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#forza #forzamotorsport #forzamotorsport8 - Hry
Forza doesn’t know what it wants to be , it likes the idea of a sim but it really wants to be an arcade racer and it’s making one hell of a mess of doing both
While the racing itself is good i understand your point.
A certain points i have the feeling that I’m playing Project Gotham Racing. Those last games where also that mix.
But I don’t know if that’s good for a real racing game like Forza.
FM just has no soul compared to GT7.
Agree with that 100% and IMO the tyre model in FM is the best in sim racing. Braking is like iRacing, but much better mid corner physics and it feels like a better mix between rF2 and AMS2, but everything else is arcade. You can't even put the lights on while the game just does it if it's pitch dark I guess. Why can't I setup a race with practice and qualifying? No, it's race or practice. The AI is a joke and people online leaving me more space. AMS2 AI shows how it should be done. Why can't I map buttons to at least turn ABS/TC on or off if it doesn't support factual assists of the cars like all other sims. No manual pitstops and instead it often spits you out on the track just before a corner where you have to brake immediately to not crash.The menu is a joke and I need to hit escape often because there is no back-button. Than there is this woman voice talking. Who is she and why no spotter with actual information. And for an Arcade there is just everything missing what arcades adding with challenges that even pCars 3 did better or Forza before. And than there is no BOP in GT3 and other classes. You need to know and buy the cars that are op to have a chance online.
@@SnakeNL24even also has no soul compared to even all the older PS1 Racing games like both Moto Racer games.😢
We want to love Forza.
Agreed
You can't love something that doesn't love you back.
But...
Crashes, bad fps.. I didn't even get a chance
Feel you man, I love forza, so sad that it’s missed so many marks. I know we all tired of games relaeasing full of problems but I really want them to fix all these things so we can love it again
I agree with all your points and want to add one more: the distinct lack of stat-tracking. I have no idea how many podiums I've gotten in my multiplayer career and I would really like to know
This is something that is so annoying. Anyone who is really playing this game wants to see that stuff. Just feels unfinished
and replays still don't work at least not on PC
I know exactly how many I have. 1.
I have 3 wins in GT7 from about 110 races and those wins feel like they mean something. Not won anything in FM and probably won't, but if I do it they will be forgotten
@@widespreadbuyersame on xsx
As I die hard Forza fan, I don't even need to finish this video to know I agree with you. Let's go Rory!
You've nailed it mate. I seriously hope T10 get to see this. The balance of performance is absolutely ridiculous. I do hope they can get it right, it's got plenty of potential.
I wonder what the data is on the size of each ‘fan segment’ i.e. is the hardcore sim racing segment that wants this to be equivalent to ACC/iracing 5% or 50% of their player base.
The answer to that will tell you where their development focus will be.
It had potential, Turn10 murdered it. It never was a semi-casual-sim fairly playable with wheel/pedals. I trusted them playing on Xboxes from V1 they would make the effort too, but no they have not. I turned pc since 6 months, gave FM another try but it's a big disappointment.
Thanks to Steam for refunding my money.
Iracing, rF2, AMS2 will be laughing for Turn10 crashed and burned FM.
I'm sad, very sad FM never reached its potential.
RIP FM ;(
@@SiQuemaCuhhsure. I think it’s fairly fucking obvious people getting kicked were just circlejerkers
@@petermaardananders6803Bushiroad, much like Turn 10 recently, also killed it forever.
@@cheesepincher2166development focus seems like it focused on one side.
Radar is really the issue there: I was doing some singleplayer races, and I was in first place, I had a bot that tried to ram me off the road, and the proximity arrow stayed there. The bot was off the track and the arrow was there for like 5-6 laps even when I was doing 20 seconds ahead.
It's simply a joke, that doesn't work at all.
I really like the angle you took with this honestly! I have my gripes with the game too and it's nice to see someone take a well thought out approach with their criticisms of it. Most of the criticisms I've seen are just "fOrZa BaD beCauSe bAd GaMe!"
Fact is though the game is bad and sometimes that's all you can say. He has his concerns with how he likes to play, which may be different from your main concerns with how you like to play, which of course is different from my main concerns.
