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  • Jeremy has a big decision to make as he sets himself the task of choosing which is worse between the Allegro and the Marina. Hilarious car review video from BBC motoring enthusiast show 'Clarkson's Car Years'. Subscribe to Top Gear for more videos: bit.ly/SubscribeToTopGear
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  • @lestrem11
    @lestrem11 Před rokem +301

    I had a Marina and it was probably the most exciting car I ever owned. Some days the indicator stalk fell off and other days the gear stick came off in my hand. I finally said goodbye to this engineering marvel one cold January morning when, late for work I pushed a bit too hard down a particularly icy hill, I turned the steering wheel left and the car shot right like a scalded cat. My life literally passed before me as the car hit a low wall and cartwheeled through the air…..it never ran again which is why I am alive to tell this tale.

    • @revvolutions
      @revvolutions Před 5 měsíci +15

      A Marina's like a box of chocolates, eh Forrest?

    • @bsmith8943
      @bsmith8943 Před 5 měsíci +5

      Lmao. Glad you lived through that.

    • @amitsunkur8127
      @amitsunkur8127 Před 4 měsíci +1

      Hahaha❤🔥still i love this car

  • @mattsmedley.onehandedgamin9029

    My parents owned an orange marina for a time in my youth.
    There was an incident when another orange marina parked in a car park outside a shop and my mother mistakenly went to the wrong one.
    Opened the door with her key, started the engine & drove away, short distance down the road realised that it wasn't her marina & returned it to the carpark.
    Quality 🚙 😀

    • @markmitchell450
      @markmitchell450 Před 3 lety +96

      Done exactly the same with an sd1 rover i got in started it up and then realised this isn't my car
      Whoops

    • @paulpips2742
      @paulpips2742 Před 3 lety +26

      brilliant! I did the same with a gold ford fiesta circa 1988 :P

    • @Stu-SB
      @Stu-SB Před 3 lety +57

      Done this in a customers mk2 escort estate, nipped to an auto part shop, bought a 32 mil socket, jumped into the car and drove away, noticed a noise in the back and seen three big containers of water...only realised a mile up the road I had jumped into the wrong car, turned round expecting a right kicking from some mental hard man, sure enough as I came over the brow of the hill there was another mk2 escort estate still outside the shop, quickly parked up and jumped into the correct car.. lol.. turns out the guy had left the keys in the ignition as mine were in my pocket... drove away nobody knew anything !..

    • @soundseeker63
      @soundseeker63 Před 3 lety +13

      What was it that made her eventually realise it wasn't hers? lol

    • @jimtaylor294
      @jimtaylor294 Před 3 lety +21

      A reflection of how low the global car industry standard for vehicle locks was back then, which the media of the day often brought up.

  • @DolleHengst
    @DolleHengst Před 3 lety +2072

    "The Allegro bundled the combined expertise of the British automotive industry in the 70's. Despite this, it actually ran"
    - AutoBild Klassik nr.8/August 2020
    German car magazine

    • @Chrischi4598
      @Chrischi4598 Před 3 lety +34

      F

    • @Yukatoshi
      @Yukatoshi Před 3 lety +24

      LOL

    • @muhammadnursyahmi9440
      @muhammadnursyahmi9440 Před 3 lety +230

      And they say Germans don't have a sense of humour

    • @Jeyeyeyey
      @Jeyeyeyey Před 3 lety +69

      Germans laughing at the car's ability to start
      Oh the fucking irony

    • @dpm2937
      @dpm2937 Před 3 lety +31

      @@muhammadnursyahmi9440 Well the Bild are assholes. They push people to give them info about everything. A mother was suspected of killing 5 of her 6 children. The last surviving one wrote to his class that he won't come to school. Then the Bild reporters went to his friends and asked them to give them their chats with the kid who survived (which they did for some reason) and then thed published those chats into an article which you had to pay for. Uncensored. And with the kids full name, face and even adress

  • @alc-d4163
    @alc-d4163 Před 3 lety +632

    "IT'S FOUL!"
    "IT'S WONDERFUL!"
    "IT'S HORRID!"
    "I LOVE IT!"

    • @t8polestarcyan22
      @t8polestarcyan22 Před 3 lety +15

      Solution, a Ford Cortina! It's definitely NOT foul nor horrid! From Mark 1 to Mark 5! GXL or even a base model will shine over a Mini!

    • @llucsimon418
      @llucsimon418 Před 3 lety +8

      sounds like something out of a campy musical lol

    • @opiumtrail7032
      @opiumtrail7032 Před 2 lety +1

      Fuck off with the shouting.

    • @gargoyles9999
      @gargoyles9999 Před rokem

      Perfectly balanced as all things should be

  • @TraustiGeir
    @TraustiGeir Před 5 lety +2398

    Those chaps he talked to were at least very cheerful and stood their ground.

    • @monkeysbum999
      @monkeysbum999 Před 4 lety +84

      There's no way they weren't nice guys

    • @CIMMIL
      @CIMMIL Před 4 lety +130

      I was very surprised when I recognised the owner of the Allegro. He is now a vicar Birminghham, near to where the factory that produced these two models and is still a car enthusiast.

    • @ilya3379
      @ilya3379 Před 3 lety +20

      @@CIMMIL i hope he's doing well for himself :)

    • @classydays43
      @classydays43 Před 3 lety +30

      They were basically the complete opposite of the cars they admired.

    • @Dr.TJ_Eckleburg
      @Dr.TJ_Eckleburg Před 3 lety +7

      I could watch him talk to those guys about their cars for an hour straight lmao

  • @KuliJens
    @KuliJens Před 4 lety +1672

    "It's not a particularly bad car... It's just an outstandingly adequate car with mistakes made in it!"
    Clarkson himself couldn't describe the irony more humorously than this man explained it unironically

    • @tonyb9735
      @tonyb9735 Před 4 lety +25

      he wasn't being non-ironic.

    • @matthewjackman8410
      @matthewjackman8410 Před 4 lety +45

      It is strange how you somehow missed the irony in the man's comment; ironically.

    • @FIXTREME
      @FIXTREME Před 4 lety +4

      @@karlwest437 it worked for Geo...

    • @classydays43
      @classydays43 Před 3 lety +15

      @@karlwest437 "the Morris Marina... It'll do."

    • @johnmccrossan9376
      @johnmccrossan9376 Před 3 lety +14

      Its not an outstandingly illegal daycare centre its just a remarkably legally ambiguous operation with crimes commited in it!

  • @conradsmith7752
    @conradsmith7752 Před 3 lety +73

    I drove both in the 80's. The allegro was the only car that managed to get through thick snow on the motorways to get me home from Telford to Sussex. All other cars were on the hard shoulder or abandoned. The Marina on the other hand ended up going through my neighbours front wall in the wet.

    • @LouishWaltz
      @LouishWaltz Před 8 měsíci +6

      Back in the day if you drove an Allegro or Maxi in snow, you'd laugh at all the Escort and Cortina drivers stuck or vehicles abandoned.

  • @procrasti86
    @procrasti86 Před 3 lety +104

    2:13 Can't stop laughing at his comically huge head inside these tiny cars

  • @muhammadhamzah8456
    @muhammadhamzah8456 Před 4 lety +1859

    Moral of the story : everything is someone's beloved

  • @steves5172
    @steves5172 Před 2 lety +62

    Anyone remember an article about a Marina with a disc brake one side, and a drum on the other? It was reported in the AA drive magazine (I think) in the mid seventies but was only diagnosed after the second visit to the dealer.
    This apparently happened when production switched drums for discs on the production line!

