Wow, thanks for going through the pain of testing AXS cassette on 12 speed Di2. There is a ton of misinformation out there regarding this exact combo, especially on Reddit. A lot of people say it works flawlessly. I had a bunch of parts in my Amazon cart and was about to drop a mint on something that had no chance of working. Seeing a video on exactly how poorly it performs was eye opening. You just saved me a bunch of heartache, money, and especially time! Thank you so much.
Thanks Jon, I ordered the Quarq 9100 model and Dura Ace Rings for my Ultegra 8100 set up knowing this will work. Thanks for being the first person to show it off!
Please address the issue of running shimano 12spd cassettes with Sram derailleurs. This is vital, because not all wheels have xdr freehub options and shimano 12spd are backwards compatible with HG freehub bodies. If people want to upgrade to 12spd SRAM, such mix would be a go to option. I would also try SRAM flattop and eagle 12spd mtb chain to work with 12spd shimano cassettes. Hope you can make it happen 😉🤞
@@jonmaloneycycling7593 any updates on compatibility testing? No need for detailed video, just say if shimano 12spd cassette works with SRAM AXS drivetrain (what chain would be best for this). I'm about to buy ultegra 8100 cassette and would like to have a confirmation, since you have both drivetrains at hand
@@samarskyriderI’ve seen a guy doing the test (GC performance) and it works great. I would choose the chain compatible with the cassette (Shimano cassette + Shimano chain)
@@antoineviard4580 Thanks for belated reply. I'm running this combo (SRAM RD + 12spd Shimano Cassette / Chain) since May 2022. Works okay except for front shifting, but this could be due to aftermarket Praxis 12spd chainrings
3:05 have you reconsidered this setup since this video came out; Sram and chain cassette on a shimano derailleur? I'm trying to build a Venge with a 1x setup with Shimano R9270 with a sram 10-33 cassette and a sram chain.
I've got the question, if it's possible to run the shimano 11 speed chainrings on Sram red AXS, because I've got a QUARQ Dfour powermeter and that way I wouldn't need to buy a new one. Thanks for the nice videos!
Great video! The shimano 12 spd cassette on the 12 spd AXS group set would be really interesting. Love my older eTap for the way you shift, but I really don’t like the new gear ratios on the AXS groupset, so if I could use AXS shifters and mechs on more standard chainring/cassette options would be super handy
@@jonmaloneycycling7593 I have to second Lee Sutton's comment/request above. I'd love to see the following: 1) Shimano Chain, 2) Shimano Cassette, and 3) "normal" 11/12 speed chainring ratios (50/34, 52/36), all coupled w/ the AXS front and rear derailleurs. A "Sramano" road setup, if you will. This would give more normal gear ratios, and potentially give better options to those with older 11 speed freehubs & existing power meters, etc., who want to upgrade to wireless shifting. Would also theoretically give more chain options to 12 speed users - KMC, Connex, Shimano, etc.
I've tried this today. Force axs front and rear mech. Shimano 8100 cassette and xtr chain. Everything works fine and all gears are smooth except gear 4 which chatters. Has anyone tried this successfully
I have two Quarq DZero power meters. Now I am contemplating if I’ll be able to run them on AXS 12spd drivetrain. Or if anyone makes 12spd chainring with 5 bolts 110 and 130 BCD.
hi Jon, can i ask something about mix sram and shimano set up? i have a vintage bike eddy merckx with italian thread BB. so far it works with Grx Crankset. but i want to change my crankset with sram red axs 12s crankset. all my groupset (RD-FD-Brifter) use shimano ultegra r8000 11 speed. So, is it possible? if yes, what’s chain and cassette should i use if i want to still use ultegra derailleur with sram red axs 12s? Thanks
Thanks for another great video, Jon! I have a trainer question for you. I noticed that you weren’t using the updated through axle adapters on your Kickr. Have you had any issues with them scuffing on the dropouts? I have the new adapters from SRAM, and my bike fits great on the trainer. However I do experience small scuffing from time to time when mounting the bike and the trainer. Take care.
So you’ve experienced some scuffing from getting the wheel in and out? Same here. I actually put at protective patch on the left chainstay where the rotor was making contact when would remove the wheel. It really helped. Little scratches bug me…but our bikes are tools, not jewels and they’re gonna get “love marks” when we use them 😉👍🏻
Hello, I've found lots of interesting info on your videos, thanks a lot. Would the new dura ace 9200 groupset work with the 9000 chainrings (11 speed 2 gens before)? Thanks!
