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Gt fanboy being absolutely biased towards gt7 for all the right reasons 🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@danielstokker to be fair is it fanboying if the competition kinda sucks
@@danielstokkerForza Motorsport Is just not a good Next-Gen Racing Sim. So don't be pissed. To be fair the Xbox Series X version is working much much better than the PC version. But even then the content and the base game is the same. So the game still can't beat GT even if the Xbox version works fine without issues.
@@danielstokker delusional forza fanboy being delusional as always.
cope harder forza is dog shit🤣🤣
Pretty much click bait trash, for real comparisons we have Digital Foundary thankfully
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0:49 Presentation
4:22 Content
8:16 Graphics
12:00 Performance
13:16 Driving Physics
16:42 Force Feedback Handling
18:18 Rain Handling and Weather Systems
20:10 AI
22:41 Multiplayer
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I appreciate that, man.😊
Just watch the video
The VR version of gran turismo is the game changer for me. As someone who doesnt get a chance to be around these beautiful cars, the chance to walk around a mclaren f1, or to sit in it made me tear up.
My childhood dream car was a Lamborghini Countach, VR is the only way I will ever sit in one.
VR is great full stop. I don't play GT7 but do VR racing on PC and it's great fun.
If you have a PS5 VR is the best way and cheapest way in.
Absolutely!
Racing as a storm rolls in and it starts to get dark truly feels next gen.
@@ricepony33someday I’ll feel this. AC in VR maybe? I have a rift 2, Xbox, PS4, and PC
It feels like polyphony actually have a passion for cars and want to show off that passion through the game. Turn 10 seem to have no passion at all. How can you approve and be proud of 15 year old 3d car models...
Yeag. That damn Silvia model is from first Forza, from 2005
that´s the main issue im having with forza.
The thing is, they could have been completely transparent and the long time fans would have been okay, but instead of that they lied.
Why do you people keep. Lying about gran turismo it can't touch forza the cars are stiff it's like scalectric graphics physics and car sounds forza wins they've been winning since 2005 gran turismo had it but forza changed car games forever plus engine swaps nfs gran turismo the crew all copied off Forza it's a fact for them or any other game to beat forza they've got alot of work a hell of a lot plus forza you can make money easy gt7 how does a rx7 cost 300 000 credits and forza always adds content where getting our first piece of content next week cars galore
I wouldn't be surprised if it was Sony who forced Polyphony to add the microtransactions.
In terms of graphics. I think it speaks volumes that I still visiting GT7s photo mode on a daily basis to make pictures and I bought the game at launch.
I fooled a few people with fotomode they believed it was real
I guarantee forza looks better on my pc than gt on ps5 😂
Me too
@@chaosclgyeah yeah... Blue screens gonna look good
@@killkiss_son my pc has never blue screened once on anything speak for yourself, clear jealousy 😂
We went from, "This game just released so it's superior to the older game, and that might make it an unfair comparison but.."
to, "This game just released so it may not be polished like the older game, and have as many updates as the older games, so you might think this is an unfair comparison"
Good lord
I don't know why he said Forza deserves time to grow because it's new. It doesn't deserve that time. It was in development for a long time. Microsoft charged a lot for it. It has been decontented to be sold back in parts. You can't deliver less than prior games and call it the greatest version ever. There are too many other options.
This is exactly why live service has been a bane on gaming and we shouldn't be called boomers to point this practice out- it allows devs to laze and cut out corners in the development process in order to just add them later to make us pretend the game is actually good now. And its not like Gran Turismo 7 is at all immune from it- just take a look back to how terrible its launch state was. But most of us have forgotten about that thanks to the patches and give Polyphony and Kaz a free pass for it.
@eugenehavens exactly, 6 years of development and the game us still unfinished. That's actually crazy
@@eugenehavenswhy not? It *should* deserve time to grow because GT7 did
@@fifteen8850 Only a Microsoft executive would say this. No Forza player thinks like this. The franchise worked great. Because of live service greed, they serve us a half-baked sequel with a bunch of stuff missing. Except the bugs. Those were carried over. The game is an insult to everyone but the most diehard Xbots.
Biggest advantage for gran turismo is the support for vr where all those beautifully crafted cockpits are shown off in a proper way. Also kinda insane that gt7 looks that much better the FM even thought its running on a machine which costs like a thrid of that pc.
After gt6 the entire game went threw a big rebuild they made everything new the car models interiours tracks everything before this forza won in the graphics department so forza pushed GT devs to do better and they actually delivered the detail on cars is so unbelievbly high really tiny details are all there an example is in real life there is a small tube between your carwindows to let air in and out it is really smal and only in gran turismo the tube is actually there and inbetween the glass
Yeah, Forza is horribly optimized for PC. It’s a shitload better on consoles right now
I agree. I upgraded to PC around 6 years ago specifically to race in VR. I never looked back until I saw what they were able to do with PSVR2 and GT. Now I wish I could justify spending the money to buy a PS5 and PSVR2, but if I hadn't just bought a new PC, I'd be all over it. I really wish they'd release GT7 on PC and solve the problem for me.
What makes it even more interesting,keep in mind that with psvr2 support it's also crossgen meaning it had to be made also to run on ps4 aswell as ps5,imagine what it would look like if they only had to develop for ps5,spiderman 2 being a prime example what that means leaving last gen behind,the devs can go nuts in any possible way you can imagine!!
@@rjo78
Lol what?!!
PSVR2 *is not* cross gen. It's PS5 only.
Ooft
As a GT fan I was hoping Forza could innovate on the simcade market, because competition improves everyone
I love Forza as a series. Played the heck out of 3 and 4. I wish the updates will improve FM.
I remember when I first played forza Motorsport 3 on my 360. I thought it was so nice at the time it was actually fun to play.
Agree I just want the best games Success breeds success my man or it should do
What you say s true forza pushed gt to do better in graphics and models and look were they are now .. best looking cargame on console if not on the entire market dont know of any other games looking this good
Played both games since the first iteration, was probably more a fan of Forza around FM3/FM4 but the latest release is just terrible imo, they've lost the plot with the CarXP stuff.
I respect Forza Motorsport and all, but when my friends and I have a weekend without the wives and kids, we still pick up the PSVR2 and the logitech G29, and do time attacks in GT7 one after the other and try to beat the actual best time (ghost) of the group.