Theres too many of these issues, thats the problem. No matter how someone might play theres something wrong. 2 days ago turn 10 addressed 3 issues they're looking into, car progression, ai and penalties. These are 3 major systems that don't work properly, 3 systems they specifically called out in the run up to launch, all failures.
Now after years of waiting for this game to launch, they pretty much have to redo most of the game. Its not just the 3 issues they posted, the game is riddled with them.
Sometimes a game is bad, because it's just bad.
They need to add Open Track Day from fm7
It's not bad, it has broken features. The core forza physics are there and slightly improved, but the game has to work properly to race properly.
"Forza Bad Because Bad Game"
It really is that simple.
Love that you have given this a good and honest effort. I also love the bones of this game and believe it could be a great game. Your points are spot on. Thanks for sticking with it. I would say the big difference with a game like ACC is that this game is mainly directed toward the console market, game pass players and people playing on controllers. That unfortunately is where they believe the money is. I do believe you have a group of people at Forza Motorsport trying to retain the sim quality. It is perhaps fairer to compare this to gran turismo which has managed to develop into a pretty good sim catering to a console market. Is game pass the problem? Is that why the quality of racers is so poor on Forza? I think the best thing they could do for those of us that want a more serious experience is to separate the wheel users from those that are using controllers if desired or at least give the option to put much more emphasis on safety rating over “skill” when sorting lobby’s. They do need to make a change quickly and I fear it may already be too late as those with wheels (and very good controller players) may have already moved on as you and I are reluctantly doing ourselves. On another note how do you reward good behavior and good racing significantly more than brutishness? Perhaps that’s the key? Thanks again.
It didn't take long for me to give up on the multiplayer. I'm not the fastest driver but I always do my best to race clean. Unfortunately, there are far too many players that just want to ram everyone.
Totally agree with everything you say and I am a Forza fanboy, but you are right, time is running out quickly.
I have noticed player numbers are down. I'm on Xbox in Australia and its not uncommon to have 6 to 8 in lobbies now where as before they would be consistently full.
@@untrainedprofessionals2374what do you mean with Fanboy, a guy who loves the saga and Support they games? Or an Xbot that just defemds the game saying that its the best ever and that every other game is sh1t and insult their players? Cuz i found lots of those
Totally agree with you Rory, me personally, I've stopped playing online because there's just toooo many people in the lobbys that just dont want go race, I can honestly say 85% of the races I've been in have Been ruined by gamers just ramming other racers, I just had enough of it and stopped playing. But that's just my personal opinion. Nice content Rory
But do they not have a right to ram? Why does what you want over ride others ? I love to ram the serious racer in fact most races I enter I have the ability to win by some 10 seconds a race. How ever racing sometimes bores me and ram is fun
Totally agree with you Rory absolute garbage racing with ppl who just punt you off track it’s sickening
The punting off track is the same in GT7. Can’t help players with zero driver etiquette. GT7 also mixes drivers with high and low SR ratings so it’s luck of the draw if you get a clean or dirty lobby
@@TheLanieKid at least the ghosting works to an extent in GT7
People go on and on about the bad driving but its exactly the same even in the elitist sim racing
@@stuartfury3390 nah it's not. There's a panel of people who review footage on iracing and LFM and they ban people from the platform or you get suspended etc. Sure, it occasionally happens and accidents happen just as in real life, but it's nothing like these unpoliced console games. Oh and of course they have proper matchmaking too.
The problem is Gamepass. Too many people play that wouldnt of purchased
I absolutely love racing sims. I have always lovef Forza aswell as Gran Turismo, Project Cars etc. I just find it incredibly sad with what they have done with the series as you have mentioned in your video. I find myself going back to GT7 when I need a good racing fix. This is really a sad time for Forza. There was a time when I dropped countles hours into Forza 4, 5 or even 6. Currently I am just not bothered. I never thought I would ever say ths about a series I truly loved. I can only hope that they somehow turn this around and put Dan back in the creative director seat.
Bang on with all your points, I was in a game, and there was a team of 3 racers all on with mic,s who were actively picking out other racers and taking them out. I’m playing a lot less now because none of the issues are being sorted.
I had so much hope for this game but it disappoints so much. All you said is right and my biggest problem is the time they take with patches! It feels like nothing is done to the game. The basics like saving my wheel settings don't work. I have to select my preset every game start. That's ridiculous.
