Midnight Motorist; The Debate For FNAF's Simplest Minigame
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- čas přidán 5. 07. 2024
- Midnight Motorist is a simple minigame... right? It's one of the only times we actually get to see what happens, instead of having to interpret a metaphorical sequence.
But, of course, nothing is ever quite so simple in FNAF. There are different interpretations for the straight forward events we're shown, and it's hard to figure out which one is correct.
Thus, in this video, we'll explore both of the most popular versions of MM, though of course, the details will change between people.
Michael!Runaway? BV!Runaway? Which one do you believe? Which one do I believe? Let's try to get everything we know straight.
A simple minigame: 00:00
The two (main) answers: 2:18
A small clarification: 2:50
The ramifications of MM: 4:27
The matter of the 'grave': 5:43
The person on the couch: 8:19
That's not going anywhere: 12:31
The runaway: 12:48
Another dead end: 20:15
The animatronic outside: 20:39
That's enough: 28:05
Both theories' strong and weak points: 28:34
My personal take: 29:10
Conclusion: 35:48
Okay, so, I’ve seen enough people bring it up to mention it.
There is a commonly held belief that the person in the couch is named ‘man sitting’ in the files. This is false. You can check here: imgur.io/a/pRO9A
There isn’t a texture file called ‘man sitting’ anywhere in the MM files (‘big man’ is orange guy, btw). I believe they’re actually referred to as “backdrop [number]”
Unless this comes from somewhere else in the files, which I don’t see how it could, the ‘man sitting’ file name is just a myth.
The part that's indisputable is that William drunk-drives into oncoming traffic at 200 mph in order to get home to berate his son faster.
Well, i think that mike is the kid that run away yes, but i think the person in the coach is just bv watching fredbear and friends
Interesting take, I've never heard it before! I think that's a decent possibility, but I'm not sure why the meek BV would ask William to leave Michael alone. Still a good theory! This minigame is just really confusing no matter how you look at it XD
The part of "bad day" i think is because mike is bullying crying child over and over again, and can be mike bullying crying child because willian test the nightmares with mike, so the torture of mike is trow in crying child, thats why i think he scared of the animatronics
@@Silent_N_Productions i think that text is not saying crying child, but Willian himself for his son
@@Silent_N_Productions for one thing, ms afton in my opinion die or missing by the charlie death in 1983, and have to be before the bite
Plenty of kids want to go to chuck e cheese and then cry when the animatronics or mascots come out. So the fact that he is scared of the animatronic but likes the plusses is fine imo. Also sibling tease(yes he pushes it to far but he's a teenager) and protect each other all the time ESPECIALLY when you have an abusive parent.
Very fair points! Yeah, as an older brother myself, I’m aware brothers can be protective even if they tease each other, I just forgot to add it in the video :v
Michael puts his younger brother into a jaw of Freddbear, I don't see how he can be seen as protective if he did it
If he only spooked him once or twice is one thing, but the whole lead up to the bite of '83 does not show Michael as possibly protective to a degree -> he without a second thought puts his brother in metal animatronic that opens and closes its mouse - which obviously can be dangerous because it might not stop when something is in its way
He does not thinl through his action - his character before cc's death is careless, he does not come as even closely protective
Questionning your own theory to get the best is very good and logical, also it's hard. When made in a level that fits if you give your own opinion at the end, it can be unique to you and this can be prefered by the audience. I think you'll get popular, with an explosion, or slowly. Hope you don't give up.
I’m very happy you think that! Thanks for the encouragement!
Scott, making FNAF 6: "Right, that's cleared that up then."
I still think that Henry being the couch person is the answer everyone misses despite it being super based
Like after the Crying Child dies William's marriage falls apart and Henry takes him and his son in (the wifey has the old house, as well as having custody of Elizabeth most of the time, unless this is after Elizabeth's death, but I doubt it). Mrs. Afton doesn't care about Mike though because he got the Crying Child killed). The pawprints are probably Crying Child-possessed Fredbear coming to hang with Mike, JR's can be a bar that William is banned from, and the "grave" might be a place where Henry buried the Fredbear suit to forget about it (hence how the Crying Child would be near enough by to use his teleportation powers to visit Mike). Mike of course runs off to that grave because he hangs out with his brother there.
(This makes more sense than it being the Crying Child's grave because this clearly isn't the same house as the one the Crying Child was living in when he died and also why wouldn't he be buried in a graveyard anyways?)
(Another thing that makes more sense is the couch person being Henry simply because Mike wouldn't tell William to go easy on the Crying Child, and even though Mrs. Afton is Mike's mother I don't know if she'd care about him much after he got his brother killed.)
This taking place just after Charlotte's murder can still make sense because Henry may have dropped her off at her friend's birthday party and hadn't gone to pick her up yet. Charlie crawled into the alley so her death may have yet to be noticed and it's not like she would've had a smartphone on her that'd make it easy to notify her dad in the 80's or whatever.
Also, about the bit about this being before Elizabeth's death, it's made pretty clear in FNAF world that Henry probably built Baby and was aware of the mistake he made in doing it (on top of the whole "Baby might be Mimic v1 and originally made to be Charlotte's friend" thing lol). Henry has no motivation to give Baby (and the other Funtimes) child-killing features unless he's trying to bring his own daughter back. And yes he's probably the one who did it since Lefty's blueprints and descriptions of features are identical in style to the Funtimes' blueprints.
Edit: about the windows thing, the way the house is shaped in MM is such complete nonsense that I don't think the house's layout really matters.
Edit edit: I also don't think Golden Freddy would show up to torture Michael. The Crying Child is very timid, and the last thing he hears Michael say to him is a very genuine apology. I think he either sought out Michael due to loneliness, or he was wandering around and found the house, where he happened to see Michael. Michael bursts out through the window to get to him, and he teleports away. Then Michael heads out to where the Fredbear suit was buried, which he already visits frequently to grieve. In fact, I think either way this was the first time Golden Freddy approached the house, as if Michael has seen him before he has no reason to break a window and run up to him. The Crying Child may have even decided to seek Michael out after listening to Michael talk to him at the "grave".
Edit edit edit: Also if William kills Charlie before the Crying Child dies, then you need a new motivation for William to kill Charlie.
yeah henry is another possibility on couch person, fits way better with the sprite being named "man sitting"
possibly mike i think could tell william to lay off bv because he does show empathy when really bad thigns happen to bv like after the bite, and since the runaway kid was having a bad day, couch guy being micheal could possibly show sympathy, that or his father is just way more brutal and mike tries to prevent that
as well i do agree with this being before elizabeth's death, i dont think henry built baby due to grief of loosing charlie in the game universe due to william discussing features to add with the engineers in the beginning sl cutscene, the blueprint concepts having all the killing features with william afton LLC and knowing william at least designed some of the sl blueprints (unless the general concept was stolen and reused with killing features), and i dont really think there's any connections between desk guy and henry due to henry still being alive while desk guy dies (perhaps desk guy was someone like an engineer working with william adding the features like ones that we hear william talking to in the sl cutscene)
personally, i dunno if micheal bursts out the window for seeing golden freddy specifically, as he seems to just run off the location a lot anyways, and i think he should just visit the grave in the morning and has little reasons for why william would want to prevent him from just going.
super genius thou, i never considered that a suit could be intentionally buried there by william or henry, or that the footprints could be there after the kid runs away
i also think william is just a crazy guy who loves killing with little logical reason for killing(until he discovers remnant magic and perhaps tries to harvest it to be immortal and restless), as he does so in other cannons despite not having lost family first, and the "wound first inflicted on me" part
Interesting take! I probably should have mentioned the possibility of Henry being the person in the couch, but it didn’t cross my mind since it’s basically the equivalent of Ms. Afton being there: Makes sense character-wise, but no real evidence (Someone brought up ‘man sitting’, but there actually isn’t a single texture file named that in MM. The couch person is just called “backdrop [number]”, I believe)
I like the idea of a suit being buried in the “grave”! Even if it *is* a bit odd. But again, can’t really know anything about that mound of dirt by itself, so.
I’m not sure about Henry building Baby. He may have done it in the books, but that Baby is very clearly different, as she’s a Charlie-bot. It depends on who the Desk Guy in FNAF World is, but considering he says the Update 2 games are “his”, I don’t think Henry works very well there.
Fair point about the window and BV, and interesting idea on Elizabeth being with her mom!
I would like to point out that William in the Silver Eyes trilogy kills Charlie without an inciting incident, but even if you want him to snap after the death of a family member, again, Ms Afton is a possibility.
Thanks for your comment, it was a fun read!
I guess a point that could be added onto Henry being couch guy is it gives him a reason to be away from his daughter at work. No sane parent would leave their child alone at a restaurant and as an owner of a small establishment with only one other location(Freddy's zero hypothetically)
For the exact reason that just happened to poor Charlie. ☠️
unless 1. The child is at a birthday or party under the care of other adults. 2. The. Restaurant is owned by the parent and trusts the security their ( security puppet). 3. While watching you business partner and possibly family friends kids while their off doing whatever (in this case excessively drinking and a little of murder).
I like the HenryCouch take, but I think CC is in the grave instead. Also, GamesBaby was definitely made by William, with Henry copying the design from William’s blueprints since one of Pizzeria Sim’s endings confirms that Henry had access to the Funtime blueprints by that time. Every other part of your theory, I agree with.
@@winston2443 Yeah, these are all good points!