It is a new way for us to enjoy time spent together, and the cheering and seeing what our friend is doing in VR on the social screen is a damn treat for car guy friends like us.
Also, it is cheaper than karting, which we used to do before GT7 VR, and we can drink while doing it, making the experience a whooole lot more hilarious. :D
I do something similar with a friend, only we don't have VR, but for that we also sometimes race in split screen. I remember once I gave him an old car with double the power, but serial suspension. I myself took something much slower. He was happy when at the start he overtook me with no problem, but at the first turn he started to roof, because the too soft suspension could not deal with the power :D I recommend you check out the Abarth 595 with a Honda engine, better tires, but stock suspension :D
Lol GT7 on a wheel with some beer and shots is one of my all time favorite things to do now.
Terrible, but I crush my sober times when I have a good buzz 🤣
GTS and FM7 got released in the same week in 2017, so the time taken to develop the latest version of GT7 is same as time taken to develop the latest version of FM......in that sense, I am surprised just how underbaked FM 2023 really is
Forza Motorsport isn’t their cash cow, Forza Horizon is. They developed two Forza Horizons since then, they did not start developing this new Forza Motorsport in 2017, more likely 2 or 3 years ago with limited staff and then throwing more people on it after FH5 was released
@drchtct FH is developed by PGG, FM is developed by T10....T10 only works on car models and physics engine that gets shared between the two games but that's something they would have to work on for FM either way....so no, FM2023 started developing as soon as FM7 got released
@@vyasrushi5177 you miss the part of budget. Again, Forza Horizon is the cashcow, focus is on that one. For Sony, they put huge money in GT7 because it’s supposed to sell PS5s
Turn 10 was building the new game engine for Microsoft, ForzaTech. Motorsport was supposed to be the tech demo of the new engine.. and it kind of is, like half way.
This is the new game engine for most games in development under Microsoft and took priority over Motorsport (obviously, the game engine has to work correctly). To the extent that they had to hire over 100 new people to help get it 'finished' on time.
The next big release using ForzaTech is Fable, probably their biggest cash cow in the lineup. Between development on the new engine and Fable, Motorsport was put on the back burner. What was originally planned as a total ground up build turned into ground up framework filled with like 25% new content and recycled the rest to flesh out the game for release.
It's not because the game devs don't care, or they aren't car enthusiasts.. it's simply money politics and studios that are owned by companies that only see dollars and have zero interest in the gaming community. This is the state of 99% of AAA games currently thanks to big corp.
@jwallace2913 considering how bad it looks compared to GT sports engine that was developed for PS4....It should get nominated for one of the worst game engine ever built
6:11 keep in mind that a significant number of cars from forza's car list are recycled from older games and have completely innacurate 3d models that literally date back to 2006, where gran turismo completely started over with sport so all of the cars could be up to the same level of quality
Yes, I feel like that should've been mentioned. Those car models have been criticised for so many FH and FM entries and T10 just doesn't care. The cars like Golf R32 would be embarassing in 2014, how much more in 2023.
They literally dont though they were all redone and thats why there are so many cars missing you have no idea what youre talking about
@@chaosclg mans really bought the _"built from the ground up"_ lies. The cars may have been retextured in each installment, but Forza rarely (if ever) update and remodel them; hell, they only remodeled *one* car (Subaru Impreza 22B) in this latest installment.
Cars are missing because it's their usual "cut cars only to reintroduce them later in an update/DLC as a pretense of growth" practice that they've been doing for a decade now.
@@chaosclg we can litterly see the models bro quit kidding yourself its sub par quality for a game of this generation
@@chaosclg no, * you * have no idea what your talking about. Its been well documented that tons of models in forza have had inaccuracies for multiple games in a row that dont get fixed, they just turn up the polygon count to make the model look smoother when they should really remake it because its literally from forza motorsport 2
"built from the ground up".
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It’s something we will never let go because they said that with so much confidence they never prove they did it
The thing that got me was "The most technically advanced racing game ever"😂
Gt7 is technically more advanced in every way. So is ACC, Iracing and others in that genre. What were Turn10 talking about? I really thought Forza8 was going to be amazing and i deleted it after 1hour of gameplay. A week later i thought maybe i was being to harsh and re-downloaded it. Guess what i did 1 hour later.
@@Gix321 that's exactly the same thing I did. I'm not playing a game that crashes way too many times. I've seen enough, I've felt the physics. I've heard the sounds. Unremarkable in every way.
Forza is actually better imo I play every racing game. and I actually like the build not bought part of forza. The fact that you can feel a real difference from a stock car to a built one is huge. the starter cars feel really bad on purpose but once u get into actual race cars it feels 10 times better than gt7. I love both games but GT7 on snow feels like ice skating kinda like their dirt racing. Also I feel like in gt7 you drift turns a lot to make speed. Only complaint I have with froza is the ai other than that the online racing is 100000000 times better than GT7. raced hundreds of races and rarely have I been punted on turn one... can't say the same on gt7 racing. Idc about xbox or PS I just care about good driving and forza feels better to me. its just as fun as Iracing or ACC imo.
@@leiferikson7052 fun factor is always king for games. For me it's hard to have fun when a game feels like a chore which both games do to a certain extent and if the game isn't stable.
I play FM on PC. It crashes too much for me to even bother playing and the progression system is similar to Project CARS 3 and I vastly prefer PCARS 3 for it's single player part especially with it's weather, FPV, sounds, AI that doesn't try to kill you and physics (this is a preference). Multiplayer on PCARS 3 is dead, didn't try it.
Forza can look good, but it's not consistent, stability is an issue on PC, ray tracing isn't real for the most part and some cars are missing even though they clearly reused models so why not reuse all of it (DLC probably). So it needs alot of marinating before I give it another go.
About the ray tracing part. It looks worse with it on, it lowers FPS and it still uses Screen space reflections. So it's essentially useless. Needs fixing.
I am shocked how much better Gran Turismo looks visually.
FM is better visually but not physically
How is it better visually though. My eyes don't see anywhere close to that representation, neither do any of my cameras.
