The Bite of 87; A Retrospective on FNAF's Oldest Mystery
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- čas přidán 4. 07. 2024
- FNAF theories have existed ever since the release of the first game, but back then, there was no bigger mystery than the elusive Bite of 87. It’s possibly the oldest question mark raised by the franchise, and thus, one which has been talked about to death. Discussion on it may have slowed down over the years, but many discuss it to this day.
So, indulge with me in this exercise in memory, so we can learn together how this theory has evolved, and how it may have changed FNAF theorizing forever.
Old mysteries: 00:00
The Bite of ‘87: 00:35
What does FNAF 1 tell us?: 1:15
Ruling out Chica and Bonnie: 1:37
Foxy; the first main candidate: 2:15
Freddy; a strange alternative: 3:00
IT’S HIM: 3:34
Who did it?: 4:24
Babe, wake up, FNAF 2 just dropped: 5:21
A new question; the victim: 5:40
The culprit; a theory in crisis: 7:08
Something borrowed, something new; the Toys: 8:00
Mangle: 8:55
Mangle!87 has been accepted: 10:50
Babe, wake up, new FNAF teaser just dropped: 11:33
Was it me?: 11:53
WAS THAT THE BITE OF ‘87?!: 13:20
WAS THAT NOT THE BITE OF ‘87?!: 14:31
WAS THAT THE BITE OF ‘83?!: 15:05
The slow migration to Two Bites: 16:08
Sister Location’s big reveal: 16:24
1983 is official: 16:46
The consequences of Two Bites (MY OPINION): 17:00
How the Bite of ‘87 discourse changed as well: 18:48
Toy Chica: 19:22
My opinion on ToyChica!87: 22:52
Two answers, again: 24:00
A third culprit appears!: 24:08
Withered Chica: 24:20
Why W;Chica!87 doesn’t work: 24:40
Back to two… and that’s it: 25:20
The drought of ‘87: 25:30
The unimportance of ‘87: 26:34
Maybe we were right…: 27:22
A relic of the past: 27:40
Godspeed, Bite of ‘87: 28:08
Nobody else will point it out but your flawless switching between he/him and she/her for mangle had me cackling
I mean, if that's how Scott refers to him, then it's the official way to refer to her XD
@@Silent_N_Productions I have a genuine respect for anyone who keeps up the running "gag" of Scott referring to them with male and female pronouns back and forth seamlessly. I'm always listening for it💀
I was about to point that out myself. I love that everyone does notice the small details.
Well, Mangle DOES have two heads, it's possible that one of them is female and another is male.
Scott making another seperate previously unknown bite will always be, the dumbest descion to me. It just feels like a slap to the face to one of the longest running mysteries that's just left unsolve now, while he makes a completely seperate bite that's somehow more deadly and plot important then the original, and was then never mentioned again afterwards. The way it's date was revealed was so stupid too, like who puts the current year on a tv show that can easily be written off by a rerun or copyright date, like why couldn't he put the date on a calender or you know, something reasonable.
Among all of FNAF's strange lore decisions, this one always stands out as extremely unnecesary. And I imagine the only reason the date was revealed like that is that anything better would have been "too obvious", God forbid we actually know what's going on for once. Thanks for your comment!
I firmly believe the fnaf 4 bite was retconned in development from the bite of 87 to 83 bc Scott remembered the 87 bite victim survived losing his frontal lobe but the crying child clearly didn’t
That is what it looks like from the teasers versus the final product, yeah. It sure was a mess :v. Thanks for your comment!
Good theory but like why exactly would FNaF 2 take place in 1987 but mention Fredbear's as old, you would think Scott would be like "wait this doesn't make sense cause of FNaF 2" instead of specifically being like "wait the victim survived the bite of '87 as said in this one specific phone guy line"
fun fact, Scott Cawthon was asked in public at a meet and greet "what gender is mangle?"
Scott simply said "yes"
Firmly believe the bite of 87 was retconned into the bite of 83, thats what makes the most sense and is the most consistent.
