that node. Those facilities were up and running producing things like 20core CPUs for communication-infrastructure.

  • @qwertykeyboard5901
    @qwertykeyboard5901 Před 5 měsíci

    NSA backdoor?

  • @namvet_13e
    @namvet_13e Před 5 měsíci +1

    It is hard to prove a thing doesn't exist.

  • @Poldovico
    @Poldovico Před 6 měsíci +1

    Could it be that Carillo Ranch was deleted from the archives?

    • @BrodieRobertson
      @BrodieRobertson  Před 6 měsíci +3

      Possibly but surely there would be a forum post

    • @Poldovico
      @Poldovico Před 6 měsíci +3

      @@BrodieRobertson Perhaps the archives are incomplete, is what I meant to say :P

  • @jb2590
    @jb2590 Před 6 měsíci +4

    Bruh, reppin Ram Ranch 🤣

  • @atomicskull6405
    @atomicskull6405 Před 6 měsíci

    I wonder if it's some military contract thing that was never a commercial product?

  • @zzco
    @zzco Před 6 měsíci +8

    The datasheet is 100MHz off from a Back to the Future reference. Dammit!

    • @Roxor128
      @Roxor128 Před 6 měsíci

      10MHz, you mean. 1.21G-1.2G=10M

  • @TheObsesedAnimeFreaks
    @TheObsesedAnimeFreaks Před 5 měsíci

    it seems that the systems that would be using this driver are older systems that would not be running modern software to begin with, it also seems like if for whatever reason these systems would need to be updated it they will have a headache on their hand. from what some of the comments have said, it seems that it was used in a lot of critical operations equipment and other business applications. things that might not be updated or upgraded for a variety of reasons. someone also said that they have a high failure rate so it might also be a non issue over time because eventually all these chips will be gone. but it's not quite an "imaginary" chip, it's quite like some of those other extremely obscure electronics hardware that if you know what it is, you needed it. rather then, you could just happen across the chip or device randomly.

  • @Pentium100MHz
    @Pentium100MHz Před 6 měsíci +1

    "Nobody is going to run mainline Linux on a 32bit 1.2GHz CPU". Well, I do not have that specific CPU, but I like to use hardware that is not too much overkill for the task I want to use it for.
    For example, I use Debian 8 (later ones do not boot, it's either not enough RAM or because the CPU does not have some feature) on a 233Mz Cyrix MediaGX CPU with 128MB of RAM.
    I use one such PC to configure switches (it's small and has a serial port), run VPN (it manages a few mbps, but that is enough for me in that case) and use it as a router for testing/configuring some systems. It works great for all of that.
    I plan to use another one of these to get the data from various devices (power meter, solar inverter, generator) over modbus. I think 233MHz and 128MB would be enough for that too. I'll run Debian 8 on it, but I considered DOS and Windows NT - but I'll try Linux first because I can boot it over network. DOS would be good because I could use a small DiskOnChip2000 SSD, but I would need to do more stuff to program the interface compared to Linux and libmodbus.

  • @rfvtgbzhn
    @rfvtgbzhn Před 5 měsíci

    May favourite Intel CPU Generation is the original Pentium (P95). It was really ahead of it's time.

  • @tylerdean980
    @tylerdean980 Před 6 měsíci +5

    Still waiting on VAX support

  • @tech34756
    @tech34756 Před 6 měsíci +5

    If you want some fun, try playing the driver lottery with old but once fairly common Bay Trail hardware.
    So far I've got a Linx 1010b running Mint fine/good enough ootb (after getting grub 32bit efi on it) but my Archos wont boot Mint (black screen) and Debian 32bit and Fedora lack touch screen support among other things.

  • @ruediix
    @ruediix Před 6 měsíci

    I bet, if anything, said chipset never left the lab.
    There are always a good number of such chipsets, but typically the patches don't get merged to support them, and are only kept in house, or at most on the company public github.
    Also, if it did leave the lab and found it's way into embedded devices, most embedded devices ship custom kernels. So, any manufacturer still supporting this hardware can revert the patch on their kernel.

  • @robertheinrich2994
    @robertheinrich2994 Před 6 měsíci +3

    my guess: soon there will be an outcry from the NSA, because they want to keep their linux support for their hardware platform ;-)

  • @DarthWampa_
    @DarthWampa_ Před 6 měsíci

    "Linux is generally known to have an incredible range of hardware support" (queue laughtrack)

  • @ziemlichundead
    @ziemlichundead Před 5 měsíci

    Boy I hope my nvidia drivers would magically pop into existence

  • @JohnGotts
    @JohnGotts Před 5 měsíci

    Any code removed from the kernel can be maintained as a patch. I maintained two kernel patches for many years. No big deal. If it needs to go back in, it can be done.

  • @ferdgerbeler8494
    @ferdgerbeler8494 Před 6 měsíci +1

    Was hearing 'gorilla ranch' through most the video

  • @kylenorris9585
    @kylenorris9585 Před 6 měsíci +1

    But what about 400 years from now when the Enterprise stumbles across one and needs to pull data off it to save an ancient astronaut stuck in a pod and we removed the driver they need from the kernel in 2024 so someone ends up dead because of us. Assuming that the Enterprise runs on Linux cause of course it does.

    • @HappyBeezerStudios
      @HappyBeezerStudios Před 5 měsíci +1

      They could just pull a slightly older kernal from the archive

  • @katanasteel
    @katanasteel Před 6 měsíci +2

    Favorite Intel ISA CPU... hmm... I'd say 2nd gen Opteron for its amd64 extensions and amd-v tech... best dual core CPU I've had

  • @ironfist7789
    @ironfist7789 Před 6 měsíci +2

    Great, now my dream computer has stopped working...