  • @elizabethsamson5591
    @elizabethsamson5591 Před 3 lety +36

    I owned a Morris Marina for 27 years! Started driving it in 1982, it let me down twice in 27 years! After having it restored and showing it around the country -and at the NEC in Birmingham- I sold it to a very keen buyer- no, it wasn't a fast car, but, it had a real character and I loved driving it. I had it restored on the Isle of Wight and when i bought it back on the ferry, i had lots of people positively commenting on the car. I drove it to London a few times and had lots of positive beeps and comments wherever i went. Even at the NEC, the Morris Marina stand was very popular- I joined the Morris marinas owners club and learnt a lot more about the cars than I ever knew, also they had a thriving community and excellent parts service etc- Jeremy Clarkson can put down cars on television, but he came to our stand at the NEC and was most complementary. Sometimes what you see on TV is not always the truth......

    • @oakleaves8370
      @oakleaves8370 Před rokem +2

      The Morris Marina looks similar to the same year Toyota Corrolla and Datsun 120Y/B210. Similar engine sizes/HP/speed. Similar leaf suspension and handling too. Nothing too controversial about it really.

    • @odinsrensen7460
      @odinsrensen7460 Před rokem

      Cool story, very nice.

  • @calessel3139
    @calessel3139 Před 2 lety +88

    "Its reliable"
    "No Its Not!!"
    "Its easy to work on."

    • @pearz420
      @pearz420 Před 2 lety +5

      "So is a formica work surface."

    • @petermc2183
      @petermc2183 Před 2 lety +6

      Had to be easy to be work on cous ya always fixin the dang thing

    • @andrewb2475
      @andrewb2475 Před 2 lety +1

      Yeh I got that one as well :D

    • @Patrick.Weightman
      @Patrick.Weightman Před 2 lety

      classic beetle owners in a nutshell

  • @seskandtheothers8494
    @seskandtheothers8494 Před 7 lety +2230

    I expected a piano to fall on the Marina at the end.

    • @RastaSaiyaman
      @RastaSaiyaman Před 7 lety +97

      They both deserved that fate.
      Have you seen the TG Australia version of the Ashes, they had to drive the worst cars ever made in the UK, which were a Triumph TR-7, a Morris Ital (Which was the more "developed" version of the Marina) and the Allegro.
      They ended up bringing all three of the cars to the scrap yard where they were turned into metal blocks and one of the Aussies going "That has improved the looks so much."
      And later when Clarkson, Hammond and May asked to get the cars back and were shown the blocks...
      James: So you crushed an Austin Allegro? Well done!

    • @topspeed6553
      @topspeed6553 Před 7 lety +3

      (SeŠk)andTheOthers same

    • @thenomatron9358
      @thenomatron9358 Před 6 lety +3

      (SeŠk)andTheOthers too clichè

    • @Tiger351
      @Tiger351 Před 6 lety +9

      RastaSaiyaman We had TR-7's and Marinas in Australia (never had Allegros thankfully) and vary few have survived because we're more than glad to see those steaming piles of crap go to the blast furnace to make something actually useful like soup cans lol.
      If you thought BL cars were bad in the UK, they were atrocious over here with our 40 degree C + weather extremes and their inadequate cooling systems.

    • @garydunn3037
      @garydunn3037 Před 6 lety +8

      Don't you mean a giant foot just like in the Monty Python sketch.

  • @jackking5567
    @jackking5567 Před 4 lety +135

    I had an Allegro and loved it. Sure overtaking something had to be planned 5 miles beforehand but it was actually a comfortable car to drive.
    One day I put it into reverse and the front wheels went backwards but the car didn't - the front wheels buried themselves beneath the bulkhead. Rust had won!

  • @dazzab111
    @dazzab111 Před 3 lety +19

    Damn Myrtle, we found us our square wheel….totally changes the carrrrrr

    • @user-bv8wr3vw4x
      @user-bv8wr3vw4x Před 2 lety +1

      I've read it with Jeremy's southern accent. 😂

  • @a3s1r1986
    @a3s1r1986 Před 3 lety +261

    I think the Marina is the closest they got to mass producing that one car we all drew as kids 😅

    • @WarCrimeGaming
      @WarCrimeGaming Před 3 lety +1

      The Morris Marina was a mass produced car.

    • @a3s1r1986
      @a3s1r1986 Před 3 lety +23

      @@WarCrimeGaming I didn't say it wasn't

    • @gerardmontgomery280
      @gerardmontgomery280 Před 3 lety +10

      @@WarCrimeGaming read it again, slowly.

    • @WarCrimeGaming
      @WarCrimeGaming Před 3 lety +1

      @@gerardmontgomery280 I'm just saying that the Morris Marina was mass produced. I never said that the guy? above me didn't say that it wasn't.

    • @ghraffydd5275
      @ghraffydd5275 Před 3 lety +1

      I thought that was a Giulia.

  • @GraveUypo
    @GraveUypo Před 4 lety +762

    square wheel? so that's basically an aston martin vulcan, only some 50 years earlier... so ahead of its time

  • @crashcommander
    @crashcommander Před 9 lety +492

    My mum used to drive around in a morris Ital, which was remembered because it used to use more oil than petrol, but there were no leaks or smoke, the oil would magically disappear....

    • @grimytech
      @grimytech Před 5 lety +4

      Lol

    • @shaunontheinternet1452
      @shaunontheinternet1452 Před 5 lety +49

      Could have been leaking into the bell housing through the rear crank seal and burning off with the clutch. You likely wouldn't even notice the smell either!

    • @janiravy
      @janiravy Před 4 lety +1

      my 2012 golf has same problems you mentioned.

    • @NymbusCumulo928
      @NymbusCumulo928 Před 4 lety +24

      US ambassador here, we kinda took it sorry

    • @garydunn3037
      @garydunn3037 Před 4 lety +4

      The oil usually ended up under the car on the road, just like old british Motorbikes.

  • @jayanthsr5843
    @jayanthsr5843 Před 3 lety +6

    4:09 "I like princesses"
    - random British bloke

  • @MrGrinny
    @MrGrinny Před 3 lety +15

    My Gran had an Allegro and it was actually nice for the day, granted she hardly drove the thing, but it was quiet, smooth and well furnished but I do remember sitting in the passenger seat as a very young child stopped about 5 cars from a roundabout when the windscreen exploded for no reason, so perhaps some odd structural weaknesses present in the frame.

    • @simonh6371
      @simonh6371 Před rokem

      I'd say that windscreens randomly exploding would kind of put a damper on that whole quietness, smoothness and being well furnished, personally I don't mind if a car is a bit louder, rougher and less comfortable, as long as the windscreen doesn't explode out of the blue. I'm quirky like that.

  • @example2844
    @example2844 Před 4 lety +224

    For the entire Time I was watching this, I was eagerly waiting for the crew to drop a piano on the marina

  • @hoopenhanger
    @hoopenhanger Před 9 lety +3941

    I don't know what's more depressing here, the horrible cars or the gloomy council houses in the background.

    • @scottsherman7069
      @scottsherman7069 Před 9 lety +169

      There is absolutely nothing wrong with council houses. Those particular ones are a bit you know though

    • @hoopenhanger
      @hoopenhanger Před 9 lety +423

      Scott Sherman British housing is like British people, somber and dreary.

    • @scottsherman7069
      @scottsherman7069 Před 9 lety +67

      Not all of them, well maybe in England but in Scotland they can actually look alright

    • @ilikezappa
      @ilikezappa Před 9 lety +80

      hoopenhanger Only where shitty poor people live . Posh people have nice houses , where they can be somber and dreary . Clarksons house has a Lightning Fighter Jet in the front garden tho . Not bad Jezzer , for an unemployed Northerner.

