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Why Did Zandalari Join the Horde? - World of Warcraft Lore
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- Covering the history of the Zandalari from the beginning up to World of Warcraft: Battle for Azeroth, including speculations.
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In this video I talk about the history of Zandalari all the way from the Aqir war up to World of Warcraft Battle for Azeroth. Lastly I cover why they are joining the Horde based on the history. What are their options and reasons for doing so.
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The Zandalari didn't join the horde. The Horde joined the Zandalari. *Guitar riff*
Bonefetcher Brimley that could be argued because the horde is just pretty much helping them out to try and recruit them to the horde so technically the zandalari is joining the horde because if the horde where to join them we wouldn’t be called the horde anymore they would want to keep there name of the zandalari empire or something along those lines not keep the name the horde as that has no ties to them but that’s just my opinion on it I’m sure there are many other thoughts on that subject and also if we joined them there king would be our leader and I don’t think that’s gonna happen but you never no I guess lol
Bonefetcher Brimley o also when you rescue the princess from stormwind in the cut sene after she states “ I have seeked our help from the horde” so that leads me to be leave they asked up to help break them out we said yes we will if you consider joining us
@@brandonmichael1987 He meant that as a joke :/
TheHistoricalPartisan it’s hard to tell as iv met more idiots than I can count on my hands that truly believe that and refuse to believe that the zandalari is joining the horde they think we are joining them
I think the main reason was because Stormwind captured a Zandalari ship and imprisoned the Zandalari Princess. The princess was then rescued by members of the Horde during their rescue mission for Varok Saurfang. In gratitude, I suppose, diplomatic relations between the Zandalari Trolls & the Horde improved and since they wanted power restored, they allied themselves with them.
And this is also the main reason why the Alliance went to Kul Tiras to recruit them as the Zandalari Navy was only matched by the Kul Tiran Navy at sea.
Well i still belive that Zanalari with Wild Gods who lived for thousands of years and fought the Dark Empire of the old gods and survived are generaly stronger then the Kul'tirans. But i guess pure navy wise if the Zandalari are fair and use no Magic yes.
The Horde beat Kul Tiras even before the inclusion of the Forsaken, Blood Elves, Goblins (technically) and Pandaren allies. With the Zandalari Navy, what's stopping them from victory once again?
when i played the alpha it was pretty clear that we came to rescue the princess (and zul)
xXxgodHunter yea the princess even states a few times that she asked the horde for help it’s just her father that is unsure of us they came to us for help we said yes we will help if you join us is how I see it
Having played the game on release, it turns out it went the other way around. The ''precious cargo'' horde went to retrieve were the Zandalari to begin with. Even Saurfang tells them something along the lines that ''I know you are not here for me. The prize you seek is down the hall'' (can't remember exact words)
How are the Pandaren members of the Horde going to react as well as the Goblins and the Blood Elves?
Alexanderiii From what I gather about pandaren culture they dont hold grudges. And I beleive the last zandalar campaing was under Zul not Rastakan. Which makes the Zandalar who are joining the Horde in a way innocent when it comes to it.
It's like germany in the EU
They simply know that the Zandalari loyal to Rastakhan have nothing to do with what Zul's fleet has done. And Zul was exiled and acted on his own will, wich is also why he now is trying to overthrow Rastakhan. He is the one who went to war with us, while Rastakhans People are the ones helping us against Hakkar and in other Troll Areas due to the Loa and Trolls in danger. Now the Princess is saved and this opens up the earning of them joining us.
Best comment Travoschi hahaha
Imagine how amazing zandalar and Jungle troll(Darkspear) Hybrids would look. Darkspear and Zandalar would gain so much power and they would have a new reinforced race.
Since Vol’Jin is returning they may make him marry Rastakhan Daughter & that would unite both Darkspear Loa and Zandalar Loa. The Story that could be created is endless!
I don't believe Vol'jin is going to comeback in a living state, probably as a spirit or maybe even a Loa.
cant wait being a dinosaur/turtle tank!