Remember MM's house is not only located in a densely forested area (opposed to the vibrant neighborhood in FNAF 4) but William had to drive on a highway and an off beaten path just to get home "Later That Night" from a Fazbear's location (whether that's Fredbear's or a Freddy's is its own topic of debate). It's highly possible the Aftons moved after a death in the family.
Now, if we can figure out *WHO* was the death in the family, I'm pretty sure we can solve MM.
Definitely a strong possibility, I probably shouldn’t have brushed it off so easily in the video. Thanks for your comment!
It’s possible they are rich and have two houses. I know my parents do.
Ya that could maybe explain the grave I don’t know I would have to think about that
@@TheCollector2401 What does it feel like to be rich? Genuine question
The FNAF 4 start menu shows a lone house on a hill in a foresty area and doesn't look like the neighborhood in the minigames either. Never noticed that until you brought this up.
19:12
I find it kinda funny that everyone assumes the bite victim is some kind of pushover, and not just a traumatized child.
Truanatized children tend to lash out, him breaking a window makes sense, more sense than michael whos older and could proably just open it.
Fair point, I’ve never actually considered that possibility
FNaF 4 room and Evan's room are separate. FNaF 4 room is something like a experiment facility created by William I guess, not a real house to live in. Source: Observation rooms.
Valid interpretation! Honestly, I’m starting to believe that the more I think about it :p
I personally really like the possible interpretation of Henry being the person on the couch wathching tv, moslty because it would be a perfect explanation of where Henry was when Charlie died, not to say it is the most likely option just my favorite one and I wish it was more popular honestly because there is nothing that stop us of consider it
I just say this to adress the argument agaisnt Michael runaway, like Ms. Afton DOESNT HAS to be the only possible candidate for the person whatching TV on the Michael runaway theory necessarily, it could also be Henry perfectly and nothing much would change about it
Really good video, I liked a lot the way you handled two different theories, BVRA and MRA, recognizing the good and bad parts of boths, instead of just sitting with the one you believe in and trying to discredit the other.
As someone who believes in MRA, mainly because of the character actions fitting more with their personalities and the animatronic outside being shadow freddy is something I really dislike as an idea, I enjoyed a lot the discussion.
William traumatizing BV into silence is a really cool idea, although if not BV, someone had to find Charlies corpse eventually right? Contrary to other animatronics, Charlie's body isn't physically inside the Puppet, so I don't know what BV seeing the Puppet next to Charlie's body would change to make William go out of his way to silence him with that much effort.
Either way, great video!
I'm glad you enjoyed it!
As for the BV finding Charlie's body thing, it is true Charlie's body was probably found, but what I find important is that BV could have been the FIRST person to find it, which could give the police a better time frame for the murder and may lead them to William.
Essentially, Charlie was last seen alive by the children who locked her out, but hours may have passed between her death and someone besides BV finding it, so the police don't know if she died immediately after being locked out or hours later. If BV is able to tell the police when he saw Charlie's corpse, that may narrow the time frame of her death to exactly before William arrived home, as Couch Person would testify. That could get William into hot water. Admittedly, this is a bit contrived, but what ISN'T in FNAF?
But of course, that's just my theory, and like I said in the video, I fully respect MRA. Thanks for your comment!
I personally believe Michael ran away. This is mainly because it puts Bite Victim as the first kill, with Charlie second. Meaning Afton lost a child due to unforeseen circumstances, and due to this loss he got drunk and took it out on henry by killing charlie.
This just feels more narratively satisfying than going "William just decided to kill a child one night for no particular reason"
something i feel that was missed about mike runaway is that it DOES serve narrative purpose and explain what the punishment is: the punishment is fnaf 4. in mm michael locks his door and breaks his window to run away with an animatronic. in fnaf 4, the protagonist is in a room with no windows and no locks, being tormented by terrifying animatronics. i don’t understand why, in your explanation of the punishment, william would lock bv in his room when what he was angry about was the locked door in the first place.
That's what I was thinking, too. I'm glad someone pointed it out. William was really mad that the kid had locked his door. It's also in line with his personality. He likes to keep his kids somewhere where he can see them, which is why there is the parallel of the plushie being a monitoring system (like in the Cliffs) with a walkie talkie (like in the Real Jake).
I like this. And it seems to align with someone replying to my comment that the house in MM resembles the house shown in FNAF 4's menu screen.
While I'm personally on the fence on the possibility of William experimenting on his kids (or just Michael), a lot of this makes sense.
This is an excellent video that does great at showing both sides of the argument, which is very nice to see! I’ll share my weird thoughts here, though I definitely want to preface it by saying I’m usually someone who listens to everyone else’s theories rather than making my own!
The main problem I have with BV seeing Charlie’s death is something Scott had stated. Back when the FNAF 4 Halloween DLC came out, Scott explicitly said Nightmarionne wasn’t canon. For such an important character, it seems weird that the Puppet doesn’t have a canon appearance in the game. If what you present is true, I think both possibilities seem weird.
If we play as BV in the FNAF 4 nights, I find it very hard to believe Nightmarionne wouldn’t be canon, since he would have actively seen a dead child with that animatronic.
If we play as Michael in the FNAF 4 nights, then I still don’t see why Nightmarionne would explicitly not be canon. Even if it wouldn’t be as personal of an animatronic to Michael, the Puppet would still exist at the end of the day.
That’s not even getting me started on if the Nightmare Animatronics are imagined or if they’re blank endoskeletons with illusions or whatever else haha! I personally lean more towards the BV dies first theory and Michael RA theory, with the Puppet being created by Henry later and Charlie’s death happening after, partially because of narrative bias. I can definitely see both sides and the inconsistencies they both have though, just like everything else in FNAF! This is a series after all where a single piece of evidence can change how we look at almost everything.
At the end of the day those are just the thoughts that came to my head, and I love hearing everyone’s different opinions and theories! Keep up the great work and I can’t wait to see more from you in the future!
I will say that as an older sibling who was the bully(sorry lil bro) that you could tell a parent to leave the sibling alone if you're trying to get away with some bullying
I don't have anything substantial to say regarding the debate. I just wanted to say Mike's reaction to Shadow Freddy at 22:43 is hilarious
Correct me if Im wrong but I have a theory:
-Henry said that the first was on him, so technically Chralie would be the “first” victim of Afton.
Maybe Charlie and BV (BiteVictom) were friends because their dads were in a good relationship.
-Charlie could have died because of either Afton’s jealoucy or a third party feeling or thing.
I am not sure where Charlie’s body went after the killing but we clearly know that it posessed the puppet for sure.
-What if the grave in the After backyard/garden is nkt for either the wife or the BV, instead this is where he hid Charlie, his first victim’s body.
Not a solid theory cuz it came from a suddle thought, but hopefully you understood what I ment.
Thank you for reading
This are definitively an interesting possibilities!
-It is very much possible BV and Charlie were friends. In fact, I headcanon it. Even if there isn't much evidence, it's a fun and likely possibility.
-It is somewhat implied in the Silver Eyes trilogy that SE William killed SE Charlie out of jealousy. Though not all events carry over exactly, the characters being similar makes it a distinct possibility. It's the most direct motive we have for why William could have killed Charlie.
-The grave being a haphazard attempt to bury a corpse rather than a proper tomb could fit better with what we actually see: a bunch of dirt in the middle of nowhere, rather than a graveyard.
The only issue with it is the strange journey William has to take. Remember that MM is "later that night", and combining it with what we see in the Security Puppet minigame, we get the following route. 1- Drives to Fredbear's/Freddy's and kills Charlie. 2- Drives off, as we see in Security Puppet. 3- Drives back to get the corpse after the Puppet enters contact with it. 4- He drives to the clearing and buries the corpse. 5- He drives BACK to God knows where. 6- In MM, he drives back *past the clearing*, and to his house.
If you ask me, while that trajectory isn`t impossible, it's definitively pretty strange, which is why I'm not very convinced by this theory. However, it's still pretty good!
Thanks for sharing!
This whole debate reminds me a bit of Matpat's 2015 FNAF will never end video. But unlike that one where both PuppetCC and GoldenFreddyCC is contradicted by what we see in the FNAF 2 minigames to the point where the only way to make it work is if 2 souls possess one animatronic, both of these options actually seem pretty viable. Although, correct me if I'm wrong but I don't remember there being any evidence of hallucinations like Golden Freddy actually interacting with the environment in the form of physical marks like foot prints. Overall, a very well put together video, though
Damn, I think I remember that. Wild time for theorizing.
I guess the point about Golden Freddy depends on whether or not you consider Golden Freddy and Shadow Freddy hallucinations or semi-physical beings, but I guess you could say Golden Freddy kiling the player counts as interacting with the environment? Though you still have other interpretations even then, so... :v
Thanks for your comment, I'm glad you liked the video!
I mean, all instances of Golden Freddy or Fredbear after any possible BV possession in the games is AFTER Fredbear is decommissioned into suit form.
I have never felt so justified in subscribing as much as when the Danganronpa trial music dropped lmao
Funny despair bear game meets funny jumpscare bear game. It’s a match made in heaven! XD
I prefer the theory where this is just the runaway is one of the MCI kids. It make have one or two problems, like the rain, which could've only started after Afton lured him back, but it's the one with less weirdness.
I subscribe to Michael Runaway, but I also believe that's Shadow Freddy out there because of what Sire Squawks calls the "Shadow Stand theory," which is basically that Shadow Freddy is an agony monster birthed from... honestly, take your pick, and it latched onto William because of how much agony he's capable of causing.