    • @hoopenhanger
      @hoopenhanger Před 9 lety +40

      ilikezappa He has a jet in his front garden? I seriously doubt this does much to combat the dreariness of his neighborhood. But I'll give him points for trying.

  • @anthonybrunotheodd
    @anthonybrunotheodd Před rokem +12

    As an American I strongly believe that the Allegro isn’t that bad. It was surely more innovative that we were putting out state side. I mean they were at least trying to make the car not look like anything else on the road. The Allegro is kind of like the AMC Pacer in that sense.

  • @thebigworldofnz
    @thebigworldofnz Před 2 lety +66

    I think the Marina actually looks really damn nice

    • @stantheshagster1484
      @stantheshagster1484 Před rokem +6

      That may be true but its still a horrible to drive bag of sadness made by BL

    • @Shambles7698
      @Shambles7698 Před rokem +2

      @@stantheshagster1484 can you explain why marina is bad . And is it's bad that allegro

    • @jacobrumens9601
      @jacobrumens9601 Před rokem +14

      I agree. Still shit, but has much more character than a Tesla!

    • @natasastanojevic
      @natasastanojevic Před rokem +9

      ​@@jacobrumens9601 a Soviet lawn mover is more inspired and beautiful than a Tesla.

    • @jacobrumens9601
      @jacobrumens9601 Před rokem +1

      @@natasastanojevic Do you mean Ladas?

  • @nobbytart27
    @nobbytart27 Před 4 lety +148

    Brilliant video, my Morris Marina claim to fame was in my home town of Morecambe with my mum back in about 1980 - 81'ish, like every aspiring young lad back then we had a punk band and my mum was dropping us off at a gig (seem to remember the old girl did have a big boot, thats the car not my mum 😉) as we crested West end road bridge (heading towards the promenade) theres a gentle curve, i was in the front and felt the car shudder slightly and my mum let out some expletives as the steering wheel wobbled furiously, something then caught my eye to the left and it was a wheel rolling down the road parallel to us complete with tyre and part of the axle, i realised it was our wheel (front nearside), instead of negotiating the gentle curve we went straight into this chaps garden knocking down his wall and the wheel ended up in another garden a couple of doors down, as young lads we thought this whole experience was brilliant. This wasnt the end of mums maroon Marina she got it repaired and it soldiered on for a few more years before something went terminally wrong with the engine (cant remember what) and it ended its days in the local scrap yard (Ken Allens), happy days.

    • @motherteresa9127
      @motherteresa9127 Před 3 lety +4

      Best we can do is make sure the wheel never comes off again 😂🤣😂🤣

    • @Treviscoe
      @Treviscoe Před 3 lety +7

      LOL that's a great story. I'll bet your Mum had some explaining to do to the neighbour whose garden wall she'd knocked down!

    • @petergerritgroen3157
      @petergerritgroen3157 Před 3 lety +2

      I dri ravel with the Marina to Sout of France
      He make it.

    • @robm8809
      @robm8809 Před 3 lety +1

      Something very similar happened to my friend's VW Beetle.

    • @daveking2111
      @daveking2111 Před 3 lety

      Ah! I would suggest that someone forgot to regularly grease the trunnion joints.

  • @jonathanewer5910
    @jonathanewer5910 Před 7 lety +552

    I don't know why people say the Marina looked shit. That's a pretty sharp looking car for the 1970's.
    How I miss being driven around by my parents in their Marinas! I could watch the road go by through the holes that had rusted through the foot-wells!

    • @squarielman
      @squarielman Před 6 lety +4

      Jonathan Ewer, And Fords Didn"t rust ??? Another bloody Leyland knocker ..

    • @jamesfrench7299
      @jamesfrench7299 Před 5 lety +18

      Jonathan Ewer Aussie made Marinas had better rust treatment and Leyland Australia products were less rust prone than Japanese cars of the same era.
      I have always liked the Marinas shape.

    • @OffGridInvestor
      @OffGridInvestor Před 5 lety

      Looks like an exact copy of a 1970s ford cortina for Australia. It probably actually is under a different name/badge. Because we CERTAINLY DIDN'T HAVE a "Marina" here....

    • @JROD082384
      @JROD082384 Před 5 lety +4

      When you had cars like the Jensen Interceptor and many others available as a choice over these cars, it does seem a bit preposterous that anyone would want to own the Marina or Allegro.

    • @dermot51
      @dermot51 Před 5 lety

      Is it any worse looking than a K20 or K30 ,no its not

  • @Everything_All_In_One_Place

    "It's just an astoundingly adequate car with mistakes made in it."
    I detect a government employee.

  • @jota3732
    @jota3732 Před 3 lety +3

    Clarckson driving the Alegro his head is so big it’s hilarious 😆

  • @rutherfojr
    @rutherfojr Před 9 lety +588

    Had a white allegro estate which i bought in Brixton Hill garages IN 1982.
    if i put the heater fan on full - the windscreen wipers wouldnt work. The petrol guage packed in after two months. Then the cotta pin that held the gear stick in place wore out. I f i put in reverse gear stick came out of floor. Also had to press inner circle of ignition key housing before pushing key in and turn clockwise. To start in winter hot water over inlett mannifold . I eventuallly abandoned it at Leyton tube car park. Went back a month later and a house next to car park had collapsed on th he Allegro. Still have the keys though. ..

    • @ianfindlay865
      @ianfindlay865 Před 9 lety +180

      ***** That house knew exactly what it was doing.

    • @ilikezappa
      @ilikezappa Před 8 lety +101

      +Ian Findlay Comments like that stop me despairing that I am British . We have crap weather , shitty waitresses , overpriced , overcrowded everything , Piers Morgan and Jordan BUT Sense of humour ? Best in the world .

    • @medicwebber3037
      @medicwebber3037 Před 8 lety +8

      +John Rutherford HAHAHAHAHAHAAA!

    • @pwareham61
      @pwareham61 Před 6 lety +3

      John Rutherford Great Story Mate

    • @kennethseah758
      @kennethseah758 Před 6 lety

      John Rutherford Was the roof crushed?

  • @Kyntteri
    @Kyntteri Před 4 lety +223

    0:49 If you look closely, you'll see that Marina has two driver side mirrors. That's how much this particular Morris was stuck to the things gone by.

    • @VivAtreyu
      @VivAtreyu Před 4 lety +42

      Redundancy department of redundancy.

    • @outerspace9392
      @outerspace9392 Před 4 lety +5

      Whats the use for two driver side mirrors ? Did people do that before?

    • @hopkin2006
      @hopkin2006 Před 4 lety +10

      @@outerspace9392 I am not sure. But I do know most Japanese manufacturers put the side mirrors further up front on the front fenders instead of at the front windows. On most Japanese cars back in the 70s and the 80s. The Brits also did the same on a few of their cars during the 70s.

    • @keyboardwarrior327
      @keyboardwarrior327 Před 4 lety +19

      The Marina was a pretty small car, and it looks like the visibility would be pretty good, and that one has 3 side view mirrors. Meanwhile in the same era, someone could buy an 18 foot Cadillac Calais and get it with only a driver's side mirror, and none on the passenger side. And those are not easy to see out of at all. Very weird.

    • @cpmenninga
      @cpmenninga Před 4 lety +3

      Keyboard Warrior in a Cadillac you’re only ever entering, or driving in the passing lane. Even if you’re going 55 mph. You don’t need the passenger mirror.

  • @bobpendlebury3733
    @bobpendlebury3733 Před 3 lety +7

    I had an Allegro from new in 1997 and found it completely perfect.
    Some dubbed it the "all aggro"...a tad unfair!
    Bob, Hove

    • @nathanjw2200
      @nathanjw2200 Před 3 lety +1

      allergic.