Turdle turdle
can't say really, go what you think is cool/best.
Great video. Spoken clearly and with great visuals.
Thanks. :)
finally unlocked this race, they seem so fun and earthly.
Great history lesson. If you only wanted an answer to the question in the title, skip to 6:50
I'm Alliance in heart. But even being ally, I have to admit that trolls have the coolest background from the whole horde. When the zandalari appeared in MoP I was crazy about them! I'm going to have a zandalari troll in horde for sure!
LEILLIS SANTOS Lok’tar! we welcome you friend! Perhaps you’ll join the horde permanently some day.
LEILLIS SANTOS I like all horse races lore except goblins and undead
LEILLIS SANTOS exact same situation here
Oh mate, im crazy about dwarves as well, and crazy about dark iron dwarves, as im huge fan of all of combining red and dark colours, and im fabulous belf/nighhtborne in heart! For the Horlliance!
Why did azhura attack them?
what really bugs me is why the mogu betrayed the zandalari was so hopping they would be an allied race to horde, given them their first ever titan born race.
Lord Doron knows the way
Indeed.
He is the new Commanda.
Click click click click click ckick
That meme is dead. Deal with it
Aleksandar Brankosson ok
Nice video as per usual. The horde is looking mighty fine with the zandalari added. I never thought ide say this. I may go back to the horde.
come back and claim your destiny as a alliance killer
One thing worth noting is that the force led by Zul during Mists was only a relatively small part of the Zandalari fleet, which is why the Horde wishes to bring the Zandalari into their fold, having seen what a small portion of their naval might can do, to have the full might of the Zandalari Navy would be a massive boost in power to the Horde.
Rastakhan has been betrayed by Zul in his lust for power, and so it makes sense for him to ally himself with the Horde, having seen their prowess and how they have defeated Zul's forces in the past, it makes lots of sense for him to ally himself with them.
You tell stories just like nobble. I love it
Epic video
Good vid...thanks
It's funny how the trolls were originally an afterthought, but over the years, they have had some of the deepest lore
The trolls are the first and oldest natural race on azeroth. They're so old even all elves are just a branch in troll evolution
Troll history is rich and vast, like Queen Azshara's legs.
you got to upload more man i fucking love your vids
Thanks, currently scheduling videos for at least once a week.
Nice video, makes me wonder if we will soon see some Zanadalari walk around in Orgrimmar like the other allied races. Has there been any retcon regarding the status of their capital by the way? It is said to be rapidly sinking, but no one mentioned it in the previews so far.
I feel that the actions the Alliance chose during the story of Zandalar (blowing up the fleet and murdering King Rastakahn) sort of solidified the whole "joining the Horde" thing
Short version. They rescued Talanji from Alliance captivity, helped the Zandalari sort their internal problems out, which destabilized Zandalar, and helped defend Dazar’alor against an Alliance attack.
Through the Zandalari, could we see future possible Mogu allies?
Most likely not. I can’t think of a single friendly Mogu we met throughout Pandaria, and there’s a book you can loot from Zandalari mobs on the aisle of Thunder that talks about how the Mogu look at them like inferior beings only good for war. Couple that with the pride from the Sha, it would be silly to imagine anyone getting Mogu
There’s still Goblin and Undead allies that need filling. My vote for those are Gilgoblins and Darkfallen (undead elves).
im pumped
I think pandaren won't teach the Zandalari how to be monks after the whole Thunder King insident
Dude Brah Same thing could be said about Garrosh. But eh.
zandalari which we fight in pandaria were rebels which were not supported by king a zul was exiled in that time (as alpha in zuldazar said)
Hey that is fine as long as we get Loadins instead of another stupid monk race.
Thomas Wright um. The pandarens sought out the leaders of each faction on there own. We never forced the pandarens to lock down loyalty to either one.
Thomas Wright right, we helped save their turtle after the pandarens tried to blow up a splinter. They chose and befriended sides after this.
Zul’jin gonna be rollin’ innis grave, mon!
Bryan Jackson that's True MON!
