The Digital XPan with the 30mm Hasselblad XPan lens
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In this video I explain why I think the FUJIFILM GFX 50R is the best alternative to the Hasselblad XPan for a modern handheld panoramic camera body. I also show what it's like to shoot with it an the adapted Hasselblad 30mm f5.6 wide angle lens.
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I wish Fujifilm would include the 65:24 aspect ratio in all their cameras.
So much. And it'd be trivial to do. With medium format film, you'd be wasting a chunk of film just using a panoramic crop (hence the 35mm adapters) but there's no downside on any digital camera - even down to APSC or smaller.
Just use grid lines and crop in post. Same thing
Lainer Martin my cameras do not have 65:24 grid lines
Mike H. ....I feel the same way about my Sony A7R3....which it had more aspect ratio options including 65:24.
Maybe the reason why Fuji do not put 65:24 on their X series is because the sensor is so much smaller that the 65:24 ratio would leave you with too low a resolution. The GFX line is so much wider that even after a 65:24 crop you still have a decent number of mp’s
Lawrence Dunn true, but it would still match most micro four thirds resolution.
A realy good and cheap alternative is the Sigma DP0 quattro, 21:9 ratio, 14mm= 21mm view angle, supersharp till 400 iso,(like film). The resolution is comparable to the GFX and better then scanned Xpan. I own a Xpan kit and the Sigma, and tested the GFX, so can confirm.
I was about to leave exactly that comment. I haven't tried it yet but I actually recently bought the DP0 Quattro for that reason exactly after waiting for a long time to find a good deal.
Isn't the main point of a GFX the large sensor? Quattro is an APSC sensor, right?
List of digital cameras with 65:24 aspect ratio in camera:
GFX50S
GFX50R
GFX100
X1D
X1D II
Panasonic S1R
Panasonic S1
Sigma FP (at least a close one)
I think the cheapest capable camera for 65:24 aspect ratio is the Panasonic S1. You also have the ability to use some fast wide angles in the system, which in my opinion lend themself perfectly for panorama photography
I have the Panasonic S1H, but have never enjoyed using it for photography. It just doesn't FEEL like shooting with the XPan, which is important to me. Probably dumb, I know. :)
@@AndrewGoodCamera Well the S1H is even heavier and clunkier than the S1, but I get your point. It would be nice to see the option in some smaller FF cameras
Some other sigma camera, such as Quattro, also have 21:9
@@ashzhu3085 Shhhh!
Panasonic S5 has it as well.
The most convincing presentation of a digital medium format camera I've ever seen! You and the true panoramic format produce amazing photos
Thanks Max!
Thank you for the video, it inspired me to try the XPan crop on some of my previous photos and it's really fun to play with!
Cool video man! I have a TX-1 and the 45mm and 90mm lenses. Now I want to try this..
Great video, thanks. I have shot using the xpan mode on my Hasselblad X1D II with an adapted Canon FD 28mm f2.8. Almost no vignetting and decent sharpnes. I love that setup, and even though I always shoot in raw the camera captures the whole sensor image making it possible to change cropping, should I regret the panoramic format.
This calms my inner geek. 😀 If any company could make a new film x-pan they surely would get a shitton of money.
oh yes, I've been waiting for thisss
Great video! If this setup gave you a lot of satisfaction, the real thing will give you more. Please note that the Xpan allows you to alternate between 2x3 or panoramic format throughout the 35mm roll. You are not only limited to panoramic format.
Love the gfx50r. Shooting pano and everything else is simply a whole new experience. Nice shots mate. 👌🏼
Thanks!
pfoeeefff OMG. this is sick!
(note to self: got to renovate the house, do not go buy a gfx 50r!)
😂
The best film alternative for the XPAN is the Mamiya 6MF with a 35mm converter kit. The lenses are superb, the setup is compact and the viewfinder gives you framelines for 35mm. The ratios are also almost exactly what they shoot most movies in, which is pretty cool. Cool video, btw!
Regarding the prices for a Mamiya 6Mf on ebay (in January 2022 anyway), you may get away cheaper with a Zenza Bronica ETRSi with the 135W back. Even when the latter costs almost a grand. And neither will make pictures as wide as an X-Pan as both are limited to less than 60mm wide. And once the novelty is worn off, you won't use the panoramic mode very often anyway as it is rather limiting.
I love the 65x24 format on my GFX-50R, and have discovered that my Zeiss C/Y 28/2.8 + non-optical adapter covers this sensor with no vignette, is super sharp and has a surprisingly close focusing distance. One can be had for a few hundred dollars.
Ooh. I like this suggestion. Can you tell me the adapter you went with?
@photobobo 👆🏼
You might be interested in the option of using anamorphic adapters to get a 3:1 aspect ratio. I use a 2x anamorphic adapter on my Hasselblad 501cm with a 6x4,5 back, which gives a 2.6:1 aspect ratio.
Great video, thanks for making & sharing!