    • @petermc2183
      @petermc2183 Před 2 lety

      Na ! They just made many owners agro

    • @timwingham8952
      @timwingham8952 Před rokem

      Erm....from new in 1997?? Had it been lurking unsold in a dealership for 20 plus years?

  • @dagatti1200
    @dagatti1200 Před 3 lety +3

    3:57 My petrolhead friend and I discussing about cars

  • @christschinwon
    @christschinwon Před 5 lety +127

    My Dad had a Marina. He said it handled like a cow on roller skates!

    • @taunokekkonen5733
      @taunokekkonen5733 Před 3 lety +11

      That's quite unflattering for the cow.

    • @Ampex196
      @Ampex196 Před 3 lety +5

      @@taunokekkonen5733 They were not nearly as bad as Clarkson would have you believe.
      The 1.8TC sounded like an MGB and was huge fun to drive once you properly learned its handling characheristics.
      Treat it with any dis-respect and it would surely 'bite you back'!

    • @malcolmclements9254
      @malcolmclements9254 Před 3 lety +1

      Funny, or maybe a bathtub on a skateboard?

    • @richardnixon4345
      @richardnixon4345 Před 3 lety

      No, that was his missus in the sack

    • @ianrepsch
      @ianrepsch Před 3 lety +1

      Nonsense, my old dad also had one from new, but he loved it and was very upset when it failed its mot after 20 odd years due to rust and was scrapped. As a 12 year old I thought it was very sporty, it was the coupe version. Looking back now, it really was a pile of crap, I drove it once, it vaguely went in the direction you turned the wheel at and the brakes barely worked a frightening experience.

  • @LakeHowellDigitalVideo
    @LakeHowellDigitalVideo Před 5 lety +76

    In their defense, the Chrysler Sebring hadn't been produced yet.

    • @sukhmaidickoff
      @sukhmaidickoff Před 3 lety +2

      ..or the MG Maestro

    • @billymercury3897
      @billymercury3897 Před 2 lety +1

      Or a P.T. Cruiser
      Or a Pontiac Aztek

    • @Benny---
      @Benny--- Před 2 lety +2

      @@billymercury3897 At least the PT cruiser and the Aztek were reasonably reliable and practical cars, despite being horrendously ugly.

  • @johnedwards1685
    @johnedwards1685 Před 2 lety +5

    My best friend’s Dad bought a Marina 1800TC new. The big thing that he loved about that car was that it had the MGBGT engine. It was certainly a status thing back then. I got to go on holiday with them in that car and remember the peculiar black vinyl seats that you stuck to on a hot day. I thought the car was a good looking piece back then, I was twelve years old.

  • @sneakyfox4651
    @sneakyfox4651 Před 3 lety +1

    My first car was the 1.8 liter Marina Coupé, beige with brown vinyl roof. My dad got it from a scrap yard and restored it, mainly rebuilding the supporting chassis a couple of places were it was totally rusted away.
    Since I didn't have any other cars to compare it to, I thought that handling was jsut fine. OK, it had a very loose back end, but a cement sidewalk tile in the boot saw to that, and a blanket over the nappa back seat prevented passengers from having the skin burnt off their legs in the summer heat.
    Except from the fuel gauge going bust, the Marina worked fine for the 14 months I had it. It died, however, on a very cold morning when I first rammed a Volvo that had blocked the lane on a left turn, trying first to brake on black ice, then trying to swerwe around it. The left front fender took the hit and blocked the wheel, so I had to leave it there, only to find out a couple of hours later that an old Lada had rammed my Marina on the same spot of black ice.
    Both cars (well, the car and the Lada) were scrapped after this.
    Now, for a lad of just 18 years of age, having his own car as the only one in his high school class, I didn't care that it was a Marina. It did it's job and did it more or less without incidences.
    Since it was the 1.8 liter model, it was quicker than my dad's 1.6 liter Mazda 626, but there was no comparing in built quality.
    It was also faster than my subsequent 1.6 liter 1982 Ford Taunus (Cortina).
    Many years later I got myself a well-worn Saab 9000, and today I drive a Saab 93 Sedan. However, I consider "downgrading" to a 9000 if I can find one in mint condition.

  • @jaggass
    @jaggass Před 8 lety +620

    those houses looked liked they belonged to an army base or coal mine

    • @hf3923
      @hf3923 Před 5 lety +24

      they're housing estates

    • @HotpointForever
      @HotpointForever Před 5 lety +62

      Looks like ex army housing like you say.

    • @Sam-wh4of
      @Sam-wh4of Před 5 lety +19

      I was thinking army estate, I have friends who live on similar estates and the gardens are all plain as they're not allowed to modify them very much.

    • @paulscaife7677
      @paulscaife7677 Před 4 lety +4

      What's wrong with a Coal Mine

    • @davidfletcher2162
      @davidfletcher2162 Před 4 lety +30

      @@paulscaife7677 emphysema

  • @HRHooChicken
    @HRHooChicken Před 8 lety +1344

    The Marina symbolises the slow death of the British car industry, that's why I think it's ugly. It's not necessarily a bad looking car, but whenever you look at it you think of bad quality, incompetent managers, greedy and selfish workers, no care, no innovation and no respect for the customers. That's why this car is hated. These cars are British Leyland on wheels.

    • @jonathanewer5910
      @jonathanewer5910 Před 7 lety +166

      "bad quality, incompetent managers, greedy and selfish workers, no care, no innovation and no respect for the customers"
      This pretty much sums up the malaise that has afflicted Britain since the war. You could be describing any number of entities here from councils to political parties, and from large corporations to sole traders.

    • @jonathanewer5910
      @jonathanewer5910 Před 7 lety +16

      JUST SNIFFIN I'm focusing on Brexit negotiations in a strong and stable manner

    • @anonUK
      @anonUK Před 6 lety +63

      "The British Leyland Concerto, in four movements, all of 'em slow, with a four hour tea break in between." Basil Fawlty, The Kipper and the Corpse, 1979.

    • @David-ud9ju
      @David-ud9ju Před 6 lety +34

      To be fair, that sums up the failings of capitalism in general.

    • @TheHorsebox2
      @TheHorsebox2 Před 6 lety +35

      I agree. Call me weird but the Marina wasn't outright ugly. In fact ok in a 70s sort of way. Like most BL motors it was woefully underdeveloped. Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't it supercede the Morris Minor and even inherited some of it's underpinnings?

  • @legioner9
    @legioner9 Před 3 lety +25

    Haha, such a great video. Jeremy attacking the cars in front of the owners is just hilarious. 😂😂

  • @ecrxft
    @ecrxft Před 2 lety +6

    That particular Marina in that colour doesn’t look terrible in my opinion. Reminds me of an old Ford Escort that’s put a bit of weight on and hasn’t showered in a few days. In regards to the Allegro, I’m really struggling 😂

    • @joeogle7729
      @joeogle7729 Před 8 měsíci

      It's a massive shame because Harris Mann who designed it got passed recently and his concept drawings for the allegro actually look quite good. And none of the Allegro's many shortcomings were actually his fault
      But a load of BL corporate twattery and politics ruined it into looking like the depressed blob we ended up getting.

  • @trodarjan
    @trodarjan Před 9 lety +510

    I really love this joke: "Look it got a square steering well! And I'd love to have been at the meeting when they decided to do this. Because someone must have stood up and said "I know, let's fit a square steering wheel" and instead of throwing pens at him, everyone else must have gone "square...good idea...""

    • @squarielman
      @squarielman Před 6 lety +11

      A few modern cars have square wheels !!!