The "Cataclysm caused Zuldazar to slowly sink"-scenario has either been retconned or solved in the background. The only zone which Deathwing apparently has wrecked is the swamp Nazmir that used to be fertile farm land. In diary entries on the isle of thunder Zandalari-trolls did say that their capital was sinking in days.
Either, you disregard those journals and diaries or you imagine king Rhastakhan doing some vodoo-loa-hocus-pocus to save the city.
Quick, Doron... T'paartos versus Jaraaxus. Your opinion, please.
Gamon still has the upper hand
Bah. T'paartos has his animals and critters. Gamon would not last long... Unless he had a snake or something.
T'paartos ofc. Is that even a question at this point?
Dogmelter42 T’PAARTOS!
Hey Doran, did King Rhastakhan sanction Zul’s campaign against Azeroth? If Rhastakhan didn’t, then it would make sense for the Horde to allow Zandalar to join, considering Rhastakhan could be argued to be a neutral faction and that Zul and his men were the antagonist in this whole mess.
If I can recall, Lorewalker Cho tell us that King Rastakhan send Prophet Zul and HIS FOLLOWERS to search land for them, tecnically there are two bands of Zandalari Trolls, so there should not be any problem of why the Zandalary Troll join the Horde, as why didn't fight Rastakhan's Trolls (Who I believe are the ones who join the Horde)
You should of mentioned Princess Talanji being rescued from Stormwind, that has a big part in the reason why they join. Horde returns Talanji to Rastakhan and their relations improve a hundredfold.
They are cool I really hope the Amani become available at some point
how is it that I just found this here channel?
love our channel. Keep up.
I wonder if we'll get cutscenes as detailed as Kul'Tiras and Zandalar with the other allied Races
definitely rolling a zandalari druid!!
Simple the princess was in an alliance prison
Silent Priest i tought you were talking about the pig in Elwyn forest. The one with the prize on ...
Liam Lefort lol
Either way she was set free
Liam Lefort Pig allied race confirmed?
I haven't played since wrath and resubbed last week. First BFA questing was busting them out of stormwind and the game made zero explanation as to why, or why I should care
If the horde races can forgive the zandalari for their past the horde can work with the alliance for peace among races.
TLDR;
Zandalaris are trolls with many factions (Amani, Gurubashi) - Rastakhan and the greater Zandalari race never explicitly were against the Horde.
Zandalari trolls are probably the most intresting race added lately
I was expecting to make expansion like wow: zandalar some day where we would fight zandalari empire, but i guess this is fine too.
When you realize the Horde is more Trolls/Elves than Orcs :D now its like 5/8 races :D
How I see it, we've only been fighting Zul's zandalar army, not the actual zandalari that stayed in zuldazar. So kinda like two different factions
The trolls in Pandaria were from Zandalar ! oomg
Because of Horde BBQ fiestas
Only 1 big nitpick I have with the video is a lore one. The Zandarlari claim that they have never used nor never will use slaves like their other tribes because it was beneath them. In BFA beta it is also further reinforced in the Zandalari zones near the start as well, other then that I enjoyed the video.
Real question is why Horde suddenly needed Zandalari. That's cause half of its army was teamkilled by the warchief xD
One detail: the land of Azaroth were all over the place. The titans, wanting to organise this mew world they came across, moved all the land in one giant continent.
The trolls history, as well as the mantis history, remember those events, and they both call the titans "the great usurpers".
That because the trolls were on Azaroth before the arrival of the Titans, some serving the Old Gods and their servants. This is how old the Zadalari troll race really is.
Wow I didn't even know that, now I wanna know the trolls true origins and how they came to be if they were here before the Titans and old gods.
@@jeffreydavidson5161 to be clear, they were before the Titans came to Azeroth. The Titans existed way before even discovering Azeroth (in the old lore, things are being "reframed" a lot lately, so things might change...
do you mind if i use this video for my reddit (www.reddit.com/r/WorldOfTrollcraft/) in my lore post?
Dont you guys agree that monk should be an available class for zandali trolls?