I'm currently going with Mike as the runaway and Henry as the man sitting.
Yeah the couch guy's sprite name is 'man sitting'.
I believe the person on the couch is just named "backdrop {number}", there's no texture in MM called "man sitting". Here, you can check for yourself if you want: imgur.com/a/pRO9A
It's still a nice interpretation, though! I didn't mention Henry in the couch as a possibility because he has basically the same amount of evidence as Ms. Afton, aka, basically just process of elimination, but it's absolutely possible!
@@Silent_N_Productions Yeah, I didn't see "mansitting" in that section for Midnight Motorist. Now I'm questioning where "mansitting" came from? Unless it's from another source from Pizzeria Simulator?
@@Takejiro24 I’m not sure, but it probably is something like that. Or someone misremembered seeing it somewhere, thought it was true, then started saying it and other people started believing it too. Something Mandela effect-ish
One thing I've wondered: is it possible that the rooms being shown on the cameras/monitors in Sister Location aren't literally supposed to be the ones in the FNAF 4 nightmares but they are supposed to be the house shown in the FNAF 4 minigames but couldn't be shown as such due to creator limitations?
Honestly, I have no idea anymore XD Scott's track record indicates that it could be intentional, or that it was just done to make things easier on himself, so... yeah :p
This was a very interesting and well put together video about Midnight Motorist.
You gained your first view, like, and subscriber for your channel. Going to check out your other two videos.
Thank you so much! I'm glad you enjoyed the video!
This is an amazing video. I love the format of you debating for both sides, giving strong evidence for both and coming up with your own conclusion. It’s really easy to follow and understand. I also completely agree with your take on Midnight Motorist. I think it answers the most questions. I liked and subscribed, keep up the great work!!
Thank you, I'm glad you enjoyed the video!
Has anyone tried ordering mini games and cutscenes to create a cohesive narrative?
You mean a full timeline? Because many have tried. If you mean just the minigames… yeah, I’m not sure :v
one minor issue with your final conclusion, if William was actively torturing BV to keep him quiet
that sets *ALL* potential ideas about William's future motivations back to square 0
if William is torturing BV to keep him quiet, than instead of killing more kids and experimenting with remnant after BV's death, William would realistically continue living as if nothing happened, since he was given the free out of the one person being able to reveal his crimes being killed by someone else
obviously this is a sort of "you cant discuss one theory without discussing other theories" moment, but i feel this is one of the very rare moments that can be set aside since it clashes with *every* existing motivation theory (that doesnt already conflict with Charlie-first)
30:30 William does punish Michael. It's FNAF 4. He moves Michael to a room that has NO WINDOWS and multiple doors that CANNOT LOCK, and then torments him with his experimental animatronics.
Amazing job on this video, the arguing back and forth was very entertaining :D great explanation of both options, too!
I’m glad you enjoyed it! Your comment means a lot :D
An issue I have with both interpretations is that it makes no sense for either the Bite Victim or Mrs. Afton to be buried in the woods instead of in a cemetary.
Really, there aren't *any* good candidates for who would be buried in the woods because we know what happens to the bodies of all of the murder victims in the series.
Fair, it's always been an odd detail. But I'm not sure what it would be meant to be if not a grave, so... :p
I think the assumption that Michael couldn't be telling Afton to leave Bite Victim alone since he was a bully is wrong. Afton has been shown to be a bad father which might influence Michael to act out, but that doesn't mean Michael doesn't care about Bite Victim and doesn't want to protect him from William. Even if his words are an excuse and he is the reason Bite Victim feels bad, he still could just not want his possibly on edge and possibly drunk father to bother Bite Victim
For sure. I didn't know how to put it in the video, but it very much IS possible Michael is the "no one messes with my brother but me" type of sibling. It's just not great in terms of character writing, since it makes him *feel* inconsistent if it isn't set up very well, which it isn't because it's FNAF.
There's one thing you didn't bring up about the Michael!Runaway theory; Midnight Motorist could happen after the Bite Victim's funeral and prior to the Aftons moving to the new house seen in the main sections of FNaF 4 OR after Bite Victim's death, Mrs. Afton divorced William, taking custody of Michael, this the different house and why Michael would be able to go back to his childhood home after each night in Sister Location. It may have even been his maternal grandparents' family home that they wanted to pass down through their family.
Nah Elizabeth dying first is a wild take.
We literally see Elizabeth Afton within the fnaf 4 minigames as a proto-baby design, and Bite Victim enters her room and nothing about it would indicate she died recently, more so that shes not there, which she isn't, and her knowing more about the animatronics and spreading rumors to bite victim that they're alive at night makes sense and is 100% inline with her,
Elizabeth dying first only makes sense under the idea that its what caused William to become murderous,
but I prefer Bite Victim first for that reason alone. More inline.
Bite victim dies first, (then Elizabeth, maybe), William loses it, Kills Charlie, then kills the other kids and the rest of the franchise.
there are holes for sure but its the most humanizing interpretation for William's character. Security Breach made him a saturday morning cartoon, a backstory to justify it and not say he was just always like that saturday morning cartoon is just better to me.
Fair interpretation! Yeah, between the first wound thing, the springlock suit which wasn’t used in Circus Baby’s Pizza World for being “too dangerous”, to all the issues with William’s motivations, ElizabethFirst has always been a theory I couldn’t get myself to believe. Your interpretation is pretty cool! Thanks for your comment!
Yeah, I'm starting to lean more on Pigtails Girl being Elizabeth recently. Not only do they have too many physical similarities, but PG's text color is yellow like Fredbear Plush's and William's in MM and Fruity Maze. Fredbear Plush's head appears in a flower right next to her, in a flower by the Afton house in 4, as well as there being a frame painting/picture of a flower in the sister's room in 4.
I understand that BV seeing Charlie's dead body makes some sense as it gives him a reason to he scared of animatronics. However, the house in Midnight Motorist is in the middle of the woods and William had to drive home after killing Charlie. I find it hard to believe that BV would walk the long distance to the restaurant where Charlie was killed, even if he was following Shadow Freddy. That's why I personally like Michael Runaway best, because in that interpretation, Michael just visited BV's grave after seeing Golden Freddy in his window. The grave is not that far from the house. Still, your video is really good! I didn't even know Bite Victim Runaway before watching it, and it's fun to know the arguments for a theory even if I end up not changing my mind.
I'm glad you liked the video! Yes, admittedly, BV does seem to need to run quite a long distance to get to Fredbear's, although it's unclear how much of the pre-secret gameplay (actual MM) is meant to be literal, and it's not like the grave is *that* close to the house. Still, it's a good take, thanks for sharing!
great video man, one of the only theory videos which actually goes satisfyingly in depth AND is easy to follow
I beliver William Afton is the Orange/Yelloy Guy who drives the purple car, the gravestone is Crying Child's, JR'S is a bar, Orange Guy's house is FNAF 4 gameplay area's, the person in the sofa watching TV is Mrs. Afton, the runaway kid is Michael Afton and the footprints is Golden Freddy's. I guess it's taking place in the night of Charlotte's murder. After his son's death, William becomes insane/crazy/abusive and got angry at his partner, Henry Emily, for having a perfect family, that was his daughter, Charlotte Emily. The whole Afton Family's life changed with Crying Child's death. William Afton, willing to fullfil the promise he had done to his son (put him back together) goed to Freddy's to kill his best friend's daughter and vanished from there, then made all his way through home to see his oldest son running away to his brother's gravestone once again. William promises punish his son more hard. That's all my vision about Midnight Motorist.
the foot prints could be fredbear with bvs spirit and if the grave is his then .that place could be bvs grave . mike run away makes more narrative sense tbh
I really like your perception of the MM lore. Definitely subscribed and liked this! Keep ‘em coming. 👏🏼
I’m glad you enjoyed! Thanks for the comment!
Tbh BVRA's character dynamic inconsistency between Mike and CC is easily explainable. They are BROTHERS, keep this in mind.
If you never had a brother or sister, i'll explain this to you - you can be as shitty as you want with your younger sibling, but when SOMEONE else tries to act shitty to them, you will be defending them at all costs. That's how dynamic between siblings works in most of the cases, believe it or not.
About CC breaking down the window, I admit, can't find an explanation for the crybaby to break out of the window and run away.
Sorry for bad english, not my primary language.
Oh, trust me, as an older brother myself, I’ve always found that Michael being the person in the couch isn’t as inconsistent as a lot of people believe. The whole “no one messes with my brother except me” dynamic is absolutely common, I just didn’t know how to bring it up in the video.
As for BV breaking a window, someone actually pointed out there are no glass shards in front of the window. If that’s intentional, it could imply it was the animatronic who broke the window, solving that little issue. But then again, maybe Scott just screwed up, wouldn’t be the first time :p
Thanks for your comment!
Que tal si Michael en realidad no molestaba a su hermano porque quería, sino que William le pedía que lo haga estar asustado de los animatronicos para evitar que se les acerque y muera igual que Elizabeth? Tal vez por eso tiene una actitud diferente
Interesante! Es una buena interpretación, aunque asume Elizabeth!Primero, teoría que me parece bastante improbable. Igualmente, me gusta la idea, gracias por compartir!
This is a very satisfying interpretation of the story! I love the approach you have towards thinking about/explaining the lore, and I hope you are motivated to make more videos!