The phone guy is an unreliable narrator and most likely misremembered or messed up the dates, or even just that, it was a retcon.
Interesting! I’ve never heard this take before! I’m still pretty sure there are two bites, since as weird as Phone Guy’s dialogue can get at times, everything which implies Jeremy was bitten is a bit difficult to ignore. But still happy to hear your thoughts!
nah that can't be since the bite of 87 was what closed the fnaf 2 location.
The bite of ‘87 happened DURING FNAF 2 and led to the location’s closing, this is literally impossible. Frankly I think it is odd people find there being 2 bites clunky at all? Places aren’t getting constantly closed for no reason
If this was the case, then why would that particular bite stop the company from letting the robots roam during the day?
1. Fred bear was on stage. The biting had nothing to do with him walking around and it's implied that they couldn't walk back then since an actor in a suit was needed for them to roam.
2. Fred Bear did not actively bite anyone himself. A kid was shoved into his mouth by OTHER KIDS. Why would action be taken against the robots when it was a problem with the kids?
I think the fnaf 4 bite was retconned from the bite of 87 to 83 late in development bc Scott remembered the 87 bite victim survived without his frontal lobe while the crying child clearly didn’t
Geez, this was a *literal* headache. Good analysis though!
With the FNAF movie as essentially a reboot of the franchise, I think Scott will just make The Bite of 87 the Fredbear bite at this point because it's just more plot relevant and easy for fans to understand.
I’m glad you liked it! Yeah, I can see Scott making that change for the sake of newer fans, it definitively makes things a whole lot simpler!
I'm really enjoying your content, even when you don't agree with a theory, you give it credit when it deserves it.
Personally I believe that when FNAF 2 came out, the culprit really was meant to be Mangle, and when fnaf 4 came out and we got the whole 'why is Toy Chica missing her beak?' it was referencing dream theory.
After SL however, Scott got rid of Dream Theory and had to recontextualize a lot of hints, and he decided to recontextualize the 'Why is Toy Chica missing her beak?' to 'She is missing it because it's in Jeremy's forehead, because she did the bitting'.
Or maybe she just said that in UCN as a joke calling back to that old question, which is now a dead thread and Scott made her say the forehead instead of straight up saying the frontal lobe to avoid people believing ToyChica!87
Either way, awesome video
Glad you enjoyed it! I like your interpretation of ToyChica!87, I think it fits quite nicely with Scott's history of possible retcons!
I was casually watching your other videos and they were so good that I had no idea that you were a newer channel until I checked! Your content is really good so far. Can't wait to see more from you. Good job, man!
Thank you so much! I’m glad to hear you enjoy my content!
Mangle=bite 87 Mangle=foxy
I think it's pretty obvious that "the Bite of '87" was meang to be a throwaway line in FNAF intended to drive players' imaginations for better spooks, and thus never had an intended "perpetrator". As people latched unto the idea and theorizing around it became popular, Scott tried in FNAF2 to make it even more vague who did the Bite of '87 than it already was to cover his ass and drive fan theories while he figured out what to do with that thread. With FNAF3, he made an effort to step away from the topic entirely and focus on other parts of lore in hope people would just come up with their own conclusion (read: whatever theory was most popular at the time) and move on. People continuing to focus on the Bite of '87 encouraged Scott to center FNAF4 around the topic while giving him an opportunity to retcon the event into something he probably thought was more manageable. By FNAF4, the strands of FNAF lore were already staring to become a little messy, and FNAF3 was supposed to be the "end" anyways, so why wouldn't he try to retcon something he may have felt couldn't be cleanly intergrated into how he by then intended FNAF's lore to be? This even makes sense with the belief that the change was a last minute decision. But of course, by then people weren't gonna let the "original" bite go, so now Scott had split the narrative and confused the community, something he spent the rest of his FNAF tenure trying to manage.
The Bite of '87 was never intended to be as central of a plot point as people made it out to be, and thus Scott bungled incorporating it into the larger story. That simple.
