Doing Something Unethical
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- The plaintiff went to the defendant’s salon to get her hair straightened. She says the defendant used a chemical in her hair, and now her hair is ruined. She’s suing for three years’ worth of salon services. The defendant argues the plaintiff refuses to cut off her damaged hair, which is why it looks bad. He’s countersuing for business interference
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As a hairdresser, chemical straighteners can not be disguised. They smell like Chemicals.
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Yup..it's a very distinct smell
And wouldn’t she feel it? Perms burn!
And you know what a perm is put on your hair the scalp will react to the chemical even if it’s just a tingle may not burn it made this do just the itching, but you know that there’s a chemical not only smell
Dominicans put relax in their shampoo, per a former stylist working in sa Dominican salon who kept "special" shampoo for THOSR PEOPLE 😂
That's heat damage, sis. That came from the flat iron, not a chemical. That's the risk you take when you straighten curly hair with heat 🤷♀
Exactly.
Exactly
The comment I was looking for. It was heat damage. SMH
Exactly what I was about to write. You can get heat damage after just one silk press.
Thank you 🙌🏽. I was literally screaming this at my phone. I'm just trying to understand why he missed the opportunity to explain this. I was waiting until the end just because I thought that he would interject it as a defense.
When I got a silk press, I lost my curl pattern as well. But after 2 months of washing and deep conditioning, my curl pattern came back. Heat damage can look as bad as chemical processing. But if she treats it, her curls will come back
Yea I don't think she understands that. It happens all the time
Exactly
I also thought it might be heat damage.
Silk press doesn't ruin your curl pattern unless you really do not have curly hair. I use to get silk press and as soon as I would wet my hair it would curl back up. This is someone who is Latina and has had curly fine hair her whole entire life.
@@XFiorentti silk presses can definitely ruin curl patterns. But it is possible to get your curl pattern back with proper treatments. For me it takes more than 1 wash. I’ve had curly hair my entire life as well
I knew that Chris Rock documentary would come up eventually 😂
LoL I'm a white dude but was waiting for her to use that line 😅
And it's such a terrible reference. Ill never forgive Chris for that.
At least she tries
And the fact that she seems to think that watching the doc is the only work that needs to be done on her part. That it's the only resource available to help her increase her understanding and be a better judge.
Girl EVERY TIME! 🙄😂
She just has heat damage. That is a risk you take when you get silk presses. It happens all the time. She just needs to start over
She came to the wrong judge for this case Chile. 😂😂
I think it’s silly, all hair is made of the same, I don’t have to have long straight hair to understand something…people just choose to act stupid.
Yes I said the same thing! Go to Judge Mathis.
@@themadmillionaire other races dont don’t do certain things to their hair . I took a whole case for her to understand loc extensions stfu
My thoughts exactly! 🤣👏🏾
Exactly
My lord, if I went in for a wash and the stylist snuck a chemical straighter in, I would be beside myself. 😢
But that didn't happen.
@@aliciagreen7512 what didn't happen? I'm simply saying I'd be pissed if someone snuck a straightener into my hair.
Same! I’m natural, and I’d be ready to box
The Dominicans are real good for that. They did it to me.
Yeah I would be PISSED. I've been natural for about ten years and if he messed that up! Umph.
Sooooo she doesn’t know what chemicals smell like. Or what lye smells like
U can’t always smell it- it depends how much, it could be ammonia free, or keratin treatment - he shouldn’t of put any chemical in her hair … he snuck it in period
Good joke 😂😂
@@vw7667except he didn't, which is why she lost.
It was Keratin and not lye. They also call the keratin treatments amino acid treatments Keratin does do this to your curly hair when they apply heat and it bonds to the hair. Happened to my 4a curly hair same outcome and it makes the hair weak and limp. My hair was natural and thick and below my bra at the back.. When I wet it my hair for a long time afterward it went straight instead of curly -- I wear natural hair and it took like 3 yrs to grow all that straight hair limp treated hair out. The new growth was normal and the ends were basically terrible fro that keratin treatment.
Oh NO MA’AM!