They need to fix it and they need to fix it fast.
It’s like they made one of the worst Forza’s possible.
All we wanted was finally an improvement on Forza Motorsport 3 (4-7 have just been dlc with new maps & cars & graphics, but physics and game engine was basically the same)
We wanted
- More realistic crash damage
- More realistic options for tunes and after-market parts
- same legendary tracks as before, but with more track options
- more multiplayer game modes and better balance & flow in current modes
Instead we got
- Less realistic crash damages
- less realism for after-market parts and the same level of tuning as the past 5 games
- less track options than before
- less legendary cars than before
- worse multiplayer mode mechanics and matchmaking
- A steaming pile of shit that I paid money for🤦♀️
I really enjoyed this video, as someone who religiously plays Forza, horizon & motorsport, everything you’ve said here just takes the words out of my mouth
Thankyou firstly for making this video and I’m excited to start watching more, it’s VERY good for us/people to voice our opinions publicly because if we don’t nothing will change.
Absolutely hate the online experience in terms of other players.. how can I have an S safety rating and a skill score of 4300 and yet every lobby I'm in is full of people purposely ramming me or driving like its bumper cars..
Hate to see you do your best and no one seems to care out on track
Rory, you summed it up perfectly. My sentiments exactly. Put a lot of effort to get my rank up to high 4000 +. Many of my races are destroyed by racers who don’t have a clue how to race properly.
In it's current state it is difficult to enjoy the game. In general, it is a good game. But the flaws right now are so huge, it is impossible to really enjoy it. Good to keep an eye on it for the future, but right now maybe better to focus on other games which are perfectly playable with enjoyment.
ive just shared the video on the turn 10 forum lets hope and pray they really do listen, and you are as always on point
100 % Agree. This game has the Potential to be the BEST Sim Racing, But everything you said is right on! It's so bad online, no need to even try to Qualify. We know the track layout so why waste your 10-15 minutes just to get knock out the race less than 30 seconds..
These changes are coming way too late , on my series X the game crashing has been a problem since launch and i’m not just talking about getting crashed in game by silly people . I’ve stuck to ac , acc and gt7 for 3 weeks now and my sim experience has been way better than the whole of forza . It’s a shame really…
I'm exactly the same, on series x, and even after the supposed update to stop crashes etc, it's still doing the exact same thing. I personally think if you do too much in one session, it's like the game can't handle it. And I know exactly when it's going to crash, the screen glitches/pauses... And I know it's going to crash. Even at the start of races when you can do fuel and tyres on the grid. I know it's going to crash. And the glitch at the start of races , the intermission bit, it's skips so you don't have time to do fuel and tyres. Lots to sort out.
Crashes on my Series X just after you've spent 15 mins practicing just before the race starts. Waste of time.
I definitely agree with that matchmaking. I'm at S 4999 and only 1 out of 10 lobbies have someone who's at the same pace or faster. There's a reason why we can't see other people's ratings, because it will show the game is not matching based on skill or safety ratings. Hell, we can't even see what level someone has their car at. Driver info simply does not load for others. Its to a point where I'm convinced most are bots with how bad they are.
Good vid!
One point I want to mention:
Lot's of my friends drive in the cockpit cam and still use controllers.
And yes:
Radar is must!
The biggest thing Forza's penalty system has done is make you appreciate that GT7's penalties actually work more often than they don't. They still have dumb penalties like pit line crossing and hitting the wall, but that's a separate issue. It's working as intended, which is much more than can be said of Forza.
As an xbox owner with a thrustmaster and not enough money to get a PC I feel trapped. I looked forward to this game for years and have been let down.
In my case I upgraded my PC, but looks like I should have bought a PS5 to play Gran Turismo 😒 Bought a new graphic card wishing you play this game, sometimes don't even start
@Gabriel-dj3kf I too wish I could play gt7. I hate that my thrustmaster wheel won't work on Playstation.
I’ve been sticking with it. I’ve recently got into “sim” racing again with this forza, even been racing with you on the streams but I’ve gone from easily playing for hours to having a couple of races and then getting off the game because of the issues you’ve mentioned. Matchmaking and a radar would turn this game into something amazing but atm it holds it back so so much and it’s even more noticeable when you jump into ACC.
