Improving working memory capacity | Torkel Klingberg | TEDxNorrköping
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- čas přidán 14. 09. 2014
- This talk was given at a local TEDx event, produced independently of the TED Conferences. The two live talks at this TEDxNorrköping event have "plasticity" in common. Capabilities for problem solving and for learning (or progress) have often been regarded as (inherited) components of the personality. Both Carol S Dweck and Torkel Klingberg have made clear, that improvements of such capabilities are supported by systematic use of appropriate training and feedback. Very essential knowledge for any parent, teacher, leader and human being in general.
Torkel Klingberg's research is focused on the development and plasticity of working memory and the research focus of his group is summarized on the group research page. Recent articles can be down-loaded from the list of publications from the group.
Torkel Klingberg was one of the founders the company Cogmed, but has currently no financial relationships with Cogmed, no stocks, no royalty and no consultancy agreements. He has published popular science books about working memory called “The overflowing brain” and recently completed a second book called "The learning brain".
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I can attest to this. I was told to practice n-back test when I consulted a psychologist for my ADHD like behavior, and after 40 days or so, I can now play that game at 4-back and my results in maths have improved a lot as well:)
Wow, I have ADD so I should try it too. Do you keep using that app?
Did you notice any improvement on your focus?
Nice, I started that game as well , seems promising so far
man, I have no chance even in the n-3 test, this seems promising :D
I practice pretty intensely, doing about 80 mins of session a day. I do one in the morning and just before bed. When I started, I reached 3 back the first day... two weeks after, I've managed to reach 7 back as my highest. I manage to attain 6 back for a good number of times switching to 5 back but immediately go back to 6 back as I somewhat mastered 5 back.
As of today, nearly my 4th week, i can do 6 back pretty well, reaching 7 back a couple of times. Nearly reached 8 back a couple of times.
The trend seems insane but I believed that the more intense your training is, the faster your brain will try to adapt. That's what I experience at least.
Lastly, there are DEFINITELY benefits to this. One thing I notice was that my memory improve drastically which helped a lot during school sessions. I could memorize an info once and it retains there for a good while (a couple of days). My concentration and attention also improve, this definitely help when you want to memorize something.
For me, my working memory improved dramatically after three things. First, a basic memory course. Second, undergoing psychotherapy to get rid if my past traumas. (I was deeply traumatized seeing my dad died in front of me when I was seven years old). Finally, stress management in general. These helped me breeze through medical and are vital to my everyday practice. I cannot stress the importance of regular stress management, not only for memory but for general health and both are in the intimately interrelated.
Can you share the link to the basis memory course you have mentioned above?
If you don't mind answering, to what extent was your working memory effected because of the trauma you went thru? Also please give some tips on stress management thanks
Could you provide a link for the memory course
Hi there! How are things going for you now?? Curious to know. ❤
Really hoping i can improve my working memory. I have a very hard time holding information in mind and applying it. This has majorly affected my ability too store things in my long term memory as well. Nothing was ever picked up in in school which is annoying. Im 28 now and just started stimulant medication which im slowly seeing benefits from but its not easy still.
What an effective intro. The slight pause at 00:20 and 0:23 makes you instantly relate to that feeling. Wouldn’t have been as effective if he didn’t pause.
Honestly seemed like he didn’t plan that 😂 but very true
I feel like excersizes like these should be step number 1 in any adhd treatment. Before medications are introduced.
Medication + psychotherapy is the best.
Would somebody PLEASE! Give this guy some WATER!!
@Mr. 8-Bit Doggo lol
Here's the talk in a nutshell: working memory is limited, but it can be improved through training.
Or you get better at the training
Can you summarise a little shorter please? By the time I read the end I forget what you said at the
@@potatohead7268 😂
@kevin Memory matrix games....go to play store
@kevin it is similar to it but not exactly the same. I am myself looking for that game.
Me encanta este fascinante mundo de las Neurociencias.gracias.