Was the audio at points intentionally meant to be played? Sometimes it got too loud over your own voice mate. Otherwise great video as always Doron. Can't wait to play these Zandalari in BfA!
Could you link the times for it? There shouldn't be any audio issues with the video.
5:11 - 5:12 - ish. When Hakkar is screaming into the air it kind of loops over your own voice.
Yeah I put that on purpose as a sound effect.
your voice is very sexy but suck
Truth be told your voice ford really well with ANYTHING troll related imo. If you would add the accent Then it would be even more legit :)
real life history has proven that former enemies will unite if doing so is mutually beneficial , especially if their both desperate
the horde and zandalari need each other
The Zandalari are basically the Highborn of the troll
I like the way you say ghelp
Zandalari island never been sinking, it was just Zul's words to gather more trolls around him.
I will sub the day you correctly pronounce Azeroth
It would be nice to see them as something other than enemies, that's true.. but I am an alliance player, so.. I guess that's not gonna happen :D
Wait a minute... will we be rewarded if we give our Bloods of Sargeras to Hakkar the Soulflayer?
8:39 wtf did he just say?
loooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooool thanks for taking the time out of your day to watch this video aaaand see you next time
it was not zandalari that evolved into night elves it was dark trolls. whom are pretty much wiped out now.
Goblins don't really harbor old grudges though. They're bad for business.
Hmm idk, maybe it’s because they randomly marched into dazar’alor, killed their king, and ran away
The Zandalari didn't join the horde. The Horde joined the zandalari! >:D
Cause trolls would look fucking stupid on the Alliance, that's why
Because the Horde is AWESOME! RAWR!!!!!!
Reason why the Zandalari aid the Horde: Horde helps the Zandalari with the loa-killing morons and Sylvanas is chosen by the Loa. Boom. Done.
Heyo Doron, Feltrand here. You still playing World of Warcraft? Greetings from former Defias Brotherhood.
Yeah of course, just not as much as before. Used to play a lot on Defias Brotherhood before I transferred to Argent Dawn. :)
This video really downplays how powerful the Zandalari empire still is, especially as the horde reunites it post-civil war. They may no longer rule the entire world, but they are still the strongest faction to exist outside of Horde and Alliance. Not to mention the scholarly nature of Zandalari, and they're obsession with being Azeroths historians. Zuldazar potentially has the most magnificent libraries in all of Azeroth.
You’re wrong, Doron.
Trolls and Night Elves evolved from the Dark Trolls.
NE’s aren’t descendants of the Zandalari.
FurCry No man,the elves evolved from the dark trolls,and the dark trolls were descedents of the zandalari
FurCry NEs are in essence very distant descendants of the Zandalari. Dark Trolls were a sub-group that split off from the Zandalari, who then evolved into the NEs.
"The dark trolls (also known as dark forest trolls) are an elusive and mysterious subspecies of dark-skinned trolls that once lived on Mount Hyjal and several other scattered areas around the western and central parts of ancient Kalimdor. Notably, it was a group of dark trolls living on the borders of the Well of Eternity that evolved into the first night elves. According to scattered reports, dark trolls have gray to black skin and lead a mostly subterranean existence. They are believed to be cannibals for the most part. Only a single dark troll tribe has been seen in the modern era: the Shadowtooth clan."
Who are these guy? I never see them in Legion.
Sylvanas not my Warchief!
RESPECT HER AUTHORITY!§!!!!
The door costs like 35 bucks the alliance is waiting for you
Why did the Sethrak join the Alliance?
Amnesiac Lapp because the sethrak hate the zandalari
The CHorde
The CHistory
the CHlore
okay
Because kul tiras is joining the alliance
Zandalari Master Race
Pozdrav! ^_^
So you got a few things wrong here. The reason why Zul try to recruit the Darkspear wasn't out of respect but because the Darkspear had actually built up their power and numbers to be considered a formidable threat. Also, the Zandalari are racial supremacist that believe only trolls should rule(specifically Zandalari at the top) Blizzard pretty much created an asspull and retconned their lore to make them joining the Horde possible.