My only question is why doesn’t Elizabeth first make sense? I get the “first wound” thing, but there are plenty of ways to nitpick at that evidence. It seems to be a good theory in that it explains who’s in the grave and why William has a secret bunker in 1983 (which I think he has to b/c of the Fredbear plush room code and the fact the Fredbear plush is used in 1983). Under this theory, you’d have to believe that William is harvesting remnant to become immortal, but is there a problem there? Genuinely asking, b/c I’m not the most knowledgeable and up-to-date person on the state of the lore.
I’m glad you enjoyed it!
As fo ElizabethFirst, yeah, it’s a bit stronger than I make come off in the video, but I still think there’s too much against it. The “First Wound” thing, William’s motivation being all over the place… but possibly the strongest piece of physical evidence against it is SL’s Night 4 springlock suit.
The faceplates imply it’s specifically designed for Circus Baby’s Pizza World, yet Baby says “I don’t think [that suit] was ever used, at least, not the way it was meant to be used. *Too dangerous*”
Ignore for a moment the “not the way it was meant to be used”. The springlock suit wasn’t used specifically because it was *too dangerous*. But springlock suits weren’t considered too dangerous to use pre-Bite of 83, since Fredbear is still on stage then. Thus, it seems Circus Baby’s opened, at the very least, after the decommissioning of springlocks, thus after the Bite of 83. And if you take the FNAF 3 calls at face value, it seems the springlocks got decommissioned just before the MCI, which may put Elizabeth far up the timeline in comparison to Charlie and BV’s deaths.
Then, for Charlie, *if* she dies at Fredbear’s, then you run into the springlock decommission thing again. Fredbear’s likely would close after the decommissioning, so her death would be before it, this before Elizabeth’s. If she dies at Freddy’s, it isn’t entirely impossible for Elizabeth to die between BV and her (unless you believe CharlieFirst like me), but between “First Wound” and the question of how William begins to think about experimenting with remnant before Charlie’s death, I still think it makes a bit more sense for Elizabeth to die after Charlie.
Hope that helps!
@@Silent_N_ProductionsWhy do you believe in CharlieFirst?
I believe in BVFirst because BV’s death would provide a definite reason for jealousy, since Henry’s ability for robotics is similar if not lesser than William’s ability in the games, as jealousy for having a perfect family. Also, killing Charlie could be a way for William to get back at Henry for Fredbear killing BV.
Also there is no glass shards outside of the window. That means the window is broken by someone standing outside. I don't know if this is mentioned in the video or not if it is mentioned i probably missed it.
Great call! I hadn't noticed that! If that's intentional, I guess you could make an argument that it can work with both theories, but it *does* solve BVRA's problem of BV breaking a window. If it was the animatronic outside, it doesn't matter who the runaway is, the broken window makes sense! Thanks for pointing this out!
@@Silent_N_Productions No problem glad that i helped a little :)
One thing about Golden Freddy: He's a springlock suit [Henry's Fredbear Suit]. When Crying Evan gets bit, Golden Fredbear is in Animatronic mode. The reason jumpscare Golden Freddy [who says "It's me" to possibly Michael, implying he is in part Crying Evan] can't stand is he got stuffed with Cassidy. In order to stuff a body in a Springlock Suit, the springlocks need to be deactivated and stowed using the springlocks, and thus can't move the suit.
Not sure if it requires the double soul to freddy-port or if that is a Crying Evan power [due to his connection with Fredbear through the Plushcams and being killed by Fredbear directly, instead of being killed and stuffed].
Give gifts does imply that Golden Freddy awakens by himself, without Puppet Charlie's help [similar to how she had enough agony or whatever to possess puppet without help].
Do we know what causes puppet to be made in the first place? It seems a very specific thing to make [a guardian robot for the kids] if no kids have died/gone missing yet. As opposed to just human staff supervising the parties.
That’s a pretty cool analysis on the springlocks. I’ve always found they were a bit too vaguely defined in the series itself.
As for the Security Puppet, I imagine there wasn’t really a reason for it beyond ‘sounds cool’. It’s not like extra security is bad, so why not put it there? Or if William created it (like he created the very similar Minireenas), it could have been to flex his tech prowess, since he’s always been described as prideful. Maybe. I don’t think it’s too important.
Thanks for your comment, it was a good read!
I believe that Mike is more likely to runaway, why?
I just can't imagine little kid breaking the window, kid that is easy to scare
On the other hand rebellious teen that by sprite has some streangth and great idea with friends to put his lil bro inside some dangerous mechanism 👍
Definitively a good reason to believe M!RA. The fact there's no glass outside, as another commenter pointed out, may imply it was the animatronic outside who broke the window, which is probably the best explanation for BV!RA, but it's certainly more convoluted than just Michael breaking it.
@@Silent_N_Productions That's acually great idea too
It's fun, all hose theories
Also you have great voice!
@@zouipl6181 Aw, thank you!
very great video!! :D
Very well done video. Gives a lot of things to consider and well explained.
I feel a lot of the fanf lore at this point is mostly head cannons.
I’m glad you enjoyed it! Yeah, FNAF lore is a bit all over the place, isn’t it?
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Now i Belive that charlie is killed in freddy's, not fredbear's, the posters of fredbear "brown" is just a type of yellow, and the unwithereds cant be in fredbears, but in freddy's, they built puppet on freddy's in 1983
Yeah, after making this video I realize Charlie dying in Freddy's makes slightly more sense for a good number of reasons. Good call!
Well, the Puppet for sure was at Freddy's in 1983, but he could have been transfered from Fredbear´s after the death of Charlie. I still believe in CharlieFredbear´s because the FNAF 6 location doesnt´t look like the first Freddy´s (which is the FNAF 1 building) at all. Freddy Fazbear´s Pizza Place being the same location of the security puppet minigame is something quite obvious (due to the back alleys being similar and the terminal map has the same shape of Take Cake to the children) and almost a fact in my opinion.
@@juliabp6057 i think henry using a place of 50 years in 2023 is because he wants to end this all in the first location, the location that started this company
I've seen Midnight take place after fnaf 4 mainly due to the fact that JR's seems to sit around about the same location Fredbear's could be since the fnaf 4 minigames show that Fredbear's is at least close to the house and within walking distance. The way you put it makes sense but that detail is strange (As well as Yellow guy saying 'ran off to that place again').
Also the person on the couch could be Henry which would give him a known reason to not be at Freddy's supervising his child's birthday party at Freddy's (albeit maybe a dumb one, I'm unsure) cause he says he wasn't there in the completionist's ending speech. It'd make less for him to be there if Mike is the runaway since he could probably take care of himself but if William is drunk it'd kind of make more sense for him to speak the way he does to him. If it was CC and Mrs Afton isn't in the picture anymore (through divorce, death, or both.) it would make sense as well.
Yeah, the distance between Fredbear’s and the Afton house has always been a bit of a head-scratcher. It’s always bothered me too, but I’ve never been able to explain it as anything other than “the minigames simplify things down a lot, and it causes distortions like this”. It’s not great.
The person on the couch being Henry is definitively a possibility, one which has the benefit of working with both interpretations.
Thanks for the comment!
Solving this minigame is just a Nightmare (pun inteded)
This is the best new FNaF theory channel I've seen recently (even tho I don't agree with your conclusion lol) keep it up!
If William and Michael LOOK ALIKE and thus share the color purple.
Couldnt Mom & Son share thoughts? Both coule enjoy TV shows(what teenage boy chooses immortal and wrestlest??). Both could feel pain over Williams crazy.
Lastly.
I feel a parallel between Ms afton being in the show and micheal watching it and saying something like "he identifies with that character cause everyone thinks she is crazy and everyone aroune him thinks he is crazy"
Like mother like son
I've been thinking the same thing recently. Michael and William have parallels in Sister Location (from Michael wearing a purple shirt all the way up to literally turning purple in the 8-bit cutscenes of Custom Night) so can't Michael have parallels to his mother?
Maybe the two wearing predominantly grey outfits (Michael in FNAF 4, "Mrs. Afton" in Midnight Motorist) could be a clue that the two were close when she was alive/around? If The Immortal & The Restless is any indication, Michael could have been closer to his mother than his father.
Absolute hottake: The orange Person ist Ms afton all alone xD
Well, i do belive Charlie is the one who promises to put B.V back together due to FNaF World so B.VRunaway it is
The realization ohs like at 14:11 I keep laughing at
Here's a theory maybe the footprint are the newly introduced mimic it dosen't seem out of the question that it would stalk afton learning as much about him as possible in order to properly copy him and before people bring up the toe situation the mimic can fit inside any animatronic suit it wants
I mean, the problem is you're assuming either a really wild retcon, or that Scott had the Mimic in mind since the release of FFPS, a game which was meant to tie up loose ends. It just doesn't seem very possible.
@@Silent_N_Productions it's just a theory
@@user-mz9xo3hx1h Yeah! And it's perfectly fine! Thanks for sharing!
27:27 Golden Freddy *can* get up in the books. Unlogical but yeah. He doesn't have an endo after all.