    • @ETphonehome82
      @ETphonehome82 Před 6 lety +3

      @Mowog Green I think he was referring to another Clarkson's video, where Jeremy mocks U.S. cars of the '70s because of their styling

    • @jimbopaw
      @jimbopaw Před 6 lety +8

      What I imagine happened is that the boss or someone senior proposed a squared wheel, and someone stood up and said that it was a lousy idea, and everyone threw pens at him/her. 2 months later than person was fired.
      This is the kind of environment that produces square steering wheels, and it is commonly found in London.
      Maybe my story is the continuation of Jeremy's.

    • @jimbopaw
      @jimbopaw Před 6 lety +2

      Skodaman2 reinventing the wheel is acceptable when there is a valid motivation for it like understanding something or improving it. However I cannot come up with a reason for producing a square steering wheel other than "to be different" or as an ironic statement or a joke. None of these are valid reasons.

    • @ThePiquedPigeon
      @ThePiquedPigeon Před 6 lety +5

      It seems that the motivation for the square steering wheel was to avoid obstructing the driver's view of the dashboard's instrument cluster.

  • @bbycrts
    @bbycrts Před 4 lety +136

    My first car was a Marina. My second a Beetle. The Beetle made me miss the Marina.

    • @ericjackson9496
      @ericjackson9496 Před 4 lety +4

      Made me laugh that

    • @fivish
      @fivish Před 3 lety +8

      The VW 'beetle' was appauling in every respect.

    • @michaelm2502
      @michaelm2502 Před 2 lety +2

      Mine too! Reliable, handled good, loads of space and the bulletproof Series A engine from the 1275 mini. Burned oil like a bugger but never, ever let me down and wouldn’t die! Perfect college car:)

    • @n1kobefan
      @n1kobefan Před 2 lety

      @@fivish lol shut up WEJ

    • @weldedshilian6654
      @weldedshilian6654 Před 2 lety

      @@fivish ah yes, "Appauling" indeed

  • @mqbitsko25
    @mqbitsko25 Před 2 lety +3

    They sold the Marina in the States. My dad came home with a used Marina in 1979. "Runs like a little sewin' machine" he opined. My mother was the only person who could keep it running. She used a combination of baling wire, black electrical tape and "talking nice to it." If you insulted it it stopped running. I kid you not.

  • @albertomotors6901
    @albertomotors6901 Před rokem +2

    F1: uses Square steering wheels
    Allegro: *happy noises*

  • @fernweh8709
    @fernweh8709 Před 4 lety +64

    I love the enthusiasm of the owners

  • @lewis72
    @lewis72 Před 8 lety +141

    it's a very intriguing housing estate that he's driving round. There's absolutley no sign of life anywhere. no cars, no people, no TV aeriels, no dustbins, no curtains.
    Very odd.

    • @rx6180
      @rx6180 Před 8 lety +8

      It's a bit like Life On Mars. Very little superfluous traffic in most scenes in that. It would have cost too much to hire so many classic cars. Perhaps this was filmed yesterday and they gave Jezzer heavy make-up and a dark wig to make him look 35!

    • @arfski
      @arfski Před 8 lety +16

      That's so perfect that I reckon it's a military base, take a look at this point czcams.com/video/3UJfbunHVuc/video.html where you can see the block numbering halfway up the left hand side of the house.

    • @rx6180
      @rx6180 Před 8 lety +11

      You might be right. I haven't got knowledge of such things although in my line of work I have made the occasional delivery to contractors based on military sites so I know they are strange, almost 'The Prisoner' type places. Just using your link, letting it run on I spotted some other parked cars in the background at 2.11, when Jeremy is talking about cold steak and kidney pudding. One of the cars is a Maestro. So the area isn't completely devoid of other vehicles. There is a, or is it the (?) beige Allegro parked up there too.

    • @derekhallows9479
      @derekhallows9479 Před 7 lety +4

      Didn't you see the manikins on the park bench....

    • @rx6180
      @rx6180 Před 7 lety +4

      No, I've just watched it through again and didn't spot them. What time index do they appear at? I spotted a yellow Firenza in that cluster of distant parked cars, when Jezzer drove by in the Allegro. The Marina is parked up back there then. They must have been production crew's cars. The only traffic and signs of life in that weird deserted toy-town.

  • @MinutemanOutdoors
    @MinutemanOutdoors Před 3 lety +5

    This CZcams channel of old top gear clips is the only thing keeping new top gear alive.

  • @thatcheapguy525
    @thatcheapguy525 Před rokem +2

    the Allegro looks better today than it did when it was produced. one of the prettiest cars in estate form ever made too. shame it wasn't a hatchback because the market would have come to it. the Marina was actually a very good car at the time, it was very old school British and did everything a 1970s car needed to.

  • @SuperAggripa
    @SuperAggripa Před 9 lety +170

    My Dad had a poo brown Marina, at the time I thought it was bloody fantastic.

    • @infrasleep
      @infrasleep Před 5 lety +25

      That's because the other car he could have had was the Allegro !

    • @scootergeorge9576
      @scootergeorge9576 Před 4 lety +3

      @@infrasleep - Was probably illegal to import the Trabant. That was probably a good thing.

    • @garydunn3037
      @garydunn3037 Před 4 lety +1

      You should have gone to Spec-Savers mate.

  • @peter9180
    @peter9180 Před 6 lety +12

    I had a neighbor who had a Marina, he was very happy with it, his previous vehicle had been a Reliant Robin.

    • @MetalTrabant
      @MetalTrabant Před 4 lety +10

      After a Reliant, people surely learn to appreciate small good things in a car, like a 4th wheel...

    • @patagualianmostly7437
      @patagualianmostly7437 Před 3 lety +4

      My Dad bought a Reliant Regal, his previous vehicle was a bicycle.
      So at least he was making progress, albeit slowly.

  • @vonkaiser5114
    @vonkaiser5114 Před 2 lety +6

    What is the music that plays whenever the Allegro is on screen? 0:05

  • @tonyb9735
    @tonyb9735 Před 6 měsíci +1

    The original concept for the Allegro was stunning.

  • @winchuni22
    @winchuni22 Před 7 lety +320

    Marina is not the worst looking car ever made. The Allegro, however!

    • @arunparkin2552
      @arunparkin2552 Před 5 lety +25

      winchuni22 have you seen the new Toyota C-HR? Easily one of the ugliest cars ever made!

    • @solangoose8372
      @solangoose8372 Před 5 lety +4

      @@arunparkin2552 It looks like a modern day Allegro!

    • @AmigaA-or2hj
      @AmigaA-or2hj Před 5 lety +9

      The Allegro is not that bad . But I prefer the Vanden Plas version.

    • @Florian00
      @Florian00 Před 4 lety +8

      Multipla is still the worst looking car

    • @TimSlee1
      @TimSlee1 Před 4 lety +3

      It looks similar to a Toyota corolla or a Datsun 510. In fact many small cars back then looked similar.

  • @stephenlarkin3690
    @stephenlarkin3690 Před 6 lety +24

    I had a Marina in about 1980. It went, it stopped and it kept the rain off. That"s what I wanted it for and that"s what it did. An entirely successful car in my opinion.

  • @RC-Flight
    @RC-Flight Před 3 lety +4

    I used to have an Austin Marina fast back in the late 70s it was dark Purple.
    Got it when I was 16. I think it was a 1973 model.

    • @williamgray697
      @williamgray697 Před 3 lety +2

      Had the same one, the only gripe was it jumped out of third gear. like the Sherpa van did.

    • @RC-Flight
      @RC-Flight Před 3 lety +2

      @William Gray mine had electrical problems with loose wire harnesses under the dash. And when it rained out the spark plug wires shorted out to the engine block LOL classic!!!