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yea i wonder which one looks better🤔🤔
@@randomcallsign it uses actual colors. cant say the same for fm7
@randomcallsign I think it’s two things, the raytraced photo mode/menus and the paint simulation. GT’s paint simulation seems to be leagues above Forza’s.
This was my first VR game, and I can say as a kid obsessing over the r34 Gtr, buying every hot wheels version, diecast, and game it was ever in; being able to walk around it in life size scale and sit in it in VR fr made me tear up. Forza could never.
The Forza interiors literally look like a Hot Wheels car, so maybe it would trigger some extra nostalgia for you!
Lmaoo
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@@andys7300dang
You will always get Forza fan boys that will hate on Gran Turismo and Gran Turismo fan boys that will hate on Forza and most of them probably haven't even played both 😆
I have GT7 and I love it apart from the lack of race cars in the updates but I can't say anything about Forza cuz I have never played it. If I could afford it I would have both.
The race cars until Update 1.39 seemingly gone thinner.
The reason we get such small amount of cars is because the amount of detail PD puts in the cars each car takes about 3 months to make
@@ncpyro2464 yeah I know that but I would much rather they put those 3 months into a race car instead of horrible VGTs. Also most of them were just copy and paste from GT Sport so they didn't need 3 months to do the fine detail of an upgrade, they would have had most of it done already.
@@VodkaRob that I understand I'm not a huge fan of the vgts
@12:40 GT7 has 4 picture modes actually. Digital Foundry did a video on the 120hz patch changes. 2 are hidden and are only if ur display supports VRR and then u can do 4k @90-100fps, then theres the 1440p 120fps locked. U have to enable VRR in ur PS5 settings and it automatically changes how the 2 settings in the game perform, when u have 120fps enabled in game. Basically if u have VRR u get significantly better peformance, its giving way more fps for no cost to graphics. They fixed drifting in GT7, its close to real life and assetto corsa now, idk in which update this happened havent been playing alot untill this update.
Is 1500p for 4k only or 1440p monitors
@@AKK5I1500p is if u want 120fps locked with no drop in fps. So doesnt matter if u have 4k or 1440p. If u have 1440p u might aswell have it in 120fps locked with vrr. The other VRR mode is 4k with some drop below 120fps.
@@Sideways_Singh oh thanks for clarifying. I play GT7 on a 120fps 1440p monitor but it's interesting to see how it handles 4k 120fps.
@@AKK5Iya Digital Foundry did a video on the 120hz patch its actually 1440p with VRR frame rate 120 mode. N the 4k is VRR 120 resolution mkde is around 90-100fps.
@@Sideways_Singh some scenes are clearly on upscale though. I find the graphics on 4k60 resolution a little bit better looking than 4k120 vrr on. Im using a tv that could do 120hz, vrr in 4k. Atleast thats what I've observed.
When I look into GT7 it looks you are looking through a camera, so beautiful
Especially when it comes to rain(no)
Trash
@@user-nd4md3lq8sand also racing at midnight with Super GT500 car.
Forza has beautiful graphics but not realistic graphics (cars have no hella bright reflection)
1440p at 120 FPS VRR on GT is pretty smooth.
I have nothing but props to what Gran Turismo has been doing with this game, and I agree that Forza is very barebones and also in need of a lot of changes. I will say however, the multiplayer has kept me hooked for reasons unknown. The Forza GT series has been completely addicting and I've had a lot of great races with, shockingly, no dirty drivers.
Don't do multiplayer, however fm has changed that, I've only spent a hour or so on career which says it all 4:22
I love both games equally. There are things about both that piss me off. Just today I got a reward in GT7 that ALLOWS me to BUY the car! Like really?!? I don’t get the car, but now I’m allowed to spend 1000000 credits to buy it. That just pisses me off 😂. The amount that cars cost is inexcusable. I have a full time job and school and other hobbies. I adore the new master licenses though. Chef’s kiss
I really hoped motorsports would bring something..."more" to the table, but I'm not sure they did, hard to see in the undercooked state of it, which is a real shame.
GT7 seems to be polished all around, not perfect of course, but does well enough to appreciate the details.
GT7 needed some time to get to that level, here's hoping forza will get better with time too.
GT7 is a masterpiece created by artists who are true car guys that absolutely put their full effort forward in every aspect of the game, while FM was created by blue hair hippies who couldn’t care less. I’m a Forza fan by the way.
why you will play Forza when you got GT7?
This is the reason for my great hope in Motorsport: GT7 was far from perfect when it came out, but it got progressively better and better. Motorsport is even undercoocked then that at its born, but I think it could become good with time, but they have to be fast: and if I have to be honest, the online racing is actually way better then FM7, because they looked at GT sport and GT7 and learned something. I'm giving them a chance.
@@RandomCommenter-qu2oclol sure
@@RandomCommenter-qu2ocGT7 is a masterpiece? That's pretty biased and not true, the menu system is stupid for one, using reallife prices for used cars is also dumb. The game has a ton of expensive cars that are essentially useless and can't be used in any events. There's times you need to buy certain cars to complete a menu but oh wait, the used cars dealership only refresh once per day instead of after an event like previous GT games. That's nowhere near a masterpiece. Oh and there's the AI, super rubber bandy, every race you have a few laps to pass the entire field. The AI drives slow if you're behind them and really speeds things up when you're in front. You should be ashamed of yourself for thinking this is a masterpiece.
I remember in older GT games you could either start by getting your license(s), get some cars that way, or buy a starting car and do no license/B license events (pending which game) and have some kind of freedom in what you want to do. GT7: here is your choice of 3 starter cars. OK now that you got one go collect the other 2 to fill up this menu.
Give me a break calling GT7 a masterpiece. 5 was peak GT
My only gripe is GT is I would like to see previous content return such as the Lotus brand and some of the tracks such as Seattle, New York and Soul.
Game developers lose/ might be too expensive to get licensing deals with car manufacturers.
@@O1KanobyAnd especially the fact that Geely is a Chinese company that owns Lotus and Volvo, I don't think they may get to do that due to PD being a Japanese company... as the history between Japan and China are well best put "Not on good terms".