If Scott just stuck with keeping the Fredbear bite the bite of 87 or just showed the bite of 87 we would be a lot better with the timeline maybe
Nah fredbear doing that bite is impossible
Don't forget about: *BOUNCEPOT*
Truly, the most important of all easter eggs
I didn’t even have to look to know you were gonna play him saying “WaS tHaT tHe BiTe oF ‘87?!!?”
I actually remember hearing about the Toy Chica theory a bit after FNAF4's release because the beak thing in the mini game, also other evidence is her being able to take off her beak in FNAF2.
Which, I think I also heard the taking off the beak thing around FNAF2 as well but in like ONE CZcams video and no where else.
Also, neat video! Felt pretty nostalgic hearing all about the Bite of 87 lmao
Damn, you heard a visionary! Glad you liked the video!
I think my favorite bite theory is the one that says Michael was the victim and Mangle was merely used like a tool by Golden Freddy to get revenge on his brother... Despite nothing in the theory making sense, I love it.
Maybe the Bite of 87’s perpetrator was the friends we made along.
So happy i got thos video in my recommendeds today! Thanks for the video, looking forward to your future content
I’m glad you enjoyed it! Thanks for your comment!
I think it is definitely toy chica because i don’t see how mangle would “walk around during the day”
Fair, though I guess you could argue Mangle *does* move at nighttime, so we know he can. Phone Guy never calls it out as impossible, so I believe it makes sense for her to walk during the day, too. Thanks for your comment!
Oh I'm so glad I found this video. The Bite of 83 is extremely narratively unsatisfying, I have thought for a while. Now I found a video where someone says it. Thank you. Good retrospective, and good demonstration on the terrible storytelling of FNAF tbh, even if that wasn't intended.
Thank you for making this video. You earned yourself a very deserved new subscriber.
I'm glad you enjoyed it! Thanks for subscribing!
The Bite of ‘87 is emblematic of what changed about FNAF theorising as a whole. Maybe due to FNAF 4 undergoing possible serious changes both before release and retroactively in the lore, the Occham’s Razor theories became much less trustworthy. Sister Location’s futuristic aesthetic has nothing to do with its timeline placement.
I firmly believe FNAF 4 was when the narrative started to lose me. I do love parts of post FNAF 4 lore (mostly in character arcs, the idea of Michael on this quest to undo the wrongs of his father or Henry choosing to burn it all away in a proper conclusion as opposed to… whatever FNAF 4 was originally aiming for as an ending), but in terms of mechanics it became less about taking the ideas presented at face value and more about trying to tie minor details or questioning the canonicity of the evidence you find for whatever theory you come up with.
This video is really well written and I can tell the love put into it!
I’m glad you think so! Thanks for the compliment!
My headcanon about the voice line where Toy Chica says her beak is "lodged in your forehead, of course!" wasn't about some incident that happened in the past.
Her beak is "lodged in your forehead" because she killed you... a few seconds before she said that line. I'm pretty sure that's it, just her taunting you after she kills you.
While watching this, I just thought that maybe the FNAF 4 box is sort of a metaphor for older theories like The Bite of 87'. The canonical answer will be forever locked away, no matter how hard you try to find the keys, so just move on now.
That’s a really cool interpretation! Thanks for sharing!
Still bullshit
Your videos are amazing man, I hope you gain more followers in the coming weeks.
I'm glad you like them!
My theory is that it was withered chica, because in FNAF help wanted she has blood on her endo jaw
Nah
The withered chica blood thing might actually be proof (kinda), because it's in an IN-UNIVERSE game, that was probably(never played fnaf before) made after the bite of '87.
Personally i think its mangle.
The reason behind this is kind of a headcanon but let me explain
In FNaF3 the phantoms are hallucinations caused by the shitty maintenance in the FNAF 3 locations. now the FNaF 3 player is either Michael or Henry(due to their history with Fazbear Inc in general and William himself)
Now while Michael’s hallucinations are caused by his Night Guarding experiences in the Establishment throughout the years.Fir Henry i think we can play around a little
What if the Phantoms are a representation of each mistake He unwilling caused due to his inaction.