When you struggle to focus on a talk about working memory capacity
Funny
Listen at 1.25 speed. It's still slow but doable.
Working memory considered as a core of human cognition, so any good training for it will transfer to other cognitive abilities such as attention, fluid intelligence, problem solving, maths, reading comprehension... etc, the most powerful programs for training WM are adaptive computerized programs such as N Back and Cogmed,
Dr. Ahmed Kamal Eid
How does training transfer into other cognitive abilites ?
Well, the mind being able to hold more things has an easier time working with them. For example, it's hard solving a math problem if you can't remember what was the last step you did or what you were supposed to solve next.
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What are you talking about ?
I'm asking how does training in things like n-back and cogmed transfer into other activities?
I don't see how is that possible.
@@Ronnie7X jesus christ you remember more...
But does N Back and Cogmed transfer to tasks such as word span and reading span(which to me seem like the best unpracticed measures of working memory) especially to people with relatively normal focus? It seems like if anything those programs only improve focus which can aid in working memory, but it more or less aides in your ability to use your memory more efficiently.
wonderfull!! this is great things everyone should know
Jordan Peterson says that working memory is directly related to IQ. The better the working memory, the higher the IQ. So there is a way to increase IQ, by increasing working memory.
I think you can only train your working memory in a specific way.
It won't have an effect your performance on everything which requires a good working memory.
There's no decent evidence that working memory has a causal influence on IQ nor that working memory training improves one's working memory generally, hence why 99% of the studies in working memory training fail to find that it results in an improvement in intelligence.
As my grad advisor used to say, height and weight are correlated but eating 5,000 calories a day won't make you taller.
@@draheim90 I support that working memory doesn't really lead to a physical increase in intelligence, but what training working memory may do is increase the mental capacity which in turn will allow the person to hold more information in a cognitive session, therefore... it may actually lead to an increase in a person's IQ score due to having more data to analyze and process at any given instant. In summary, increasing working memory allows people to use more of their innate intelligence (i.e: higher IQ score), but will not increase that intelligence, so the person won't be able to increase the ability to think more creatively or even imagination/perception. What I feel would be a great combination, is Working Memory Training through DnB, Sudoku, Chess/Blind, Crossword Puzzles, Quick Arithmetic, and Image Streaming. Most of what I just mentioned target Working Memory directly or indirectly and Image streaming is proven to increase perception and imagination.
@@draheim90Подскажите, если мне 15, я ещё могу существенно повлиять на своё интеллектуальное развитие или уже поздно?
@@Kriptusik такой же вопрос
Loved the presentation. What is the program called
This would be a great opportunity for my mTBI patients. Thank you!
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The comments here show an interesting idea that constant entertainment is a fundamental human right.
ADHD children need this.
Am happy I have a wonderful working memory short and clear am gonna perfect on it
how fun this guy.
Before n-back it was hard for me to focus on even simple reading for 10 minutes, but after training for some time I can read and understand Kant up to 2 hours with short breaks, which seemed impossible before. Concentration, memory retention, understanding of complex concepts - everything got better.
Hello where do you play/train b-back?
so happy for you
where do you play n-back?
what an unassuming, and good person he seems. Great research.
+andy furlonger
What an inspiration why I am studying Psychology. Clever man!
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Thank you so much! There is hope for our ADHD Children that love videos games. Aloha from Hawaii Island, Mim Conley
he does tis presentation on how memory training helped people..
but dont specify methods to actuali elevate one's memory???
+j0e m1ke I think it's based on playing games like Dual N- Back (brainworkshop.sourceforge.net/) give it a try.
Yes... This is what I also wanted to said.
@@miguelbrito4759 I tired to download and I am unable to :(
Maybe he forgot
@@garychu76 hahahahahahaa
I am keen on this topic but I have two doubts:
1. Learn to perform good at one specific test, I think does not mean you increased your working memory
2. In this case he was not offering a placebo (which would consist in NOT giving the medicine) he was offering a little dose for the medicine. This little dose would have negative effect on your brain in learning to do that test because you became confident (overlearned) something easy. Instead you should challenge your brain in more difficulties and new topics. Check learn how to learn book or coursr
The game that he's referring to is about being able to hold more things in the short term, or working memory. That's all he's saying...