Lotus kept raising the price of their deal so.. yknow thats why they werent in sport after launch and now gt7
Gran turismo is trying things, but those tries sometimes fail (cafe menus, roulette tickets, vision gt)
Forza doesn’t try nearly as much, i literally don’t know the difference between fm5 and fm7 beyond amount of content, but that also means they stumble bit less, but when they do it’s pretty bad (fm5, car xp having to be scaled way back after few weeks)
There should be a third contender in the Simcade market tbh, that can combine the good aspects from both Forza and GT without suffering from inconsistencies that both franchises have known for
@@fikridroidSeriously. Imagine a game with GT’s level of driving physics, graphics and presentation, tuning, attention to detail, and realism, combined with Forza’s car list and variety, and combined with need for speed’s level of customization and exploration. It would be incredible to have a semi-open world car game where you could still enter races at real life tracks, but also hang out with your friends on the streets. Sounds like a car guy’s dream lol
Those things worked great
@@garnetcobragamingI want Gts visual with Forzas physics, I hate the damage physics on GT it feels like bumper cars when the cars touch.
absolutely loved the nostalgic old forza and GT music you were playing in the background, really nice touch that might go unnoticed... I have been trying to decide between these two as my main sim and this really helped! great vid.
Nice video and I love the fact that you incorporated Forza 3 background music. A nice little hint of better times 👍
Glad you liked it!
Gran Turismo will forever be the best
Ayumu Uehara and Shioriko Mifune (longtime Gran Turismo fan) also approve that GT Series is forever the best.
LOL. Forza much better. GT7 bad KI, no damage system.... Forza has much better FBB Effects too and realsitic car physics.
@@indieman6868forza is boring asf
@Flintandsteel_6 Hahaha GT is boring.
@@felixfungle-bung4688 no gt is not boring, played it for 55 hours and I am still excited, played forza for 3 hours with my friend, boring, it’s cool technologically, but very boring
I like the little things like the hopeless factory clutch compared to much faster capability after upgrades. I imagine some people probably think it's a glitch that you have to shift like your driving an 88 Yugo until you upgrade the full assembly
also GT7 has VR which elevates it to a different level entirely
As a forza fan, i 'm taking this L like a man, GT7 looks so great😭😭
Don't take the L. Demand more from turn10 so it turns into a mid and then a W. There's a good game in there.
Forza is actually better imo I play every racing game. and I actually like the build not bought part of forza. The fact that you can feel a real difference from a stock car to a built one is huge. the starter cars feel really bad on purpose but once u get into actual race cars it feels 10 times better than gt7. I love both games but GT7 on snow feels like ice skating kinda like their dirt racing. Also I feel like in gt7 you drift turns a lot to make speed. Only complaint I have with froza is the ai other than that the online racing is 100000000 times better than GT7. raced hundreds of races and rarely have I been punted on turn one... can't say the same on gt7 racing. Idc about xbox or PS I just care about good driving and forza feels better to me. its just as fun as Iracing or ACC imo.
@@randomcallsign This! I have hopes that in a year or 2 this game is gonna be great amd we all forget this dumpster fire of a launch.. 😂
GT7 just cemented its place with the latest update. Even at launch GT7 didn't have the bugs and issues that Forza has. GT7 had big economy issues but zero bugs and polished.
and what gets me is the industry standard is to spend 10 dollars extra for an unfinished game- when 10 years earlier that idea would be laughed out the door
@@ihaveunevennostrils9455 why spend 10$ extra just try on gamepass
Forza is actually better imo I play every racing game. and I actually like the build not bought part of forza. The fact that you can feel a real difference from a stock car to a built one is huge. the starter cars feel really bad on purpose but once u get into actual race cars it feels 10 times better than gt7. I love both games but GT7 on snow feels like ice skating kinda like their dirt racing. Also I feel like in gt7 you drift turns a lot to make speed. Only complaint I have with froza is the ai other than that the online racing is 100000000 times better than GT7. raced hundreds of races and rarely have I been punted on turn one... can't say the same on gt7 racing. Idc about xbox or PS I just care about good driving and forza feels better to me. its just as fun as Iracing or ACC imo.
It’s economy issue used to be much bigger, now I think GT7 is in a good position
@@heptaverse4570 they did just readjust the payout though for the races, which isn't TOO bad but its still noteworthy i make like a fraction of what i used to make off of championships
We need gt7 on pc with triple screen support.
Nop
Although i have GT7 on PS5 with PSVR2 i would love to have this game on PC also.
This is one of the few PS titles i doubt we will ever see on PC, hope im wrong.
No, we don't
No, we want Bloodborne on PC
@@dasist9573 Started sim racing on a Fanatec DDPro + GT7 and since moved to a simucube 2 + pc based rig. Usually playing AC & Rfactor 2 but there is not a single offering that can bring this fine line of simcade experience that brings GT7. Tried Forza Motorsport but the driving dynamics & polish are just so far from Gran Turismo.
GT7 all the way
Great breakdown of the physics of each game, RC 👍🏽
Speaking of AWD systems since you mentioned it on 14:40 and it bothered me:
Subaru (as well as GT-Rs) uses a longitudinally mounted engines for their AWD's.
LanEvos, GR-Yaris, small Volkswagen Group cars etc. use transverse front mounted engine AWD's
Large Audis use a longitudinally mounted engines mounted to a front transaxle. Basically Porsche 911 backwards.
Transversely mounted mid-engine AWD is very rare, Peugeot 205 T16 had one, all currently made mid-engine AWD's use longitudinal setup.
I'm glad I'm not the only one that comment bothered
Thank you
I have been delightfully surprised at the GR3 and 4 cars in GT7.
Apparently these are the cars the physics model was based on.
The higher downloaded cars of Group 3 are quite sensitive to ride height and suspension setup.
If the height is too low and suspension too soft, the underbody aero effect is destroyed and grip dissappears quickly. Raise the height too much and stiffen the suspension too much and it's the same result in the opposite direction. Aero effect either isn't there, or is weird on straights, and dissappears under braking and turn in.
Ir provides a very in depth challenge for the tuning forks of racing enthusiasm.
But simply having cars that have both grip, and speed, at the same time. Very nice, and realistic.
Unlike Project Cars, where it's one or the other, never both.
I got into GT when it came out and my friends and I were as serious as you could get with the customization and races as you can get. Gran Turismo is the ultimate driving simulator to me
Gt feels premium and it has it's own identity unlike Forza it feels like a normal racing games
"Premium". Always have to laugh at such a fantasy. Brand fanboys also use it. Its a meaningless word.