I think all of your criticisms are spot-on. My two largest gripes about the racing itself come down to matchmaking and the penalty system.
The penalty system is a two edged sword. Without it you have dudes ramming you off the track, in fact with it people still ram you off the track. I have the same issues with Gran Turismos Penalty system.
I've stuck with it too, but the poor points DO need to be highlighted - especially by a creator your size. It's only fair to the community that paid quite a lot of money to see T10 make those improvements and I sincerely hope they deliver for their sake.
Great well-reasoned and fair video 👍
T10 lied saying this game was built from the ground up. I highly doubt they’ll fix a lot of the issues that plague the game.
I think fixing the matchmaking would solve a lot of gripes. I'd rather be in a half full lobby of S class 'clean' racers than a full one with rammers.
Well said, Rory.
It seems a couple of racing leagues have stopped events until Turn 10 fix things.
One of the things about the dirty driving is allowing tuning.
You mentioned how much faster a good tune can be. What you wind up with in races is some will have cars that are super fast in the straights and turn like sludge...dont stop very well...and some will have cars that turn REALLY well...but are slower out of the turns and down the straights.
When there is a drastic difference between tunes and driver experience....that leads to drivers wanting to get the slower car out of the way.
Bang on. Generally builds focused on grip and cornering speed get the best lap times, but you’ll be thrown in against cars with double the power on stock brakes and tyres and they’ll just use the other cars as brakes or essentially stop on the apex of a faster corner causing a pile up. I find the back of the grid will have rapid straight line performance and the front not so much and that means on T1 every car is in the same space at once.
T10 needs to watch your FM Stream from today and recognize what mood you were in in the end...
You don't want that playing a game... They need to make this their FIRST priority to make it fun again
The races in the stream today were absolutely brutal! I don’t blame him one bit either.
The online is so unfulfilling. Wish they gave us goals or challenges. Like halo infinite does with the battlepass. Simple thing that adds alot.
Exp:
-pass 3 cars in a single lap.
-draft an opponent.
-qualify in 5 races.
-finish a race with soft tires.
Give us points towards leveling up other cars. This would help with the carpg system.
The game won't die as these have been issues since the original games (apart from the penalty system). The thing is, it's on gamepass and the vast majority don't play the game in cockpit view or take it too seriously, same as all the other Forza's. That's probably why they thought they could get away without addressing these same issues the more serious racers have been calling out for donkey's years.
We just got to hope they finally hear the more serious racing community in Forza and finally fix the issues.
I don’t have the game myself, but considered it at launch. I wanted to wait a while to get the general reception and have an idea of how well the game would be supported post-launch. I still put a lot of hours into gt7 and think that’s going to continue for a long time to come.
Forza has the potential to be great. Big game studios need to start working hard and using their resources to make the best product possible. EA is the epitome of this.
There is a whole crew of former Forza E-Sports guys just chomping at the bit for proper matchmaking. It is effectively entirely random because it wants to get you in a lobby right away. Can you imagine the amount of people they would need to have playing concurrently for matchmaking to actually work when it fills up lobbies within a minute? Join an event 5 times in less than 2 minutes, 5 different lobbies, 4 brand new. Even with the smaller playerbase, there are plenty of players to create proper splits based on safety and skill over a 25-35 minute join period, if they are all taken into account. The current system has failed, so it's time for them to start looking at what has worked for others, IE IRacing, LFM, and Gran Turisimo. Agree with pretty much everything else you said, especially as a wheel player.
I do disagree a bit though on tuning. Believe it or not, tuning actually brings most of the spec ars closer together because the base tunes are so bad. But base car balance in spec series is all over the place and no where close. There is a reason everyone hates the Audi R8 in the GT lobbies. Also the most op cars have come from car pass and the race pack.
@Kaylos29 I appreciate your take on this, and I agree with your points. Tuning is not really a concern with the spec series-yours and others’ readily available tunes have kept me reasonably competitive. Out of curiosity. Did you catch Rory’s stream today that prompted this video? It was really brutal in regards to the ramming. It’s so strange because overall my experience has been much better lately in multiplayer.
I still remember how long Turn 10 dragged their heels to implement proper tire smoke and re-implement night time racing again.