Oh, yeah, good call. Totally forgot about that XD
AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH COVERAGE STYLE I AGREE WITH COMPLETLEY
usually this would be the part where i argue like the opposite side in like a long essay, but your video has 0 bias, covers all sides equally, is so good coverage, simple, no bias at all. this minigame is for sure something that is ambiguous which is impossible for the majority to agree on and is very non definitive.
id totally recommend ur epic videos to any fnaf theorist starting out, fire lit hommie theories covered right there, 50/20 rating (no offense to other fnaf youtubers they cool too)
although another 3rd side that isn't mentioned in the video aside from bvrunaway, or michealrunaway id like to add is mcirunaway.
mcirunaway is that another victim of william, probably from the mci lured a kid away, maybe in the glitchtrap suit or something resistant to rain after being with the child a lot as supported by the toy chica ucn cutscenes and all the other minigames being about william's victims, and the family shown is the family of that mci kid. they also state that the rain, purple car, and purple guy connections are all red herrings (which to me makes me not believe this side but it still exists so why not talk about it), and they as well argue that we use william being yellow as a redherring as well.
some as well just don't believe the security puppet minigame and midnight motorist follow after each other at all, and later that night + rain are coincidences or later that night might be after running over the dog, or doing the mci or something, which is a way to somehow make micheal the runaway and have the first victim not be charlie/ have runaway kid's family not be william's (which of course i personally don't find convincing either due to the rain, later that night, and car color being the same)
another thing to add about couch guy's identity is it being called "man sitting" in the files which makes it less likely to be ms afton, and more to be micheal or henry. people as well think henry could be there baby sitting micheal.
personally, im team bv runaway because of all the associations made with micheal being couch guy, the family being the aftons, and my personal timeline including charlie being the first to be fredbear plush. (Just finished watching the video, LETS GOOOOOOO TEAM BV!RA)
random other stuff id personally add for
Footprints
-could possibly not have to be supernatural/pop out of existence leaving behind only 1 set of footprints, as they could've walked the whole time, came out of the bush, and recede back into the bush
-the motive of the footprints could be to lure, lead, or scare the runaway (maybe instead of gf/sf stalking, is an animatronic placed by william to scare the runaway from running the location)
M!RA
-phatom freddy(hallucination of golden freddy walking out the window) walking outside of the fnaf 3 window
-more poetic when it comes to locking his doors like he does in fnaf 1
-not unless some other source of shadow freddy formed sf prior charlie's death and later that night, it would be weird for bv to even be running away unless he saw a prior incident and runs for reasons relating to what he saw instead of wanting to follow sf. if bv was constantly running away then charlie dies to form sf, it would less be like "follow me", and more of I'll follow you and tag along (so sf wouldn't be leading bv there as bv does go there on his own, or sf runs into bv by coincidence as he frequently runs off)
-poetically again, foxy runs, and foxybro running would be poetic or narratively satisfying i guess
BV!RA
-him running away to see an incident occur for him to be scared may give him more of a reason to runaway rather than micheal, as micheal has less locations to run off to and less reasons to run (at least urgently, instead of patiently waiting in the morning or something to visit wherever he has to go or not able to be curious about murders going on as there's little evidence he saw or found anything, compared to bv who might've been investigating something or urgently lured to a location for help)
-weird for micheal to be running for any reason relating to bite victim, as if its a graveyard he wouldn't need to break his window, his father would probably not prevent him from going, he could visit in the morning, and if you are golden duo or poetic about gf being bv, then it would be a tad bit funny for mike to run right past golden freddy as bv (although he might not know, he might also might know who the footprints are as whoever runaway kid is, might not be scared of the footprints or running away because of the footprints because they run to an exit unnecessarily close to the footprints, in secret, and locks the door)
-for shadow freddy's reason for being there, the fnaf 4 trailer says "what have you brought home" with nightmare's night (with nightmare looking similar to sf) being called "shadow freddy", plus presumably Jeremy writing a paragraph in the logbook about being glad he's being moved to the dayshift but having an uneasy feeling about being followed home (in the same game with shadow freddy and weird cutscenes which may be dreams) so, he could just follow people home and visit frequently
I’m very happy to hear you liked the video!
I was aware of MCI!MM, but kinda thought most people use that for Andrew!MM to be fair. Like you said, there are a few too many “red herring” assumptions for me to be able to believe this. Same with MM not being related to Security Puppet.
Hell yeah, Charlie!Plushie enjoyer! I plan to make a video on that plushie as well, same format as this one, so stay tuned I guess!
I did notice the bush possibility for the animatronic, but I’m not sure I can believe it without any other footprints. Plus, as someone else pointed out, there aren’t glass shards outside, which could imply the window was broken from the outside. That would mean the animatronic did it, confirming the supernatural aspect because only one set of footprints, but also helping BV!RA with the whole “why is the window broken” bit.
The other points you brought up are really interesting, too! Poetic parallels are always cool, and the Nightmare thing is a pretty neat interpretation!
Thanks for your comment, I enjoyed reading it!
The one problem with this whole thing is that the spirite name of the person sitting on the couch is something something MAN and I don't believe either mike or Mrs Afton fits that name, so immo and this works with either theory the man babysitting the RA is Henry
Henry being the couch person is a valid interpretation which I forgot to bring up, true. However, the sprite name of couch person is just “backdrop [number]”. The only sprite name in MM which has ‘man’ in it is ‘big man’, but that’s orange guy. Here, you can check! imgur.io/a/pRO9A
damm with the "hes not using a security guard suit" you sold it to me tbh we are so damm used to think purple=william, that we totally forgor that its because hes using the guard suit
and mike being purple because hes basically a walking corpse lol
Funny enough, the poster of the Afton family depicts crying child as a bear on a leash.
Your personal take really opened my eyes... Im considering it. Ive been a michael runaway. Anyway, I really love the debate format of the video
I’m glad you enjoyed!
both sides make sense, and you do make a good point for bv!runaway making sense but i have one thing to bring up against it, isnt the minigame called "later that night" (even you mentioned it in the video i believe) implying it was later that night after charlies death?
meaning that bv would have had to; see charlies death(a literal highways away from his house), run back to his house(once again, its a HIGHWAY AWAY from his house). and go back and forth to it several times (so much for william to notice and punish him for it) in,, ONE NIGHT
like,, bv must have some strong legs if he can run like 4(on the low end) highways worth in one day/night-
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So they dont believe he can break a window, but he CAN do psycholgical torture.
Seems inconsistent
You’re right XD But then again, what FNAF character is consistent, anyways? Elizabeth kills who she seemingly believes to be William in Rental, then worships him in FFPS. This series doesn’t have a very good track record :v
Oooo. What do you think the strongest counter agument for ElizabethFirst is? 👀
If I had to pick one, it would either be the motivation aspect (if William created the Funtimes to experiment with remnant as he does in the most common interpretation, how does the idea occur to him if he hasn’t seen any animatronic becoming haunted?) or the springlock suit in Night 4 (clearly meant for Circus Baby’s because of the face plates, but according to Baby it “was never used” because it was “too dangerous”, implying springlock suits were already retired by the opening of Baby’s, and thus placing Elizabeth’s death firmly after BV’s *at least*)
I really liked your analysis! And your version of events makes sense. My only question is -- if Charlie died first, what was Afton's motive?
I'm glad you enjoyed!
William's motives are always a bit vague, but there's two possible explanations for it in Charlie!First.
1: Just like in the Silver Eyes trilogy, William grows to resent Henry and his "perfect life" to the point he kills Charlie with no inciting incident, as Charlie's death IS the first relevant death from that storyline.
2: The previous, plus Ms Afton died, explaining the grave in MM. This would only make William resent Henry's "perfect family" more, until he eventually kills Charlie.
@@Silent_N_Productions Mm, I see. While I still personally lean toward Michael Runaway (and BV!First by extension), I can totally see your version making sense as well. :)
This is a really nice video! I did not expect such a great video from a random channel that appeared in my feed 😂
Keep up the good work 💪
But anyway now let's talk about the theory
I am on the side that believes that the yellow man is not William, but if we consider him William because of the purple car, the rain and the file name... So Why do we still consider MRA? The files name of the person on the coach are called Literally "man sitting", The only "man" who can be there is Mike so Mike can not be the one who run away
I'm glad you enjoyed it!
Though, I should probably inform you that there is actually no texture file named "man sitting" in MM's file, you can check here: imgur.com/a/pRO9A
I believe the person in the couch is actually one of the "backdrop {number}" files
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I was a Mike believer but this video chanced my mind
Honestly? I believe Mike Runaway for many reasons(including the ones given in video). Such as:
*Evan can just be scared in general or it be a childish misunderstanding
*William is a literally pycho, I can absolutely see him wanting to control his children and pit them against each other in any way possible
*Why would Michael talk to his drunk abusive father like that?
*Maybe Mike watches TV that way because of his mother?
*Maybe Mike was moved to that room post-bite to be tormented like that one Pizzaplex story says
*Golden Freddy could ABSOLUTELY teleport to that location
*Its normal for older siblings to tease and bully their younger siblings(even if Michael took it too far, William shouldn't have encouraged it the torment like it's implied he did)
*I am a firm believer in bite victim first because it's the only TRUE accident in FNaF. No intentional killer robots, no murder, just a prank taken to far.
i like the courtroom style in this vid
Ultimately, Crying Child runaway relies on a ton of flimsy evidence that just doesn't hold up. It takes actively bad writing to prop it up. Scott has never once in the history of the series been consistent with mini games. And wearing gray and watching TV is the most unremarkable descriptor possible. Everyone does that. You've done that. Suggesting spotaneous 180 degree off screen character arcs and the recolor of Golden Freddy in place of itself is not good evidence. It never will be. It's built on absolutely nothing at all and actively makes the story worse for it to be true. If Charlie is the first victim, William is just insane and evil for literally no reason and is completely unnuanced. The lack of a singular explicit punishment for Michael doesn't disprove anything. We know Michael and William have an adverserial relationship after Evans death. And by that point he would be well in his teens. It's not hard to assume that just had an argument or something like that that doesn't have huge ramifications on the plot that are never ever followed up upon. The huge problem with Crying Child Runaway is that it alters and conveludes the plot in ways that NOTHING else in the entire series supports. Ultimately, Michael Runaway just slots in better without shaking things up. Not every single piece of evidence has to radically change the story. People's obsession with making every next theory more controversial and radical than the last is nothing but pointless obfuscation for the point of... Idk spectacle and internet points? It doesn't bring us closer to figuring anything out and holds back the entire theory community.