@@vennemans9113Besides nitpicking a word, how would you have rather someone describe it?
@@MLPaz More finished. More complete. Better feeling.
Anything else?
Premium is a made word to sell products to those sensitive for it.
100% disagree.
Forza is actually better imo I play every racing game. and I actually like the build not bought part of forza. The fact that you can feel a real difference from a stock car to a built one is huge. the starter cars feel really bad on purpose but once u get into actual race cars it feels 10 times better than gt7. I love both games but GT7 on snow feels like ice skating kinda like their dirt racing. Also I feel like in gt7 you drift turns a lot to make speed. Only complaint I have with froza is the ai other than that the online racing is 100000000 times better than GT7. raced hundreds of races and rarely have I been punted on turn one... can't say the same on gt7 racing. Idc about xbox or PS I just care about good driving and forza feels better to me. its just as fun as Iracing or ACC imo.
Forza's biggest accomplishment is being compared to GT
This is beautiful
I love GT7 because of its approach with car enthusiasm, general passion for cars and its overall style, I never played a forza motorsport game but it never gave off that feeling, my friend played FM8 for a week and ended up quitting because he found it so boring.
Forza motorsport 5 had a career mode focused on the history of Cars, passion, etc..., I think It was even the most serious Forza motorsport at all, but it wasn't as well received due tô its problems and lack of content at launch
microsoft games are boring
If you want good forza game play FH1 & FM4 thats the only good forza games
"I've never played a forza game" So you have absolutely zero knowledge and insight as to why GT is better?
@@allmotorfg2437 have you played GT7?
great review of the two games. I would like to make one technical correction, Subaru's are not transverse awd they are longitudinal awd and they still push. It is more a product of how they vector TQ then the physical layout.
A detail on GT7's standard driver ai, It can actually be rather competent if given the chance to shine (see: Clubman Cup Plus), and makes for really fun racing.
It's a problem of game design - The ai are artificially limited for most of the singleplayer campaign.
Turn10 needs new head stuff asap, they failed to deliver 4 times now. MS needs to change head stuff like they did in Playground Games and 343 Industries where both of studios main games redeemed and turned much better with new leaders. It is shame that for 2 generations (as of now, don't know if another motorsport title would come out for series console) getting absolutely beaten by PD and Sony.
New Forza Motorsport is a slap to the face for racing fans and people who loves cars.
As a PC player I am sad that we don't have proper simcade track racing title.
Wow, it has been 4 tries now since FM4, hasn’t it?
We had Project Cars for a while but EA suffocated and strangled Slightly Mad Studios to death, and its unlikely we'll ever see another GRID title because Codemasters is now EA"s mule as well to milk new F1 and WRC games yearly- so actual sim racers like Assetto Corsa , Automobilista 2 and iRacing are the only other alternative now on the platform.
Idk if you're joking but Turn 10 is definitely getting a new boss soon as Alan Hartman has been promoted to head of Xbox Game Studios.
I think the customisation comparison was kind of off in this video. FM has got the same Forza Aero on most cars and that's it. In GT7 on most cars you can get a custom racing wing and many more subtle adjustments like license plate placement or type, the rollcage design, light color adjustment, etc. I couldn't say that Forza has better customisation, even just because they claim for the game to be made from the ground up while still being stuck with the abomination of Forza Aero...
It's quite the feat that both game drop the ball in the same thing, progression. GT7's cafe system has been heavily criticised for being a lot a less engagin etc., and lacking races for every groups and such that is the norm for GT. FM fails in their caRPG, in which I don't mind the concept, however is executed in a way that becomes monotonous & less forza like.
Both I feel have great driving for simcade (though FM is lacking good wheel support), but neither I would say are great games within their respective series, but they could be if their progression alone was improved.
After playing GT7 for a year or so and having bought Forza Motorsport near launch, I can subjectively say GT7 is better in every regard. I also recently got a VR2 and now GT7 is even better. I'm struggling to find something that FM does better over GT7. Also also, the multiplayer scene is vastly different in each game. GT7 has more serious racers it seems while FM caters to the more arcadey side. Sooo much ramming in FM. I hung my hat up on FM multiplayer. I was getting so frustrated by every race being destroyed by rammers. Unless you start at the begging to mid pack, you're in for a world of pain come any T1 lol. There's definitely dirty drivers in GT7 no doubt, just less imo.
Forza will never be able to beat GT, no racing games will in their totality. There is a love of the automobile, its history and its culture that GT is able to convey that no other racing game manages to do.
There is a sophistication to its presentation that most other games lack. From understanding its old school roots (like the little car wash guy animation) to embracing new technologies like VR, there is a personality to GT that makes it holy unique.
GT isn’t without its issues but as a complete package and succeeding upon its vision, it is untouchable and arguably the most important driving series there will ever be.
What sets GT apart is that it started with a vision from one man and he is still on the same mission to complete that vision. He’s been creating the world of GT, as we often Joke about how GT isn’t a simulation I would say it is a “driving simulation” as they do a good job to simulate a world around driving. I don’t think it’s an actual racing sim with the lack of damage but driving sim for sure!
FM4 is still better than GT5 though, so clearly it is possible
@@omegadaboiGT5 is a lot worse than GT4 and everyone knows that.
GT4 has no rival.
@@break-beat-sonic Please stop D-riding a 20 year old game, GT5 innovated on GT4 in every aspect. It's only worse now due to the server shutdown.
PS: I never even mentioned GT4, I meant FM4.
Couldn’t agree more with these points, and this is coming from a guy who has lived on Forza since FM2 2005 on the 360. The disappointment is palpable, especially seeing how good GT7 has become. Got burned by GT6 but may have to come back sometime lol
The attention to details on GT7 is extraordinary
I have a feeling that Assetto Corsa 2 is going to be phenomenal, especially if they pull off PSVR2 support.
+ the mods like in the current game.
Acc needs to start doing more then gt3 and gt4 racing then ill come over
@@NikosM112 how about ACC goes the wayof gran tutismo so you dont have to mod
@@danielstokker a lot of cars like in forza and cars must be upgradeable.
@@danielstokker, that's why I didn't mention ACC. I prefer AC because I prefer road cars.