I remember ACC having issues at first (at least on console), and from what I read, GT7 had also. While these issues do suck right now, I’m sure they’ll get better with time. Thank you for giving this game a chance unlike so many other people who wanted to bash it before it even got released, and thank you for being fair and constructive with your criticism.
You're correct ACC did have a few issues on the console, GT7 has it's issues as well that makes me want to step away but thankfully it's not as bad as Forza
tbh we need to stop calling every game that you can play with a wheel, a sim racing game ... because even the arcade machines would be sim racing too. It's not. Forza it's not a sim game, not even close to be a sim-cade game.
People hopes were too great, but don't forget about real sims like AMS2, ACC, AC, Lemans Ultimate (next month), etc ... those are the real deals out there, not a game that you can play better in your keyboard, than a wheel or even controller.
I stopped playing a while back because of the reasons your on about. I completely get it.
I’ve been a forza fan since the first one. I literally never even thought about our racing on another game until motorsports 7 was released. Once I played it I was disgusted and highly let down by the mighty T-10 studios and just the mess they actually let go out into the public. Like I truly can’t understand how they even did so bad. Never the less motorsports 7 made me uninstall forza completely an look into other games, I found ACC an was blown away how real the game is. So impressed I went an spent $3,000 on a sim setup an I gotta say it’s the most badass racing game I’ve ever played in my life. Unbelievable experience and just an over all amazing job they did making ACC super realistic and super fun.
still can't believe this game won best sport/racing game at the game awards
I still haven’t written the game off, but I haven’t played or purchased it, and I’m waiting on news of good updates being rolled out. Totally agree they should maybe stop with new content and just focus on bugs. Heck - radar, improvements to car leveling (individual leveling needs to go), matchmaking fixes, improvements to wheel settings/compatibility, and general bug/stability fixes would be super exciting news in and of itself without adding a single new car or track lol.
The saddest part about it all is the physics being the best in the series is getting overlooked because of all the other issues. If they had at least launched the game with all the content of 7 and have all features work as intended, we’d finally be able say fm4 is no longer peak Forza.
Idk. It feels extremely close to 7 with some tweaks. Wet weather, in particular, is just horrible.
The physics arent that great either its a minor improvement on forza 7 thats all you can say about it
physics are far from best. cars turn even when wheel is locked. movement of the suspension is also really weird.
Feels about the same as it ever has, maybe heavier? Thats about it but i havent had to change my driving style AT ALL and ive been playing since FM2
nah bro lets not get too excited here, even if forza 8 released with everything that forza 7 had, it still wouldnt be close to being as good a game as 4 was, forza 7 was still missing MANY features that made forza 4 the great game it was
100% agree with everything here. They should ban tunes in lobbies like Forza GT and Forza Turing Car for example
For me it's matchmaking, matchmaking, matchmaking, and then some matchmaking. It's an absolute joke. There are big problems with the penalty system, the lack of onboard virtual mirror, radar and some bugs, but if they develop an ACTUAL matchmaking system i think the game will be 100 times better because the races will be 100 times better. The fact there is absolute no way of knowing the license and rating of other players online says it all.
Spot on. They can’t have other people seeing it because it would expose T10’s lie!
Very well said Rory. Multiple bugs like the pit lane skip have been in there since launch and they still arent fixed. It extremely frustrating.
Hey bro! Good to see ya! 😂
@flyboystayfly7640 Hey man good to see you here 😃
Can't argue with this review. I can't remember the last time I had a race where I wasn't punted off. I'm 4200 s rating and it really makes me sad that someone with a even higher skill than me is having the same issues. It means no matter how good I get the racing won't get better. And I really love how good the steering feels in the game. I've just bought ACC to see whether that makes a difference.
For someone who is just entering the whole sim racing world it drives me crazy people crashing into you knocking you off the tracks and people not giving you space to get past them or breaking into a corner. I’m 39 and have always loved racing games and have just decided to get a Fanatec Wheel set but I cannot get used to tuning at all I just leave everything as it’s default it used to be so much better when you all have the same class cars and they couldn’t be tuned you just race and get to the end of the race get the best position bring back the better racing that’s my opinion
A very fair and constructive feedback video this mate. Other racers do many things right and this needs some work to align with those other racers to be a real big hitter in the online sphere. So long as people like you keep giving quality feedback - T10 have a chance I reckon, to get their sh** together. 👍
"Built from the ground up" 😅
There's a video where a guy intentionally got is rating super low and still ended up in lobbies with people over 4900...