Like you, I desire an xpan, but what puts me off is the spares/repair ability should something go wrong with an old expensive xpan (& I’ve read that there is a weakness in the drive system that is prone to failure), that & the realisation that I don’t relish going back to film & the need to finish a roll then develop it prior to obtaining the results....I’ve had a roll in an old Canon 7 Rangefinder for a while now waiting to finish off!
So like you, I’ve concluded that the 50r is the new digital xpan & I want one! Hence why your video appealed to much. I’ve been looking for videos or websites using the 50r specifically as an xpan and found little, then saw your video as a thumb nail to the right of my CZcams window while search for something else, and immediately jumped to your vid!
In the vid, you mentioned you liked the Hasselblad 30mm & were looking forward to the Fuji GF 30mm, because 30mm gives the equivalent on the GFX of 24mm which you like. That’s only partially true I think - the 30mm gives a field of view equivalent to ~24mm on 35mm film/FF sensor, but the perspective or relative size of objects near to the lens vs mid ground vs distance is unchanged.
As for lens suggestions, I’ll share some observations I’ve had with you. On 35mm/FF my personal wide angle sweet spot is 24mm. With a 24mm you get the dramatic wide angle perspective, but it is not so exaggerated that the far distance is so small that it’s lost in the photo. I used a 17-35mm zoom for a while in the past and over time I noticed that at the 17mm end the perspective was heavily tilted toward foreground interest at the expense of the distance, but I appreciated the field of view the 17mm gave. So there are two things going on with a wide angle lens - the field of view it gives & separately, the perspective or ‘balance’ between foreground/mid ground/distance. I’ve come to realise that a 24mm on a GFX would maintain the perspective balance I want (which doesn’t change with sensor crop factor) , while giving a field of view (which does change with sensor crop factor) closer to a 19mm....best of both worlds, to me at least. So with that in mind, my plan is to use a Canon 24 TSE ii on the GFX.
There's not a single day that I don't carry my xpan around with me. I've always seen the world as a movie so having a camera that helps me frame life in a similar vein is just the best. Worth the price really. Thanks for the tip, it'd be nice to have a digital camera that offers the same panoramic field of view. I'll just want until the price on this goes way way way down.
Hi Andrew - nice video. I have been using my GFX 32-45 mm at 32 mm in the 65:24 aspect ratio with amazing results. The zoom has better imaging quality than the GF 30 mm. The Gf 23 mm also works well in 65:24 ratio with stellar “out of this world”, five stars and then some results. Kind Regards BVA from Canada
Great video! However, I've shot the 30mm on my X-Pan and it's a dream lens but on a digital camera like the Fuji it's not that wide. On a real X-Pan it's 50% wider which is a huge difference. There is no way around it, you need a real X-Pan. :D
Right. But it is the 24mm equivalent focal length that I love. Not sure I can handle wider than that in panoramic. 😂 And I agree. I do need an XPan. Let me know when you're ready to sell me yours. ;)
@@AndrewGoodCamera Yes, you'll be the first to know but that day might never come. :P
True, but interestingly, the 30mm on the GFR gives you 24mm full-frame equiv, which when cropped to the xpan ratio (x1.8) comes rediculously close to the 45mm X-pan lens. Of course, it's a bit of a waste of the 30mm X-pan lens, and the announced 30mm GFR lens will be cheaper. Still a solid option if you happen to own the lens already though.
Well, maybe just shoot with the GFX23 mm lens and apply the X-pan crop...?
The Laowa 17mm matches the the xpan wide on the 50R. Also the 0n3 plus 9 phone has xpan bui.t in which is cool.
Beautiful photos Andrew! Great setup. One more for my dream gear list 🤦🏻♂️😂
That list is getting too long for me too. ;)
i would say yeah same same but different :) nothing beats shooting with a real xpan, love that rangefinder in the camera and the smile when you get your scans back.i dont have an adapter , but would love to try my 45mm xpan lens on my 50s
Great video. I love my TX1. I have written about using the 45/4 on my GFX a couple of times. A great setup, but you need the 30mm to get a similar FOV as the 45/TX1 combo. Again. Great video, and great shots.
Hey Jonas. Thanks! Someone pointed me to your posts after I'd posted this. SOOO good!
Denae & Andrew 😃 thank you so much! Really honored. I love your channel. 🖤
thanks i just buy this combo cant wait to try it
Better late than never...about a year ago I was lucky to come across an aga new Hasselblad HCD 28mm f4 for a ridiculous price. Added a Fuji H-adapter and still payed less than the Fujifilm GF 30mm. That lens /adapter offers the choice of lens or camera shutter, too. And, it's quality and rendering are out of this world ! Grtz.
Brilliant. I'll try some contax and Voigt wide angles to see what might work with useable vignetting...gotta get me some adapters. Awesome video.
Nice! yeah I'd love to here what you learn.
U mean that you have frame lines for 65-24 in the viewfinder?