This is not the court for this kind of case. Those in the natural hair community know that what the plaintiff is claiming is ABSOLUTELY happening.
But how does she prove it was him? For all the judge or any judge knows, she messed up her own hair
I want to know how long she'd been doing crochet braids because you braid your hair and then you crochet fake hair on to it like she showed in the one picture where she said that was fake hair. How long was she doing that cause if she's been doing it for years and years then I can see a difference but if she started doing that more recently that's absolutely what her hair would look like....
Yes.... Keratin treatment is what he did--They also call it amino acid treatment.
You were there?
Yep, it’s crazy how crazy and sneaky these stylists can be. If you , you know !!
Here’s my thing, I’ve been natural my entire life but I’ve smelled relaxers and from what I understand is that the feel of a relaxer on the scalp is not conditioning in the slightest. I believe she’d know if there was a relaxer or some type of lye chemical in her hair. Now, I do believe he heat damaged her hair though. I also believe that the stylist should have declined the client if her hair was not healthy enough for a silk press.
She should have sued for heat damage, I think she had a better chance with that.
This looks like heat damage from the silk press
That's what I was going to say as well. Also it takes a couple of washes for all my curls to pop back after it's been flat ironed.
Agreed
It’s giving heat damage. Once I saw the pictures I was like heat damage. I’m an African American female as well and we all know that heat can really damage our hair.
I would NEVER be a hair stylist...she asked for her hair to be straightened...he straightened it...the heat ruined her curl pattern... case closed.
But there is a safe way to straighten natural hair and it reverts just fine when wet…I’ve seen it so many times. My aunt is a cosmetologist..one of the best I’ve experienced in my life and my hair ALWAYS reverts back to its natural state after being just flat ironed.
If he didn’t put a chemical in her hair, he most certainly put too much heat on her hair, and without the proper preparations before straightening. That’s the only way her hair would go from curling the way it did, to being bone straight only after he styled her hair.
Heat only removes the curl pattern temporarily. Once it is was your normal curl pattern is back every time.
You can straighten your hair and it will go back to your natural curl pattern once you wet it. As long as you take care of your hair and keep it healthy it’ll always go back to its natural state once you wash it.
Her mistake was, not having a pic showing her natural curly hair at least one month before the first visit even. That would help prove her hair texture change/damage since he got a hold of her. A pic a whole year before does nada. The verdict made sense
This was a case for judge Mathis 🤣
He would have called in one of his staff for their expert opinion 😂
@@CocoaCookies_ he has called in experts from reality shows also? I remember one from L.A. Hair and on from another show
@@CocoaCookies_then he would have called the litigants crackheads 😂😂
@@michelleharper2940Lol $5400 dollars, you must be smoking crack
Idk why she keeps reading her well rehearsed testimony 🙄
Just bring proof! Bring an expert witness. That would’ve won her the case.
So that she stays on track, doesn’t leave out the details and explains her claims so that everyone understands.
@@themadmillionaireas a great judge would say, if you tell the truth you don’t have to have a good memory.
This girl already put a picture up of herself with fake hair crocheted onto cornrow braids, that's crochet braides. Unless you are getting this professionally done what she already said she was doing it herself even professionally it can be very damaging but doing it herself oh no... You can't do your own crochet braids very long unless you are very very good at it without doing this exact thing to your hair she did this to her own hair that's my opinion
Right. I hate when they don’t have this.
in one of the cases, a girl brought a hairdresser and the judge basically said that they are different people so how can we go off his word
She didn't do her homework before getting her hair done and now she regrets it.
Girlll that’s heat damage… get the hair cut and a quality leave in conditioner.. your curls will come back
I have had my hair pressed for years. After you was your hair damaged or not it reverts back to its original state split ends and all. I have also had beautician put a chemical in thinking it would help my hair when I was a girl.
This case should be before Judge Faith.
Sound like she got heat damage. Very common with silk presses.
Yup that’s all it is. Happened to me as well, but my curl pattern came back after a couple months of deep conditioning.
Right
Right. That’s what I was thinking. Heat damage
Agree!
Dominican salons were notorious for this.