The actual driving in the game is fantastic. It's everything else that's wrong mention in this video. Thankfully Turn10 sent out an update yesterday that outlines addressing all these shortcomings. If I'm being honest the game was not ready to ship, it's painfully obvious. It needed at least another 6 months in the oven. I'm sure it will be fixed with the first big update in March w/ the ring.. Love your videos btw.
The driving is nice but there is no way T10 spent 6 years on this game. If they did then they are just totally incompetent.
I think the availability of Forza on game pass has a lot to do with the poor standard of driving. People haven't paid specifically to enjoy this game and are there just to create chaos.
This wouldn't matter if the safety rating and skill ranking actually did anything with who you got matched up with. T10 knows it doesn't work and still can't figure out how to fix it.
Want to like it and play it but it consistently crashes for me after every 2-3 races. Very frustrating.
Definitely agree. The proximity system is useless. Also, the auto-ghosting is way worse than in GT7: I got a 4 second penalty the other day because a car in front of me spun, ghosted, then bounced (as a ghost) back onto the track, facing 90 degrees to the track direction. I had nowhere to go, but thought "It's OK, the car is ghosted." As it was until 0.1s before I got to it...
I'd replace the Forza days with the new LFM lineup on AC1! Theres some amazing racing to be had there, and there's even a dedicated mutliclass series there based on ISMA!
This is the most fun I've had on a racing game online without joining a league or something I don't understand how you're getting such bad lobbies, my lobbies over the last month have been great I hardly get any dirty drivers anymore in S lobbies with 4.9k safety rating.
Some of my issues are the race length on GT changing to short because I like having pit stops in GT so I'd prefer if it was 1 short race and then the next is medium instead of a week of 1 length and where's long races.
I would like a weather report or a weather radar because when it's a changeable race you don't know how hard the rain will be and if you need to change to wet tyres.
The career mode is too bare and I don't like how the featured series doesn't stay.
The penalty system is good imo yes it has it's weird issues but majority of the time it works like it should especially with track limits. (Edit, after a race I had today the penalty system can get in the bin)
It’s not an ‘S 4k’ lobby mate. Matchmaking does not take those ratings into account… it’s completely random!
@@leecolburn7849 Well whatever the matchmaking does mine is working
The penalty system that assigns you penalties for someone else running into you is good? And the majority of the time? I've received more penalties from someone else hitting me than I've ever gotten from hitting someone else.
@@GeekFurious Yeah I've had that happen to me but it's not always like that and it'll get better over the life cycle
@@mrc0a124 it’s not. You’re in a lobby with A’s, B’s, C’s, D’s and E’s - you just don’t know it because you can’t see.
the biggest issue is the frame rate.T10 says its 60fps for everyone sadly not FPS depends on your screen GHZ. So if its 120=60fps 240=120fps. And it gives competitive advantage
Agree with everything you have mentioned. A few things to add:
1. Forza not only does not save replays but destroys files and then overwrites single-player replays
2. Crusher of the game. Every 4th or 5th race, after 25 minutes of practice and qualification game crashes. I only could say that at this moment I easily can say “Forza is 1 out of 10 game”.
3. User feedback is a nightmare! If you want to leave feedback you should go through hell of an ancient forum. “Check all previous topics on the forum, and tell us what was the weather in your grandma’s city when the bug happened,” they say. Cmon, I don’t want to spend 20 min to report a bug answering questions, answers for which you should have automatically.
I've taken a break from MP in Forza. I want to enjoy playing it but the game crashes so often! It's normally in the menus which is mindboggling
On top of all that, there is ZERO in terms of a career tracker, stats, or anything like that. It feels so barebones and casual.
"This studio is not a small studio" and it's backed by one of the largest publishers. This WHOLE game shouldn't exist in the way that it is. Turn 10 went from a top tier simcade studio to... this? What the hell happened!??!?
don't think I've ever made T1 :( and my favourite saying of yours is we go where the good racing is and sadly there is literally barely any racing in Forza at the moment because you just find yourself in the Barrier :(
No BOP, No adjusting fuel maps or brake balance on the fly, no adjusting hell anything on the fly. Everything is done pre race. I ask you what the hell is the purpose of having fuel consumption if you can just set exactly the amount of fuel you have before each race? It makes no sense and takes all of the strategy out of the game.