Wohooo that’s amazing, love it.
Thumbs up from Sweden 🇸🇪
//freddie
Yes!
@@AndrewGoodCamera Really? Frame lines like in a rangefinder? That would certainly be awesome, but my understanding was that switching to 62:24 ratio would simply black out the top and bottom.
Great video on the subject! Price point still the main issue it seems haha. I suppose the GFX 50R is a lot more versatile than the XPan so this makes the sticker shock more justified.
Great episode.
Thanks Azriel
Amazing would be so much fun to have this kind of setup one day!
A few years ago Kai(then at DigiRev) and Lok made a video called "Bigger Than Full Frame" they featured the Hasselblad X-Pan, because of that I tried to buy one but I didn't because it was too expensive ($500, can you believe it?) I wish I did. Now it's forbidden to think of getting one.
Great video.
hahaha my thoughts exactly! regrets :(
Definitely the spiritual successor to the Fuji TX-1. They even look kinda similar. I regret not buying one too😖
Try the Mamiya 645 35mm f/3.5 lens.
I use one with a tilt-shift adapter for a lot of product work and it's great!
You can do the focal reducer and Pentax 67 or Hasselblad 500 lens combo. It'll get you pretty close to film MF in terms of FOV.
very interesting lens. I'd love to shoot it on my GFX - really love pano format :-)
Hey Andrew, I keep coming back to this video! I tried to replicate a similar workflow with an x-t2 and xf 16mm f2.8 (shot at f4 and beyond of course :D). I think it is a bit too wide. What would focal length would you recommend for aps-c fuji cameras?
The Koni Omega system had two really nice wide angle lenses they 58 and 60mm. I have seen adapters for the GFX system for them too.
thank you for this video that I just watched entirely without seeing the time!
i think it's the ideal companion to age with this little jewel of technology trying to find the same hasselblad lens.
Possible to use with new GF30mmF3.5 R WR or GF20-35mm F4 R WR or GF23mmF4 R LM WR
thanks again for sharing -:)
Hi...very nice video! There is a Mamiya Sekor C 3.5/35mm N for the 645. very nice lens. shoud work
Lots of happy nostalgia in your video for me - the XPan was my favourite camera/lens combo back in film days - something magic about the came/lens combo. People forget just how 'high end' Fuji were back in film days with their studio cameras and lenses -great company. I believe that Hasselblad discontinued XPan because of mercury soldering issue in bodies against some EEU rules...they are still not forgiven for that..-:)
The in-camera (viewfinder) crop for the JPG files is a great compositional aid so that you get what you are seeing in the frame- the XID has the same function and my Leica SLs only have the 3:1 ratio which is a tad too long for cinematic composition but better than nothing. The one trick I picked up whilst using the XPan was to have subject close to lens and let the environment surround it on a side or either side..almost anamorphic the effect
Surprised you are still using LR for Fuji files.
Thanks again
Pete
I use LR when I want to compare photos side by side, or show how I do crops etc. Aside from that I just use the JPG out of camera or small tweaks in C1.
Hi Andrew, just coming back to this video as I noticed the new Panasonic S5 has the same Xpan aspect ratio of 65:24 which got me a little intrigued just for that reason :)
Those images a stunning. I'm also really inspired to change up my crop, next time I go shooting. :-D
Thanks!
What a coincidence, I just did a few 65:24 digital crops today and I love the results but I have to say for fast paced shooting it's safer for me to have the full picture and crop later than to set it in-camera. Oh I see the raw file can be uncropped.
Yes!
I wish Fujifilm would put this same crop in the menu of their APS-C cameras. Sure the MP drop is substantial, but it would be nice to have option.
Agreed
not sure if anyone mentioend it yet, but the Nikkor 28mm f/3.5 PC Ai-S Lens is a good and cheap alternative to the Xpan 30mm.
didn't know the GFX50R had a xpan crop factor, this camera has moved up on my wish list now as I miss shooting with the Xpan.
Hi, I watched your duel with the sigma HD quattro H, and I was totally in love with the panorama format ! So what will be your final choice today for a digital pano camera: sigma HD, Fuji or the Blad ?
Bought tx-1 with 45 and 30 mint for 2.5k $ recently. Feeling lucky 😊
I'd say! Great find
Dude, are you shooting with the GFX50 now? Nice upgrade! Always a pleasure!
Yes. But I still shoot with Fuji X devices as well. The hard part is just deciding which now. There are not enough hours in the day.
Great vid. For long distance shots, any camera can give you the 65-24 aspect ratio look with a crop in post. Distance will level the playing field with all sensors/neagatives. But there is a sweet spot where a 65mm width of film/digital sensor (or larger)...will give you a special look. It's the look of being wide angle, yet having no wide angle distortion. Perfect for vlogging, BTW. This look is also much better than the more famous anamorphic lens look, which only has horizontal flare going for it.
