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man that was a amazing repair, never thought I would ever seen anyone using lead on a cast iron drain these days, it truly is a lost art, you are the man, steve
I have not seen to many people who know how to lead pipe, if I remember correctly you said it was a lost art in one of your videos. Thank you for sharing.
Whyd he do that though
nelson sanabria ask flint Michigan
@@nelsonsanabria4950 the house is older and has cast iron pipes. He had to install a new toilet flange to the old cast iron pipe, and pouring a lead caulk joint is the correct method
@PeteGaughenbaugh1 not the only method for cast iron though, steve is just old-school.
Thats why i love cast iron flanges with rubber compression ring.
Tighten all bolts in order and done.
No lead. No oakum. Same finished result. Permanent leak proof repair.
Part is very expensive but worth it.
What do you do if the lead bend pipe is all bent up and out of round?
Another fine repair! Been watching your videos for about 8 months now. Old repair techniques forgotten about by most plumbers today.! Great repair 👍
This was a nice video Steve. My brother , and BIL are both pipped fitters. Have heard them talk about leading pipe, but never seen it done. You answered a lot if questions. I can see why people change out the cast, for plastic now.
Also loved the little extra you did in cleaning up (wiping the wax up).
As you showed not every contractor us as thoughtful. (The way they left the basement. )
Even if the customer says leave it. It so nice when you come in to a clean space.
Thanks for a good video.
I've been watching you for years do your professional plumbing work. My worker and I cut out a cast iron lateral and replaced it with plastic. The lateral was about 6 ft long. He passed it out to me from under the building and I drug it out to the back when he said I guess I should get the grinder so we can cut it and I said no, just bring me the hammer. I gave it a quick shot and the thing just broke in half and then we broke it into several other pieces to put it in the trash can. That old cast iron pipe is really brittle and I guess you knew the pipe going up to the flange was solid because I would never bang on it that way just out of fear I might break it. You have my respect for doing this job which very few people can do now so it's on CZcams where somebody who wants to know how it's done, they see it how it's done by a professional because you could have purchased a plastic unit pressed it into the pipe and screwed it down which you've done in other videos. So, thanks for putting up the history lesson for the newcomers.
LOL! Wife just said, You watching that value tester guy again? Thanks Steven for video!
Why did some people give a thumbs down, that plumber in this video, is the hardest, knowledgeable worker I've seen!
@Jackie Starr: probably because of his foul language and unnecessary destruction. Did he clean up the mess he caused downstairs by hammering unnecessary holes in the floor?
THE LOST ART OF LEADING
Flint thanks you for your service
I'm sure She knew the floor was soft, why did you have to embarrass Her by saying so many times " see this went right through! It's rotted, see this, - over and over again, " even Pissed me off!!!, Miss Molley would have been embarrassed too. I'm sure you've seen it all by now. Give the Lady a break Steve !. Have a 💗 Heart !!.
I thought this one was very interesting. I liked seeing how cast iron and lead worked. I never understand why people give a thumbs down.
Haters gonna hate
I used to be an office manager for a plumbing company, we had a couple of men who could still make a lead bend from sheet lead. We didn't use wax seals instead we used the black foam ones and coated them with roofing cement, the seal would not break if the toilet moved.
Surprised the toilet didn’t go though the floor
The pipe was the only thing holding it up
flooah
Brian Djordjevic didn’t even notice no punches there to roll with
Dang Mama! Down south, we would have shoved a PVC twist and seal down that CI pipe, screwed it to the floor and been done. I love the videos man. My foreman in the 1980s taught me how to lead pipes, but haven’t done it since. You should do a video on how you learned the trade. Why do you wear gloves, haha.
Yeah, what's with the gloves?
In case he gets melted led on his hand....safety first. 😂😂😂😂
finally, some lovely crusty cast iron work! thx a lot Steve
Why wouldn't you just use one of the Oatey PVC replacement flanges that just go inside cast iron pipe? Whats the upside of leading in a new cast iron flange nowadays?
Seems a funny way of connecting the ol’ throne! Not wrong, just different to what we do in the UK. Love your work Steve!
its just old school way of doing things now it be just a pvc pipe to the flange screwed to the floor and caller a day
@Wolfhound the wax ring you guys use is just weird. We have a rubber collar that the outlet of the toilet pushes into. No problem with the wax seal breaking down. The pan is cemented down, or screwed into the floor and always sealed up with silicone if not cemented
BrickTop900 was ring isn’t gonna leak if the toilet is secured down. If it’s moving, that’s when wax leaks.
Great Video, thanks for sharing, lucky homeowner to have your service, solid workmanship ! cheers !
I don't keep reminding customers how bad their situation is. Explaining it thoroughly once is usually enough.
Whew I need to replace mine when my spanner fix rots out. This looks more involved than I thought it would be. I love watching master tradesmen work.
Somehow don’t think it was really “the next day”. Next week/month maybe to redo that subfloor and floor
Great job
I'm not saying that one of those flooring layers is asbestos, but I am very glad I'm not the one doing the floor replacement.
