Motorman takes the Indian Challenger through the Ride Like a Pro course!
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- čas přidán 20. 08. 2024
- A student finally showed up with a new Indian Challenger at my Ride Like a Pro class yesterday. In this video, you'll see me taking the Challenger through the exercises and my evaluation of the bike's low speed maneuverability. Of course, you'll see the other riders going through the course as well.
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Thanks Motorman. As you say, it's not the bike, it's the rider using the proper techniques. And, of course, practice, practice, practice.
Bought a Chieftain last June. Got a great dealership here in Winnipeg, Manitoba......I did 5+ hours of demo riding on the Chieftain and Challenger. I found for me i much preferred the low speed handling of the Chieftain. Voted with my wallet. This is my first cruiser and coming from a sport tourer (concours14) the low speed handling has been a bit of a challenge. Still a work in progress. Been riding for 50 years. It just simply different. I found i was more confident with the Chieftain plus I simply liked the old school aspect compared to the Challenger. Bought several of your videos and the book and they're helpful. Hope one day to attend one of your courses.
I had to view this again to watch you do that incredible stop in the last circle of the snowman to access the situation. Amazing Jerry!
Glad you enjoyed it!
@@motorman857 Always!
That's using a lot of words just to say "I'm short" ;) J/K. Love your videos. I'm in denial right now in Canada. Likely won't get to ride again for another 6 months. I've had your DVDs for a while now. Great resource. I ride an '18 Chieftain
I have a DCT Wing and I agree with you 100% Motorman. I have taken the class on my 08 Wing and my DCT. I feel like the 1500 to 2000 rpm range and using the brake is hard on the motorcycle unlike using the friction zone of the clutch. I love the DCT but regularly tell folks if you enjoy chasing cones in parking lots, get a bike with a clutch...
Good overview of the Indian in low speed technique
100% professional.
Love the demonstration on the Challenger. I'm hoping that is my next bike and it's helpful to see what it can and cannot do.
And even with these minor limitations we ought to have no issues on the streets!
Great riding ,true master.
Thanks ✌️
Every turn I make no matter what, I make it as tight as I can just to keep proficient in U turns
Very good demonstration! Master shows how to do it on the best way))
Riding the King of the Baggers!
You have the best videos on CZcams for bikes. Thanks for sharing them.
I have been riding since I was a kid. I'm 52 now. I have taken an Advanced class and still learn as much as I can.
Thank you.
Love the demo on the Challenger.
Excellent class.
Glad you liked it!
I was actually considering a Victory when they pulled the plug in favor of concentrating on the Pretindian brand .
The new bikes under the Indian brand may be good but I'm annoyed at them buying a brand name that is one of the most significant in motorcycling history .
If I ever found a pre 53 Indian I'd love to own one .
I'm also not into the Triumph reboots because I owned a 78 Bonneville that although it had its issues as did my 74 Norton Commando they were fantastic bikes .
Victory had built a decent following and weren't trying to live off a brand that had been Dead for 60 plus year's .
Now this is just my opinion but in no way do I judge people that ride Indians or Triumphs etc .
Although of the 36 bikes I've owned most of which were Japanese models my present Harley Dyna that I've got 60,000 Miles on impresses me with it's reliability and the little things like self cancelling turn signals that really never seemed like a big deal but makes daily riding much more convenient.
If I was buying a new bike at this point in time it would likely be the Bmw r18 because I've always wanted a BMW Airhead and the R18 is the king of all Airheads lol
Finally a real bike on this channel
I also owned a VTX 1800 great bike
you the man.
I’m getting a challenger. It’s just too damn fast to pass up. Victory was the #1 but sadly those days are over.
Indian does have a reduced reach seat for that bike.
Doesnt fix the maneuverability
@@BikerJim74 No, but he complained about the reach. It's an easy solution. Not a cheap one though, although bars would be more with labor factored in. Something someone would have to consider if the bike didn't fit them if they we shorter than then ergonomics the bike was designed around. Conversely if you are tall, changes would have to be made too. See Traveling Tall's video on that bike.
Going to get to that indian scout test ride now that the weather is a bit cooler in Tampa?
I would like to see how to pick it up without crash bars I would imagine it would be very difficult
Did You see King Of The Baggers @ Laguna Seca?
Are you are referring to the fact that Indian had both bikes Podium and several Harleys DNF? Racing on a track like that and chasing cones are 2 different things. Jerry is a Harley guy and leans towards Harley....I have not heard him be negative towards ANY brand. I am a Honda guy ( I do not really care for Harley)who ABSOLUTELY loves Indians. I rode 500 plus miles to do an Indian Demo. So all that jibber jabber and I guess I could have said, yes I saw it, what is your point? Ride safe
I don't know what you mean by ''a Harley guy''. I ride a Harley because it fits my needs. If there was another make that fit my needs better, I'd ride that bike.
@@motorman857 Like I said , I have never heard you say anything negative about any brand of motorcycle. it is clear that you like Harley and sure, that is what fits your needs. There is not a better reason to prefer something. I hope you do not, are not taking my comment as negative. I too ride what fits my needs.
Great info🖖🏼
So the great debate is hydraulic or cable clutch?
How does Challenger compare with The Victory Cross Country? The Vic is a great bike for cruising the vastness of The Australian Outback, but I have to work really hard to get thru The Offset Cone Weave. Although The U-Turn wasn't too difficult.