The original 45mm F4 Xpan lens had this special look of being really wide, yet not distorted. Portraits were the best use of this lens and the special look. It created a surreal portrait. But you had to be just the right distance to the subject, in order to trigger the look. And you needed other elements in the scene that were at the right distance from the subject, to trigger the look. And bokeh wasn't your friend because then you would remove the relationship between the subject and the scene behind/around them. If you got it right, then the image really looked very different and otherworldly. If you shot someone standing in front of a plain white wall with an original Xpan and a 45mm F4, it wouldn't trigger the look.
One could argue that the 90mm F4 Xpan would be even better to create a surreal look. But then you would get too much compression. I think about 70mm would be the sweet spot for human faces. It would trigger "the look" and not introduce too much distortion of any kind. With a full frame 35mm width digital sensor, the only practical way to mimic the X-Pan look is to use a 50-70mm full frame lens. Then figure out the trigger distance/scene setup for the look. Make sure the light is even throughout the scene. Then take one normal shot of a person with them in the middle of the frame. Then turn your body slightly to the left or right. Then shoot another picture of the scene only. Then sew the images together in post. If the person remains static and you turn your body just right. And you have good software to sew the images together...you get a pretty close approximation to the look. But you can only do static portraits and you have to get all your trigger distances just right.
If you shoot still life or architecture, then you can use this technique all you want. But it's such a pain in the ass that it's not really worth it...especially for portraits. Portraits are about capturing a moment. And that means the only practical solution is a digital X-pan with a proper 65mm sensor. And even then, you need the trigger distances or you don't get the look.
Most people who want an X-Pan, really have no idea what they want because they don't really know what medium format is. These people are just gear heads who like numbers. There are very few artists out there who understand what medium format or large format, and have a solid opinion on it. These large formats are not about image quality. That wasn't their strong suite. It was about the size of the negative/sensor and how it could be manipulated to create "a look" that could not be easily replicated any other way. To be fair, the only other thing that a big negative/sensor could create...is tonality. Especially color tonality. It's hard to describe it, but colors looked special. Very smooth. It's hard to duplicate this look with smaller sensors/negatives. Even the original X-pan was in danger of not being big enough to trigger the special tonality because it was just 35x24mm film stock. I'm not sure what the sweet spot dimensions for this special tonality are, but bigger is usually better.
Mmm. Yeah I've heard this argument before. I don't mean to discount it. I don't have enough experience with MF to have experienced what you're describing. But you haven't described why I love MF, and it's mostly about having a huge amount of flexibility both in dynamic range and in crop. Well, and being able to simulate shooting with the Hasselblad, which is as much for me about the experience as the result.
Almost a year later, I'm seriously thinking of selling *all* (or at least most) of my camera gear just to get the GFX 50R. I'll probably keep some vintage lenses that wouldn't fetch much $$$ in the first place, at least until I can manage to get some native glass like the GF 30mm.
Shooting 35mm on a pentax 67 gave me that ratio. It’s a little work preparing it and thrn taking the roll out but it works lol
I agree. I owned the Hasselblad XPan with 45mm lens. It was my favorite camera. I sold it because Hasselblad no longer fixes them. I really wish Fuji would come out with an digital TX1. I use a film camera, a Fuji point and shoot panoramic camera. Cheaper version. of course you can get Lomo cameras, etc. Now way can I justify a GFX purchase. I'd rather search for used gear and save money.
For my GFX50R, I recently adapted the 28mm f4, 35mm f2.8, 50mm f2.8, and 50mm f1.9, Schneider - Kreuznach Xenar, Xenon, Curtagon lenses from the Kodak Retina series. The entire lens series proved to be amazingly sharp with no vignetting. I was shocked and delighted! In my opinion, of all the lenses I have paired with my GFX50R, the Retina lenses most closely emulate the Hasselblad Xpan experience. Field of view, no vignetting, no image distortion.
(Other lenses I have tried on the GFX50R: Canon FD series (all focal lengths), Mamiya 645 lenses (all), Pentagon 6 Zeiss lenses (all).
That really surprises me to hear as these are such small lenses with such small openings. Do you have image samples somewhere? I would love to see how they do.
@@AndrewGoodCamera The Retina lenses were on the bottom of my "try" list for the same reason you noted. The lens barrel design is so small at the rear; I was convinced that they would vignette. I was pleasantly surprised with the results.
The 35mm f2.8 comes with a small black plastic rectangular lens hood, similar in design to the Hasselblad Xpan hood, only much smaller.
It also has a focusing tab on the lens barrel which makes manual focusing a joy.
I'll put together a sampling of each focal length and post a link.
The 46.9mm diagonal in 65:24 crop the GFX 50R has is just a tiny bit wider than the 43.3mm image circle FF has. So many FF lenses should work without any issue on the GFX50R in "XPAN" mode. (They often do even in 4:3 mode)
So my suggestion would be to just use a fast 28 or 35mm FF lens to get your 24mm equiv in XPAN mode. There are many options, both far cheaper and faster than what you will find in the MF options
MegaWeitzel Distortion is the problem with normal FF lenses
@@RevKev5 Why should it be?
