Yeah but Minardi boss at the time Paul Stodart weren't happy with it. He'd have preferred to get a point thru good work not almost by default. And I was 18 when this happened
I was 16 watching this late on Sunday night back in 2005 and we couldn’t believe what was happening when they all poured into the pits after the formation lap
Stodart was the person blaming MSC when MSC was happy to delay & got the chicane put in as MSC was the drivers safety rep ? Stodart had sold the team & was about to earn millions in points scoring ? How could Stodart say that when his team never ever won a point ?@@kevinprior3549
@@nigelmurphy6761 Hey thanks, I blanked from mind (2001) another abuse of the short (44 lap) cathedral of Spa Francorchamps. Watch 2002 and back for "bus stop chicane". Firestone/Bridgestone ran a 4 day test after the sharp diamond cut slots were carved in. Michelin was not informed other than resurfacing the banked 9 degrees, 12 minutes corner and 500 track. Jensen "you know I can't say anything about it" Politically Ferrari/Bridgestone had the knowledge advantage and future single tyre supply contract "in the works". Same Ferrari influence as 2003 Michelin (Montoya derailed) and Renault's mass damper (harmonic solution) joke. Now F1 has a Perrelli single tyre ($2,500 per) supply which is a performance castrating self imposed "decrease of mechanical grip" thus depending more on downforce. Please, Smaller cars and tyres, compressed Pu's, more mechanical grip, tyre WAR, No soulless temporary street tracks. The social media fans need to feel instantly satisfied, premature ejaculation@F1.FIA
@@kevinprior3549 He was managing director Jaguar in 2002 and then was technical operations director Red Bull in 2005 (basically helping them to establish their control of the team). Once Newey came in he was surplus to requirements but they offered him a role with their NASCAR outfit. It was through this he meet Gene Haas and the Haas F1 team were set up.
Its still incredible that this happened in Formula one. I remember watching it live on itv when I was 8 and as soon as Räikkönen pulled into the pits I just switched off and went outside for the rest of the evening.
8:17 I disagree, it wasn't those team's problem and it wasn't Bridgestone's problem. It was Michelin and the FIA who screwed up and it was their problem to solve, which they obviously couldn't (or rather wouldn't), so it served them right. Tire changes were banned that year to slow down Ferrari, off course they wouldn't reach out when the rule backfired; Michelin should've made better tires then! Ferrari had no obligation to come up with a solution for a problem that was created by a rule that was specifically implemented to handicap them. It was an easy win for Michael that day, but he wasn't to blame for the other teams to pull out, he came to race and he did!
@@maxwellweiss9849 Michelin had also had issues at this circuit one season earlier. 2 major tyre failures in the race (one again on the banking which is what caused Ralf Schumacher to sit out a considerable amount of time). They should have prepared better. Plus when the roles were reversed in Spain , Michelin declined to compromise when Bridgestone brought an unsafe tyre
Ralf Schumacher crashed in the same corner in the year prior. Michelin should've come prepared. Bridgestone had the privilege to possess the data of the Indianapolis because they own Firestone, the tire company that supplied the tires for Indycar.
Michael Masi had to be the worse Race Director in the History of FOM. Baku Red Flg Hesitant, Belgium GP condition handling, and not to mention the last GP in Abu Dhabi letting Lewis cut the corner and had no investigation necessary
I remember being confused watching this as a 9 YO, that I stopped watching it and went to my room toplay with my F1 Hot Wheels cars (remember from McDonalds?)
Just imagine yourself going to Indi in 2005 watching F1 for real in the first time but only to see 7:42. That must've been absolutely depressing, especially if you're coming abroad.
@@KevinAbillGaming I thought the engine package changed in 2006 to V8's all together. I guess because Minardi got rebranded to Toro Rosso after 2005, the team didn't have the ability to follow the new rules package because of the circumstances.
it was Michelin's fault. Ralf Schumacher also had the same crash in the same corner in the year prior, yet they didn't come prepared in 2005. me and my dad always stayed up so late to watch races in USA, Canada, and Brazil because we live in Asia. when he saw the cars coming into the pit after the formation lap, he got furious, but we kept watching it for 10 laps then we decided to watch a movie instead.