    • @williamgray697
      @williamgray697 Před 3 lety +2

      @@RC-Flight Them were the days when you opened the bonnet and you could see the road and be able to change dynamo, starter, water pump... Realistic times. Along with a laugh a minute.

    • @RC-Flight
      @RC-Flight Před 3 lety +2

      William Gray Yes nice and simple, you were able to fix your own car in the driveway. Mine had a problem with the steering wheel!
      It was on the left hand side😆🇨🇦. When I was a kid we had a Ford Cortina , another British style car. It rotted out so badly you could see the road beneath your feet if you pulled up the front or back floor mat and carpet. Ahh... the good old days. The salt that they used to put down on Canadian roads in the winter was really hard on 70-90 cars. Not so much a problem anymore. I guess they have better paints and metal protections now.

    • @robj9500
      @robj9500 Před 3 lety +1

      But surely the"Marina" was made by Morris?

  • @koitorob
    @koitorob Před 3 lety +1

    1982 i was 17 years old and bought my first car.
    A 1975 Morris Marina 1.3 Coupe.
    Loved it!
    Rear wheel drive.
    No bloody grip.
    Sideways was VERY easily achieved, and achieved often...
    I keep looking back at the hug engine bay and wondering how a modern engine with around 200BHP would feel.
    Probably great right up until the point of impact! lol

  • @busterrabbit
    @busterrabbit Před 6 lety +10

    The Marina was basically a Morris Minor, even the same horrible trunnion/upright front suspension. With the 1.8 B series engine they were quite quick (for the time) but they couldn't get around corners! Also note the Marina has wipers for Left Hand Drive, on a Right Hand Drive car!

  • @MagicMagikarp1
    @MagicMagikarp1 Před 8 lety +136

    Dammit Myrtle! They already invented a square steering wheel!

    • @paulfed2257
      @paulfed2257 Před 6 lety +5

      Clarkson motor world

    • @5610winston
      @5610winston Před 6 lety +2

      Imperial....

    • @paulfed2257
      @paulfed2257 Před 6 lety

      what??

    • @5610winston
      @5610winston Před 6 lety +3

      Sixties Imperial automobiles from Chrysler Corporation used a rectangular steering wheel.

    • @Chris_Troxler
      @Chris_Troxler Před 4 lety

      I knew somebody would remember that.🤣

  • @badwrench13
    @badwrench13 Před 2 lety

    ". . . and make sure it's cold, and lumpy."😆😆😆😆

  • @jackthomas5250
    @jackthomas5250 Před 3 lety +1

    My parents bought a new Allegro in 1982. It leaked oil onto the driveway from day one! The dealership said it was a design fault, nothing they could do. In winter the heater was so useless it was warmer in the car with it off! Demister...what demister? Wheel bearings going every five mins, new clutch after just 5 months and after a year there was more rust on the body than a North Sea wreck!

  • @ilikezappa
    @ilikezappa Před 9 lety +130

    I had a "Shit Brown" Allegro . I "customised" it by fitting an aftermarket T shifter gear lever , and could not get near it afterwards , because of all the babes pressing themselves against it . That was what Swindon was like in the 70`s . People don`t believe me.

    • @iSkully99
      @iSkully99 Před 7 lety +60

      This says more about the general population of Swindon rather than the Allegro.

    • @dermot51
      @dermot51 Před 7 lety +15

      My brother had a " Cadburys galaxy chocolate brown" mark II Escort with " go slower stripes" down the side . 0 to 60 in 10 minutes. vrooooom!!!!

    • @SpectreoUK
      @SpectreoUK Před 6 lety +4

      - Swindon
      Nah, I could definitely believe you.

    • @excessbastion
      @excessbastion Před 6 lety +3

      is that a dream sequence?

    • @spudgunn8695
      @spudgunn8695 Před 4 lety +2

      Isn't Swindon still like that today?

  • @TopStrikerMaverick
    @TopStrikerMaverick Před 5 lety +45

    4:09 “I like princesses” lmao, someone pls isolate that quote.

  • @richardhall263
    @richardhall263 Před 3 lety +38

    I had a Marina estate company car, and it was fine. Never let me down and was a good work horse. Top gear has to understand that most of us struggle to purchase any type of car. We have to be grateful for what we can get.

    • @khankrum1
      @khankrum1 Před 3 lety +1

      I always wanted an E Type Jag. But the best I could ever afford was a second hand Marina. Clarckson is just a priveledged, childish snob that has no ides how to survive on an ordinary weekly wage!

    • @BlatentlyFakeName
      @BlatentlyFakeName Před 3 lety +1

      There are lots of good, cheap cars around now.
      Most of the Audis etc have pretty terrible handling anyway. Just fashion items.

    • @Lamster66
      @Lamster66 Před 3 lety +2

      @@BlatentlyFakeName
      "There are lots of good, cheap cars around now."
      Yeah Where exactly?
      I'm seeing Cars the same model as I already have going for more money than I paid for the one I bought 9 years ago. and with a lot more milage than mine had at the time when I bought it. For a car thats maybe 3 or 4 years newer than mine now but effectively 5 years older than mine was when I bought it Go Figure!
      My Idea of a cheap car is under £2-3K. Currently I'm Not seeing anything worth buying for under £7K and for that your getting some Dogged out BMW Audi VW or Ford with 150K on it and about 15 owners.Or a cat C,D,S, or N.
      Unless you look at some 6 year old 1.2l litre crapbox with 40K on it where the low milage is down to the previous owner not wanting to be seen out in it then you're shit out of luck if its a decent car your after.
      Maybe I'm deluded but I'd have thought for £7K You'd be able to buy a car that's under 7 years old with under 80Kmiles on it and has better performance than a milkfloat. 0-60 in 8s or less isn't a big ask? ( Thats not fast IMO)
      Whats with the Car Tax. Some large cars are £30 a year or even free. and a similar model a year or 2 older or even newer is £150-200 .
      I get why My 2 cars cost £305 and £340 to tax and my wife's car £30
      I also get that some cars are £550. What I dont get is how an Identicle car with the same engine and BHP Varies across 5 years of Manufacture. From £200 for pre 2011 £30 for 2011-2014 then £150 for cars later than 2016. And meanwhile a similar size car with similar power output from another manufacturer is exempt from tax altogether?

    • @BlatentlyFakeName
      @BlatentlyFakeName Před 3 lety +1

      @@Lamster66 Used prices have gone up over the last year because of lockdowns. Demand for new cars went off a cliff which pushed used prices up.
      Some of the low powered hatchbacks are loads of fun an cheap to run. Don't get hung up on BHP, some of these lightweight cars are really quick in the real world.
      Many of the £0 tax cars from a few years back were cheating. Especially VWs. They aren't all that reliable though especially after the "fix" was applied to remove the cheat.

    • @Lamster66
      @Lamster66 Před 3 lety

      @@BlatentlyFakeName
      Quite agree I'm well aware of power to weight. For the Past 20 odd years I've been smoking around in SAAB Aeros my daily is a Stage1 mapped 93aero
      Which goes pretty well.
      I was considering an Audi A4 or A5 diesel or a BMW.
      I have to commute about 1hr each way for work so the relative comfort of a medium sized car with a well equiped interior and enough power to eat up to motorway miles without thrashing it is what I'm after. I dare say I could buy something that will get me there and back reliably every day but I do like the feeling of
      feeling relaxed on what is essentially a boring drive.
      Never really had that when I had my XR3i.
      But yes prices have gone silly.
      When lockdown started I was seeing A4s around 10 years old going for around £3k now those same cars are £6-7k I nearly bought an Insignia 6-7 years old for under £3k now the same thing is at least £5k.
      As for SAAB Aeros I've got 2
      3 years ago I'd have been lucky to get a grand for both of them.
      Now you wont see an Aero less tha £1500 and a lowish milage one (under 100k)with be over £3-4k for a car 4 or 5 years newer than the one I have. And maybe 30-50k less miles.
      And whats with all these immaculate cars with shopping trolly dents scuffed alloys and scratches all over them?