MegaWeitzel The problem when mounting FF lenses on Crop MF is not image circle size,
but FF mount diameter that is very often too small and cuts the corners of the MF image.
@@jean-claudemuller3199 So it's image circle?
What do you think image circle is?
Basically the distance from the centre to corner in ff is 22mm . On gfxpan centre to corner is 23mm and centre to edge is 22mm ... so if a full frame lens has zero vignette it’ll be clear on gfxpan to the edge and you hope 1mm won’t falloff too much for the corner.
Hey Andrew. The GF 30mm F3.5 is out and I'd love to see your review. I purchased the GFX 50R and GF 50 3.5 after watching your review and I'd love your opinion of the 30mm, especially considering our mutual love of the X-Pan field of view.
You are killing it! Love your recent vlogs. No pressure. Keep it up. 🤔
Haha. Thanks Vincent
Thats awesome, I love this aspect ratio. I think you could try some 28mm old full frame lenses like canon FD, I think there is very good chance of covering whole GFX medium format sensor (especially cropped to x-pan ratio) which is much smaller than medium format film really was. I am just wandering that something similar would be easily achievable with something like Samyang 12mm f2 even on aps-c just if your camera supports that crop for jpeg. Mine doesnt :-(
Most wide-angle lenses unfortunately don't have massive image circles. Telephoto lenses often do though.
For a specifically FF lens that should cover the larger sensor, try Nikon's 24 or 28mm perspective control lenses.
Hi Andrew,
If you still look for a decent alternative for this expensive Xpan lens, I might have a good news for you. The latest Voigtlander Nokton 21mm f1.4 covers the GFX sensor if you crop to 16:9 or Xpan format. The focal length of 21mm is almost exactly the same as the 30mm on Xpan due to the different size sensor of the Gfx (the original xpan is much wider). So basically you are getting an ultra sharp 16mm f1.4 lens for the friction of the price. Leica M mount of course ;)
Coming back to this amazing review - I wonder how your monster would match with a tilt shift lens. The slr ones like Rokinon, Nikkor or Canon come with a wider image circle. Having a 17, 19 or 24 mm on medium format will offer a nice super- wide angle, on top of the incredible creative potential
FF TS lenses don't work fine on MF even with their big optical image circle because of the limitations of the little FF lens mount that bring vignetting on MF even with no shift.
@@jean-claudemuller3199 hi, that's why I suggested ts lenses. For the shifts they need a wider image circle. Which obviously limits their creative potential. If you don't adore some vignetting - as myself.
Andrew probably has access to borrowed ts lenses.
If. I had the budget for his big Fuji baby, I would not hesitate to get the Rokinon 24mm, which would as well work with either Canon or Nikon and be adaptable to all mirrorless systems
Unfortunately im not very knowledgeable on panoramic in general. I mean the most exposure I had was a point and shoot film camera that had a panoramic mode that I found purely by accident when I was like 11. Maybe that might be an idea for another video and sort of an enabler to you looking for that lens that you want. Hopefully I explained that with some clarity but im sure im not the only one who got left in the dark as far as panoramas are concerned and most people who talk tech camera settings dont even mention panoramas so just an idea. I dont know of any lenses that might work for what you are trying to do but surely there has to be some sort of adapter or speedbooster that would work out for what you want. If it were me id say what about either a medium format lens adapted for the fuji apsc cameras or maybe a 35mm panoramic lens speedboosted for use with fuji apsc. I dont know anything about tilt shift lenses either but maybe those could help somehow? Sorry im still just working in manual mode trying to get exposure right so my knowledge is limited in a lot of areas.
Andrew: I have been using an adapted Pentax-A 645 35mm f3.5 on my GFX 50s for about a year now (since Fujifilm hasn’t had a prime in that range.) I don’t think the lens itself is much bigger than the one in the video but the adapter certainly is (these lenses obviously sat further away from the film plane than the xpan.) It focuses pretty close (30cm) and my copy is nicely sharp wide open. Yes, it is a 28mm equivalent on the GFX vs 24mm... I find that to not be a big difference but you may feel different. After your first video about xpan alternatives I was inspired to shoot it on the gfx with the 65:24 crop and have had a lot of fun with it. I got mine for about $400 a few years ago plus the adapter which is around $100. The bonus is that once you have the adapter, many of the Pentax 645 (and 6x7 lenses) work really nicely on the GFX and are not too expensive. Sorry for the long post but hopefully it provides something useful.
That is great to hear Jeff. And I'm very happy that you found that previous video of mine a little inspiring. :) I will certainly look into this lens. I've heard many great things about Pentax-A lenses.
Pssst. Mamiya 35mm f/3.5 for their 645 cameras.