More like It's the FIA's fault for not caring about the safety of EVERYBODY involved. No matter what tire compounds Michelin brought in they were DEFECTIVE and prone to failure, and IF a car on Michelin tires raced and crashed out, they could've gotten somebody hurt or worse killed, and by somebody it could've been a driver, a track worker, or even way worse a spectator. In the United States, the cost of liability for using DEFECTIVE products is NO JOKE under the U.S. law EVERYBODY involved would've been sued for gross negligence jeopardizing the safety of again EVERYBODY involved by using defective products.
@@alandagmar576 This is why Michelin let their time expire at the end of 2006. Bridgestone held strong for F1 tires for four more seasons from 2007 until 2010. Pirelli which took over in 2011 is holding strong to this day in 2023, and will keep going until 2027 or '28 despite having a near miss with Qatar 2023 which almost mirrored this farce of Indianapolis 2005.
I'm usually up at 4:30am Fri-Sun PST back when it was more sporting. Now a fair amount of highlights suffice. Firestone/Bridgestone ran a 4 day test after the sharp diamond cut slots were carved in. Michelin was not informed other than resurfacing the banked 9 degrees, 12 minutes corner and 500 track. Jensen "you know I can't say anything about it" Politically Ferrari/Bridgestone had the knowledge advantage and future single tyre supply contract "in the works". Same Ferrari influence as 2003 Michelin (Montoya derailed) and Renault's mass damper (harmonic solution) joke. Now F1 has a Perrelli single tyre ($2,500 per) supply which is a performance castrating self imposed "decrease of mechanical grip" thus depending more on downforce. Please, Smaller cars and tyres, compressed Pu's, more mechanical grip, tyre WAR, No soulless temporary street tracks. The social media fans need to feel instantly satisfied, premature ejaculation@F1.FIA
When I 'watched' this on F1 TV I played a wet fart sound effect when the 5 lights went out, meaning a signal to go, for arguably the worst F1 race EVER.
0:58 James Allen was a great successor (not replacement) to Murray Walker. Had a differing perspective compared to Walker but still one that the audience could relate to.
I fell asleep during the start of this race live around 4am in Australia, then I woke up halfway through the race & said WTF? Why are there only 6 cars on the track. 😂
Maybe Toyota could've gotten their first Grand Prix win with Trulli, or B.A.R could've gotten a race win with Jenson Button before being bought out by Honda. And Michelin could've taken control of the full grid. But god who knows.
FIA changed the rules to stop Ferrari from inflicting another 2004-style domination. Did more harm than good, not just for Ferrari, but for all cars. Hadn't the FIA changed the rules, this 6-car race would never happened, even if it means the Ferrari's gonna score some wins (myself secretly hoping for a repeat of 2003, title battle to the end).
I was there. It was UTTER CHAOS and that crowd was ready to lynch them all. My home movies convey the RAGE in that crowd. 8:30 The announcer saying that the runners who STARTED are just as guilty is full of shit.
Jordan and Minardi wanted out, but Jordan wanted cheap points while Minardi didn't which is why Jordan and Minardi raced anyway. Ferrari is as guilty as the FIA refusing to give in on the bigger problem of being sued for gross negligence by forcing the use of defective products.
@@zanemarte9877 And the FIA brought the teams before a Motorsports Tribunal to punish them for their actions... it backfired when a team pointed out that based on US law, Gross Negligence wouldn't have just fell on the teams or Michelin, but on ALL parties, FOM, IMS... and the FIA. After it was pointed out the FIA would also been found liable, the FIA dropped the case.