Nice comparison mr random ! im no fanboy and never owned a forza game since the original xbox
but with a reasonably beefy pc@120fps 4k i have really enjoyed my time in forza ... hopefully
better optimization will help more people get to enjoy the game without performance troubles
they are having.
FFB stock isnt very good ,but tweaked is like night and day.
there are some problems AI is a bit 'hit' and miss and visually it can be amazing or wtf !
good to see both developers pushing each other so we get closer to 'real' racing.
GT7 doesnt even have vocal audio. There's literally not a word said in the whole game.
Forza might end up on top when this is all over.
sad part about all this is that forza peaked at motorsport 4 and been a crash grab and having as many people playing as possible vs having actual content in the motosport reboot launched this year is the proof of how far forza has fallen
I think the only way for forza to regain their reputation is to create a big patch for the forza motorsport 2023. A patch that overhauls their steering physics and make their ghosting more predictive and sensible to avoid the infamous forza corner mayhem.
These 2 things seems to be small but it created a big impact to the game that fixing it will most likely make people want to play it again especially in the multiplayer platform.
What about the steering physics?
@@jwallace2913 Its still more arcady than being close to simulation. Nothing wrong with it but they should have at least kept that kind of physics in horizon and they should have made motorsport steering more close to simulation.
All the cars in the game turns by sliding unusually which is not consistent to reality in most of the cars in the game. It just means that the car turning physics has some fixed programming for all the vehicles to turn that way. You can see lots of youtube videos confirming this issue.
They can still make the steering physics close to simulation without making it difficult to play with just a controller. I believe they can still do this if they want to considering they have great programmers.
Forzas constant understeer feeling as a sad fakery of real driving physics and mechanics is just gross. The physics in Forza are so inferior its not even worth comparing to Gt7.
GT7 = Race skill
forza = Fun drive
What makes GT7 the clear winner is that kaz at PD is a real racing driver and he and his development team are truely passionate about cars. Forza will never compare to GT when it comes to what matters driving physics. GT 7 is developed around using a steering wheel while forza has been designed around a controller enough said.
I just hate that when I’m finally getting immersed into a race I might touch a wall or another car and my car goes flying , I’m not ramming ppl but it’s just what’s holding back the realism for me. On forza you can run cars, on GT they are bumper cars.
just because one game is meant for controller and one is for wheel doesn't mean anything.
I'm sorry... 11:30 The cage... what is that hole? I'm assuming you're playing with ray tracing on forza, right? so why is there no shadow on the cluster from the shield above it? T10 really did not account for people with ADHD and ADD issues. Because people with these kind of conditions will look at these details and can not look away anymore. The game can handle like it could cure cancer, but my god, this stuff triggers me so hard.
Ahhhgggggg
Can't unsee now
Its just your average run of the mill octagonal hole in roll cages
I don't get how people are still making these types of videos literally over a month after the games release. In all honesty, they're both great games. I took the time to read some comments and I can already tell half of u are lying about either game to make it seem better than the other. Whether u support GT7 or FM8, we can all come together to appreciate the work they put in to make their games as great and enjoyable as possible. This war is stupid and no game is better than the other. They might have stronger aspects than the other but that doesn't make it a better game nonetheless. We're all here to play GT7 and FM8 not have a civil war about which one is better.
this!
Yeah, if anything, I prefer the DF comparison vid for that reason alone even if they favor GT7
16:01 "All about finesse" Spoon S2000 absolutely bellying it in the barrier in the background
And yet, IGN thought Forza > GT7, lol
I’m Xbox over PlayStation but GT has always been better then forza if we’re being honest
Gt7 on psvr2 is the greatest driving experience of all time, its so good forza has become irrelevant in this debate.. plus the levelling up system for parts in forza is just childish.. gt7 is the better product overall
Gotta disagree with the level system. It actually gives a sense of progression instead of giving you everything in like 10 minutes 😂
@fifteen8850 money should buy parts not leveling up, its far too arcade in that sense.. but look its a good game .The first xbox exclusive actually worth playing.. but if you get the chance to try gt7 on psvr2 it's special to say the least
The skill rating matchmaking on Forza is the most broken thing ever, it starts everyone at S rating so you'll always get terrible drivers in there
The fact of the matter is that Gran Turismo is more educational. It’s that simple. That’s why it’s a better game. It covers everything in the sports car racing and auto enthusiasts area.
i have to Say the regular AI has changed with the last uptade, it's definetly faster now, it's not sophy but its better than before
11:00 look at those audience popping in and out, this some issue with the replay of the game
Psvr2 on gt7 is simply absolutely incredible
It's pretty hard for Forza to compete with GT7, because Forza still hasn't reached the level of GT4.
I have been playing GT7 since launch on PS5, as well as FM in XBSX, and for all the crap I threw to GT in all these months, I was very excited for FM. That said, GT has a lot to improve (and the worse thing is that some of the most important stuff it needs to improve is right there, in the game's history. More events/tournaments that make use of all your collection!), but one thing I never doubted is that it looks really good.
I had very high expectations for FM since it was more time in development and has launched exclusively in current gen consoles, so no optimisation or compromise had to be made for older generations. Considering that, I can take away two things:
- I am very excited for whatever GT comes next exclusively for current consoles (or with them as a base)
- I am very disappointed with how FM looks at some times, as well as how good it looks other times. The mix and match of car model quality is horrid. It reminds me to when people add modded cars into PC games, which obviously have different levels of details/effort. And then, some weather effects are so, so good (when you have a patch of free sky where the sun shines through into the road of an otherwise cloudy day, for example)
Being a video game fan, I just want both to be the best they can be.
At this point, GT is much closer (and has it much easier) than Forza, if you ask me. And I didn't even talk about the progress losing bugs that made me drop Forza for 1/3 of a month to see if they fixed it.
forza doesnt come close to gt7 as an overall package
I can agree on this even tho I enjoy racing on forza more
The interiors in forza looks comically bad on a lot of their cars, feels like they didn’t bother to remodel the cars for new games
This new forza has been a massive disappointment for me, hopefully some updates can improve it alot.