I was just waiting for the "You gotta smoke alahm in the house" lol
"I thought it didn't work."
Surprised Steve didn't fall thru the floor on this job. Wowza!
Great content Steve. Always varied and interesting. Thanks for posting.
Arent you allowed to use a PVC flange replacement in your state . Cool to watch you do this though. Thank you
Very messy job. That is how they did it 100 years ago. Today, you buy Cast Iron replacement closet ring (aka Quick Set Flange) that fits right over the pipe and tighten with 3 stainless steel screws. Installed in 10 minutes. All approved by the Code. All other stuff you are doing is time consuming, messy and completely unnecessary. I am sure you impressed the old lady and she ended up paying tons of money for your repair work. Thank you
Why don’t you use the wax ring with horn? Isn’t the horn better to divert water down pipe?
In all honesty, this flange replacement if a work of art... However, about thirty seconds into Steve's "leading" the flange in, it sounded like he was playing Petticoat Junction with the chisel...
AMStationEngineer I didn’t see uncle joe lol
Steve, I have cast iron drain pipe in my house and allways wondered how the lead joints were done! Especially on the horizontal joints.
1968madmike , Horizontal ones are done right in the position there in .
Running rope for horizontal joints, old fashion ones are made of asbestos. Here in Chicago we still do lead and oakum joints.
@@DonJosesito I was looking closer at my horizontal pipe joints and I could see rope cast in the lead!! Crazy!!
Why didn’t you use silicone on top of the lead and around the flange to stop anything from getting stuck in there
Why do you not use the wax ring that has the self-centering plastic rings? I've been using those for a long time in my own house and had great luck with them. You can even use sealant on the bottom of them if you're unsure.
Why do you fasten the flange to the floor after you pour the lead and not before ? just curious 🤔
I didn't see the Prop 65 warning sticker on that lead! The people in California are having a cow right about now! LOL
The lead and oakum is the canvas. And Steve is Picasso!
how many days later did you come back after the new floor went in? Did she have to get a new sub floor? Watching you put in a cast iron flange is amazing. The best way for sure.
Very nice job on that flange. They need to call Hazel to clean up the basement.
Hazel? You're showing your age my friend.
Wait !! There's a basement ???
So cutting out a foot of iron pipe, boot it and transition to pvc, 10 minutes it's done
2020, have many options to fix this issue, none of which require melting lead and inhaling fumes... yet here we are lol
You dont only get fumes if you really overheat
Does anyone of your customers clean their bathrooms?
Big John that’s a squirter mama
People ask why I wear gloves...
Lol I remember watching the video when you marked the date on that pvc pipe.
Im curious why not use the cast iron flange that sits on the inside and has adjustable gasket seams like it would be alot easier? Nice video I never seen anyone go back with lead
Because he's an old school plumber that is stuck in his 19th century ways!! If a plumber came to my house with oakum and molten lead I'd kindly show him the exit! This is absurd!!
Steve I was laughing out loud when you were stabbing her floor with your screwdriver telling her how bad her floor was. That was so hilarious whether or not you meant it to be 😂
can you just use the PVC to cast iron flange ?
Why not change out all the plumbing underneath to abs or pvc? Customer didn't want to pay?
NICE JOB Sir Steve!
Why would you use the outside iron for the inside? It is tapered so that it mushes the lead in the right direction. That's why you have an inside and outside iron... other than that great job
That lead thing is eye-opening for me. Never thought that is a practice.
Always enjoy watching Steve-thanks
You have the perfect smoke detector protector...your blue latex gloves.
Watching the video you contributed much to the mess on the basement floor. Granted they should have cleaned it up.
Steve you should have been wearing your demolition gloves. Steve when you retire I want to buy your lead and oakum tools. I will take care of them and I will make you proud. Great video. Peace brother and Molly
Nothing but quality here
Cool, how to see it done the old fashioned way, another great video. keep them going.
Steve Why do you prefer using a wax ring WITHOUT a funnel versus a wax ring WITH one? What’s the difference ?
They didn't clean up downstairs to take advantage of old people. Pretty sad.
Love the old-school lead work. Oakum and smoke 'em!
Why is everyone so enamored with his gloves? The guy likes clean hands! Who cares!
No glove no love
That job came out excellent - floor and all - heavy duty flange - leaded in.
Fascinating. Never knew about using lead.
An awful lot of metal and stuff went down that drain. I can't believe he didn't put a rag in it. Maybe I missed it?
I enjoyed the video. Ii would have cut the cast iron in the basement and cut the cast iron. I would have ran PVC connected with a rubber boot. I have not seen cast iron repair like this in years. Great job Steve. Watch those red lights.
It takes some talent to fix that !
Very profesional Super maestro
“He’s gonna have his hands cut out for him? “ Is this a combination of he’ll have his hands full and he’ll have his work cut out for him? Or is there another phrase I don’t know about? Not making fun, just wondered.
I wish I could ever get an old cast iron flange off that easy
21:55 That's how it's done, beautiful.
Redressing of mushroomed chisel heads prevents pieces from breaking off and putting your eye out.