@@jlons5586 What ColouredLaundry is trying to say (if i'm getting it right..) is that getting to perform better on this specific test doesn't carry over to real life. It's like sone people say that doing sudoku's makes you better at something (i forgot what, but math maybe?) but it turns out that it just makes you better at doing sudoku's. But on the other hand, that dude says that they improved in 'real life' so apparently it does carry over to real life.
Edit: And by the way, lots of people are of the opinion that working memory is different from short term memory. Short term memory is simply remembering things short term. Working memory is doing stuff with that stuff: working with it.
the last sentence got me confused. were you recommending a book and course named Learn How to Learn?
Have you conducted research on using this strategy on the elderly with Dementia? If so, what have you found?
Cheryl Morgan I have studied dementia. I teach dementia to be a transition between the older slower and a newer faster way. dementia bearers are as easily trained as a child. it is the health problem which caused the dementia which kills them not the dementia itself. dementia is an effect. senility in all forms is an effect.
A God Hi, what would you recommend for MCI re medz or tips and what's the difference between the former & dementia?
had to watch this video in 2.0 before my working memeory forgot
Listen to it at 2x speed isn't as much of a waste of time, but the bottom line is: working memory can be improved with children.
any good basic memory capacity course for seniors?
Put the speed of the video on 1.25.
Thank you kind internet stranger!
Try 2.
I was hoping for practical applications to improve working memory and focus after brain injury; it was a waste of time. This was strictly review of his (great & hopeful) research on improving working memory for children with attention deficits.
Me too. I find this typical of a ted talk its just a lot of talking and thats it
Very essential knowledge for every parent or teacher.
VERY TRUE!!
+ the average person
every parent or teacher know about these but not do
We're can we find this game can someone give me link for the love of god
It effects my conversations
Why not show images?
I think I'll use this information to help boost my kids working memory before they turn 5. Maybe I can do memory game and give them candy if they answer correctly.
If they bark back at you, sprinkle them with water and don't give them candy
I wanna do that too because my poor kids will probably get adhd or add from me lmao
Can any one please suggest computer program (similar to video game) that he told about in this video. Also where to get that from? Thanks.
N- back
you can get it on the playstore
@@themark3000 Thank You!!!!!
improved memory by roughly 20-15 % percent... sounds slightly misleading because it sounds as if he said 20-50 per cent , but ok
So that was it ? This game where you have to remember which cubes or which asteroids were designated ?
Anyone knows about free memory games like this to download, not online Flash ?
+Mark L. Ferrer บกตกกต
Try this game. Create similar sound words or part of a word from various language that you already know.
Can someone also send me the link to this program I really need it, it will help me so much
No worries.Just download the app dual n back from play store
Could you find the link ?
10:11 So based on the subjects' feedback, wouldn't it then strongly suggest not exactly a "working-memory" issue but rather attention-span instead? The ability to focus on immediate stimuli (i.e. the processing and storing of short-term memory) is the exact opposite of being on say a more introspective, contemplative state (associative, long-term memory). It's perhaps strongly linked to brainwave states also, that is Alpha (contemplative) and Beta (immediate). You can't be in both states concurrently at the same time.
Working memory is core to attention. Poor working memory is the basis for "inattention" or "attention deficit".