Phantom Freddy-Fazbear in general or The MCI that happened in the original Freddy’s
Phantom Chica-Suzie the first MCI victim
Phamtom Foxy-Likely a representation of Michael Afton
The kid of his business partner that got caught up in his fathers sins+sins of his own
Phantom Puppet-his daughter.notably she has the longest jumpscare…maybe his guilt is affecting him more?
Phantom BB-The DCI(FNaF2 save them minigame victims)
And Phantom Mangle-The Bite of 87 culprit that lead an innocent man by one of his creation(…if he’s not the Freddy Bully in FNAF4 but regardless he got caught in the middle)
[A reminder before you read this comment: Do not hate others for their theories. Theories are just ways to show our creativity in trying to fit all the pieces together]
I just want to point out something odd about Chica in FNaF 1 that may be potential evidence for Chica being the original animatronic to do The Bite of '87: Jumpscare
You see, Chica's jumpscare is only one to... stand out by single aspect : teeth
While other animatronics have their teeth set where they normally are during jumpscare animation, Chica seems to have additional teeth on top of beak, most likely ENDOSKELETON teeth, looking how they look like
Of coure, it is impossible for Chica to do that in FNaF 1 design, but it was to show hint which type of animatronic did it [in this case, Chica]
I have a quick theory: Mangle after being rebuild manifested two robots with different heads which share the same body ~ The bigger head is referred as "her" (since I am pretty sure that no man from FNAF universe uses lipstick) and the smallest head is referred as "him".
This is very nice
I'm glad you liked it!
Diablo, amigo, cuando ví tu vídeo pensé que tendrías muchas más visitas y subscriptores, la calidad de tus vídeos es increíble, te felicito :3
Muchas gracias! Me alegra que te guste :D
I do agree that it had to be either Mangle or Toy Chica, but personally I think it was Toy Chica. The biggest reason behind my thinking is that after a certain point they would just stop putting Mangle in the kids cove during the day because she might scare or traumatize the kids. The phone guy even says that after a while they stopped putting him back together. This seems plausible to me because, as expressed in the third game, the phone dude shares training tapes for employees, and they say to avoid bleeding out in front of kids so they don’t get traumatized :)
That does sound possible! Although Phone Guy also mentions Mangle was kept as a “pull-apart, put back together attraction”, which sort of implies he’s still being used. Not only that, but she’d also be in really close proximity to the children. Either way, thanks for sharing your view!
The ending was just the perfect explanation of my mind right now
did 87 even happen? everyone assumes 83 happening means there were 2 bites, but Scott did say he only retconned one detail, and considering the complete fluff that most "understood" details are speculation. a solid detail like a said detail changing would definitely be considered a retcon, not an alternative theory.
24:21 i honestly find it interesting to think omc is phone guy
good video mate
Thanks, mate!
I think initially it was supposed to be Golden Freddy with Foxy as a red herring. After that, it’s most likely Mangled. Everything else after that were more red herrings. While the lore nerd in me kinda hated the fake-out, the troll in me really loved it.
i think we need to remember one thing
maybe it wasn't a literal bite. it could of been an animatronic smashing their beak/mouth into someones head
Like the theory and whatnot, but I think you would benefit from a good pop filter and some space between you and the mic to prevent all the mic pops and staticy breaths during recording. But overall, great production.
24:20 i am from the spanish speaking part and I can confirm this, actually in the Spanish community do not talk about relevant theories, and the only “good theoristh” is call Sunam Nampster and his theories are very bad, for some reason he says that is “confirmed” that phone guy color is green.
PD: Are you a Spanish speaker and you do videos in English ? I don’t know if it is the audio quality but you don’t sound like a native english speaker
Yeah, the Spanish speaking community can get pretty wild at times. I’m not sure if Sunam is the ONLY good theorist, but he’s definitely up there. And with all due respect, that should tell you something.
Yeah, my native language is Spanish. I have a pretty noticeable accent XD. I just do videos in English because I feel like it, though I will put Spanish subtitles on all of them eventually.
Love the content, but I I’d like to suggest moving further away from your microphone while recording your narration. Put a little distance between yourself and the mic to avoid the maxed out volume blowout.