I blame the FIA for all of this mess. They should have known better than to force all those teams with Michelin tires to race while ignoring the fact that it's a safety issue, and something needed to be done. F*** the FIA for not caring about the safety of everybody involved.
Why should the Bridgestone runners get any blame for not doing more?? Would the Michelin runners of done any different if it had been roles reversed??NO
@@pradyumnac yes that one is a good example last year was absolutely disgusting and wrong. People who refer this one to Hungary 2021 thats just no resemblance to this video
@@abinterslick I was merely expressing an opinion on the sorry state of modern F1, admittedly in a somewhat exaggerated and pointed manner. Does that answer your question?
I was 10 years old back in these days and I secretly loved this race because it meant points for Jordan and Minardi. 😅
Same, I was happy for Ferrari getting their first 1-2 of the season, which was their only one :(
Yeah but Minardi boss at the time Paul Stodart weren't happy with it. He'd have preferred to get a point thru good work not almost by default.
And I was 18 when this happened
I was devastated watching this as a kid… The commentary was very different on the US feed
I was 16 watching this late on Sunday night back in 2005 and we couldn’t believe what was happening when they all poured into the pits after the formation lap
Stodart was the person blaming MSC when MSC was happy to delay & got the chicane put in as MSC was the drivers safety rep ? Stodart had sold the team & was about to earn millions in points scoring ? How could Stodart say that when his team never ever won a point ?@@kevinprior3549
USA 2005 : I am worst GP ever.
Belgium 2021 : Hold my rain.
😂😂😂😂
Watching this after the 2021 Spa GP.
LOL me too.
Same. LOL
Dont know which is worse
Spa '21 was the worst but this was the most farcical for sure
@@nigelmurphy6761 Hey thanks, I blanked from mind (2001) another abuse of the short (44 lap) cathedral of Spa Francorchamps. Watch 2002 and back for "bus stop chicane".
Firestone/Bridgestone ran a 4 day test after the sharp diamond cut slots were carved in. Michelin was not informed other than resurfacing the banked 9 degrees, 12 minutes corner and 500 track. Jensen "you know I can't say anything about it" Politically Ferrari/Bridgestone had the knowledge advantage and future single tyre supply contract "in the works". Same Ferrari influence as 2003 Michelin (Montoya derailed) and Renault's mass damper (harmonic solution) joke. Now F1 has a Perrelli single tyre ($2,500 per) supply which is a performance castrating self imposed "decrease of mechanical grip" thus depending more on downforce. Please, Smaller cars and tyres, compressed Pu's, more mechanical grip,
tyre WAR, No soulless temporary street tracks. The social media fans need to feel instantly satisfied, premature ejaculation@F1.FIA
1:10 A wild Gunther Steiner appears!
He must've fok-smashed a few doors that day!
Michelin just fok smashed my door, that's not acceptable!
Gunther has been in the paddock longer than people think. I think he was team member or boss of some description at Benetton in the 90s.
The banking is really fok smashing the tires.
@@kevinprior3549 He was managing director Jaguar in 2002 and then was technical operations director Red Bull in 2005 (basically helping them to establish their control of the team). Once Newey came in he was surplus to requirements but they offered him a role with their NASCAR outfit. It was through this he meet Gene Haas and the Haas F1 team were set up.
Its still incredible that this happened in Formula one. I remember watching it live on itv when I was 8 and as soon as Räikkönen pulled into the pits I just switched off and went outside for the rest of the evening.
8:17 I disagree, it wasn't those team's problem and it wasn't Bridgestone's problem.
It was Michelin and the FIA who screwed up and it was their problem to solve, which they obviously couldn't (or rather wouldn't), so it served them right.
Tire changes were banned that year to slow down Ferrari, off course they wouldn't reach out when the rule backfired; Michelin should've made better tires then!
Ferrari had no obligation to come up with a solution for a problem that was created by a rule that was specifically implemented to handicap them.
It was an easy win for Michael that day, but he wasn't to blame for the other teams to pull out, he came to race and he did!