On the point about customisation - the options available in GT, while limited, are all based on tried and tested and fully known variables or have been calculated with as much real world engineering and factual parameters on the whole (maybe not price) where as I highly doubt that the options in the Forza titles have had more than the basic research for the major selections ie drivetrain change and non model based engine transplants, so less of realism is still a win compared to the fantasy plethora that Forza offers. Then again that is basically what Forza has always been about compared to the real driving simulator. NB - a K series engine is in no way unrealistic for transplanting in to another Honda. The theoretical top speed is about the gearing not the swap.
shut up dude. they do plenty of research. its not the research thats lacking. its the time. forza also has 3000 more cars than gt7
@@illmill3639ragey, cope more xbot. 🫵🏻😂
@@illmill3639they only have like 70 more and half of those 500 cars are literally ported from Forza Motorsport 2, so, If they didn't even update the models, why would they even extensively research about cars that doesn't even look like the ones in real life?
As a long time Forza player, FM8 is shameful.
The thing I hate about Forzas driving model is the rear wheel drive cars. They feel like on ice, it's so annoying. I'm pretty confident this was done to further emphasize the meaning of suspension / tire upgrades, however even low powered, stock RWD cars behave like they are broken.
The fact that polyphony games spent a whole PlayStation gen to re do the car model just shows their passion for cars and the game itself
granturismo is miles away
yeah behind in the driving and real feel.
Forza’s rain driving was much more fun and dramatic in their previous titles. Getting rid of the puddles from FM6 and FM7 was a huge mistake.
To be honest, puddles in previous titles were kind of exagerated, that in real world it would be considered red flag due to poor track condition.
The Pokémon style of car upgrades isn't always bad ..
Most wanted 2012 had it but is was just 5-6 races to peak a car.
Gran Turismo 7 instead went for the Pokédex collection, but you can still argue you're evolving your starter with the tuning, just without the pain of grinding at Victory Road... I mean, at the release we were even making jokes about how the start of the game feels like the start of a Pokémon game, some people even making arguments for which type the Aqua, Demio and Fit were!
i like how the people just popping on and off on the bottom of the screen at 11:00 KEKW
Absolutely no contest!!!! No doubt!! 1 started in 97'!!! Yes GT reigns supreme....... Forza is only in it for GTs market share and has been following in GTs footsteps eversince........ GT forges ahead......
GT is massive in the industry, GT creates racing drivers! GT was ahead when creating GT academy! GT works closely with the industry! GT works closely with Wheel manufacturers! Vision GT cars! PD has created real life car dashboards! 2 now with Toyota! Now GT and Sophy!!! not forgetting GT Esport!
Yes GT has stalled the last 2 or 3 versions, due to ambition of both Sony and PD..... No surprise that GT5 / 6 stumbled paralleling the PS3 and PS4 just wasnt as powerful CPU wise for what PD wanted to do
Forza wishes it has the detail, passion and dedication of PDs behemoth! 1 is a juggernaught the other is just a pretender!
Make a copy of your statements here and look back at it after about 10. Wonder how you will look back at your post 😂
GT! GT! GT! Polyphony! GT! GT! Behemoth! GT! GT! GT! Juggernauth! GT! GT!
@@vennemans9113 Why don't YOU look back at your comments in 10 years? I play all the serious simracers too, but I don't act all elitist about it. You keep shitting on all these Forza/GT enjoyers for no reason and it's people like you who give us a bad name. Gran Turismo walked so ACC, iRacing, RF2, and so on can run. Grow up dude.
Great review! As an Xbox player, I bought FM at launch and was hopeful. Some additions are nice (tire wear, fuel, dynamic weather/time, all things GT has had for some time now), but overall it feels like an update to FM7 rather than a whole new game "from the ground up" as they claimed. I know updates will improve things over time, but I'd be lying if I said I wasn't looking at buying a PS5 to get on the GT7 train. Something about those graphics...
I had a friend who was telling me about FM sometime ago, and I said to him u should try gt7, after checking it out he went and bought a ps5 and Gt7 and never looked back 😅
The attention to even the small details in the game is pretty unreal.
You won't regret your decision at all. Forza is a broken arcade racer compared to gran Turismo
Just got a ps5 for Gt7 today so we'll se how jt goes
The new Forza Motorsport is nothing like FM7, you clearly have not played it.
@@fordgtguy both are outdated, car sounds are off, new motorsport the car models are not 'built from the ground up, some of them dating back to FM3, some of the new models lacking intricate details E.g. 992 GT3 light bar looking bloated and weird and guage cluster not showing different gears. Game engine also sucks compared to GT7 and Assetto Corsa. New Forza Motorsport completely lacks passion, what kind of Sim racer doesn't have the nordschleife on launch. Very sad affair.
GT7 is pretty jaggy, something you dont mention a single bit. Forza can look much better other times not so much.
To me the cars are twitchy as hell lol
Not sure how they decided to make it look like the cars are always sliding on ice when turning on Forza. It looks so fake and overall driving just doesn’t feel very realistic on that game. Shocking really.
Hard disagree on the physics being a "draw". GT7 is probably the best simcade when it comes to physics (I'd categorize ACC, iRacing, etc, as sims, not simcade). Forza is barely a simcade at all, with floaty cars where an FF will oversteer almost as much as an RR.
Nah bro GT has the floaty cars. Has unrealistic physocs as well. Literally can’t drive the car realistically without spinning. Or locking up the tires for on a fucking street car at 20mph. Like you can literally spin out any car in the game and lock the tires on any car in the game if you apply to much pressure on the breaks or accelerator. That’s not how it works in real life.
@@dutyrover946 You just showed you either haven't played the game or that a more accurate simulation (not a full simulator) supercedes what Forza, an arcade, offers.
> Literally can’t drive the car realistically without spinning.
Plenty of people can drive in the game without spinning, and any decent player will not even enable TCS. FF cars understeer, FR / MR / RR cars oversteer, and 4WD cars are mostly stable unless you tune them for oversteer or understeer.
> Or locking up the tires for on a fucking street car at 20mph.
This is false. All cars in GT7 have ABS, and no, they do not lock the tires. You have no idea how to trail break, and it shows.
> Like you can literally spin out any car in the game and lock the tires on any car in the game if you apply to much pressure on the breaks or accelerator.
No you can't.
> That’s not how it works in real life.
That's also not how it works in GT7.
