The Unreasonable Effectiveness of Heavy Clubs
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For people in europe, Eryx now have an adjustable club ( 6 to 16kg) with a different system, for €150 ( exc. dev. )
Looks decent
Nice one cheers I’ll get one for sure
I've pre-ordered it and am currently waiting for them to receive the stock. I got a pair of their adjustable KB and the adjustable macebell also and the quality is excellent. I'm confident that the club will be good 👍
Interested what people will think of it, I like the lack of central thread, although that makes spacers unlikely, it doesnt do microloading down to 1.25 lbs, and is knurled, anyway I'm all clubbed out with gear at this point meself, will check out the reviews post preorder.
@@YanisTaraud yes, like the kettlebell, getting great use out of it doing a waving weights ABC
finally
Mark, I'm so glad one day one of your videos popped up on my CZcams. Since then I've made several different weight clubs and maces and purchased an adex fat handle club and mace. Been following your videos and using them in my workouts ever since. I feel great!!!! What the Hell!!!!
How does your made stuff now compare to adex?
I feel like Mark is training to take down a post-apocalyptic warlord. He's got his Motorcycle Chariot ready.
Mad Max or Mad Mark ? 😂
I notice in your videos that sometimes the spacers are on the end of the club and sometimes on the handle side. This video shows spacers on both sides, concentrating the weight in the middle of the club. I get that you are manipulating the center of mass, but would love to see a video on the use cases of the different configurations (the why). Your programs have radically changed my fitness. So much extra equipment in my space now because these are so appropriate to my sport (dragon boat). Thank you for sharing free content in addition to your paid programs.
Weights and spacers are painted. Customize your gear. The weight is far from the handle.
5:15 my n=1 datapoint confirms this. My low back/QL pain went away when I started inside circles outside circles and shield cast, even with just a light weight starting out (6lbs handle + spindle)
Good to know! Hopefully it helps my back as well! 💪🏻
Yes 👍. Suitcase deadlifts and improving hip mobility and the McGill Big 3 are also great for improving general chronic low back pain.
@@brawndothethirstmutilator9848 if walking also has efficacy for lower back pain, wonder what suitcase carries as per DJ would add here.
My father was a carpenter and he had the thickest arms. His fingers were thick and calloused to the max. Everytime I’d challenge arm wrestling or grip strength I’d fold every time.
I thought I’d never get his arms. I weight lifted, did mma, BJJ and did the conventional martial arts Strength and conditioning but i never got that thick blue collar arms and hands.
Training with these clubs has changed it all! My hands and arms are much noticeably thicker. A lot of veins and callouses too.
People notice it and they always ask about my arm day workouts. I just tell them I do club training.
I did club training not for these reasons but to improve my shoulder and arm connections when doing my martial arts . Club bells is %110 effective for martial arts!
The side effect is that it gives you badass arms.
You had your father's arms, this particular training showed them, I'd take that, these comments are great. So many paths 🙏
how heavy is ur most used club nowadays?
Love it, shield casting with saddle bags!
Agreed, the WTH Effect definitely applies to clubs too =)
This is excellent and would be even better if the last couple minutes of the video were at the start. It would be more ‘shareable’. As it’s the most crucial and applicable summary of the benefits of heavy clubs that I’ve yet seen.
Or, wait for it.....you get gently pulled in, seduced almost, you settle into the glow of this forgotten knowledge of the casting patterns..... susshhhh....mmhh ? interesting........then 'kaplang' mf, just when your defences are down, and in your weakened state....the vista unfolds....you get the blinding vision.......it's hard to look back then......you might have rejected this rush so early on...... just me? 😂
You can share CZcams videos at a specific timestamp so the link will open and start playing where you want. Look into it
why not 'reasonable', levers healed my shoulder for crying out loud and knit me together like it's hard to describe, I protest ! 😂
the chariot looks pretty awesome
Loving my Titan Fitness clubs because Onnit didn't carry a 45lb one anymore. It's well worth it to get lower weight ones too. It is physically impossible to hold anything over a 25lb at certain fulcrum points. A 45lb club is shockingly humbling, doing a shield cast with it takes a couple weeks to build up to.
I feel the same way about my 35 pound mace. About 8 years ago I found it on sale from a company going out of business and said, “Great deal! Why not?”, and made the jump from a 15 pound mace straight to 35. Humbling lol.
Your coaching Heavy Clubs is what Pavel did for Kettlebell. Thank you!