  • @tactileslut
    @tactileslut Před 6 měsíci

    It's too bad the high dollar installed base you found carries the HP brand. Owners have already learned to shut off updates, regardless of the bugs and attack vectors they may fix, to remain opted out of the supplies source locks recently added.

  • @ArveEriksson
    @ArveEriksson Před 6 měsíci +1

    Oh hey! You could probably play Wing Commander: Prophecy on that thing.

  • @kienhwengtai8113
    @kienhwengtai8113 Před 3 dny

    I found that CPU on eBAY for $US 14.90 ... it does exist! It's a Pentium M. You have solder the thing to a board to use by the looks of it.

  • @crackedfrost
    @crackedfrost Před 6 měsíci +1

    Yoooo Ram Ranch really rocks.

  • @survivor303
    @survivor303 Před 6 měsíci

    perhaps it has something to do with space, or printers ;)

  • @wilfridtaylor
    @wilfridtaylor Před 6 měsíci +1

    Sounds like a dressing at subway lol

  • @marble_wraith
    @marble_wraith Před 6 měsíci

    Driver cleanup, i like it 👍

  • @DLexEdition
    @DLexEdition Před 6 měsíci

    The Intel EP80579 Integrated Processor and associated chipset was known as the ill-fated Carillo Ranch chipset. It was one of Intel's biggest flops since their foray into 32-bit a long time ago with the 80i432 CPU, the i432 is not compatible with x86_32 or x86_64 designs.

  • @rogercruz1547
    @rogercruz1547 Před 6 měsíci +1

    18 naked circuits in the showers...

  • @gmailmann
    @gmailmann Před 6 měsíci +4

    Most linux distributions already dropped x86 support (while windows 10 still gives support) so i wonder how that survived so long :D

    • @TurtleKwitty
      @TurtleKwitty Před 6 měsíci +9

      Personal computers have a much quicker replace/upgrade cycle than printer hardware wouldnt be surprised this cpu is still in use in seom office somewhere

    • @InfiniteDrakonian
      @InfiniteDrakonian Před 6 měsíci +13

      Debian will support x86 until 2038, while Windows 10 until 2025, Windows 11 does not support x86 (only x86_64 & Aarch64)

    • @Poldovico
      @Poldovico Před 6 měsíci +2

      Most linux distributions such as?

    • @jhgvvetyjj6589
      @jhgvvetyjj6589 Před 6 měsíci +2

      So most linux systems won't run on Intel/AMD processors anymore?

    • @marcogenovesi8570
      @marcogenovesi8570 Před 6 měsíci +4

      @@jhgvvetyjj6589 x86 is 32bit. x86_64 is 64bit Intel/AMD

  • @t01
    @t01 Před 6 měsíci

    skylake 14nm was such a chad soc it lasted 7 years +++

  • @immoloism
    @immoloism Před 6 měsíci +1

    You can't make videos like these as now I want one just to install Gentoo on.

  • @dokt9304
    @dokt9304 Před 6 měsíci

    and what if this was actually never released and this was an hidden backdoor driver?

  • @tuskiomisham
    @tuskiomisham Před 6 měsíci +1

    noooo my imaginary computer!

  • @reaperinsaltbrine5211
    @reaperinsaltbrine5211 Před 5 měsíci

    You had me LOL. I thought they dropped RiscV hehe

  • @foobar476
    @foobar476 Před 6 měsíci

    There was me hoping there would be a MIX implementation.

  • @cem_kaya
    @cem_kaya Před 6 měsíci +7

    what is the drawback of having that driver in the kernel ?

    • @legendboyAni
      @legendboyAni Před 6 měsíci +12

      Extra work for no reasion

    • @cem_kaya
      @cem_kaya Před 6 měsíci +3

      @@legendboyAni what work would it require tho ? isnt it already there.

    • @Raletia
      @Raletia Před 6 měsíci +15

      My guess is Maintenance and Bloat. If no one has access and understanding to test it, they can't fix any bugs or unexpected interactions. Also, every single driver would add extra size and complexity to the kernel, maybe small but it could add up.

    • @goaserer
      @goaserer Před 6 měsíci +7

      I think around the discussion of dropping the i386 and i486 support one of the main arguments was that if no one of the kernel devs still have the option to test the specific environment no one can tell for sure if a supported infrastructure actually still works. And there is always the possibility that there are flags or options specific to this driver that will simplify maintenance and docs when removed for good. In the end each line of existing code can cause additional work as other parts of the infrastructure are updated, like compiler versions. Therefore if functionality has no more value it is a good practice to remove it to avoid situations where it might make unnecessary work in the future. Especially true if you consider that while it is dropped now from latest releases, the code will still have to be maintained for the next 6 years in LTS versions

    • @jbird4478
      @jbird4478 Před 6 měsíci +2

      If it were up to me, I'd choose to drop support without removing it though. You never know. Someone might need it and it might just keep working for quite some time. You can always remove it later.

  • @Puzzlers100
    @Puzzlers100 Před 6 měsíci +1

    I thought this was going to be about itanium.

  • @BlackRedDead1943
    @BlackRedDead1943 Před 6 měsíci

    5:29 "If unsure, say Y." ehhhm..., N.

  • @blackdew2
    @blackdew2 Před 5 měsíci

    90nm wasn't that shabby in 2008. That's like Pentium 4 era node size, somewhat dated by then but plenty fine for embedded applications.

  • @obake6290
    @obake6290 Před 6 měsíci +1

    Favorite Intel generation? Well, the only Intel CPU I ever owned was a Skylake, so I guess that wins by default.