Will the Sram FD works on a Shimano Crank? Cuz I was thingking about using the quarq Dfour with absoluteBlack oval chainrings on a Sram red FD. If it does, let me know. Thank you
Very interested to see if shimano 11speed cassette will fit the shimano 12speed hubs. I know the other way around works i.e. 12 speed cassette will fit 11speed hub.
I was searching for this demonstration for a very long time since my dream setup would be a 12 speed drivetrain composed of a 10-33 cassette with a single front chainring of 44 or 46 teeth. Now I know that Sram offers this setup but I hate their brakes and batteries system so I would go with Shimano for the rest. The only possibility would be a Sram 12 speed cassette with a Sram chain and the R9270 derailleur and levers so my question is; why does the sram 12 speed chain shifts so poorly on a sram 12 speed cassette when combined with a 12 speed Shimano derailleur? Also, I noticed the cassette on the trainer looked like a basic 12 speed Sram cassette instead of the 1290 one that you used on the stand; do you believe it could change something in the shift performance? Edit: do you believe the shifting could be better with a MTB Eagle chain instead of the flat top 12 speed road chain?
I'm thinking the exactly same set up like your (9250 with red axs chain&cassette) ! So have you tried this? Have you manage to solve the shifting issues Thanks
Hello Jon I want to ugrade my BB90 Madone to 12 speed Sram axs. However due to the BB90 i can only use Shimano crankset. Would a shimano 12 speed crankset work with everything else been sram force axs ? Thank you
I did the same thing with my Trek Madone 2019. You can get a BB90 for GPX cranks. Sram offers a Sram red axs crankset with gpx compability, instead of the modern DUB cranks. I would be interested, if you already found another solution to your problem. :)
@@luissteiert6483 My solution is to do the same thing i did with my current 11speed sramano set up. I have shimano cranks/chain/cassette and sram etap fd/rd. It works fine and i assume the same will be with 12speed and i will not have to use xd adapter.
Wow, thanks for going through the pain of testing AXS cassette on 12 speed Di2. There is a ton of misinformation out there regarding this exact combo, especially on Reddit. A lot of people say it works flawlessly. I had a bunch of parts in my Amazon cart and was about to drop a mint on something that had no chance of working. Seeing a video on exactly how poorly it performs was eye opening. You just saved me a bunch of heartache, money, and especially time! Thank you so much.
The chain is the issue.
Thanks Jon, I ordered the Quarq 9100 model and Dura Ace Rings for my Ultegra 8100 set up knowing this will work. Thanks for being the first person to show it off!
thanks for tuning in!
Please address the issue of running shimano 12spd cassettes with Sram derailleurs. This is vital, because not all wheels have xdr freehub options and shimano 12spd are backwards compatible with HG freehub bodies. If people want to upgrade to 12spd SRAM, such mix would be a go to option. I would also try SRAM flattop and eagle 12spd mtb chain to work with 12spd shimano cassettes.
Hope you can make it happen 😉🤞
thank you for the comment and feedback!!
Yes true ..if have same issue right now as cost to convert my enve to xdr quite expensive
@@jonmaloneycycling7593 any updates on compatibility testing? No need for detailed video, just say if shimano 12spd cassette works with SRAM AXS drivetrain (what chain would be best for this). I'm about to buy ultegra 8100 cassette and would like to have a confirmation, since you have both drivetrains at hand
@@samarskyriderI’ve seen a guy doing the test (GC performance) and it works great.
I would choose the chain compatible with the cassette (Shimano cassette + Shimano chain)
@@antoineviard4580 Thanks for belated reply. I'm running this combo (SRAM RD + 12spd Shimano Cassette / Chain) since May 2022. Works okay except for front shifting, but this could be due to aftermarket Praxis 12spd chainrings
A lot of work you done thanks for all this information Lear a lot from you . Thanks 🙏
np!! thanks for watching
Very good video with useful information. It is not easy to make a video. thank you JON , Keep it up!!!! :)
thanks so much!
Extremely interesting.
Thanks to your previous video, I am using a 8150 di2 with 9100 crankset well.
Thank you so much.
nice!! my pleasure
Fair play Jon, what a pain switching that kit 👍
lol thanks
Great video! I would be interested to know if you can run a 12spd Shimano cassette on Sram AXS 12spd?