I wonder with things like this; if your life improves in one way and you gain the ability to have a better working memory or whatever, what are the effects on the rest of your life? Perhaps it's as simple as the rest of your life is neglected more and so doesn't develop as strongly or perhaps there are genuine negative impacts of making your brain 'overly' specialised in this way. At the end of the day we're designed by evolution to live in small tribes presumably with varied activities throughout the day and throughout the year, I wonder if really by specialising in certain ways we're running away from the type of people we should be and rather focusing too heavily on the type of person we 'need' to be in the modern world. It would be an 'illogical' step backwards not to specialise ourselves but also what use is logic to your well being? It's just a tool, I think what really matters is something else although I don't know what. I can't see what it is exactly I'm missing. It always felt like it was 'loving parents' that I was missing and now I think it's a part of myself I'm missing, and sometimes I think that if we lived in the way we were designed to by evolution 'magically' I would be able to see the purpose of my life and life in general
What if you imagined yourself as who you are right in this moment and nothing else? If you could stop trying to define yourself thru your experiences or your personality or anything except you right in this moment? When you breathe in when you breathe out, this is you. Heard about this thru Dr K and altho it is extremely hard to apply in our lives it's definitely worth giving a try I believe.
Also about purpose of life, I used to ponder about it all the time, and I think I finally know the answer. In my opinion there is no point in life, we are born to die, however this is an objective view. It's looking at life from outside like outer space having no connection with the living whatsoever. But we are not in outer space, we are here in this body, alive breathing and we can have our own purpose because we are alive!! Emphasis on being alive!! I think it's one of the amazing thing about being alive. We can have a purpose in respect to the time we are present here and it could be anything.
I am not able focus on study while I sit for study and another one problem is that before sit for study I have so much passion to study but while I sit for study it slowly slowly decrease and I don't concentrate on study due to which I always at last position in school... and while I watch the motivation video I motivate but after few hours it decrease ... sometime I go in depression ...my dream is so big bit I don't work hard according to my dream so what can I do through which I completely focus on my study ...
Edward - you need to study 20 to 30 minutes on each topic. Change to other activity or other topic of interest. Try this.
These studies was done with children. Have they done these studies with adults? Adults over 30 or 40?
it serves to adults?
Sucks you can't just buy cogmed, you have to go through a lengthy assessment and someone has to refer you.
Отличная презентация игры nBack
Summary of this Talk: Working memory can be improved with some games, he don't specify any. save yourself 11 minutes
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There is an app called "Brain Training" it has similar games on all aspects not just memory.
How cool videos
Did he say 45 minutes or 4-5 minutes?
45
How about adults having these same issues
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I watched this at 2x and it's still slow
7 as memory's magic number; interesting idea. I play chess competitively and I've come to be able to not only play out multiple scenarios in my mind, I can think at least 6 or 7 moves ahead. In addition to that, I'm keeping in my mind's pocket traps and forks I'm developing. So, am I exceeding 7 memories so to speak, or am I only working with 2 or 3 concepts that entail certain steps?
+Deleuzeshammerflow You're actually using a different part of your brain when you are looking into the future than when you are testing memory...If you were to look at fMRI or functional Magnetic Resonance Imaging you would notice that your pre-frontal cortex is lighting up when you look into the future (or in your case 6 or 7 moves ahead), while when you are attempting to remember something your hippocampus will light up...to answer your question: since you are evaluating possible future moves, you are actually planning and making a decision; your ability to do this shows that you have a pretty good ability to focus on several things at once, all of which activate the pre-frontal cortex.
oh okay, that's intriguing, thank you!
+Deleuzeshammerflow no problem! Hope I didn't come off arrogant, just trying to help share knowledge! :)
No no, not at all, I learned something new!
+Deleuzeshammerflow haha, great! I'm glad I could help with that!
Where the memory game?
every person know about these but not do
There is an electro-mechanical game called Simon Trickster that will help you develop your working memory. Costs about $10 at Target.
What,s his nationality? He does not speak like native speaker
Swedish maybe
Kingberg says that after several weeks of training, working memory can be improved somewhere between 15 and 20%. But he started out with the base rate of people's working memory as being at approximately 7 "chunks". Think about what he is NOT saying: if you start with seven chunks and raise that by 20%, then you arrive at LESS than 8 chunks! If you do NOT arrive at 8, then you have in fact accomplished nothing. (While SOME may arrive at 8, this also applies that others actually DECREASED -- another point not mentioned!). This is not very impressive!