They still are
SMH 🤦♀️
they use Keratin and it's terrible on my curls...
He gave her a keratin treatment
I heard about that.
That’s 100% a perm. LOL but she in the wrong place to prove that
Exactly 💯 She should have found a black judge
I can tell just by the look on the judges face from.the beginning that the plaintiff isn't going to win..I'm only 4 mins in
Looks like bad heat damage!!! He didnt use heat protection. He is a bad stylist.
I'm a victim of people sneaking chemicals in my hair to make it looser, and know they will always deny they did anything different and your hair was damaged😅
Yea this happened to one of my friends in college and I heard people say that Dominican salons do this
Thats crazy! Its so unethical
So y’all nose broke 😅
She’s a greedy clown. Heat damage from the press. Thats it.
Even if he did trash her hair (and I do not believe he did) what she is asking for in compensation is ridiculous.
The double wash should have given her a clue.
this!
She never mentioned the smell
Old white lady here that has had her hair permed in the past...when that was done to me, I could smell the process being done. Would the chemicals she's talking about smell like chemical processing? It sure wasn't Herbal Essence being dumped on my head!
This is the classic example of why the plaintiff needed expert testimony! All of us in the natural community know that you can get heat damage from a flat hair that will "straighten" your hair without a chemical process.
It pains me that this hairstylist was not held responsible for damaging her hair with heat. If her hair was too damaged for a silk press, then he, as the professional, should not have performed the service.
If her hair got wet and didn't go back to its natural state then he put a perm in her hair.
Every black woman knows once you straighten your natural hair rather it be with a perm or silk press or blow dry straighten your curl pattern will not be the same after that. It will take a while for it to come back.
Mine comes back faster than I'd like 😊
Exactly.
All those pics tell me is that she doesnt know how to take care of her own natural hair, which is sad cause shes a grown adult.
Girl stop. Please don’t comment on something you don’t know about.
The Plantiff just needed an hair specialist to tell her that the flat irons used in the silk press are powerful enough to straighten out her natural curls. This happen to me when I was going through my 'natural hair' journey.
People waste so much money on expensive hair treatments.
She went to the wrong judge for this case 😭
I loathe when i ask someone a simple question and they give me a round about answer.
She didn't ask her for her life story just "What did you get done?"
Girl, you would’ve smelled the perm. Don’t get a silk press if ur on ur natural journey. Heat damage on ur dry, brittle hair
Heat damage is a thing, it looks like heat damage tbh
This case presents an intriguing situation. If the defendant did indeed cause damage to her hair as she alleges, there are several steps she could have taken to substantiate her claim. While I can't personally relate to her hair type, it seems essential for the plaintiff to provide evidence to support her case. For instance, documenting the defendant's countertop with his hair care products could have been beneficial. Although hair care isn't my main focus, the defendant's information did come across as quite convincing. So, again, it's up to the plaintiff to prove her suspicion. Judge Milian's observation about the lack of evidence is noteworthy - photographic evidence or a professional assessment from another establishment could have bolstered her case. I empathize with her frustration, particularly in attempting to articulate her suspicion about the use of a chemical. However, in the legal realm, repetition alone doesn't suffice as proof.
If he told her her hair was damaged, as he said he did, he should have refused her service if she did not want to do what he suggested. All money ain't good money.
I have the most curly, thick coil hair in the world and "black" hair does not go straight unless you have some fine-ness to it, it DOES coil back up. The Plaintiff is correct. I have several children with EVERY TEXTURE of hair from VERY FINE to my baby being the THICKEST, MOST COILED EVER and all in between. ONLY A PERM CAN KEEP THE STRAIGHTENING OF THE HAIR WET.
Or a keratin treatment…. the process the plaintiff detailed in her testimony of the first service she received , sounds like a keratin treatment.
@@TRene-up9zq Doesn't work on my hair...lol
Not fine-ness, when a fool puts in chemicals. Never use chemicals, for it strips the hair of natural oils and texture.
If I was a beautician she could not enter my salon. Suing on assumptions will not get it.
Plus you would definitely smell the chemical straightener
Right
And the burn, that stuff hurts if applied as a conditioner would be.