I can imagine Kim k telling Goldie:
Get your ass up and work.
First, willian be purple is because well, he in the shadows, that what makes the negative purple aura, like the shadows animatronics
Another perfectly valid possibilty. Thanks for all your comments, really enjoyed reading them!
33:15 William was a sadist psycho with with narcissistic personality disorder. Narcissists does not have empathy, so it's logical him to manipulate BV/CC and to use Elisabeth. It is headcanon to say that William was a nice and loving father, believe that he abused and manipulated his family while being seen as a good father in the public eye and fulfiling his ego to Henry's family. Also, a justification for William's evil deeds is not necessary. We are discussing a man who executed a cruel plan to murder five children. He laughed at the police because he was confident he wouldn't be caught. In addition, William is an attention addict in the books; MatPat claims him to be jealous, which suggests that William is likely a narcissist. Furthermore, when you step back and consider William's behavior toward his wife, kids, and others, as well as his manipulative behavior toward Henry, (Considering that Glitch Trap is a replication of Afton, I believe William never started a Fred Bear's location. In order to fulfill an old ambition, I believe he just tricked Henry, who was employed at Chica's Party World, into making two springlock suits. Investments were not a problem for him since he was a successful businessman.) William may have been fooling his wife till she opened her eyes and ended their relationship since narcissists can make themselves look correct in any argument in relationships. Following that, I believe William killed his wife in an explosion of rage over being turned down. So, Henry was a man who had no idea what it meant to be a good person, and William was never a good person. I think William's jealousy of Henry was the driving force behind the rebuilding of his family, and the murder of Charlie but not a startkick.
i believe michael is the runaway, the person on the couch is henry emily and orange guy is william afton.
so, this is basically sire squawk's theory: the crying child/bite victim dies, william gets upset and murders charlie (possibly because henry made the animatronics), which is evidenced by the rain sprite being the same in the minigame where charlie dies, to murder charlie, he tells henry he'll be gone and to take care of michael, he then drives to the pizzaria where charlie was in, murders her, returns in that same night, but mike runs away (which makes the nonsensical fnaf 4 room actually make sense in the context that michael might be the main character of fnaf 4 that is having nightmares from his childhood and from his time on freddy fazbear's pizza, since there are no locks, probably to stop michael from locking the door and running away and there are no windows, so he can't run away at all)
My Headcanons
1)William's wife divorces him after they have three kids together and whether or not she dies. Shes the reason William kills Charlie in an drunken rage because Henry's family is perfect unlike William's.
2)BV breaks his window while being lured outside by Shadow freddy this leads him to the pizzeria and in the alleyway BV finds Charlie's dead body.
3)William moves The boys into another house and experiments over Mike and BV with the nightmares causing Mike to hate BV.
Bite victim alive and in hospital
Ms. Afton is on the chair.
Mom protecting the teenager makes more sense tge teenager and child
I have a question I hope you see this but I think the person on the couch is ms afton but I think the runaway is bv I don’t if you could explain who’s grave it would be in midnight motorist
This is a valid interpretation, I just didn’t mention it because it does run into an issue with the grave. I don’t think there’s a very good answer here outside of the very unlikely ElizabethFirst, so… maybe William, drunk out of his mind, turned the car around after driving off the first time and decided to bury Charlie’s body there! It’s awkward narratively and has no evidence, but it *could* work? I don’t see many other explanations for the mound of dirt under this interpretation
@@Silent_N_Productions ya the more I think about tho the more I believe charle died first thanks for replying
@@Silent_N_Productions I think that when he took the body he buried it and saw the window and whent inside and new that cc had gone to that place which I don’t exactly know, I really think it’s Freddy faz bears pizza and maybe it wasn’t as far as we thought
@@PeanutButtervr22 That’s an interesting possibility! I feel it may be a bit too convoluted even for FNAF standards, but it *could* work. Thanks for sharing!
@@Silent_N_Productions no problem I’m trying to think of any thing to link charle to the grave
I enjoy your videos but if I may I’d like to make a small suggestion to move a little farther from the microphone so that you sound consistently clearer! Sometimes what you’re saying gets a lil unclear when you’re closer to it, and I think your analyses should be heard as clear as they deserve :)
I’m glad you liked them despite the audio! Yeah, that’s something I’m trying to improve on now, the next video hopefully should have audio that’s at least a tiny bit better.
12:33 Henry's green guy
What if the name "JR's" is a metaphor for the second of the Fredbears franchise, Fredbear' and Friends? JR's could represent the JR of the franchise's places (as in from father to son, a JR is considered when a father has a son with the same name), so considering Fredbear's Family Diner and Fredbear and Friends both being diners and Fredbear and Friends coming after in 1983, what if that could be tied to Jrs simply being F&F? And then tie in the bite death and more.
problem with both these theories is the window was broken into not broken out of cuz the glass isnt on the outside
shadow freddy isnt a physical being so wouldnt leave foot prints
the footprints are not smaller then orange guys feet so they arent child footprints
and orange guy has no authority over grey man
hear me out the people we see in this midnight motorist arent important cuz they would be the parents of one of the victims and the footprints are spring bonnies which explains the foot prints cuz he needed to get out of the suit cuz it was raining and he needed to break in the window to kill the kid and hide the body in the mound we see
the fnaf4 gameplay is a test chamber we can see this in sister location with the nightmares being represented by dots in funtime freddies section and at the time of sister location we learn about sound allusion disks which created the monsters we see mike was younger at the time these experiments were done on him fitting sister location in a place that makes with cc dead first in 1983 freadbear family diner closes. afton creates the security puppet than charlie gets killed fnaf4 gameplay than mci freddies gets shut down henry suspect afton to be the killer henry reopens 1987 fnaf2 gameplay afton kills kids again seen in the minigame bite of 87 (animatronics were more aggressive cuz of the killing). closes down afton starts building his own killer robots "afton robotics" aftons daughter dies cuz of baby around 1990 so shes still a kid if we assume she was born around 1980 now this is where it gets interesting ... the phone guy autio tape didnt actually happen even close to the time of the fnaf 1 gameplay infact i think they happen before the reopening in 1987 cuz the location was implied to be open during the mci by the news paper and the phone guy was the nightguard at the time the puppet gave life to them when the toys were scrapped the withers are restored and put in there old location fnaf1 gameplay happens 1993 afton contacts mike tells him to go down to the bunker and the events from sister location happen the same time as the fnaf3 mini games!!! "im going to come find u" sring trap pops up henry boarders up the safe room with afton in it. years pass fasbear frights opening mike takes the job they find springtrap mike and burns the place down.... u might be confused on the fnaf 4 gameplay but i can assure u it fits because during the time of fnaf 4 the funtimes werent built and the nightmares were not design to kill they were there to induce fear and sound allusion disks were invented at the time as implied by the books now why is the bunker connected to the fnaf 4 gameplay house... idk really cuz the tests that were done on mike before the bunker was built or was it.... what if the bunker was already built but wasnt originally intended for aftons experiments and only was used that way after fredbears closing alright now we are caught up fnaf 6 gameplay happens after henry discovers williams blueprints on the killer robots and scooper he had built. mike uses his inharatence from his father to become a fnaf frantchisee and gathers them into that trap that was set then its burnt down than ucn idk what midnight motorist meant in the grand scheme but the other mini games suggested that it was an important kill we have charlie susie and one other ... what happend to cassidy? maybe it was this.... and this places midnight motorist right after the mci when the puppet gives life to the robots and afton decovers remnant taking him back where he dug back up the body to stuff it in golden freddy at the freddy and friends location cuz the give gifts mini game the puppet didnt give gifts to golden freddy ... what if instead the purple man himself gave life to cassidy and the agony cassidy translated to aftons hell in ucn
Runaway! Michael✅
Runaway! BV❌
Afton house is just random, the TV in fnaf 4 minigames with fredbear cartoon, if Bv was the second death, after MS afton die, thats the only reason that fix the timeline, if the bedroom of mike is just a test room that willian trapped mike?
I don’t know about Micheal not defending his brother I mean there still brothers not enemies also The color of William is purple cause it’s meant to represent him being in the shadows as the couldn’t use black as it’s always dark in the mini games and since he’s out in the open in MM that means he’s not in the shadows for that mini game also there is no evidence that William is purple cause of his uniform in fact there is no evidence that that the uniform were purple at all and in SB it’s just normal I believe the Crying child runaway theory also there is no evidence that CC didn’t use something to break the window after all I personally think he ripped he ripped the head off his Foxy plush likely being angry at Micheal who where’s a Foxy mask and we don’t no much about CC’s personality outside of being easily scared and that he Cry’s plus I think Shadow Freddy was Outside so ye I also believe Charlie was the first victim so I genuinely agree with BV so yeah finally an opinion on Mm that I can agree on
Just a random thought, but what if Micheal locked the crying child in the room, and he is telling William to leave him alone, so he won't find out about that. And while the crying child is in the room, he sees someone motivating him to break out and follow them (whoever they are)
An interesting idea! Thanks for sharing!