Fujifilm, please make an Analog/Film GFX 50R, you have the lenses and the film stock! :)
And bring back Provia 400!!!!
They did - its called the TX-1
You might be surprised by the level of computed lens corrections happening in camera if you used the lenses on film.
@@toulcaz31 good point
Sebastian Rosca Image circle of lenses for digital crop MF (33mmx44mm) don't match 120 film format !
@@jean-claudemuller3199 new GFX film stock.
...or GFF film* stock :D
Great video dude.
If u interested u can try to check out one weird soviet lens- Зодиак-8б also known as Zodiak-8 and Arsat-8. It’s a 30/3.5 medium format fisheye lens for soviet bayonet «Б» which is literally pentacon-six, so there are some adapters to gfx. The lens itself is completely terrible and at the same time VERY fun to use.
Idk about usa, but here in russia they can be taken for about 100-150$, not so much I think)
Cool lens. Just looked it up on Flickr. I hadn't heard of that one.
Great photos. Do you have a link for the camera strap ?
Hyperion
The xpan has been my favorite camera of all time !
I’ve been having fun with my 28mm voit ultron on Gfx in xpan mode
The older Nikon (Nikkor) shift lenses in 28mm and 35mm will cover 6x4,5 film, so they should easily handle medium format digital.
Yes, came to second this. The PC Nikkor 35mm f/2.8 can work on an Xpan (see here: www.35mmc.com/07/04/2018/hasselblad-xpan-fulfilling-vision/) and although the PC Nikkor 28mm f/2.8 cannot work on the Xpan due to serious vignetting, it may work on a 6x4.5 format.
@@brianfulda the 28mm shift will work well on the GFX though, since the sensor is only 44 mm instead of the 65 when mounted at the X pan. a cheap nikon to gfx adapter will do:)
Brian Fulda would a 35mm f2D work?
Great video! This subject has been in my thoughts a lot recently as I'm considering the GFX 50R. I had an XPan II with all three lenses - sold in mint condition back in 2007...what was I thinking??!! The XPros always reminded me of the feel of the XPan so I've loved shooting with Fuji X cameras for years now. You are so right about the process of composing with a 65 x 24 ratio viewfinder. Nothing beats the XPan for its viewfinder and compact size, but I'm truly excited about the quality of the GFX images....especially with the announcement of the GF 30mm lens (equivalent to the XPan 45mm in pano mode).
I'm just testing my 45mm and 90mm xpan lenses and the camera doesn't recognize them and fire. What do I have tgo do in the menu to get the camera to work here?
Enable the setting "shoot without lens" in the user settings.
Hello
I have the X-Pan II with the 3 lenses since his release and use it still today.
I have also a X1D with the X-Pan adapter.
the X-Pan 45mm and 90mm have poor results on the X1D digital sensor but are superb on the x-Pan.
The X-Pan 30mm that is exceptional on the X-Pan is OK in the center of the X1D, but only acceptable in the corners, the Hasselblad lenses for the X1D are way better today.
For me using the X-Pan lenses on the digital sensor is a quality no-go, they are lenses made for film where they are excellent.
That is great info. Thank you for your post
Another way of getting a small, but very high quality panoramic camera is to use a Leica Monochrome with a 24/25mm lens (Voigtländer 25/4) is fine, and then use the 50mm framelines (you can mentally extend them out to the edge of the frame. Easy!
While not a prime, my Sigma ART 24 - 35 f2 with Techart GFX adaptor is a great wide-angle lens for my 50R , allowing me to do my day to dayphotojournalism and documentary work. I avoid the wider apertures but from f4 it is very detailed and paints a really nice picture. It is nowhere near as sexy as the XPan lens but it would work well, especially at 26mm where it will be the equivalent of the 30mm on the 645 format (by my seat of the pants reckoning). I'm heading out now to experiment with 65:24 for the first time!
Thanks for the tip! Any vignetting at the corners with that lens or does it cover the sensor well?
@@AndrewGoodCamera Yes, there is corner vignetting but mostly at the 24 end (19mm FFequiv) and mostly at the wider apertures. I allow for it by cropping a little looser if that matters - such as landscape and architectural - but with most of my doco work, I just roll with it. I have just shot up my back yard with the 65:24 framing on the 24-35 and there is absolutely no vignetting with that crop, even out to 24mm.
For the same reason that I turn Acros on in-camera (in a 100% raw workflow), I like how the horizontal framing gets me seeing, thinking and feeling differently about what and how I am photographing, even though I can re-crop later. Thank you!
Just found Jonas Rask's photos on that one. Very compelling! (he makes everything look good) ;)
I know this is an old video, but how do you think the Fuji 30 f3.5 holds up for this use?
Hello. Very interesting video.
Like many others, I've always regretted selling my X-pan -- but the reasons for selling seemed logical at the time.