  • @TheKnobCalledTone.
    @TheKnobCalledTone. Před 3 lety +8

    One simple improvement that could've made the Allegro at least a little more competitive is if BL had gone with a hatch instead of a boot.

  • @Sids60sSounds
    @Sids60sSounds Před 6 lety +91

    My Allegro's engine mounts kept snapping, so I ended up using Dexion. That done the trick

    • @guitarfoundry
      @guitarfoundry Před 6 lety +15

      i think they planned on using Dexion at the factory, but it was too expensive.
      my grandad had one..we spilt milk in the back when on a camping holiday..The constantly returned smell was utterly horrific..So bad that he actually sold it after the long, hot summer of 76...That pint of spilt milk was a blessing in disguise because even in the short time he had it, it was constant aggro..he died at the age of 68..If he'd never owned an All-aggro he'd probably made 80.

    • @Munkenba
      @Munkenba Před 6 lety +4

      It would have also done the trick to have never in the first place bought a car who's engine mounts are prone to periodic snapping. Might as well keep the wheelnuts on loose so you can take them off by hand.

    • @geespar1
      @geespar1 Před 5 lety

      Sids60sSounds The dexion is obviously stronger than the mounts!

    • @petergrantlloyd6754
      @petergrantlloyd6754 Před 3 lety

      @@guitarfoundry
      Oh that explains why my old man checked out at 55, some 3yrs after getting rid of he’s. I’d put it down to my 6 sisters tbh 😂😂

  • @matthewvwuk
    @matthewvwuk Před 9 lety +25

    Ah the good old 1970s when cars like the Austin Allegro & Morris Marina came out!
    If my memory serves me right the Marina came out in 1971 & the Allegro came out in 1973. In some ways I agree with Jeremy Clarkson regarding these cars because both of them had design faults from the word go considering the Marina derived from the Morris Minor & had the same suspension systems front & rear as per the Minor but at least the Allegro was a completely new car. An old friend of mine once had an old Marina & it never gave him a moments trouble, it was reliable until he sold it on! An old couple who used to live next door to my parents & sadly no longer with us had an old Allegro & again it was reliable & never broke down so everyone else's opinion is different to Jeremy Clarkson!

    • @1100HondaCB
      @1100HondaCB Před 9 lety +8

      Yes indeed. The Marina came out on a K or J plate (1971) a year after the Hillman Avenger and the Allegro came out in 1973 on an L plate. The Marina wasn't a bad car at all but if the suspension had been updated, instead of using that derived from the Minor (trunions), it would have done the car far more justice. Dad had a S-reg Marina from almost new and had the car for years. He never had much trouble with it and it got us as a family all over the UK many times. Dad recently passed away and he was attached to the Marina and regretted selling it to the local garage. The Marina was the family car of my childhood, so it is kind of special to me. I really wish Clarkson would stop being so derogative to the Marina.

    • @riverhuntingdon6659
      @riverhuntingdon6659 Před 7 lety +2

      Quite right. Front coil suspension with dampers rather than the ancient Minor setup might've sold it. An old friend had a Marina, nice little reliable car. BL should've done this with the newer "ITAL" Marinas at least ! It died of what most older cars died of, corrosion. Drove the Allegro's Dad myself, in the form of an ancient Wolseley 1100, fitted with a 1275 twin-carb lump. Lovely little car, drove much like a modern one, still miss it now. The Allegro was a revamp of the ADO16 design, it should've been better ! Someone please drop a piano on Clarkson...

    • @davidviner4932
      @davidviner4932 Před 6 lety

      I get that, I've had a lot of new cars over the years including many Audi's Mercs and a couple of Volvo's, but we've had an SMax for the last 6 years that has done every holiday on the continent. She now has 200000 miles on her clock and I am fond of her. original DMF, clutch, gearbox, turbo, injectors etc, just servicing every 12500 miles, I have another one too, doubt it will be as good

  • @rickmurray442
    @rickmurray442 Před 3 lety +2

    I travelled the Nullabor track in the 70s, rough unsealed track with big holes filled with bull dust. I came across a Marina broken down, with the whole right hand wheel and suspension broken off. Felt so sorry for the family, probably never got it repaired. 🇦🇺

  • @Stephan74
    @Stephan74 Před 4 lety +8

    I still love the allegro.

    • @galahad6300
      @galahad6300 Před 2 lety

      Honestly, it might make me smile more than a modern, new, 4 door sedan, something normal.
      Even a «bad» car explicits more emotion and joy than a boring modern thing.

  • @praetorian9943
    @praetorian9943 Před 6 lety +83

    I loved my marina.
    I was young, my first car.
    It was beige and I felt like a millionaire!
    I dont remember it being bad it unreliable or anything and I was just proud to own a car!
    LOL
    Nostalgia

    • @ganeshmenoncat8072
      @ganeshmenoncat8072 Před 4 lety

      How old were you then

    • @philgray1023
      @philgray1023 Před 3 lety +6

      My cousin got one as a brand new company car. He travelled exactly 11 miles before the first breakdown. There were no bolts holding the carburettor on. Ignoring this as an anomally, I stupidly bought one. It failed its first roadworthy because the front shock absorbers weren't. I took it for its second roadworthy 12 months later and again the front shock absorbers weren't. It then took to not starting hot. Which meant you went to the shops and arrived home 6 hours later. Sometimes on the same day. Mechanics changed jobs rather than attempt any more repairs. When I took it to trade in, we drove in, then the guy asked me to park it, you guessed it. They pushed it into the parking spot.

  • @lukedodson3267
    @lukedodson3267 Před 5 lety +13

    The Allegro seriously looks like Matt Lucas was transformed into a car.

  • @1066wastrel
    @1066wastrel Před 3 lety +1

    at the European launch of the Marina, after driving it, the car journalists had a meeting (amongst themselves) & went back to the Morris folks & asked them to have a rethink & redesign of the car before releasing it to the public, they changed, well, not much really, & the rest is history! (they built an Ital version, it didn`t help)!

  • @craigkaschan4822
    @craigkaschan4822 Před 3 lety +1

    I’d hate to have an argument with Clarkson I’d die laughing.

  • @AndyR072
    @AndyR072 Před 4 lety +6

    A friend of mine had an Allegro in the early 90's he decided to change the Beige colour to a much cooler Black by hand painting it with Hammerite, You could see the brush strokes. Total shitbox

  • @datasilouk1995
    @datasilouk1995 Před 9 lety +44

    And to think the Ferrari LaFerrari also has a square steering wheel.

  • @Clem_Fandango11
    @Clem_Fandango11 Před 2 lety +1

    When I was in a band in my younger years, our guitarist had a marina with no glove compartment and half the dashboard missing. Driving to gigs on a cold winter evening was an experience. Never broke down though.

  • @TheTektronik
    @TheTektronik Před rokem +1

    "We want steak and kidney pudding thanks very much and make sure it's cold and lumpy"
    Nobody can phrase things like Jeremy Clarkson.

  • @Keepingitrespectfulmostly.
    @Keepingitrespectfulmostly. Před 4 lety +30

    "21 million pounds designing the Allegro" I had to rewind and play that again to see if I heard it right and unfortunately I had. No one does a car review like J C.

