TATRA history on Top Gear BBC 1993
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Chris Goffey presents a history of TATRA from the Type 87.
Hans Ledwinka (1878-1967)
Tatra is the third oldest car maker in the world after Daimler Mercedes-Benz and Peugeot, producing the first motor car in central Europe in 1897.
Production of Tatra cars ceased in 1999 but the company still produces a range of primarily all-wheel-drive trucks.
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Tatra still makes the best trucks in the world
air cooled diesel and independent suspension available in
4x4 and 6x6 and 8x8 config,,
I remember Tim Bishop from when he worked for Rover. An intensely enthusiastic engineer, he would often turn up at work driving a car from his collection of European microcars. At other times he came in his Tatra T603, and one day he took me out to lunch in it, where he impressed me by hustling it around the country lanes near Gaydon with aplomb. Happy days!
It's damn unforgivable that the Tatra ended up on the wrong side of the Iron Curtain. Had that not happened, we'd probably be driving Tatras, rather than Volkswagens. Either that, or the Tatra would be available for those who like Mercedes-Benz and/or BMW but want something with the rear mounted engine. :)
Krásně zmapovaná historie zn. TATRA. Můžem si za to sami, že Tatra topadla, jak dopadla. BRAVO TATRA.
i love this car
thanks for sharing,tatra is a very much underrated company
in my opinion a company who produces trucks should never be overlooked
thank you for uploading this
Beautiful cars
Translated from Czech: Today in our country produces only passenger cars and Skoda are common sedans, hatchbacks and station wagon. Why can not we have a really sporty car with petrol six-cylinder or eight-cylinder engines as well as ours.
In fact, design of T613 was obsolete in 1993, because original production started in 1975. Before all facelifts and plastics, it was a chromed queen with many edges and shapes, which granted much more lightness than after later facelifts.
The sound of these 613 is so amazing, these cars are as fast as a Fiat Dino 2400 and have the roadholding of good Porsche 911!
Such a shame they've gone now, I really like that 613/5.
Although my english is not perfect, I think this translation is more accurate:
I think Sysel was talking about passenger cars production, which really was destroyed by communists. There were big halls in Kopřivnice, so they ordered production of trucks... T603 and newer models were produced on shoestring, such production could't be kept after velvet revolution.
Of course the Audi V8 the Merc S clads and the BMW 7 Series slaughtered the last Tatras but the Tatras were so much cooler
whoa, i've never heard about the 613, is fantastic!
Well I beg to disagree. The first series 613 was in time of its designing (1968/69) quite modern. Of course, the russian invasion of 68 did not speed things up. Neither did "planed" supply industry as well as limiting factory output by communist party. Also the production started in 73, car was obsolete by 83, but they made the damn thing till 96. With all that said, Tatra is for me still one of those unusual brands, ones like Saab and Lancia.
The engine sounds great.
They were coach builders, later started with carriages for both army and civil sector. The first car they built was Präsident in 1892. With its two stroke engine from Benz it was coach with engine. They built the car to explore future potential of petrol powerd vehicles. To prove this concept they drove the car to Wien ( 328 km in 24,5 hour :) They built few one-offs all technicaly related to this first one. The company was making those various one offs until Ledwinka came in with NW U /T 10.
I have a book at home which has a Type 87 in it - from memory the air-cooled V8 was only 2.5 litres in capacity!
bent8rover,
You mention TATRA trucks - I have seen one on the road and it reminds me of Germany's Magirus Deutz with the big air-cooled V8 - which is what ya forgot to mention in your description - and AWD!
Joe
very cool!
What a beast I like it
@Seattlecarnut In fact, Tatraplans were imported in early 1950's. But I guess those ones were the later models which were not made by Tatra but Škoda.
It's about Ledwinka's 'people's car' design.