Not if it's keratin amino treatment which many salons will use and combined with heat it bonds to the hair shaft. that's why your hair look and feels smooth, straight and silky but it can make your hair damn near impossible to curl up when you wet it and the only thing you can do is grow it out to regain your natural texture in some instances. I only straightened my hair once at a salon and keratin treatment was used for real the press and the same thing happened.
@@N11-xr9pi1 Thank you for the heads-up, something else that I will never let near my head. I'd hate to lose my curls.
If he used a chemical straightener, she would have SMELLED IT!!!
Not if it's keratin .. he did use the amino treatment which is keratin... Keratin wrecked my 4a curls took so long and I had to grow it out. I never used a relaxer or had one applied but the keratin treatment coupled with the press is basically bonding the keratin to your hair and that makes it bone straight and sometimes weak. The curl pattern I think is damaged and not just disrupted for a while. This was my experience.
It drives me nuts when a litigant just wants to go into their story and not answer the question. Judge: what did you have done at his salon? Plaintiff: well, I'm a military wife and we move around alot blah...blah...blah. Judge Judy would have shut that down quick!! 😆
Worse than when you just want a recipe but have read about how their ancestors created 500 years ago.
I have coily hair and when I get a silk press it does not coil back FULLY for at least a month. So she must have never gotten a silk press.
Once you was your hair it doesn’t coil back up?
Mine is the same. It takes a few wash and deep conditioning for all the curls to come back.
THE SAME THING HAPPENED TO ME, it’s really upsetting!
She doesn’t understand that when you don’t straighten your hair often and you get it straighten your curl texture will change and that is just because of that heat baby
Exactly! It's heat damage.
Plaintiff is lying! She got a silk press and the heat removed her curl pattern. Her pattern will be back in 2-3 months. Also people kill me holding on to damaged hair because it make them think it's longer...lol
That’s what I was thinking! Heat damage! I used to put my hair in a bun and straighten the bangs. Didn’t pay too much attention to protection spray etc, because it was just my bangs and would always wear them straight. when I washed my hair, everything was curly but the bangs. grew them out and cut that damaged hair off…
I had the exact thing happen to me. I went to a Dominican Hair Salon, for a wash/condition and roller wrap. They snuck a chemical conditioner in my hair, and my hair started falling out. It has taken 2 years to grow back.
Yeah they use keratin treatment when you get a press or they use that flat iron. I went to a Dominican salon and my hair was pressed bone straight but I have naturally cutlry 4a hair and it's thick and I don't use chemicals in my hair... heat does not take my curls away to the point where my hair is still straight when I wet it... Keratin bonding when heat is applied does cause the hair to become straight like this. Years later I have a new Dominican salon and I told them I don't want Keratin -- they said we don't add treatments like that for a press unless you ask for it. Very big difference in the outcome... I wet my hair and of course the curl pattern was relaxed but at least it bounced back after a couple washes. with the keratin treatment my hair was simply limp and weak and not curling. I think for each person outcomes are going to differ with keratin but I think its beneficial to ppl that want to keep their hair straight. I think he should have never used the aminos traetment which is what they call keratin...
Why she explaining hair getting wet and curling back up to the judge like its some foreign concept LOL
The judge doesn’t understand her hair or texture. Based on her saying what is the evidence
She's a really beautiful young woman no matter what her hair is doing. She has a beautiful smile.
This sounds more like her hair was possibly heat damaged by the defendant rather than it being done by a chemical treatment.
OMG, she was beautiful in that July 4th photo. Her natural hair was awesome and suited her. No idea why women keep doing crap like this to themselves.
Judge: what did you get done?
P: I’m a military wife…🙄
The spouses love dropping that little nugget of information
That was mad annoying ! 😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣 I literally yelled 🗣️Just answer the question!
It seems she told the stylist the same thing because he repeated that. What does getting crochet braids have to do with being a military wife?
@@irenewhite6208 so annoying!