Do you have a view on weight equivalence between clubs and maces? e.g. when doing shield casts vs mace 360s does a 15 kg feel like a 10 kg mace? (from my own experience 20min 360s with a 12Kg mace feels MUCH harder than 20 min shield casts with a 15kg club)
How would one include Heavy Club and Kettlbell training with progressive calisthenics (think Handstand Push-ups, Pull-ups, Front Lever Rows, Planche Push-Ups, and Heavy Single Leg Squats), along with a Sport like MMA, BJJ and MUay Thai?
I’ve run heavy clubs along with rings and parallettes. The two ways I’ve done it are as follows:
1) light club training as warm up/cool down with sessions of rings or p-bars on an alternating session format
2) an “A,B,C” schedule with clubs getting their own intensive full session and the rings and p-bars on the other days also each getting a dedicated day
Both work well, it just depends what you’re trying to achieve. Some considerations I’d recommend making:
1) watch your shoulders, upper body leverage work and clubs can be stressful to the shoulders when combined - requires appropriate rest and progressive loading
2) many calisthenics programs tend to have an upper body emphasis, if you’re looking for balance don’t forget to train into squat/lunge/hinge patterns with your clubs, perhaps even emphasizing them.
3) along with your sport, that’s a lot of moving parts, managing recovery and avoiding overtraining/overuse injuries will be your biggest factor in success
4) the more training tools or modalities you’re attempting in parallel the greater the need to narrow your focus into fewer movements with each tool (80/20 Pareto Principle - stay in the 20% with each domain of training).
Hope that helps.
@@brawndothethirstmutilator9848 Would you say that handstand push ups progressions, planche progressions, front lever row progressions and one arm or weight pull up progressions would be too much while learning how to use clubs?
Also, what is considered light for club and mace? Lastly, should I choose mace or club In my situation?
My thing is, I haven’t been in a sport for over a year. I definitely plan to get back into combat sports training. I used to box but wanna do mma or Muay Thai. That said, I wanna gain the benefits of heavy club training, kettlebells and do general strength training with calisthenics and single leg squats (using an kensui vest, and two adjustable kettlebells from bells of steel).
Hey! Would you choose the Arc or Club if you can only have one or the other? I ask because this is my scenario, especially as a begiinner with absoloutely no experience with this type of training. Can I get effectively away with a longer lever than a Club?
Club no question
@@cioran1754 thanks for the repsonse! Why though?
@@mikec5099because if you do either plan to go up in weight ( fully populate the weights on the arc ) or do Mark's club programmes, you limit what exercises you could do at that full arc length.
I got an Arc years ago and love it but also got a club later for the reason @cloran1754 states. The Arc works if you choke up on the handle or use two hands but I'd go with the club first.
It's personal preference. Some prefer club, some prefer mace. I prefer the variety and torque from mace more, plus (assuming you also kettlebell) I think it's more different than kettlebells (and clubs are inbetween those two). Either way you'll end up with both if you stick with it. Double clubs get pretty fun and complex tho.
@Mark Wildman how do you feel about grip tape on the heavy club's handle? Over your 30 minute workout, my sweat is making the club's handle quite slippery.
I’m not a fan. But some people love it
The things on his shoulders, what's this device used for, i.e what would you keep in the pouches? Thx. "What the hell effect." :o)
He keeps the scalps of his vanquished foes in there.
@@brawndothethirstmutilator9848 😂😂😂
I was thinking jerky, ( close enough, been watching fallout )
Donnie from Adex is da bomb. I swear he is a New Jersey Gaudio hidding in Florida, most likely for tax purposes.
He does make high-quality equipment though and is more then happy to assist you.
I swear, the Wildman needs to have a class at his Junkyard/Manufacturing Facility so we can see his real world toys.
SO a beginner looking to build muscle should not start with club/kettlebell but should return to enrich themselves when they've exhausted newbie gains traditionally?
You should start with kb and clubs. I think barbell should be way later
A club fell over on my toes, 10 lbs . Imo keep clubs laying down when not actively using.
Saving my pennies for this club.
yeah its expensive
@chiburu_uchinanchu, But cheaper than a full set of fixed weight clubs from 10-30 pounds. More space efficient and portable too.
@@brawndothethirstmutilator9848 true but I live in hawaii lol
@@brawndothethirstmutilator9848 agreed, and these are the reasons I want it. Well worth it, imo, just not in the budget at the moment.
Best piece of equipment I have ever bought, well worth it.
I would have to look for 90 lb club a heavier kettlebell and a lighter mace
Please make these available in the UK
You can get Adex clubs delivered to the UK - I did. Expensive but so worth it.
@jeremy-dore it's the cost of the shipping that puts me off, how much did it cost you?;
240 pounds! I remember a video from a few years back when you were on a back deck at home doing an unwrapping of an Adex adjustable mace-bell (you were concerned with clipping your feet with it because it was a tad longer than your fixed weight mace-bell)
I believe you stated that you were Six foot One inch and 200 pounds!