Thanks for the advice! I'll try to implement it, though I've already recorded another video, so , oops. Glad you liked the content otherwise!
@@Silent_N_Productions this is the only complaint I have as well! It’s a bit distracting):
Fredbear did the bite of 83 and Golden Freddy did the bite of 87
Golden freddy has the same texture because scott didn't make a new model for GF and used his freddy model and played around with the hue
When FNAF was first coming out I was unimpressed by it. I was in college then. The game seemed low effort, the fanbase seemed annoying. I didn't care for it. I was a big fan of game theory though, so I stuck watching it. And over the years I saw plenty of youtubers have fun with, and '22 and '23 have seen a rise of very competent theory writers for FNAF. RyeToast, Fuhnaff, IDs Fantasy, SireSquawks, HyperDroid, you. Seeing people speak with so much passion about things that can be this complicated kind of endeared me to the series in a way. While I admitedly never played any of the games, the amount of lore content I've watched and read of this is unhealthy. So I don't know. My opinion might be worthless or it might be fresh new, I wouldn't know. I didn't really get to be part of the community when these things would have been discussed the most.
To me, "the Bite" is an important "inciting event", so to speak, in the series. Without having the animatronics commit an act "out of their own volition" that builds fear around them, all we have is a murder mystery and a game of hide and seek with no stakes. The bite is what actually make the haunted things monsters instead of just passive victims.
There are a few things to note:
First- FNAF was Scott's last shot at making a game, but by no means I think this meant he didn't have an idea for FNAF. There's plenty left unexplained in FNAF for it to have room to grow in the odd chance it did work, so I don't think the decisions in here are inconsequential even if the amout of lore in this game is actually low.
Second- The fact that Scott retroactively made CN trigger a Golden Freddy killscreen with the code 1987, tells me, in no uncertain words, that Golden Freddy was the perpetrator of that bite. I also think that most people logic it backwards that it has to be a Toy Animatronic if FNAF 2 introduces new characters in the setting of 87. The fact that Phone Guy introduces the idea only around the classic animatronics speaks also that it had to be one of them.
Third- FNAF 4's minigames slowly became petpeeves of mine, the more I tried to make sense of them. All prerelease content points to this game taking place in 1987, and just days before Scott retcons it. Even someone as fast as he was with his game releases wouldn't have changed game content this fast to reflect the change in implications. But consider this is the retcon that happens and Fredbear biting CC is what FNAF 1's killscreen and phone guy tried to reference, that doesn't change the fact that this change effectively gives us a second bite event now, and we're back to zero on who caused it.
Finally - I remember the release of FNAF World, and Scott's mental state back then, it was right when GTLive was starting to be its own thing. FNAF1 was made kind of out of spite. He made a game out of critics he got. Then he got slightly bitter that it was something he didn't mean to be this successful and tried to end it, but spite out of the new critics for how he tried to end things wouldn't let him. The first read of FNAF World is bitter, ironic, tired and defeated. We actually see a bit of character arc, when he comes back around and decides to take FNAF super seriously after this point and retcons the entirety of FNAF World. That being said, I don't think what he left on FNAF World is completely non-canon as it wasn't meant to be until after the update.
The way he designed the characters to be party members is interesting. It is a mix of character personality, rpg role and game mechanics. Characters have their roles and do things as they are meant to be, but some of their attacks speak of who they are as characters. Like only Balloon Boy and JJ get the move "balloons" because no duh. This applies to other things like the cupcake being exclusive to Chica, etc.
Having this in mind, look at how deliberate the BITE moves are chosen. Most animatronics should be capable of it, but most aren't. "Bite 2" is only available to Nightmare Animatronics, also Springtrap. "Megabite" is assigned to Nightmare, Nightmare Fredbear and Fredbear. "Bite", however sees only two uses. Bonnie and Withered Chica. And I think this spread solves perfectly how this problem goes:
"Mega Bite" is FNAF 4's minigame bite. Fredbear bites CC, and leaves him on the verge of death, haunted by his Nightmare Versions. "Bite 2" is William scaring CC into staying in bed. "Bite 1" is therefore the Bite of 87. So "Bonnie" or "Withered Chica"? Bonnie was Scott's personal fear, so I think it was who he first decided was the retcon, but I think ultimately Withered Chica is the real answer. Her jaw is the most detachable and biting is the only way she could have done damage. It should be noted that being "beaked" is not a "bite". But as another Chica, Chica might be poking fun of that fact.