@@phoebe_ouma you know she did 🤣
She didn't prove her case. It's just damaged. Honestly it looked damaged before she had it straightened. Especially if the previous person didn't know how to care for natural hair. Maybe that person messed it up
He definitely ruined her hair. Period
Seems to be greedy, askIng for all that money.
She has heat damaged. The ends of her hair were fried. Silk press when not done right damages naturally curly and coily hair.
LMAO the remote ones are the funniest.
He absolutely put a a perm in her hair. Shame on him.
He must be Dominican. 😒 This is why I refuse to go to salons anymore.
Seriously? Victimized? She should be ashamed of herself.
Thats a CRAZY amount of heat damage tbh as a professional he should have told her the amount of damage she would have.
He used keratin... Keratin will straighten and damage our hair I have 4A curly hair and keratin wrecked it. I only wear it natural. keratin made it straight, weak ,limp and my har literally never got curly the way it should have the it looked terrible. the amino acid treatment is basically keratin it has horrible results over the long run. Over time my hair thinned and got weak. My hair was thick and strong. My hair was waist length at the time and I had to grow my hair out for the natural curly bounce should to come through. My hair was nothing but healthy before the keratin treatment and by the way they don't tell you in some salons that they are doing it when they press your hair...
Looking at him..I wouldn't have gone to him to do my hair
Why? What does judging someone by their looks have to do with anything?
I’m also curious as to why
Im glad u called out this ignorant comment @@perfectlyimperfect9129
@@P3rmissionD3ni3d I bet she would hate being judged off looks... so gross
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I believe him for the simple fact she said the first stylist she went to wasn’t familiar with her texture… that tells me she went to just anybody at first. Chemicals are noticeable, very!
The defendant blinked exactly 7 times during this whole case. 😮
Crochet is probably the least damaging method.
Even if he did that, $5000?! Crazy
She threw in that whole spill about the military to manipulate the situation when asked what did she go to him for.
Military wives make their wholeeeeeeeeeeeeeee entire personality about being a military wife. Ugh!
It's clear SOMETHING happened, but she didn't have any proof HE did it. She would've ate down if she had a picture from May or right before he touched her hair.
No, she lost the case because y’all don’t have a good enough understanding of black hair. The evidence that something was done wrong to her. Her hair is her hair literally 😅😅😅😅
im pretty sure she lost because she couldnt prove her case. in court when youre sueing somebody for 5grand, evidence is king and u better be able to prove it, and not with words or "understanding" of hair. theres no question that something happened to that lady's hair....but thats not the issue at hand. the issue is, WHO is responsible for it? she says the dude ruined her hair with chemicals, the dude says he didnt put any chemicals and that she ruined her own hair by wearing those military style braids. when he pointed out that the braids hairstyle she does causes her hair to be dry brittle and weak, she couldnt even argue against that. she didnt even try. not even the minimal "thats not true". she just kept repeating that he put chemicals and pointing to how her hair was an entire year ago. yet she has 0 pictures of her hair from beginning of 2021 to the june appointment....its because her hair was already messed up like the stylist said. she sued him. she has to prove what shes saying.
It's not though. Her hair looks heat damaged. That is not proof that he put a chemical straightener in her hair. It's just proof that the heat process damaged her hair.
This is heat damage. This happened to my leave out when i got my hair done for my wedding. My hair stylist said she put heat protectant on it. I was so angry when I washed my hair and the leave out was straight😠 Never went back. Had to eventually cut my hair.
I think some sort of chemical was added to her hair for it to look like that....
Oh I 100% believe he did this. It's a known thing that a lot of places put relaxer in the conditioner because they don't know how to deal with black natural hair.
I believe her when she says it wasn't damaged when she went to him. He either gave her a keratin treatment or gave her extreme heat damage. If it's keratin, it will eventually wash out.
Update: He said he did an "amino acid treatment". I just read up on it a smoothing treatment to help straighten hair and make silk presses last longer. He should have gotten her permission to do that.
I hope she doesn't get not even a penny!!!!
He absolutely damaged her hair!!!! Go to Judge Mabeline!!!!
Plaintiff paid to have her hair altered, literally "fried," with heat and steam to straighten her naturally curly hair! If you're embracing natural be naturally curly! Self-love and personal accountability is liberation! Do better! Good verdict!