Yup, they wanted to sue VW before the war but Hitler put paid to that by invading Czechoslovakia. Ledwinka was pretty philosophical about it, referring to Ferdinand Porsche, he said "Sometimes I looked over his shoulder, sometimes he looked over mine"
No. That guy Tim Bishop was actually an engineering consultant given the job of developing the fuel injection system to meet emissions regs in the uk which he did...and never got paid for the work by Tatra who were in a bad place financially. they simply couldn't afford to develop it enough to be saleable here, set up a dealer network etc. Under communism they had a captive market and did not have to worry much about consumer acceptability.
the features that tucker brought tatra had 20 years before. and tatra is not out of bussiness, it just specializes on heavy duty trucks
Honestly, the Tatra Type 87 seems like it more inspired the Tucker Torpedo, either that or it's just a really odd coincidence that both of their designs & concept are strikingly similar. The VW Beetle was more designed to be cheap, basic transportation for everyone, while the Tartra was designed more on the luxurious and technologically advanced side of the spectrum. So to me, comparing the Volkswagen to the Tatra is like comparing apples and oranges, although it is apparent Ferdinand Porsche did take inspiration from that car.
Although my english is not perfect, I think this translation is more accurate:
I think Sysel was talking about passenger cars production, which really was destroyed by communists. There were big halls in Kopřivnice, so they ordered production of trucks... T603 and newer models were produced on shoestring, such production could't be kept after Velvet revolution.
Webasto heater!? On a car! Nice idea Tatra!
Rather interesting
Looks like fun.
Rear engined V8, ouch, scarey stuff...
Top Gear začal někdy v roce 1977-78 jako krátkej low cost program. Ale během 80.let se celkem vypracoval
Ledwinka was a great designer, but actually, the idea of streamlined cars was not his. It was Erich Übelacker who convinced Ledwinka about the benefits of the aerodynamic design. Moreover, an Austrian Béla Barényi visited in Tatra in 1931 presenting his idea of a rear engined, streamlined people's car with a transaxle and central load carrying pipe.
Tatra was not the first serial produced aerodynamic car. It was Rumpler Tropfenwagen in 1921.
Miluju českou historii a česká auta.
So Amazing Car Oldest from Eny german Car.Skoda Have More 100Production.Skoda Produce Speed Sift Gear for porshe is Truth 100%.So Best Car In Europe.Bey.
It's excellent! For driving folks potty :D
After WWII, VW had to pay Tatra compensation for stealing Tatra's designs to build the Beetle.
Tr. 'I think Sysel was talking about passenger cars production, which really was destroyed by communists. There were big halls in Kopřivnice, so they ordered production of trucks... T603 and newer models were produced on shoestring, such production could't be kept after velvet revolution'
Shooot, my fuse just blew up reading one comment English and 2nd in Czech over and over, lol. Nekdy it's impossible cist takhle.
A pity they ran out of money before importing any of these. looks like a fine machine
P.S.: Největší problémy začala mít Tatra poté co ji v kupónové privatizaci koupila americká firma Terex Corporation.
Napřed si něco zjisti a potom nebudeš vykládat nesmysly ;-)
dobrý vidět starý 20let video jak je Tatra vychvalovaná a ještě k tomu v Anglii.Jo škoda že je to dneska tak špatný.Aspon že tu škodovku zachránili němci ,když Tatra jde úplně do háje.Je to smutnej osud tejhle slavnej značky :(
tatra is 2nd world oldest manufacturer and they start the history with 1940´s model... and what about the cars they had been making as long as 60 years before that?
if only we could have a Tatra these days...I remember the Skoda was imported into the USA but very few dealers. Tara should have kept the old style and now it looks rather much like a modern car which is rather bland.
@wickiezulu Generally, lots of good Czechoslovak manufacturers could have been still around and producing top-notch world-class vehicles and machinery if it wasn't for the commies...
Drift Machine.
tr. 'Bull's-eye! And then the twat what it presented as something "supposed" to be cheap .. Only the one guy who spoke there while in tech overalls really understood the value and quality of the car .. And when I saw how there flew along the road between those straps - Great ..!'
tr. 'I'm almost sure that was the Tatra voucher privatization sold out minority shareholders, then it has acquired a majority in Lubomir Soudek. Zeman's government then bought automobiku, oddlužila and found her partner for Terex Co.. For reasons that today do not understand, then it Terex antitrust authorities prohibited mounted on Tatra its superstructure (cranes, etc.) Which is for him to become the automaker Tarka unnecessary. So after some time it sold.'