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For Ms. Afton CEO,
William may have been fooling his wife till she opened her eyes and ended their relationship since narcissists can make themselves look correct in any argument in relationships. Following that, I believe William killed his wife in an explosion of rage over being turned down.
For the actual CEO, ⬇
Think, I After FNaF 1, Henry sold the business in order to pay the debt owed to the bank. This would mean that there was no concept of "ownership" at that time. Following that, business partners launched a horror attraction. It was burned, etc. They found Henry and paid him for a fresh concept like a restaurant. Henry used this chance to create a trap for the end. If there were four salvaged robots inside, the building would have been automatically set on fire with a cassette on Saturday. When they realized it wasn't Michael, the gang would lose interest, as he imagined. William was searching for Michael with Elisabeth, not for the blood of the others, after all. Hence, the employee would be fired if there wasn't the entire gang. Fazbear Ent. didn't care much about this change because it wasn't making them lose anything after all.
Fazbear Ent. is currently a business. SO BASICALLY not a private one. I imagine it will be something similar to a foundation. Since Mimic is running everything and creating a mimic of Afton, there is no need for an owner or CEO, etc. behind everything.
Very interesting theories! Thanks for sharing!
What if its actually Henry, his son and wife post Charlie death and the son runs off with the puppet at the time.
I feel like people don't really mention how the window was broken in MM, when you look at the broken window there is no glass on the floor and the object to break the window isn't there, so the logical solution is that someone broke the window from the outside and the runaway wouldn't have the time to clean up after themselves without being caught, but you can't really add logic to a fnaf game
The person on the couch is henry
Really need to fix the sound editing..nothing against your accent but it makes understanding your diction hard enough without the mic popping sound effects and the music that drowns your voice out..I really wanted to watch this but its just way to much to try to filter..
What if Elizabeth wasn't even born at that point :v
What if the minigame was just to show that William was an abusive father and to dismiss the theory that William was the one who promised to put the crying child back together
Tenés un canal en español?
No, lamentablemente. Aunque voy a fijarme de poner subtítulos en español si puedo
or maybe it's a mix of both
Me da mucha curiosidad saber de dónde sos jajja, obviamente tu primer lengua es español
Se nota tanto? XD Soy de Argentina, y por ahora no me estoy muriendo, así que me va mejor que a la mitad del país :,D
And the animatronic outside have to be nightmare fredbear, the logbook art
Can be that willian put nightmare fredbear there, but its a ilusion disk or a plush, man this minigame dont have to exist
That is a valid possibilty, but I didn't mention it because it has two issues:
There's only one set of footprints, which doesn't really fit an animatronic which has to walk regularly like NightFredbear.
And the runaway running towards the animatronic, to "that place again", as opposed to away is strange if the animatronic is NightFredbear, since he at least appears very dangerous
@@Silent_N_Productions or can be the fredbear with ilusion disk, or a endo with ilusion disk, or the most boring and obvius, its just plushies, im think endo disk theory is the most with sense
I'm extremely in love with this theory because most of the theorists are strongly stubborn about Mike!Runaway which could make sense story wise but it has no impact on the story whatsoever since we already see in FNaF 4 that he does change by apologizing to BV during his short coma. It is entirely possible of course for it to be Michael, but it just doesn't stick right to me.
My personal theory which is much different than any other considering I have another theory inserted into it, but I strongly believe in BV!Runaway and I'm glad to see you shattered some light on how MM comes before FNaF 4 with the evidence you gave.
So, speaking of interpretations of MM, I have some answers of my own which may not have much evidence, but make sense to me in a narrative way and possibility of it happening.
What I think happens in MM is what comes after William's and Mrs. Afton's divorce. I don't believe she dies but instead she just divorces William, relating to Vanessa's therapist session tape where it's briefly mentioned that the parents had a custody battle which we can connect to William taking custody of his children after the divorce, also explaining why Mrs. Afton is nowhere present. After the custody battle, Mrs. Afton is gone and William goes out drinking which eventually leads to him driving to Fredbear's Family Diner and murdering Charlie. Not out of any reason, just a drunken rage.
Then there comes MM which showcases William on his way home from the murder scene. Though before he gets there, he decides to see the bar he was in previously. To no surprise, he isn't let in, causing William to get angry all over again and so he drives home. He sees Michael on the couch who is watching TV, still extremely upset after the event of William's and Mrs. Afton's divorce. Michael tries to tell him that BV isn't doing his best either, of course since he's a child, and for Will to leave him be. Of course as drunk and angry as he is, he doesn't listen and tries to disrespect BV by invading his privacy. That ultimately leads to William's bigger rage as he realizes that the door is not only closed but locked - which is something we see in FNaF 4 where BV is forced to keep his door open at all times unless it's closed by William.
We see William go outside of the house to go through the window to realize it has been broken. William then has a fit over BV behaving that way, saying that he is going to regret going to "that place again" when he gets back.
In a retrospective now, BV is sitting in his room, obviously in a horrible state. He sits alone, on his bed. Suddenly, a figure appears outside of a window. He can see its' glowing eyes and when he gets up close to the window, he sees one and only Shadow Bonnie. In my theory, Shadow Bonnie is the first ever tester of the Springlock suits, specifically Spring Bonnie. And so his agony transferred into the suit, creating a replica of it but in a shadowy, dark form. He was standing outside of the child's window, trying to expose William of his doings. BV then witnesses William brutally beat up Charlie, causing him to fall back in tears and lock the door. When he hears William drive off, he panics and breaks the window with whatever he had under his hands at that moment. That's the moment he got afraid of his father and so he escaped. It could be either the grave or the diner, but my most recent theory that I've been attached to for months is that it's Elizabeth's grave which connects the dots because that's the reason Mrs. Afton and William get a divorce, then the reason for why Michael bullies BV - blaming him for not watching over her well enough, as well why she's not present during MM.
Then BV witnessing Charlie's death caused by William explains why Will has to communicate with BV using a Fredbear plush. He got it as a birthday present so William - in Fredbear plush's voice - could speak to him. It could also be another reasoning for Michael to bully BV cause it won't be only simple blame but also jealousy that he gets treated that way when he didn't take care of Elizabeth (basically thinking that it wasn't his own job but BV's even if he's younger than him).
I guess that's all about my theory of MM, and it's crazy, I know.
I could also give an explanation on why I believe Elizabeth dies before BV and Charlie if you'd like. I don't mind typing paragraphs.
My theories specifically about BV, how he's the vengeful spirit with Cassidy not existing, I guess you could call that 4Victims!MCI (I just made that name up), and how BV has two forms - of agony aka Shadow Freddy and soul which is Golden Freddy.
Though enough of that. I'll only fully speak of the theory-story of mine about BV if necessary.
Really interesting ideas! For sure, a lot of this is very possible since there’s always going to be quite a lot of speculation in MM.
The divorce thing is definitely a possible angle, there’s no real need to kill off Ms. Afton if you can explain the ‘grave’ in some other way.
Shadow Bonnie being outside works, albeit you’d have to assume he can take on a form closer to Spring Bonnie than Toy Bonnie like he usually does for the whole three toes thing.
As for ElizabethFirst, I don’t think it’s too bad of a theory, but there’s always something which has bothered me a bit about it, and why I wrote it off in the video. The springlock suit in SL Night 4, which Baby claims “[was never used], at least, not the way it was meant to be used. *Too dangerous*”. If a springlock suit isn’t being used because it’s *too dangerous*, that sort of implies Circus Baby’s opens only after the springlock suits are retired, no? They wouldn’t have been considered too dangerous until that point. That would put her death firmly after BV, since springlock suits are still being used in FNAF 4.
And as for BV being Cassidy (I believe that’s usually referred to as ‘BV!Fifth’), I do think it’s an interesting theory, but I feel it runs into a few issues. The StitchWraith parallels sorta fall apart if there’s only one soul there; BV being TOYSNHK implies Michael is in UCN, which doesn’t really work with all the lines (see Nightmarionne: “I am the fearful reflection of what *you have created*”); the fact the MCI is always referred to as a five children incident, though I guess you could maybe count Charlie as part of it and call it a day, but then you run into the whole “well, *did* she go missing, or was her body found?” fiasco; and maybe the fifth body appearing at the end of Give Gifts, though maybe you can assume a retcon there. It’s not a horrible theory, but I’ve always found it causes more problems than it solves.
Thanks for your comment!
@@Silent_N_Productions Yes, you're right about the springlock suits. It's odd that they're in SL implying that they are there but they aren't used. Though I've always thought of a theory or maybe it's a fact that Circus Baby's Pizza World (could've been opened prior the bite of '83 and it was a restaurant with the animatronics performing inside it) and Circus Baby's Entertainment & Rentals was a whole separate project (that was about shipping the animatronics to people's houses to get remnant and it was later in the timeline but obviously before Afton's death in 1993).
Those two are the same building of course, but used for different purposes. Before the bite it was meant to be a restaurant where the animatronics performed but after the incident (years later) it was used as rentals.
But getting to the main point of why I think that's the case.