You also had hair. 😄
I’ll probably top 260 in 2 years
Adex is not the only company making really good adjustable clubs/maces. There is cadi and a dozen similar others that aren't as premium. Pros and cons to each. Adex is a great choice. But there are options (including diy threaded pipe) for every budget and geographical location if these premium options are not feasible.
How does the CK Maceworks Cadi Club compare to the Adex club, especially for the Wildman program and the exercises her promotes? I fear the dimatere of stabdard plates beyond 2.5 plates being a limitng factor.
Any European companies with weights up to ~20-24kg?
@@mikec5099 not an issue. I'm currently using the Cadi Club with 2.5, 5, and 10lbs. I haven't maxed it out yet, but I heard you can max it out to 70lbs with multiple 10's
Any of the current mace and club offerings that don’t have these propriety weights and sleeves and just take one inch (standard) plates seem preferable
Diameter matters. Breaking your shins will ruin your day
I wish the add-ons had slots instead of pins so you could put them on over the weight stack upside-down instead of having to drop the weights into them. I'm a little more anal about chipping and rust than the Wildman here is, lol.
I like rust
Здравствуйте 20 кг надо одной рукой научится крутить или двумя?
Both…. Then with 1
He is visibly getting more muscular as these videos progress, I need to listen .
Hey Mark! What are your opinions on the CK Maceworks Cadi Club as an alternative option to the Adex Club? Honestly
I've been using a ck maceworks cadi club for a few months and love it. Haven't tried an adex but I think for two handed stuff the cadi club is amazing. That being said the adex tempts me for single hand stuff as the width of the weight plates you have to obviously put on the cadi club make me a bit concerned for the side of my head when doing single hand movements...haven't knocked myself out yet but it's always in the back of my mind!
Not Mark (obviously), but I have a fair amount of experience trying plate loading options. I found they generally offer less safety, lower level of performance, and inferior center of mass distribution (especially the club versions). They work ok with maces, as they make a closer approximation of the center of mass and feel of a traditional mace/gada. The problem with them is the circumference of the plates and increased risk of striking yourself with the plates. Only advantage is they are usually cheaper to get into. I personally wouldn’t use such a design unless it was my only available option.
If you need a cheap club, get an aluminum bat (or 2 or 3) with plastic end caps, drill into the end caps, fill the bats with different things (rice, sand, cement, bb shot) to get a couple of different weights, and seal the whole thing up with quick weld. I did this with a couple of youth bats from the Goodwill I bought for $10-$12.
@@brawndothethirstmutilator9848 that's some pretty great thoughts and cheap methods! Glad to hear it's not just me getting worried about hammering myself in the head too
Also curious on this! Why is Adex the only viable option?
@@ONdorch 'in the back of my mind' 🤣
25% of bodyweight is a good goal
Those sleeves could be used on a mace.
They all fit any of the 3 handle types.
What can one do when you have the coating handle/grip come off? it seems coating peel is inevitable and an extra expense for such an expensive item, especially as you go up in weight. For products with such a price, do they re-coat them for you for a lifetime (free of charge)? You wouldnt have this issue with brands like CK Maceworks Cadi Club or Shorties that have knurling and made of steel. Adex Should be using Knurling; I dont understand why they dont incorporate it. It would be shitty if they start using knurling and not replace them for those that have the non-knurling (free of charge).
Don explains on the youtube site why he does not use knurling.Having used for nearly ayear now ,knurling is not need ,the powder coat feels good in the hands,it will chip with use over time if you drop it etc.
@@terryharris1291 of course hes gonna justify for sales of his product. this doesnt mean his reason makes sense or is true.
I use an oil based paint pen to touch up chips, if it's a big area use enamel spray paint or wrap it with athletic tape like for a hockey stick or tennis racket. I personally hate knurling, I have an older Arc that used "splatter paint" and a newer club with powder coat. I prefer the paint because it lets the handle rotate smoother. Especially with an Arc or mace. Knurling would also increase the price a lot. I have no problem holding onto maxed out weight for 30min plus sessions. I do believe the Gladiator club is knurled though.
@@mikec5099 The club does not need knurling,I have trained for over 47 years,kettle bells and clubs are different to bars and do not require knurling.
Knurling is terrible on a club handle. Rips up the hands at high reps. If the coating chips, you can patch or refurbish with a thin layer of truck bed liner spray.
Weak kinetic chain gang!
I hope those threads don't unscrew themself during the without!
I’ve never had a problem and I swing a lot.