Thanks man, I will give this a try!
Hi did anyone try this. Does it work?
@@jonmaloneycycling7593 hi Buddy did you try this?
@@ianhunter9971 Iam going to give it a try
@@jonmaloneycycling7593 Have you had a chance to run this yet?
3:05 have you reconsidered this setup since this video came out; Sram and chain cassette on a shimano derailleur? I'm trying to build a Venge with a 1x setup with Shimano R9270 with a sram 10-33 cassette and a sram chain.
I've got the question, if it's possible to run the shimano 11 speed chainrings on Sram red AXS, because I've got a QUARQ Dfour powermeter and that way I wouldn't need to buy a new one.
Thanks for the nice videos!
Great video thank u very much u always invest a lot of time congratulations from 🇦🇹🇦🇹🇦🇹👍👍👍✌️✌️
thank you
Thanx for taking the time to do and share this ...
np! thanks for watching
Great video! The shimano 12 spd cassette on the 12 spd AXS group set would be really interesting. Love my older eTap for the way you shift, but I really don’t like the new gear ratios on the AXS groupset, so if I could use AXS shifters and mechs on more standard chainring/cassette options would be super handy
thanks for the comment!!
@@jonmaloneycycling7593 I have to second Lee Sutton's comment/request above. I'd love to see the following: 1) Shimano Chain, 2) Shimano Cassette, and 3) "normal" 11/12 speed chainring ratios (50/34, 52/36), all coupled w/ the AXS front and rear derailleurs. A "Sramano" road setup, if you will. This would give more normal gear ratios, and potentially give better options to those with older 11 speed freehubs & existing power meters, etc., who want to upgrade to wireless shifting. Would also theoretically give more chain options to 12 speed users - KMC, Connex, Shimano, etc.
@@jonmaloneycycling7593 Also, should have put this in my original comment, but thanks for publishing these experiments!!
@@finncox23 np!!
I've tried this today. Force axs front and rear mech. Shimano 8100 cassette and xtr chain. Everything works fine and all gears are smooth except gear 4 which chatters. Has anyone tried this successfully
Extremely helpful, thanks for testing!
thank you
I bought a bike with sram red 11 speed cassette with sram chain on dura ace 9150 groupset and seems to be running good.
Nice!
Is it possible to run KMC 12 speed chain with sram cassette and shimano chainring?
Great videos - keep up the good work.. Daniel from Denmark Europe
thank you
Greet videos - keep up the good work - Daniel from Denmark Europe
thank you
Btw, this is one of a kind video. 👍🏻👏🏻
thank you!!
I have two Quarq DZero power meters. Now I am contemplating if I’ll be able to run them on AXS 12spd drivetrain. Or if anyone makes 12spd chainring with 5 bolts 110 and 130 BCD.
Could adjustment of the B adjuster have a positive effect on the shifting performance as the single SRAM rings is smaller than the Shimano??
No video uploaded. What’s going on? Hope your still riding
hi Jon, can i ask something about mix sram and shimano set up?
i have a vintage bike eddy merckx with italian thread BB. so far it works with Grx Crankset. but i want to change my crankset with sram red axs 12s crankset. all my groupset (RD-FD-Brifter) use shimano ultegra r8000 11 speed.
So, is it possible? if yes, what’s chain and cassette should i use if i want to still use ultegra derailleur with sram red axs 12s?
Thanks
thanks !
thanks for tuning in!
Can I put a quarq sram force powermeter with chainring dura ace ace 9100?
Hi there can I run shimano r8000 52/36t crankset with sram force axs groupset ?
Thanks for another great video, Jon! I have a trainer question for you. I noticed that you weren’t using the updated through axle adapters on your Kickr. Have you had any issues with them scuffing on the dropouts? I have the new adapters from SRAM, and my bike fits great on the trainer. However I do experience small scuffing from time to time when mounting the bike and the trainer. Take care.
Thanks so much bro! I didn’t know they have new adapters, I havn’t had any issues though, I have more problems putting the wheel in and out.
So you’ve experienced some scuffing from getting the wheel in and out? Same here. I actually put at protective patch on the left chainstay where the rotor was making contact when would remove the wheel. It really helped. Little scratches bug me…but our bikes are tools, not jewels and they’re gonna get “love marks” when we use them 😉👍🏻
@@aaronkoch7607 thanks for sharing!!