Technically that is what I ment. Trolls much like orcs respect strength.
Gareth Owen-crumpton, I’m curious, if Zandalaris are racial supremest, why would they send envoy in Stranglethorn Vale to combat ZulGurub? The Zandalari seems to be cool with allying with both the alliance and horde in that mess. If Zul is an independent actor, it could be argued that his faction are the supremest - not the entire Zandalari race under Rhastakhan.
Well there's a few reasons for that, the biggest being that Zandalari lore wasn't fleshed out at that point. Now with the lore being fleshed out, you could make the case of them allying with us being a smaller sin than the Gurubashi's use of Blood Magic which is frowned upon in Zandalari culture. Or you could use the argument that they didn't ally with us but more on the lines of employed us like mercenaries to deal with the issue for them. Besides it was easier for them to employ Alliance and Horde adventures to deal with the Gurubashi then mobilize their own army to fight the Gurubashi.
Gareth Owen-crumpton, yeah that’s a good point - both interpretation are valid and I guess we won’t really know unless they explicitly told us which it actually is. That explains the ZulGurub campaign.
Could you also interpret that the Zandalari that has been wrecking havoc in Azeroth (ZG, Amani, Pandaria) are that of the Zul faction and not that of the Zandalar under Rhastakhan? Considering that Rhastakhan will be allying with the Horde in the future, it could be inferred that theres two factions between Zul and Rhastakhan.
That one I think is mostly Zul but he did start his to goal to unify the troll tribes because of a vision, a vision that Rastakhan ignored and instead merely gave Zul some of Zandalar's largest ships in order to get rid of him. However a lot of the trolls that follow Zul started following him after they lost faith in Rastakhan after he handled the Cataclysm. So i'd say it's like 90% Zul's doing and 10% Rastakhan's doing.
I'm still waiting for Naga and Tiger People lol.
HYEALLOW GUYS
very very simple. they got their asses saved from 3 different doomsday scenarios, so they owe them big time.
It's Wakanda...
Its simple because horde is awesomez
Horde awesome, Dinosaurs awesome, easy fit.
For the Horde!
I dont even know why alliance exists anymore
Woopz its easy... Alliance is a place where all crybabies gather to complain about how unfair life is.
Thats why they got Void Elfs... perfect Emo Race.
Woopz 07, The Alliance exists so the Horde can have a place to smash their boots into.
If u can't beat em join em
rly hoping for some horde badass moments seems like only alliance get them every expansion
wow totally cluesss on lore wow if you got one follower he must be forrest gump
The alliance wouldnt take them. You just cant get that awful troll smell out of anything
still just an enemy for an alliance player :)
Simple, because they're impossible to join alliance...Trolls in alliance...C'mon... Not mentioned they have relatives in the Horde...
u think Zandalari trolls like Anime?
Even more simple... They are trolls. Lol
1.25 speed, u welcome :P
How are they going to react ? They won't. Actual Blizzard doesn't care about this kind of plot. :/
It's more and more about heroism, than social/economy and politics.
we wuz trollz
they sure as hell wouldent join the alliance ;p
"Why Did Zandalari Join the Horde?". Well, because primitive looking races won't see themselves or be seen by others as an Alliance race?! xD
Not wrong. Night Elves used to be racist for example. It is canon.
Primitive looking? Zandalari aren't primitive looking or primitive at all, their empire is the oldest from all playable races and their sophistication and royalty matches the Elves. They're nothing like Darkspear
probably because nelves and humans are racist assholes
Cuz they're trolls ;)
Short Answer: They’re Trolls
Do you speak Russian?
Somewhat, nowhere near fluently however.
Trolls.. eek .. Thank gosh that they didn’t joined the Alliance.. 😄
Martin Bikev true if they did it would ruin faction idenity
yes, because the Horde is the best and we have Zandalari now
But can they be paladins though?
Joshua Price no :(
They will. Blizz is just hiding it but there are too many hints for them not to be.