  • @_HAL_9001_
    @_HAL_9001_ Před 4 lety +31

    Allegro in actuality has a smaller turning circle compared to Marina but they needed to pull some more laughs from it I guess.

    • @MrSilnev
      @MrSilnev Před 4 lety +4

      This was from a program Clarkson did in the 90s before Top Gear.

    • @markmitchell450
      @markmitchell450 Před 3 lety +3

      Allegro had a larger turning circle purely because its a fwd car
      Triumph herald prob had one of the smallest turning circles

    • @_HAL_9001_
      @_HAL_9001_ Před 3 lety +1

      @@markmitchell450 There seems to be some misinformation about the Marina's turning circle. One place says it's 10.1m but other site states it as 31ft (Allegro 33ft) which would the make it 9.4m. OK, fine Allegro can't turn as good but all that show for a 0.6m. Really?

  • @obadiahspong2300
    @obadiahspong2300 Před 3 lety +1

    I went to Yugoslavia on holiday in 1979 and there was a fleet of Marina taxis running in Dubrovnik. I had a Marina for 3 years and it was a good workhorse.

    • @WarCrimeGaming
      @WarCrimeGaming Před 3 lety

      The Morris Marina really wasn't the worst BMC car, but still not a good car.

    • @obadiahspong2300
      @obadiahspong2300 Před 3 lety +1

      @@WarCrimeGaming For all its sins the Marina was a better car than the Beetle on comfort, space availably and road holding. Yet people still idolise the Beetle. I stand to correction but the Beetle was more expensive than the Marina at the time.

  • @williamlong7188
    @williamlong7188 Před 11 měsíci +1

    Good entertaining piece of video it cheered me up with a good laugh and a smile to start the day off.

  • @kanalratte1337
    @kanalratte1337 Před 7 lety +7

    "Make sure it's cold"
    - Jeremy Clarkson, 2:09

  • @rudolphbondefangerer5513
    @rudolphbondefangerer5513 Před 10 lety +34

    Marina was a very good car, had one for 15 years, just gave it oil and gas and new tires now and then. Never any problems what so ever. You dont even need to use the gearbox, set it in third and you go from 0 to legal speedlimit. Really miss her. Cheap and easy, a trip to Italy? Just change the oil and off you go. Wouldnt do that in a 15 years old BMW.

    • @scabbycatcat4202
      @scabbycatcat4202 Před 7 lety

      Yes indeed , and look at what they replaced them with. I had a Rover 416 si with the infamous K series engine. Just about everything that could have possibly gone wrong with a car DID go wrong on that vehicle. Glad to see the back of it.

    • @ronaldderooij1774
      @ronaldderooij1774 Před 5 lety +1

      Yes oil, lots of oil. Change it, refill it.... like, Always.

    • @captainhindsight8604
      @captainhindsight8604 Před 4 lety

      You would with an e39 or e38. Not a newer bmw tho

  • @menakles
    @menakles Před 3 lety +3

    My memory of the Marina is pushing my Dad's round a hospital carpark in the snow trying to bump start.

  • @warrenblain2365
    @warrenblain2365 Před 7 měsíci

    We had a Marina pickup, it used to fly. Also they we good doners for kit cars. Grandma used to take us to school in an Allegro sometimes, terrifying. Apart from the square steering wheel, which doesn't instill confidence, she had the habit of turning the engine off every time we went downhill. Lucky we weren't aware that steering locks had been invented.

  • @HEDGY_RACING
    @HEDGY_RACING Před 4 lety +7

    0:19 Corvette C8 Design meeting 😂

  • @mrobe48942
    @mrobe48942 Před 11 lety +6

    I have had 3 Marina's and also used to drive my Dads square steering wheeled Allegro. All 4 were good for the time and did what they were supposed to do, get from A to B. I definately would not class them as bad cars. Ordinary, yes,bad ,no.

  • @breakingaustin
    @breakingaustin Před 2 lety +1

    Maybe at the Marina meeting, the guy stood up with the square wheel idea and was promptly thrown through the window of the office.

  • @paulchadwick7198
    @paulchadwick7198 Před 3 lety

    My Mum wanted an Allegro as it looked nice; a new 2 door 1500cc maroon thing (a sort of non-coupe) with maroon interior and Webasto roof appeared via Tamplins of Twickenham, with the trademark oil leak. First thing my Dad did after driving it (letting the quartic wheel bump through his hands when turning..) was replace the steering wheel with a round one. It had 5 forward gears, but 5th was so baulky we hardly ever used it, preferring to let the pig scream in 4th. In a moment of misjudgement, I took it up to uni in Scotland for a couple of terms in 1979; it easily was the uncoolest car around, and it was only 5 years old. I can remember its reg, HLC383N. Bet it's long gone to the scrappy, probably in 1982 immediately after my parents sold it. Mum took over my 1.3L Escort Estate, a thoroughly engineered car - what a difference!

  • @lordzubairmasood749
    @lordzubairmasood749 Před 4 lety +3

    What a British reaction at 03:23

  • @GrotrianSeiler
    @GrotrianSeiler Před 6 lety +5

    Those two owners were AWESOME.

  • @aleksajojevic3959
    @aleksajojevic3959 Před 3 lety +1

    At the end I was like....Where's the piano?

  • @arunparkin2552
    @arunparkin2552 Před rokem +1

    I've sat in that very Allegro, VRF144L, and seen it at shows. The owner's name is Collin.

  • @garrymactavish2964
    @garrymactavish2964 Před 6 lety +9

    I had the Allegro Esprite 1750 twin carb half leather with an after market sunroof that leaked, it was capable of 115mph

    • @johnj3577
      @johnj3577 Před 5 lety

      I thought it was the Equipe? Or was that the silver one with alloys wheels?

    • @owenlewis8006
      @owenlewis8006 Před 4 lety +1

      Doesn’t matter, it’s not true anyway. The fastest allegro would only just do a ton

    • @minot.8931
      @minot.8931 Před 3 lety

      The Speedo was working within tolerance then... 😅

  • @velisusi1
    @velisusi1 Před 5 lety +6

    I got driving license at 1982 and my first “car” was Marina Coupe 1,3 1973..... well. anyway I learned how to fix mechanical faults 👍😄

  • @DarrenHarrison7160
    @DarrenHarrison7160 Před 3 lety +1

    My first ever car was a Morris Marina van. I payed £50 for it in 1988. Chucked a single matters in the back and wired up two hifi speakers to the stereo. I was the king of Southend mate lol

  • @cuebj
    @cuebj Před 3 lety

    Learned to drive in a square steering wheel driving school Allegro. Car was a joke even when it was new but I passed first time with nothing but lessons I paid for (no practice at home and I had never driven before), lessons started by manoevering out of a small car park up a steep cobbled narrow side road down to Tunbridge Wells High Street. A lot of the lessons in dark in winter. A tribute to the instructor!

  • @haydngilchrist8619
    @haydngilchrist8619 Před 4 lety +19

    Can just imagine Jeremy in a business meeting throwing pens at someone 😂😂😂

    • @merino1869
      @merino1869 Před 3 lety +3

      There's an episode of Have I Got News For You with him as host where he throws a pen at Ian Hislop. And accidentally drew blood.

    • @SharpAsABricc
      @SharpAsABricc Před 2 lety

      Pen Minigun. Now

  • @t.v.fjordland558
    @t.v.fjordland558 Před 5 lety +8

    I saw this when it aired and got me an Allegro for my collection :-)

  • @jamesdavis5517
    @jamesdavis5517 Před 3 lety

    Brilliant location selection. Bravo to the producers!

  • @alloy299
    @alloy299 Před 3 lety +2

    I actually like the look of the Marina