Hello, I've found lots of interesting info on your videos, thanks a lot. Would the new dura ace 9200 groupset work with the 9000 chainrings (11 speed 2 gens before)? Thanks!
Cool video. Can you run a 12 speed SRAM Red AXS eTap chain on a 12 speed SRAM Force AXS eTap group set for weight savings?
Yes, this will work for sure!
Great video!! Thank you!
thanks for watching!!
Awesome videos. Q's is can we run the sram xx1 12speed chain on the dura ace?
Thanks man, I don’t think that will work
Will my R8000 group set work with sram red’s chain? I want to use it cause the chain looks awesomely beautiful.
No, I would stick with the shimano chain!
Will the Sram FD works on a Shimano Crank? Cuz I was thingking about using the quarq Dfour with absoluteBlack oval chainrings on a Sram red FD. If it does, let me know. Thank you
I think it will work!
I want to use SRAM detaileurs with Shimano cranks and cassette...
Don’t think that would be the best option could wear parts prematurely
i am using sram etap 11sp FD and RD with the rest drivetrain shimano ultegra, all good.
Very interested to see if shimano 11speed cassette will fit the shimano 12speed hubs. I know the other way around works i.e. 12 speed cassette will fit 11speed hub.
No, Shimano 11 speed cassettes do not fit 12 speed hubs :)
Good call, I will try it when I get my hands on the new hubs
Have you tested the front mech axs with shimano chairings? I want bigger chainrings on yhe force
Availability of Etap 11s FD is a mess. Did you try 12s Etap FD on 11s crank?
Not yet, I will give it a try
thumbs up!
thank you
Nice vidieo !!!!,
can we run 11spd duraace casssate in r9270 rear derailleur ?
Thanks man, No this wont work
I was searching for this demonstration for a very long time since my dream setup would be a 12 speed drivetrain composed of a 10-33 cassette with a single front chainring of 44 or 46 teeth. Now I know that Sram offers this setup but I hate their brakes and batteries system so I would go with Shimano for the rest. The only possibility would be a Sram 12 speed cassette with a Sram chain and the R9270 derailleur and levers so my question is; why does the sram 12 speed chain shifts so poorly on a sram 12 speed cassette when combined with a 12 speed Shimano derailleur?
Also, I noticed the cassette on the trainer looked like a basic 12 speed Sram cassette instead of the 1290 one that you used on the stand; do you believe it could change something in the shift performance?
Edit: do you believe the shifting could be better with a MTB Eagle chain instead of the flat top 12 speed road chain?
I think you should not switch the parts and use that parts as per the manufacturer specs
I'm thinking the exactly same set up like your (9250 with red axs chain&cassette) !
So have you tried this? Have you manage to solve the shifting issues
Thanks
Great video .👍
thank you
I always ask myself if the Shimano XTR rotor can be used with Sram groupset.
Nice
11spd cassette on r9200? (With adjusting and setting hi and low screws)
No, you can’t do this for sure.
Does the SRAM FD work well with the Shimano crank/chainrings?
would 12 speed shimano cassette wokd with sram force etap RD?
can i ask what that big water bottle? been looking for big water bottle thx man
This is a polar water bottler
@@jonmaloneycycling7593 thank u sirr
how about the 11s wheelset is it compatible to 12s groupset?
Yes, the 12 speed cassette will go on all 11speed hubs
Can I run the quarq Dfour 9000 with 12 speed ultegra di2?
Yes
Wait, why does this one work but not the DFour 9100 with 12 speed DA? Is it something about this being the older Quarq?
can you run 9200 cassette on sensah 12 speed groupset?
I don’t think so
Hello Jon
I want to ugrade my BB90 Madone to 12 speed Sram axs. However due to the BB90 i can only use Shimano crankset.
Would a shimano 12 speed crankset work with everything else been sram force axs ?
Thank you
I did the same thing with my Trek Madone 2019. You can get a BB90 for GPX cranks. Sram offers a Sram red axs crankset with gpx compability, instead of the modern DUB cranks.
I would be interested, if you already found another solution to your problem. :)
@@luissteiert6483 My solution is to do the same thing i did with my current 11speed sramano set up. I have shimano cranks/chain/cassette and sram etap fd/rd. It works fine and i assume the same will be with 12speed and i will not have to use xd adapter.
You should take a sram crank not a shimano crank
Can you use a 12 speed shimano chain on 12 speed sram groupset?
No, I wouldn’t do this