Re. lenses: have you thought of the Pentax A 35mm f3.5 SMC lens for the 645 system? It is reportedly a very sharp lens, with an angle of view of 27.65mm on GFX; quite close to your favourite 24mm equivalent. There are many copies in Japan & just a handful here in Europe, where they go for approx 570 Euros for a good copy.
Regards.
Thank you for the suggestion!
I've acquired the best XPAN Digital: Hasselblad X1DII with adapted Canon FD 17mm. This combo gives me a slightly wider FOV than the XPAN 30mm, the whole set-up is light and the Canon FD gives me the film rendering I love. I can also use my HC range of lenses paired with my XH 0.8 "speed booster" adapter and get faster f-tops than before and the rendering is fantastic. The HC 35mm paired with the XH 0.8 gives a slightly wider FOV than the XPAN 45mm if anyone is interested.
The Sigma Quattros and SD H are even better if you want the closest film look. Resolution is on par with the Fuji too.
You can use the Grid 24 option in other fuji cameras to give a central window of 3:1
I hope my XPan will last still for a very long time, but in case it will break somehow, it's goot to know there is an alternative out there so at least I can use the lenses.
When you set 24x65 in the menu, do you then see in that aspect ratio in the viewfinder/display, right?
Yes, correct.
@@AndrewGoodCamera That's interesting, I should check if I can borrow this Fuji somewehere, finding an adapter and test it, just to see in person how the results are.
Awesome
You know I'm here for that sweet sweet Galaxy's Edge content.
This was the comment I was waiting for. I knew you'd appreciate that :)
I’m finding it hard to get a clear optic to focus when using the 45 mm on the X one Day could I be doing something wrong?
God that would be great for my nautical photography
Can’t believe i saw you there haha
How did the Lego shots turn out?
Does the viewfinder on the GFX 50R actually show the 65:24 aspect ratio frame lines?
Yes
I am wondering did you need an adapter for this liens that you are using on the GX50R and since I have a Pentax 6 x 7 with lenses. Can the Pentax 6 x 7 Lance be used on the GFX50R with an adapter.
Yes, there are adapters you can use for Pentax 6 x 7 to Fuji G
Denae & Andrew thank you very much for the follow up because I have been considering getting the GFX even though I still shoot films. I have all three models of the Pentax 6 x 7 and they are excellent cameras and there is no chance I would ever get rid of the one.
The GFX already comes with the 65/24 crop in the camera menu?
Yes
Andrew, I won't be buying this setup probably ever but I've always been intrigued by the X-Pan and panoramic shooting. My question to you is can this be simulated in camera on any of the Fujifilm APS-C cameras like the X-E3, X-T3 or X-Pro 3? Can it be down with standard lens in a way that doesn't take away from resolution if cropping is necessary which I'm sure it will be. Simply curious.
No, that in-camera crop isn't available on the Fuji X cameras. And I think that's a shame. Not sure why Fuji doesn't just include that. If anything, the X-Pro 3 most closely resembles the actual design of the Hasselblad XPan.
@@AndrewGoodCameraas always thanks for the quick response. I guess cropping in Luminar 3 will have to do. LOL
What i do on my Apsc Fuji is turning on Framing Guideline to Grid 24 and use the lines in the middle. That's as close as it gets I guess.
Have you experimented with the Pentax 67 and using 35mm film?...... just wondering how that would work?
I haven't. Though I've seen other CZcams videos of those who have. Looks just a bit kludgy. I prefer using my Bronica ETRSi with the 35mm pano back.
I've found the equivalent for xpan on the 50R are 17mm 25mm and 50mm.
exact
Hint for a digital Xpan alternative...
...try the “Sigma DP0 quattro” - you can get this Cam for ~€700,- brand new and you can shoot it in 21:9 frame ratio ooc. I sold my Xpan instead and never regret...greez Midge
Yup. See my Xpan alternatives video. I owned the Sigma Quattro H for awhile and shot with it in pano mode a lot. It's great.
Ebay has Fuji' own lens for sale which is of course identical - unsure if its the sem mount though - anyone know? Also - what the fruit is that adaptor - we need to know - and we need to know now.Just a quick correction 'centre' filters allow for exposure loss rather than vignetting - although it could be argued that the results are identical - I know nitpicky - but great review nonetheless - and if you ever get your hands on a 6X17 then those filters are essential
The adaptor is the Fotodiox. Fuji made the X-Pan and the TX lenses - so yes they are the same mount - also you will find some 6X4.5 Fuji lenses that are HC compatible too - and there are several adaptors ou there for the Fuji GF's
Used GFX Rs and Panasonic S1Rs are very close in price. Can't decide what would be a better option :)
I have the S1H also. I don't want to sway you, but one of them is a lot more fun to shoot with than the other. ;)
I hear people say that Fuji made the XPAN lenses all the time and yet Hasselblad says Nittoh made them... and are now making their new XCD lenses as well
I don't know who made the XPan lenses. I assumed Fuji, but all I am sure of is that they were made in Japan.