The blueprints say that the animatronics belong to "Afton Robotics, LLC" which seems to be his company's name and it would be strange if he's known as a suspect of the murder committed in 1985. It would make more sense if it was created before the murder of Charlie. He is a pretty big suspect. It would also make sense why he's often/usually seen in the shadows and as purple, it's because he's trying to make himself less relevant to the public's eyes to not bring any more suspicions.
Also the fact there's "LLC" in the name means it could be before him and Henry partnered up to run "Fazbear Entertainment, INC". And no, I'm not saying that Fredbear's Family Diner wasn't open back then. It would debunk the whole theory because then how would Charlie die not long after Elizabeth's death since I'm implying Eli's death is the reason for the divorce and MM happening in the first place. It may sound stupid but I'm following MatPat's theory here that William and Henry had rival restaurants. So while William was running Fredbear's, Henry was running Chica's Party World. It could also be a reason why he didn't think and killed Charlie since she was there all alone.
As for BV being Cassidy, that's where my theory runs into place that from all of BV's agony, there's a vengeful version of him that takes form of Shadow Freddy. The idea comes into place from the fact in FNaF AR, you collect dark remnant that takes then form into Shadow Bonnie which implies that it's made out of agony / negative emotions (just like my idea of Shadow Bonnie). It would also explain why BV as a soul doesn't remember anything because at least half of his life, ever since Elizabeth's death, was full of torment, meanwhile the vengeful version of BV has all the memories because as we could see in the minigames, he was tormented every day so all the negative memories of his life past onto the agony itself and so soul BV doesn't know anything and therefore that's why we see two BVs speaking with each other, one trying to remind the other of their past. Cause there was always this overlooked complication with why Cassidy knows and BV doesn't. From what we can see, no one was present at his birthday party (pretty sad ngl) so there would be no way for Cassidy to know that.
Now, I'll try to explain why it's William in UCN and not Michael.
Basically Shadow Freddy takes appearance in FNaF 2 and FNaF 3, seemingly watching over whatever's happening in those locations. It could be that Shadow Freddy was also present during the time of Freddy Fazbear's Pizza and so the vengeful BV knew about Afton's doings, each incident. It would make sense for Shadow Freddy aka BV to make the FNaF 1 animatronics (that have the souls) follow him, so he could get them dismantled and for William to free the souls just so they follow Shadow Freddy's orders and block off the exit from the safe room. And so when William "dies", I think that's when The Happiest Day takes place. The second MCI (or DCI as some people prefer) including agony BV (in form of Golden Freddy that the soul BV is waiting for the cake with the first MCI kids) and Shadow Bonnie give the kids their Happiest Day and so they move on. Obviously, there is Molten!MCI because I follow a theory that Michael is the one to be helping William with his experiments, and so he takes the remains of the parts that have remnant in them and then goes down to the bunker to do the experiments with remnant, to fulfill his father's mission of making things and even people come to life. He then works there, unaware of CB that's self-aware (cause of course it's Elizabeth) and he works there the next 5 days as a night guard just to get scooped. Ennard then ejects himself out of Michael and with the remnant inside, Elizabeth begins speaking through Ennard, saying "You won't die" over and over again to stop Michael's soul from resting. I hope you can see where I'm going with this. Basically Michael, Elizabeth and William are working together, manipulated by their father into thinking they're doing the good. And so Michael says he's going to find his father and so he creates the attraction "Fazbear's Frights" (FNaF 3). The next theory I include into this is that Henry is the night guard in FNaF 3 (FuhNaff's theory). Michael breaks into the safe room and tries to communicate with his father but with no avail, and so he gives William remnant so he can walk around and the next day he becomes active. Father and son communicate, making plans. But as night 5 passes by, Michael finds a newspaper that says Fazbear Fright's has been burned down. He rushes there to find nothing and no one. He believes his father is still present somewhere, still out there, and so he goes searching again. He finds Henry that created his own attraction (FNaF 6). Henry then makes Michael realize what he's been doing, refreshing his nonexistent brain and so he helps Henry take all the scrapped animatronics inside and burn the place down. As I mentioned, BV watches over, but now he's watching inside Molten Freddy. He recognizes and sees that Michael is making up for his mistakes, that he changed. But he wouldn't forgive William, he didn't change a bit either. Anddd... the fire happens, William's taken to his hell like Henry promised.
Also, forgot to mention the five missing children thing. I'm sure that BV is just a soul that haunts the restaurant but then gets found among the other four victims. Another part of my theory is that William unplugged BV's life support and took his body, stuffing it inside of the suit that he died from and was retired.
And the both BVs possessing Golden Freddy from time to time could work as well. It didn't always have to be Shadow Freddy and Golden Freddy separately cause after all Shadow Freddy is like a recreation of Golden Freddy but made of dark remnant and it isn't real.
You don't really have to process this or anything. It's a fun theory of mine and I don't really care much about evidence. The whole story is just a whole speculation anyway and making theories is fun on its' own.
@@Fredboyos Really interesting interpretation! Even if I don't really agree with it, it's a very cool narrative! I'd like to point out that even if William is a suspect of the MCI, that doesn't mean he was a suspect of Charlie's murder, so his name still wouldn't have been tainted by that.
And I like that you include Michael changing his mind before FFPS, because Scraptrap attacking Michael there had always been an issue with FuhNaff's theory. Although, why would Henry say the volunteer "somehow found this job, not intended for {him}" if he talked to him beforehand?
The idea of separating BV into Shadow Freddy and his regular soul is a really good way of explaining the Logbook! You still run into the issue of William having killed the Vengeful Spirit, which doesn't quite work with BV!Fifth, and in your interpretation BV doesn't hate Michael to put him in UCN. So, unless you believe in Andrew!TOYSNHK, I don't see how UCN works. Also, what's up with Princess Quest, if the Princess isn't Cassidy?
But anyways, I really like your theories! They're very creative! Thanks for sharing!
@@Silent_N_Productions That is true, I didn't really think of that. No one would really specifically suspect him especially when implying he's the only owner and he didn't meet Henry so he knows nothing of Will and how he acts.
By the way, you can freely correct me on things. As I said, my theories are based mainly on my own narrative and I have no strong evidence - currently making it up with things I have on top of my head; so if there's anything lore wise that I must not know or I forgot, then inform me.
And maybe he said "And to you, my brave volunteer," because the volunteer was brave enough to go against all the crazy animatronics; and when speaking of Michael, his own family so they're put to rest, also ruining William's plan. And then "who somehow found this job listing, not intended for you.", cause maybe someone else was meant to be going under Henry's orders. Why? Listen to how he continues. "Although, there was a way out planned for you. I have a feeling that's not what you want. I have a feeling that you are right where you want to be." That means that the random person who was meant to help Henry had their exit that they could go through it after helping Henry with his plan to end it all. But it was Michael, so he assumed he'd want to stay with his family and rest with them.
Okay, so let me add another part of my BV theory in. I didn't think it'd be necessary, but I theorized that William was the reason for his death because he knew BV knew too much about his intentions and he knew that he couldn't keep tormenting him forever because soon enough he'd get used to it and then get him exposed. So he did something with the jaws of Fredbear so when Michael plays the prank, the jaws force shut on his head cause I'm surely normally they would just get stuck and go back up eventually and back down just gently nomming on his head but obviously not causing injuries. Also as I mentioned, I theorized that William unplugged his life support. Possibly when he found out there was a chance that BV could survive. It also explains how BV possesses Golden Freddy in the first place if William carried his body and hid it in the animatronic. Oh, and it could also make him a missing kid since his body magically disappeared from his hospital bed.
Yes, he does not hate nor put Michael in UNC.
Also another topic I thought wouldn't be important - though I don't understand how it changes the perspective of UCN - but Shadow Bonnie could as well be in place of Andrew!TOYSNHK since as I explained, it could be a tester of the suit that was springlocked during the testing and was left to suffer through the painful death by Afton.
And in my opinion the agony BV can be the Princess just like Cassidy is. BV's name could be Cassidy for all we know since it's a gender neutral name.
@@Fredboyos Your narrative is really cool!
I guess the Henry thing could work, even if it’s a bit funky. Cool concept!
I think the ShadowBonnie!TOYSNHK idea is pretty neat, even if it doesn’t have the best evidence.
And BV being the Princess definitively sounds a bit strange, but wouldn’t be the first time we have a character who uses both he and she pronouns (*cough* Mangle *cough*), so I guess it can work!
Thank you for writing all that, I really enjoyed reading it all!
All these mental gymnastics when the answer is as simple as "it's about andrew"
IMO that requires even more mental gymnastics, even though it's of course a good theory. The idea that Scott was already thinking about Andrew by the release of FFPS, when Fazbear's Frights was only announced a full year after FFPS came out, and the first book came out a year after that, just seems strange when FFPS was meant to tie up loose ends.
Then you have all the things about the rain and purple car and Curse of Dreadbear and "later that night" (which I'm pretty sure AndrewMM doesn't have a very good explanation for), and its tarts to feel like you have to ignore a bit too much evidence. Not to mention the further gymnastics needed to assume StitchLine!Games, which is also pretty controversial.
Overall, Andrew!MM isn't a bad theory, but it really isn't any simpler than Afton!MM under most interpretations.
If Midnight Motorist is actually about anything other than the Aftons (or something like Orange Guy not being William), I might actually quit this series.
There's only so many red herrings and misdirects one can take before getting completely fed up.