Matter of fact, I'm so adamant that the movesets in FNAF World mean something, that I think the move "Mystery Box" being related mostly to the Puppet might be a reference on what was inside the FNAF 4 box.
Out of all the toy animatronics, toy chica is the? freakiest? to me. just because it's so human compared to literally the others?
also this video is SUPER good!!
For me, I now question if "The Bite of 87" did happen at all now, reason why is because the animatronics at the time were messed with, not acting right and could of done worst, my through now with the Dead Kids Incident (Aka acton second set of murders known) they were self after that no matter what, they failed and the only one that to them tried was the broken old Freddy, so likely I think the second bite now in the lore after the change in FNAF 4 may not have happen and was made up to explain things to new employees if they question. The Bite was base on a true Bite that happen 4 years earlier then what they said and most people young wouldn't have remember about. Phone guy good at making up stuff in FNAF 1 and 2 like he's force to read scripts or make it up so they won't ask.
It definitively is a possibility, but I’m not sure it’s very likely. The Bite of 87, as redundant as it is narratively, doesn’t actually cause any logical issues, so it seems weird to just retcon it out of existence for no reason. I imagine it still happened, even if it’s not very important.
And come on, give people some credit! 83 and 87 are pretty different years for Phone Guy to confuse them in 93 XD
me encanta tu contenido, realmente espero que puedas conseguir un mejor micrófono lol, new sub.
Me alegra escuchar. Sí, el micrófono es mi mayor enemigo XD
Simple
As seen in fnaf 1 there's a sign that says no pooping on the floor implying someone did that
Well say a kid shat on the floor and mangle slipped landing on the victim biting it causing the infamous bite of 87
And that's why there is a no pooping on the floor rule on the rule sign in fnaf 1
Jeremy was not the victim. Change my mind
could you make a video about Phone Guy
I was considering making a Purple Phone (Purple Guy = Phone Guy) retrospective in the same vein of this video, which would necessarily cover a huge chunk of Phone Guy's dialogue. However, I have a lot of other videos I want to do, so that one might take a while.
If you want a great video about Phone Guy right now, I recommend Notarealname Notatall's character analysis, it's amazing! (Like all her videos tbf)
Very good video but pls don't eat the mic 😢
I apologize for performing the Bite of ‘23 on my microphone.
Jokes aside, I am trying to work on my audio, and the next video should sound a bit better. Thanks for the feedback!
@@Silent_N_Productions i wasn't expecting a reply since i was a bit late but thx for responding. This video was a feed on my page and when i saw that you had less than a 1000 subscribers i was shocked beacause of the very good content, edit and exc... only thing is the audio, other than the fact that you have a strong accent is that every other phrase is like bass boosted beacause of the close mic or idk. Just fix the audio issue not necesseraly changing mic but use it at the correct distance and you will have a ton of subscribers. (Sorry bad english and first the comment was a bit of a joke but now is a reviuw...)
@@alco.l I’m glad you liked the other aspects of the video, at least! Thanks for your feedback, and don’t worry, your English isn’t bad at all!
the way you pronounce "h" is so cool it reminds me of an arabic h
I’m gonna re think how did it
also with her sharp endo-teeth i doubt that she can actually bite it
the big one
hey
Man all this guy needs is a better microphone
Wat I thought it mite be Freddy well I I did think it is g Freddy fazbear
Socio no se cual es el problema pero no se siente bien escuchar un acento tan marcado hablar ingles asumo que lo haces asi para tener mas público pero como hispanohablante esto duele lo siento
Also I am first
Jesus loves you.
Please get a pop filter.