GT7 and others really get it right. The MFD in GT7 is a god send. It’s so intuitive and easy to use and understand
I don’t hear anyone talking about the absolute destruction of the social aspect.
I had a core group of racing friends who were are on every night for years. We know each other intimately. I even met up with one when we were racing irl in their area.
The fact that the lobby is gone after one race means that no one is meeting anyone any longer. There is no talking in the races.
And as far as our group, we might get one race in a span of an hour and a half because everyone has to join the lobby at the same time. If one drops a connection or game crashes (which happens too often), everyone has to back out and reenter.
They destroyed the fabric of the games’ society.
Im late on the topic, but to me and especially with Forza Motorsport i can put it very simple: Forza wants to be GranTurismo and tries to dress accordingly, but in reality its just Grid with a bigger studio behind it.
I love the handling on Forza, always have but the MP went down hill after they went to hoppers imo, the hosted games we used to play back in the day (there was a group of us) were awesome and even if you jumped from one random host to another it was rare to get a bad host, most would keep everyone in check.
Overall I'll still keep playing but won't be putting anywear near the time I used to back in the day........ Unless they make some drastic improvements.
Edit: heck I would love a standard leaderboard for all my cars times (, and friends), I want to know my fastest cars/builds on all the tracks.
Great content. I tend to do mostly career and multiplayer with friends rather than online with randoms. I have done some online on my own and my experience has not been terrible but again not played the amount you clearly have. One thing I wish they would do more of for those looking for the race experience is no tune fixed lobbies. So everyone is in the same car no tunes or fixed tune and then it all comes down to driving. This with rotating cars and tracks is how I do it in closed lobbies with friends. This keeps the racing close and focused.
Matchmaking is my biggest issue. I’m S/4980+, how can I be in lobbies with people 4-5 seconds slower who will smash you off track?
The racing can be incredible, but it’s so rare. I generally have the most fun not qualifying and starting from the back. But even then, you just know you’ll encounter some idiots that will punt you first chance they get (but you’ll receive a penalty for it). Best thing you can do is find a big group of like-minded decent drivers to enter lobbies with. But it shouldn’t have to come to that.
For me the worse things in this game are handling and penalty.
Today with the same car with the same setup and same track and whether the handling was 🤮🤮🤮, I don't understand 😢😢
I couldn't agree more with, I've kinda stopped playing Multiplayer myself. However I'm sure Turn 10 released a statement addressing some of these issues like FRR and what there plan was moving forward
It’s a similar situation with COD games, dead in the water but the community still continues to buy everything they throw at us. Until the community keeps their wallets closed nothing will change. Also Forza has never been a sim and buying it hoping for that experience is stupid. The lines of “sim racing” is so blurred now that people seem to forget it never was, has been or will be a simulation game.
Great work Rory as always 💙
After doing GT7 i just can't get into Forza again. Community isn't there, no streamers, less professional, and less fun. I just have fun and feel rewarded when i play GT7.
I'm a super casual at racing games and I was shocked when I found out they have neither splitscreen nor AI-Opponents for private multiplayer :/
It sucks that Wreckfest was already taken...because that's the perfect name for what this game actually is.
Couldn’t agree more played it since day one but found my self not playing it in the last few weeks for these exact reasons hope they get it sorted
You're right on point here. I was playing this game non-stop when it first came out, but as time when on I became so frustrated with this game that I stopped playing
In regards to radar - if they want the arrows theyve always had, why not have a radar vs not setting? I remember at one point fifa brought out new (better) controls quite a few years ago but they knew long time players would prefer "classic" controls... and they allowed that.
Yup. your on point. radar, penalty, and actually group people with the same rating together, not this first come first serve situation. when its good racing, its awesome. but there's so little of that lately.
Have you heard of the conspiracy currently doing the rounds that the first trailer that they showed was not a pre-rendered trailer and the actual game that they were working on? Apparently it really was 'built from the ground up', but it got scrapped late on for unknown reasons, and T10 only had a year or so to throw together and release what we have now with the existing ForzaTech engine.