@@DraculVaDomni666I think the big difference for me is how the cars react when they make contact, on Forza the cars feel like they’re rubbing on GT the feel like bumper cars. It’s such a turn off and don’t say “we’ll your not supposed to touch each other” racing is rubbing and rubbing is racing
12:35 Important note on performance and overall… GT7 is CROSSGEN!!! This is not even a full on next gen game. Environments all in GT7 can feel low poly and low detail and I think it makes performance easier as they were not pushing the limits. I think we will have to wait for GT8 to really push the limits.
What car was that with Oldsmobile written on the bag at around 9:55
What i dont like is that there are no factory settings for the cars as far as traction control abs etc..
GT7 > Forza
im surprised you didnt touch on fm only having h pattern gearboxes on all cars. they dont know how to handle sequentials.
Wdym? You mean the shift speeds?
I had GT3 way back in the day, and have always been impressed. Getting a ps5 soon so I think I’m gonna get GT7. You can just tell they have so much pride in development
I'll be honest. I spend months and months to more than a year with every Gran Turismo title. I'm bummed that SONY decided to have Kazunori develop GT7 as a PS4 title rather than a PS4 port because even with all the glitz and glamor, it's pretty obvious that the PS4 hamstrung the feature set and capability of the game, down to the engine level. If you doubt that, keep in mind that Sophy AI isn't included in the PS4 Spec II update at ALL.
I spend more time in GT games than any other racer, and most games in general. GT4, I adored and still have warm fuzzies for it, having spent easily 14 months of my life constantly racing in it. Every other game took a year or more of my gaming life away, and I'll have to say that GT7 is still the best racing experience of my life, with a sweet mix of car customization, driving physics and feel that's only bettered by a good sim, and that delicious livery editor. I was instrumental in urging a group of us at GT Planet to form a GR5 racing community, a complete fantasy racing class based on cars even more limited than the GR4. For a quick explain, there are seven classes of race cars from Rally, GR1 to 4, an LMP / X class and GT Formula. So GR5 is like America's SCCA racing club in the low tier of lightly modded but still zippy sports cars turned racers. I haven't been involved there for some time, having taken up fiction writing which has absorbed my brain the last year or more, but I keep dipping my toes into the community, racing, and their awesome livery editor competitions, which I participated in once and accounted myself fairly well with a seventh place finish. But I'm a better judge than creator.
Forza has been a constant downward spiral for me since FW1 - which will make sense if you consider the modern Forza logo. Forza 1 was a surprisingly cool game, if also a truly vexing experience at times thanks to the weird Drivatar AI. It quickly becomes mean, downright vicious, if you finish a race while bumping a bot car. I had some amazingly mean instances with the bots playing F1 and had to start over at one point, treating them like angry terrorists and avoiding contact at all cost. But with each game the physics became better but worse, and the bots still reckless twerps. Online was a mixed bag, but that's Human nature for you. But my ten months on F1 dropped to five months with F2 to four months on F3, two and a half on F4 which I really loved for a while. F5 was such a crapfest that I skipped it. F6 lasted all of seven weeks before I called it quits on the series completely. Car customization is really good, and the livery editor is still the best in the bizz, but... yeah, with GT7 around, I couldn't be bothered to turn on my XBone for years.
2 and a half months on FM4 only? That’s the best game of the series I still turn on the 360 to play it
FM8 physics is okay if you mostly do the multiplayer spec series, but falls apart in situations where you can't tune a car and are forced to use street tires (like Logitech Rivals). The FFB varies a lot based on the car and also the track. Some cars have dead, lifeless steering no matter what you do, and some tracks have very little feel (some Suzuka curbs have no geometry, for instance) while some tracks are a bit better. Overall, the game is very inconsistent with the information it gives you via the wheel and its apparent that wheels were an afterthought for Turn 10. As someone who is mostly interested in multiplayer races, the CarPG nature of the game is extremely annoying. I don't need to form a long term committed relationship with every fucking car in a game that has 500 cars! /rant
Oh, also, slight correction, but Subarus have longitudinal boxer engines, not transverse.
I constantly tried to convince myself that forza motorsport isn’t a bad game but as I saw the immense amount of issue I faced myself and saw others facing. It became clear that gt7 is easily winning
GT fan here im actually sad for you guys cant say anything else about it other then they screwed you guys
@@danielstokker yea I mean they still have a chance to fix the game. And if they don’t take that chance then it’s done for
It’s not a bad game tho lol
@fifteen8850 definitely not a bad game in its self its just that the amount of positive stuff and hype the developers created. It just didn't meet the hype. Honestly is 100% fixable and is lots of potential if they fix these problems
@@captainspade5523 I think they already fixed most of the crashes since 2.0
I can't say I feel the car choice comparison has been fairly made here. GT7 is pumping up its list of cars artificially by giving me 3-4 identical race cars with different liveries while for example Audi is missing all RS models, Mercedes has like 2 or 3 AMGs, most of the JDM legends are missing too.
If it was supposed to be a car collector's game then it really came out shit on the list of cars to collect.. every time I wanted to take a car I always liked but couldn't afford, it wasn't there
Frist of all I played both a lot and I enjoy the multiplayer in both but Forza feels better to me, more raw and not so hyperclean like gt7. I love the way they go with training/qualifying/race and maybe I’m the only one but I really like the leveling system. If it wouldn’t exits i probably would dump cars a lot quicker and would not give them a chance. But after playing a of them mp only in tc or gt class. I found my car and even sat down to create my own livery.
But of course the game by now is in a awful condition but I’m looking forward for the 2.0 update. This game has a lot of potential!
I'm in the same boat brother
M2. The sim side feels better on FM even FM7 is awesome.
Forza feels awful with a wheel, but feels pretty good on a controller. GT7 manages to do both pretty good.
Hope Forza will be able to improve they're wheel FFB in some future updates as i got room for both these games.
If you don't like the 'clean feel ' this means your prefer arcade racing. GT7 is a pure simulator, designed from the ground up for every single car in that game.
@@miltiadiskyvernitis they are both Simcades
As someone who doesn´t know that much about car culture, the Menu completion videos were one of my favorite parts of the campaign
Which game is that at 13:35 when the text "I ENJOY" is shown?
I wish GT had Forza cars, especially the old-school muscle cars.
GT has a bunch of muscle cars