…. It’s definitely just heat damage… same thing happened to me. It sucks but they didn’t do anything malicious 🤦🏽♀️
“Silk presses” change your hair sometimes. Especially if you do that often.
Back in 1983 I was in cosmetology school, and a lot of clients were getting their hair pressed. It smelled so bad like burning hair.
She should’ve claimed he “heat damaged” her hair not chemicals
Keratin is a conditioning treatment that is used for, and, does have straightening .properties. He needed to name the special conditioner as he stated.
Relaxers are not the only chemical straightened treatment’s .Keratin treatment will also straighten the hair and the first process she said he did to her hair actually sounds like a keratin treatment. However, looking at the pics her hair to seemed to be severely damaged and will required several treatment to restore or she can do a big chio and start over. You can have natural hair and get a keratin treatment will take approximately 4-6 months for treatment to fully grow out the hair depending on length but one hair can still remain in a seemingly healthy state if taken care of properly. Her hair just seems to be damaged, probably from the beginning like the stylist said. Or he could’ve also severely heat damaged her hair. So there’s a few factors in play here.
This and many Domincan salons use it. I had the same thing happen and my hair is naturally curly 4a and looks like yours kinda in your thumbnail... I got that keratin treatment with a press and my hair was almost unrecognizable for over a year when I wet it and I had to grow all of it out to restore it so my natural hair could look,, feel and be the same.
IN THESE CASES IT'S VERY SIMPLE SHE TAKES PHOTOS WHY A YR APART. SHE COULD'VE TO ANOTHER NATURAL STYLIST & HAD THEM TESTIFY TO WHAT'LL CAUSE HER HAIR TO DO THAT. AGAIN UNPREPARED HE ONLY COUNTER SUED HER BECAUSE SHE SUED HIM CASE CLOSED & NO MORE REPEATING YOURSELF GIRL
It could be heat damage too, doesn't always have to be chemicals. I got heat damage from press on my natural hair and I was livid -- had to cut my hair.
Ive also been through heat damage. Curl pattern = gone after over 400 degree flat ironing
She put up a picture of herself saying that was her fake hair. That was fake hair because she had cornrows and crochet fake hair onto it herself... You cannot look at your whole head close enough even with all the mirrors in the world to do this on a regular basis and not measure hair up real bad just like her hair looks.... I'm gonna tell you in my opinion what I think happened she'd been crochet braiding her hair And after a while it really tore it up and she wants to blame someone else... I have seen where people do their own crochet braiding and after about a year or so they have bald patches very uneven hair thin spots scraggly dried out ends it's bad. Even a professional who's not really good can damage your hair but there's no way you can see your own hair close up enough to know where to place the hook and pull the fake hair through without damaging the other hair around it with mirrors- especially if you're doing it on a regular basis. This is a Karen
Yeah this is the wrong case for this judge cause he definitely fucked up her hair
I 100% believe her. As an African American woman I believe this happened to many if not all of us. It’s definitely happened to me. He may not have meant to intentionally do it but he definitely messed up her hair. Should’ve went to Judge Mathis 😂😂😂
I've gotten blow outs/ silk presses plenty of times. They usually use a keratin treatment which does have a smell and it's what basically gets the 4c hair bone straight like you want. My curl pattern has gotten looser over time but it still looks great in the natural state. Now, dead ends will usually stay straight, tattered and brittle looking especially when you add heat to it.
The defendant admitted putting a relaxer in
He never said he put a relaxer in her hair. He even said he does not have those products in his salon.
The plaintiff is just plain ridiculous
Girl why would he sneak something in your head that people pay good money for…
She just has heat damage.
I’m so upset at this verdict because it was most certainly wrong. The difference in her hair was proof of damage! She should’ve went to judge mablene or something because Milian is unfortunately clueless on this issue. Not cutting split ends can make your hair frizzy and unhealthy, but not bone straight. His defense was not a justification for how her hair looked. It was extremely straight after her visit to him, and didn’t revert back to curly. It should have reverted regardless of damaged ends 😑