@mrspivvy Actualy they have some problems with homologation in western europe, mostly because of emsions. Also this car never has ABS or Airbags. After all, produciton of these end up in the year of 2000. But before economy crisis arrived, they planed little series of retro cars, based on Subaru Outback platform. But that planes never become reality.
It's too bad that Tatra ended up on the wrong side of the wall after it was built. People might've heard of the car, and possibly might've bought the car. For those who want a rear-engined car, but don't want either a Volkswagen Beetle or a Porsche, have a go at Tatra.
tatra 603 prices ....now 15000-50 000euro!!!!Tatra 613 prices now...from 5000 to 10 000 euro....and model TATRA 700 now 30 000 euro....every year more and more....
tr. 'PS: The biggest problems have started Tatra after it in the coupon privatization bought the American company Terex Corporation.
First you find out something and then not tell nonsense;-)'
but on subaru's undercarriage it will not be TATRA :-( But I love this cars
Nice car, but the front end looks like a 1970-1976 AMC Gremlin.
joking, have heard of them but that was quite expensive!
Indeed, because the origin of this T613 comes back to 1973, when the prototype was built and since then, nothing was done to the car, so when in 1990 they thought about exporting it to the west, they found the T613 is worse equipped that the Skoda Favorit, since the T613 didn't have mirrors adjustable from the inside. As a luxury limousine, it had nothing like aircon, ABS, airbag or central locking and electrical windows. It consumed about 15l of fuel every 100km and had to have a special diesel heating since it was aircooled. So to turn this old T613 into at least what is seen in this video made it so expensive.
Dneska u nás vyrábí osobní auta jen Škoda a to jsou obyčejný sedany, hatchbacky a kombíky. Proč nemůžeme mít OPRAVDU sportovní auto s benzínovým osmiválcem nebo šestiválcem i my.
tr. 'Because only MRCI and therefore will not do anything. I have a Skoda, Roomika, the Czech insured, self taky.Další car will turn Škoda.Telka assembled in Pilsen, my little shoes from Valšska etc ... How are you'
tr. 'See what the factories udelala privatization and then come on here smart - what kumunisti failed for 40 years proved to us Reverend Mr. *** in a few years as an economist'
The man from the importers really should have worn a suit and not a lumberjack shirt. Did they manage to sell any of these in the UK?
and the history is not yet over. They plan to manufacture replicas of famous models. It should have subaru undercarriage, with about 400 pieces anually.
:D Zajímavá úvaha po kuponové privatizaci a hromadě dalších vynikajících kroků našich konšelů.
tatra?
tr. 'It was but a consequence, the cause was under communism. The fact that many companies after communism ended was bad but it was only a consequence.'
Odkdy se vlastně natáčí TOP GEAR?Vím,že časopis v ČR vychází delší dobu.Komunisti prý Tatrovce zakázali výrobu osobáků,až na asi1vyjímku.V promovysílání PRIMA COOL z roku2009 se v ukázce ze seriálu HEURÉKA-MĚSTO DIVŮ objeví SOLÁRNÍ AUTO,které mi připomíná tu malou Tatru-malý náklaďáček.
tr. 'Under Communism Tatra destroyed under communism was based on the best model. Error was not producing the People's car but only limousines but again if the contrary made by People's cars or limousines at all those beautiful and perhaps originated from it was only the second Škodovky'
1 člověk se narodil v roce 1995 :D
tr. 'It is naive to say that for all men kuponovka ... Tatra and Skoda simply were not competitive ... because "working people" by not need the sort of comfort, who would have bought the revolution in the West Favorit? VW had come to bring technology when there are 30 years behind the curve ... Look Someone Koprvinice to the museum and find out that both comrades were open to development and progress :/'
tr. 'Nono ... Goffey is not no twat, on the contrary, always praised our cars and is fairly evaluated. Just Holt were all accustomed to Eastern products are the days of communism Nash dumped to stand got some foreign exchange. Perhaps such a Favorit there in 1989 was £ 5,000, for which you had hardly got used fiesta'
@SyselCZE
Kdyby po roce 1989 kapitalisté nezničili a nerozkradli vše, tak mohla nadále Tatra vyrábět nejlepší náklaďáky do nejtěžšího terénu na světě, a možná i luxusní osobáky, prototypy od pana Krále byly připravené!!!