@@AndrewGoodCamera Oh yeah, for sure they were. I was surprised when a Hasselblad rep told me that once at a show - I always assumed Fuji had made them too
The X-Pan was a Hasselblad idea, but Hasselblad had no experience in building a rangefinder, and Fuji had the experience. So Hasselblad went to Fuji for the the body construction, the deal included that Fuji could sell it under his brand in Japan and Hasselblad would sell it in the rest of the world.
On can imagine that Fuji went to Nittoh as a subcontractor for the optics ?
X-Pan lenses are of a special kind. They are designed as large format lenses are (near symetrical built), this design has little distorsion and a lot of vignetting that needs special compensating filters. These optics cope well with films, but digital sensors don't like much them unless you have a special sensor design. That's why X-Pan lenses have sharpness issues on boarders of digital cameras. When you buy a Hasselblad X-Pan adapter for the MF X1D, Hasselblad joins a disclaimer about edge sharpness tat you can find here :
www.hasselblad.com/x-system-accessories/xpan-lens-adapter/
How did you get the 65:24 aspect ratio?!?! My Fuji XPro 2 doesn’t have that option
It's only in the GFX line, sadly.
Denae & Andrew such a bummer
did you not the X100v as a loaner to test out ? If not, i'm surprised
Oh I'm not surprised at all. I gave a not very pleasant review earlier versions of the x100 series years ago ;)
Denae & Andrew but that's just you being honest. It's a pity they sent it out to so many people but not you guys. You both make such wonderful videos. Maybe someday ☺️👍
Hi, I'd like to know how the x1D and the 50R compare in terms of design in your opinion. I've only had in my hands the 50R but lookind at the x1D it seems to make much more sense: the body is much smaller and thiner while having a much larger grip. What do you think are the reasons for fuji to make their small MF camera such a "large brick", when it seems they could have gone much smaller, cause even stetically, I don't think the 50R looks that good (like the xpro does,for instance). Thanks and keep doing these kind of videos :)
Fuji has to house a focal plane shutter in their bodies, the X1D has no shutter in the body, that makes a huge difference in size. The X1D does not need place in the body for many switches of numerous manual dials, a big part of the body controls are made on the touch screen.
@@jean-claudemuller3199 true,that explain some of the size difference although not entirely imho
@@Caracalaba The X1D is absolutely nicer to hold. The GFX 50R could have benefited from a bit more contouring, both in terms of appeal and ergonomics. However, the need to rely on the touch screen for many functions on the X1D is (in my opinion) frustrating, especially when you consider that the touch screen is not very responsive. And having no way to change focus point other than by touch screen is a big problem. Finally, not being able to have a mechanical shutter while mounting vintage MF or even FF lenses is also a big strike against the X1D.
@@AndrewGoodCamera I see. I also agree that relying on a touch screen is not the best idea. I just think that fuji could have done a better job in terms of design and ergos, since to me it doesn't have the appeal of tve x1d nor the xpan. It has good functionality though
Will it blend?
so fuji makes the TX-1 body while hassel makes the lens? or does fuji have their own lens for the TX-1 camera?
certainly hope that the rumors of a digital xpan comes true, that would really hit the camera fans by storm haha
even though i too fell in love with the X-PAN crop , over all I recognize that i could use the same amount of money buying a GFX 50R + 50mm f3.5 being able to do a wider variety of photos compared to only doing xpan style shots on film.
I'm pretty sure the XPan lenses and bodies were made by Fuji. This copy of the 30mm I have, as well as the external viewfinder, say they are made in Japan.
@@AndrewGoodCamera feels shame (not serious) but i think people say X-PAN as the default to that aspect ratio/panorama camera when fuji had the TX-1 first.
nothing serious but i wonder if i could just call all those cameras X-PAN regardless of model type? i actually never knew 100% or not.
also is anamorphic aspect raito for video the same as this xpan ratio or maybe slightly not as wide?
TX-1 and X-Pan lenses were the same, manufacturer was Nittoh in Japan (same as today Hasselblad XD1 lenses). The bodies were made by Fuji in Japan, Fuji TX-1 gear was only for the japanese domestic market, for the rest of the world it was Hasselblad X-Pan you could find in shops.
Edit: in a very recent interview of a Hasselblad executive, he said that even the X-Pan and TX body was designed and manufactured by Nittoh Japan, as well as all 3 lenses.
He also said that For the design of the X1D lens XCD45 3.5 the intension was to mimic the littlr X-Pan 45 lens and so they started with the old X-Pan design that the same Nittoh engineer that design the X-Pan redesigned to become the XCD lens.
The Xpan is a beautiful camera, but a less expensive film option is the Mamiya 7 with a 135 adapter kit. You get exactly the same 24x65 image as the Xpan, with a top MF camera thrown in for free. The only option you lose is the standard 24x36 frame.
Where can I download fuji presets?
Was it not all Fuji manufacture rebadged as Hasselblah?