Just came across Hoki’s video saying exactly this! Seems like management at Turn10 really lost their way spending efforts and resources trying to impart an impression of greatness instead of creating a great experience. Great suggestions, trying to be different in aspects of importance like radar, is completely misguided. Hope they catch this before it reaches rock bottom.
I only still play it because of FOMO… and get the cars that who knows when they will re-appear again? For the moment I only set the AI to the lowest difficulty to rush through the singleplayer races, get the monthly cars and go back to FH5, ACC and GT7. I’ll continue checking out the game at all new updates, but I genuinely have no fun with it at the moment. Let’s see if Turn10 can turn that around in the near future. Fingers crossed.
Also I hope they had two extra decimals places on the time gap interval. We also need a delta.
Not just all of what you mentioned but on my game the dang track keeps disappearing no matter what settings I run or anything!!! I’ve tried everything including reinstalling the game
All facts, thank you for giving it more exposure. Also, I might be tripping but I think they fixed the bumping/glueing thing between cars in one of the FM7 updates, only for it to be back in the new game. I've had this on my mind since day 1 but I didn't see anyone else bringing it up.
Wow! I remember when you only had 10K subscribers and now you are over 100K!!!! Congrats Rory!
Not just the issues you just mentioned
There is a big issue where the most grip cars are sliding!!! Even the Cadillac in the video it’s not making sense that the most stable car in the world is sliding
Yes I was thinking this too. There doesn't seem to ever be the feeling that the car is hooked up. After a while you can get around fast but that hooked up feeling is just never there
I agree with your opinion of the game. I don't understand how you can let someone tune a car to where the tires smoke the whole race. I literally get stuck behind them almost every race.
Breaks my heart, personal gripes
- First of all, they've gone backwards with these games from previous titles, in all areas
- Physics (I'm not even a hardcore sim racer) Forza was the perfect balance of realism/arcade imo
- Car list
- Track list
Turismo
After months, I finally don't crash on the pit screen. I also now don't have god awful stutter when completing a race and crossing the checkered flag. There's still no consistency with track penalties. Seems like a role of the die. "Built from the ground up" was the biggest thing that doomed the game.
Car progression to me is a HUGE issue. Makes me not want to play. The grinding needed is absolutely miserable. I dont understand how they thiught that was a good idea.
I play iracing and ACC on pc with my wheel and treat them as sims.From day 1 I have played forza with a controller and treat it far more “meh” than the other games.I have reached 4994 skill with an S rating and agree matchmaking isn’t there.They need to introduce fixed setup series but I don’t know what can be done about the penalty system and dealing with the unfriendly drivers.I want it to get better and closer to the real sims which would inspire me to use my wheel but expect to just carry on treating it as almost an arcade racer!
I’m new to your channel and fully respect your clean racing and your extreme patience and chill in certain situations.
I don't understand why they bothered switching to having races scheduled at fixed times, since they immediately throw you in a practice lobby with the people you will be racing against.
The whole point of fixed time races in other racing games is so that everyone registers in advance, and they can then create splits with proper matchmaking. You can't do that if you assign race lobbies to everyone as they come in, and it feels like their matchmaking claims are outright lies.
The worst part about this game is. I want to jump any race with everyone using the same car and that’s not even possible here. I don’t want to need to know how to tune a car so I can compete with other people online.
Put me in an Audi R8 with the same specs as everyone else and let me race.
I can’t believe that the developers didn’t even think that this is an option that people want
I bought this for my 6 yr old (nearly 7 ) son. He loves the game for crashing and bashing into racers. I keep telling him that its not the way. But he is only 6. Im sure he will grow out of it soon playing it online with his friends from school.
I only play proper RACING sims on PC. Seems this ARCADE racing classic for children needs some love. I dont think the makers will be to bothered. Arcade racers like this are all about sales. If people stopped pre ordering games. Maybe that would send a message to the makers. Instead of giving the game a Thumbs up before its released 🤣🤣👍
I want to enjoy it, but that has been impossible so far. I
I'm basically down go about an hour playtime a week to get the career car prize, but then there's nothing left to do afterwards.
Also MFD and a proper tire system like street=hard/medium/softs. sport=hard /medium/soft. Race=hard/medium/soft and add more pit time