Suprized no one fell through while dropping a fritz mama !
😄
Curious why you didn't replace the cast iron flange with PVC with an expanding rubber seal? Way easier.
In my house I tried a twist and set flange but I couldn’t get it to fit inside either because of the corrosion or I have an extra heavy pipe. The inside of my pipe isn’t smooth, so I wouldn’t trust it even if it did fit. I went with an outside C.I. compression fit flange.
@@michaelkoenig8564 Thanks for the reply. What is "C.I" compression fit flange? I want to put a toilet on a basement floor drain pipe and: 1) i'm not sure you are supposed to do that; and 2) there is corrosion like yours on the inside of the pipe.
That flange will last along time longer than plastic nice job!
Fascinating process!
A lot of plumbers today would run from that job!
What a shit show! Nice job Steve!
Robert Richard , They would run from that job because they've probably never had formal plumbing schooling.
Did you sell a re pipe while you were there Steve ?
Hi Steve, so I’m watching this video thinking to myself there is most likely only a handful of people that still know how to do this type of flange. Everyone is all about PVC and some glue.
I’ve found myself saying to my son, who is my apprentice, “Give it the ole Gundy, mama!” And I don’t even know why that means.
ive been saying "what a shit show!"
"Ain't no Taj Mahal"
@@djfremen he needs tshirts with this stuff on!!
Glad to know i am not the only one
Debo 22 put it on the fritz
100% Better in every way than the "This Old Mansion" video.
Would it work if you pour silicone instead of lead ?
Glad to see you did cast to cast and not a PVC flange maybe different screws thou
Man that sure ain't no Taj Mahal. That's good enough for that neighborhood.
Wow that was a work of art I doubt at first
I remember my dad having a big sheet of lead in the back of the van .
Drywall screws???
WHAT!!! No wet rags in the sewer pipe. How can you deal with the SMELL!!!
I know mine is not that bad I need a new floor and that flange replaced too.
My cast iron system has a whole house trap. No smell when working on a drain, which is nice (as far as working on drains go).
I'm old school use to have to cut cast iron with hammer and chisel pour joints with lead I've used deep brass heavy grade flanges on cast iron pipe poured lead around them you can solder the closest bolts to brass flange to hold them in place 😉
Watched my father do it once long time ago in my first home had to move a pipe cut “snapped it” the cast iron Then placed it back together with a fitting and using this same method now I know what that metal tool he was using is for my father had two of them. I use them for every thing else then what they were made for funny.
Good install but wouldn’t put lead inside of a pedestal sink
Great to see it done right.
When plumbing was an art 🎨
20:44 - When the flange goes around the outside of the drain pipe, there is a small ledge that is created in the space between the inside of the flange and the outside of the drain pipe. I believe that this ledge will be UNDER the wax seal--that is the wax will not fill this area (as can be seen at 23:32, where the wax just sits on top of this area). Doesn't that create a permanent trap for waste material that will never be drained? Surprised that no one ever mentions this or that this is never mentioned as an issue. Or does the wax get squished into this space?
Wax does get pushed into it creating waterproof seal.
Plus flush a couple times every now and again with nothing in the bowl(only water) to try and move things along. I do the same with my food decomposer in my kitchen sink. I let the water run for several minutes a few times per month to push any debris down the line. Also back to the toilet, I always flush twice. Once for the main and a second flush for paper, etc... I never flush them together just in case. Plus I never use a wax ring with a freaking plastic horn! It takes away roughly 2"to 3" of "hole" in my down pipe and creates a lip for things to clog on and start leaks
Hey Steve, about how far away from the top of the pipe does the oakum have to be before you start pouring lead?
1 inch of lead is required for a caulked joint
what do you think about those wax free rings that don't get sticky?
wow, that entire floor was rotted out to nothing! Did a possible leak from the toilet leaking in the floor cause that, or could that have been termite damage too?
what did you charge for this project...pull the toilet, fix the flange, re-install
all the technology we have now and you decide to fix like they do in 1919 haha
I just watched another video where they were replacing a toilet like that that lasted 75 years! Do those plastic replacements last 75years?! I'm just asking. .
@@norrisonianhey my house is from 1932 still got the original lead and oakum toilet flange that's almost 90 years . I'm a younger plumber iv never seen it that's why it ought my attention we just cut and clamp.. but hey that ask about it on the contractors state test so there's definitely a time and place right haha.
His tools looks as older than the house...🤦🏼♂️
It's not a lost art as much as it's obsolete
Hitting the lead down does what? When liquid it should of sealed right?
When lead cools, it shrinks a bit. Being soft, it can be beaten into the full channel and physically seal the joint.
Pretty cool to see how you guys use to do this
I remember you saying that you started out in the trade doing lead and oakum Steve. I wonder how long much longer those irons were when they were new? Haha!
I love seeing this stuff. Real plumbing!
bought some them bolts for myself,nice...i always buy calking irons at tag sales,they are easy to resell...never done lead but maybe someday,never???,,,,would be temped to screw it down first
If that floor was done in a day, it can't be all that good?
steve said :good enough for this neba-hood