7 + 20% = 8,4 :)
I will learn that to all the french doctors or psycho-thing who say there is nos solution for developing working memory... Also french doctors and psychiatrics like give diazepam for stress who fall asleep the working memory for becoming a zombie ! I'm talking about France a fallen country now in third world for medecine.
It would be easier to just accept people with a poor working memory.
boring presentation but interesting topic and study
My working memory is terrible because of brain surgery for epilepsy. Really impacts on my life. Very much enjoyed this presentation.
Cathy Davidson always remember one thing memory is part of every single thought. most people don't seem to consciously understand this. memory is awesome in the fact it can transcend space and time. in a single perspective it can move from any point to any point in a single thought. I have been studying memory for 25 years.
Cathy Davidson try bacopa bhrami
Hmmmmmm
The joy of not being read is like a nothing about the word philosophy no will know this now cuz when you run to your brain and you say words like if you are star you can do and say what you want to women I like nothing about philosophies of somebody else that you read the book and you repeated and repeated and repeated and repeated and then you put words together like anybody forgot no problem continue to do whatever it is that you do but don't act like everybody joined what your philosophy of his no rooms nowhere so you have no door you have not to forget what was the reason before let's just take a moment to let's having a body does not come with a book independence of self does not come in a book when you have your own that is not joined what you forgot
I am not read so you cannot buried nowhere don't worry you didn't read that
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Why does he keep erming as he should remember what he's doing
Mike uhhhhhhhhhhh ehmmmmmm because english is probably not his first language.....
had to watch for my pych class. I have to say this was a very boring presentation, although it had some good information.
ADHD is a sub conscious over active automatic defense mechanism to block out a perceived external threat. To Manage or cure adhd you have to identify the subconscious fears that make listening difficult. Then you apply exposure therapy techniques to these fears and overcome these sub conscious fears using neuro linguistic programming techniques.
Could you please tell me more about this and neuro linguistic programming?
What is he trying to prove??
Thumbs down from me. Didn’t show how to enhance the working memory. Just dry talk
Incredibly vapid presentation. He puts me to sleep but subject matter is fascinating.
The latest research shows that Memory Training games are not as useful as once thought.
Cambridge University.
I've heard that, too, especially in terms of transfer-ability. However, perhaps there is something beneficial here, afterall: the experiments were repeated, he said.
How to make an interesting subject boring; such a bad presentation style, I zoned out halfway through, shame...
I think that's more down to a language barrier as I'm English and I felt the same way, I was interested but it was long, slow and he touched more on the uninteresting parts and dragged his points for way too long. lol
Perhaps, if it is language barrier then I apologise. I applaud anybody making a video in their non-native language. If I made one in Spanish, it would be very, very bad.
well it's at least his 2nd language I'm just guessing by his strong foreign accent and lots of "Umm"s while he is speaking, almost as if he's searching for words at times, but I guess that could just cause he's making a presentation lol.
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who has time to give a shit about the presentation style. The ideas presented by him are priceless.
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Mommy this was boring
Meh talk. Imo ted talks should give ppl ways they can improve themselves
Boring bro get some energy
Fraud!
Eh?
@@grinch4567 It does not work. 100% disproven.
@@brotausmandeln1428 Ah.....how disappointing!! Any idea why not?
And thank you.
@@grinch4567 Sorry that I can not give you the scientific data about this since I have looked last into it two years ago. Also the time is not really worth it xD
But if you look at the scientific literature you will see that is does not work.
There are of course studies that "prove" that it works (I think the most important one is from 2011 if I remember correctly), but this piece has been debunked very thoroughly.
It turns out that you only get better at the braingame itself and at games that are similar.
The further away the game or activity is, the weaker the effect becomes and eventually there is none.
So there are no far-transfere effects at all.
The same is true for playing music or playing video games.
Sadly none of that improves your working memory or makes you more intelligent in any way.