:-D Ty to máš v životě asi hodně jednoduchý. Je zajímavý že krachovat Tatra začala až po listopadu '89. Za to asi mohli komunisti, že?
Říká ti něco název Tatra MTX V8? Výkonný moderní, designově perfektní sporťák, který mohl být konkurencí pro západní firmy. Po pražském autosalonu se počítalo se sériovou výrobou, ale potom byl projekt novými mocipány prodán a potom pro jistotu záhadně shořela linka kde se mělo MTX vyrábět. A za to můžou komunisti, že? Vtipe.
tr. 'Since when actually shooting TOP GEAR? Know that the magazine is based in the Czech Republic more dobu.Komunisti said tatrovce banned Passenger car production up to asi1vyjímku.V promovysílání COOL roku2009 of the sample in the series HEURÉKA-city WONDERLAND solar car appears to me reminds the little-little Tatra truck.'
oh those German officers :D
@marekjungwirth Protože se jenom mrčí a nic proto neudělá. Já mám Škodovku,Roomika,pojištěného u České, sebe taky.Další auto bude zase Škoda.Telka smontovaná v Plzni,boty má malá z Valšska atd....Jak jsi na tom ty?
@marekjungwirth K1 attack
Translated from Czech: Yeah, if the Communists did not destroy everything they could and would today be one of the largest Tatra automobile companies in the world, while now drowning somewhere in the bottom of all :-(
no zato mistri tedka nas prumysl podrporili, co?
omg
German officers :D:D:D
PorsChe!
@bluefalcon7782 That will be Tim Bishop's fault!!!!!!
K1 attack is car from slovakia
tr. ':-D You got it around a lot in life simple. It is interesting that fail Tatra began after November '89. For some it might communists, right?
Do you know anything name Tatra MTX V8? Powerful modern design perfect sports car that could be competitive with Western firms. After Prague Motor Show is envisaged for mass production, but then the project was sold new overlord and then mysteriously burned for sure where the line should produce MTX. And to blame the Communists, right? Jokes.'
I'm guessing because it was never marketed in the west and the communist bloc was pretty much closed off to the rest of the world, I only know of it because of magazine articles and watching this on TV way back.
Such a shame Tatra don't make cars any more. with the collapse of communism they may well have had a vast new market for their products.
tr. 'If after 1989 and nerozkradli capitalists destroy everything she could continue to produce the best Tatra trucks the toughest terrain in the world, and maybe even a Passenger car, prototypes from Mr. King was ready!!'
tr. 'The communists destroyed, that at the time of the coming of democracy had to sell hdoně things which attract investors to the communists ruined the country's other things, for Havel nor anyone else could too. Let's be glad that there are still Tatra stejěn as Skoda. 90 percent of East automakers expired.'
NO WONDER THE CAR NEVER LASTED IF TIM BISHOP HAD ANYTHING TO DO WITH IT!!!!!!!! THE FANTASTIC CONNAUGHT ENGINEER....... LMFAO!!!
tim bishop has a lot to answer for. he ruined the car's chances in the uk!
BMW, Merc, Audi, Jag, had nothing to fear from this car. Resale value would have been
zero!!
According to Marek, I must say that i live there, in Czech Republic. But im disgusted when i must watch how my country and people, the workers or whatever, my nation is exploited by Europian Union which acts like Nazies and Communists together. Everyone must have everything but if one wants to make something own, no. Škoda is now Volkswagen - germans. Every idea what Škoda produces as new model is only Volkswagen's model. My country is weak because someone at WWII was wimp and let us in sh*t.
komunisti?snad klaus néé!!