The Victory was much more nimble than the Challenger. The Victory has a better lean angle and the handlebars turn much further from lock to lock.
Is there a class Like the one you offer in the Branson Missouri area?
You can find the classes that Mr. Palladino teaches at RideLikeaPro.com There are also other classes listed in different areas.
Thanks for the video. They are always informative. I just got a Challenger and am still breaking it in so it is very helpful to see it's turning limits. Have you tried the Road Glide in the course? It has a slightly shorter wheelbase than the Challenger so am curious if that makes a difference.
Here ya go czcams.com/video/q6FnCgBdGuc/video.html
@@motorman857 A road glide is a sport bike with a fairing and tons of torque!
@@motorman857 Thanks! The shorter wheelbase makes a difference.
Would like to see you demo a Honda F6b.
Watch the above video. There's a F6B in the class.
Hows this compair to a victory cross country? I know you said it doesn't handle as well as a harley. I own the cross country and I know you used to ride vics.
The Victory was better at low speed maneuverability.
@@motorman857 good to know! Love my vic!
kinda looks like the popo kz1000
Ya know, you're right. It does.
...will be interesting to see if any motor police get these bikes...anyone know of any?
For not being the most maneuverable, you sure made it look easy.
Yes and Eric Clapton can make a 100 dollar POS Chinese guitar sound great. What can the average untrained ''experienced'' rider do with that bike? Watch 5:20 and 6:10 in this video to answer that question.
@@motorman857 Yeah, but I doubt he would have done better on a HD at that point. I get it's prolly not the bike for doing a rodeo, but it should be okay to do the occasional U turn on. Hell, I can't do it that smooth on the HD. So easy to apply a hair too much brake and have it discombobulate the path. Always takes me a few passes before I get one I like. And they ain't never as tight as you were doing on that Challenger.
@@saddle8bag The point is if your having problems with low speed turning, the Challenger will amplify the lack of skills.
wow
Can you teach how to ride in the rain? I don't see any video's of yours riding in the rain. And what do the police wear to keep warm in the winter? I Never see a motorcycle cop wear a winter motorcycle jacket or leather outfit. i ride Honda cbr650f not a big touring motorcycle.
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Motorman, is their any specs out there I could use to make my own course to practice with some cones I have?
Yes. If you call 866-868-7433 between 9am and 9PM E/S time and order Short Cuts to Riding like a Pro and Surviving the Mean Streets dvd's (20 bucks for both video's) you will get a booklet with all the specs on how to set up the exercises.
@@motorman857 that's a big 10-4!
You’re no 1 tiger 🐅
I test rode a Chieftain and it had different ride modes. I assume you were in the standard or maybe even tour mode as I found the sport mode too aggressive for slow speed maneuvering.
I've noticed throttle response to be on the lazy side on every Indian I've ridden including all the models I have in my Ride Like a Pro on your Indian video. That actually helps in low speed turns.
Just curious if a lot of bikes get dropped during your training course?
It happens when riders try to turn at 5mph or less.
@@motorman857 Thanks.
So do you think the Challenger is less maneuverable than the Chief Vintage? I have the Chief Vintage, which is notoriously long and clumsy at tight turns. But I can turn it within 24’ and I admittedly haven’t worked up the nerve to put it in a full lock yet.
It depends which year Vintage. The early ones with a 68''wheelbase were worse than the Challenger. But I've heard newer ones have a shorter wheelbase and rake. I'm not sure when the change was made.
@@motorman857 ah ok. I got a leftover 2019, which was the last year before they changed it in 2020. I knew I was getting the longer rake but the deal was too good. It was a leftover that sat through the COVID shutdown and they wanted it out of there already, so I took advantage. 😄
Harley was. Indian Challenger is.
Motorman, with the DCT, maybe just put the bike in manual mode?
The only thing that would make the DCT easier to ride at low speeds would be to start of in 2nd or 3rd gear. That's not possible on the Wing. It starts off in first gear regardless of if it's in manual or automatic mode.
@@motorman857 Thanks. I have a "regular" 2012 wing... would love to take your course at some point.
Question- I can do 19 foot circles on my 2019 Road Glide Special. Is it capable of 18? It feels like it but the stock bars are somewhat restrictive. I've raised them as high as they will go. Thank you.
If you tighten up the nut behind the handlebars it will do 16ft u-turns as shown in this link czcams.com/video/q6FnCgBdGuc/video.html
Honda Fury next lol..I'd give it a 50-50 shot of making it through the course.
On the snowman a Fury will have to be at full lock to make it. Remember, the Fury isn't a motorcycle. ''it's a chopper'' czcams.com/video/2ue996GQMC8/video.html
" Chopper, sic cones "
A little Stand By Me humor. 😁
I'll just go to the corner of the lot and turn right hand circles now. 😖
Is there a police department anywhere that rides Indians? Only bikes I've ever seen cops riding are Harleys, Kawis and Beemers.
Not that I know of.
YOU won't ride a DCT cause you don't need the reputation of being...
A SHIFTLESS bastard!
(after the surprise GRETA on that 1 video, payback...)lol always
Motorman...sorry...do take care Jerry, as you're a good man with 'good cheer' - Ben Franklin said that
AFTER you handed him that key...