Michelin was screwed because they had no insight on the diamond grinding. It was the FIAs fault for not compromising and just not finding a solution
@@maxwellweiss9849 Michelin had also had issues at this circuit one season earlier. 2 major tyre failures in the race (one again on the banking which is what caused Ralf Schumacher to sit out a considerable amount of time). They should have prepared better. Plus when the roles were reversed in Spain , Michelin declined to compromise when Bridgestone brought an unsafe tyre
sould have put hcicane
Totally agree the rule change was to stop Ferrari. It was so obvious as there was no legitimate safety reason, like refueling.
Ralf Schumacher crashed in the same corner in the year prior. Michelin should've come prepared.
Bridgestone had the privilege to possess the data of the Indianapolis because they own Firestone, the tire company that supplied the tires for Indycar.
The wisdom and eloquence of James Allen on commentary
Had Murray Walker were still commentating at that time. I'd imagine he'll be "AB-SO-LUTELY FURIOUS."
2nd greatest race in F1 history behind the 2021 Spa Grand Prix
Spa 2021: Hold my International Sporting Code.
Michael Masi had to be the worse Race Director in the History of FOM. Baku Red Flg Hesitant, Belgium GP condition handling, and not to mention the last GP in Abu Dhabi letting Lewis cut the corner and had no investigation necessary
I was there. To this day I still cuss every time a Michelin commercial comes on TV.
1:10 Gunther Steiner telling Bernie Ecclestone about his fok smash door
😂😂😂
Still better than 2021 spa
This was the best day for Tiago.
George Russell had similar vibes too when he got his first podium in Spa 2021, and the first for Williams since Lance Stroll in Baku 2017.
Literally the meme with the dude over-celebrating third place. I wonder if he was the inspiration.
2021 Hungarian GP re-start.
the difference is, that one was funny and not born out of squabbling. This one was born because everyone acted like children
@@joeogle7729 True, fair point.
Yep on it!
At least it was still a proper race
Nope 👎 that’s totally illogical that’s a different era not hybrid get your history and facts right. This has nothing to do with this track at all.
I remember being confused watching this as a 9 YO, that I stopped watching it and went to my room toplay with my F1 Hot Wheels cars (remember from McDonalds?)
Now I know why Michelin quit F1 in 2007...
Could you imagine paying all that money to watch 6 cars go off the line
I did.
Just imagine yourself going to Indi in 2005 watching F1 for real in the first time but only to see 7:42. That must've been absolutely depressing, especially if you're coming abroad.
2005 cars had better sound than F1 today
The old V8 engines
@@McRambro 2005 was the last year of the V10 engines actually.
@@zanemarte9877 thanks for that correction
@@zanemarte9877 *2006, cuz Toro Rosso used a rev-limited V10 engine due to lacking funds.
@@KevinAbillGaming I thought the engine package changed in 2006 to V8's all together. I guess because Minardi got rebranded to Toro Rosso after 2005, the team didn't have the ability to follow the new rules package because of the circumstances.
I loved this! It's funny!
it was Michelin's fault. Ralf Schumacher also had the same crash in the same corner in the year prior, yet they didn't come prepared in 2005.
me and my dad always stayed up so late to watch races in USA, Canada, and Brazil because we live in Asia. when he saw the cars coming into the pit after the formation lap, he got furious, but we kept watching it for 10 laps then we decided to watch a movie instead.
More like It's the FIA's fault for not caring about the safety of EVERYBODY involved. No matter what tire compounds Michelin brought in they were DEFECTIVE and prone to failure, and IF a car on Michelin tires raced and crashed out, they could've gotten somebody hurt or worse killed, and by somebody it could've been a driver, a track worker, or even way worse a spectator. In the United States, the cost of liability for using DEFECTIVE products is NO JOKE under the U.S. law EVERYBODY involved would've been sued for gross negligence jeopardizing the safety of again EVERYBODY involved by using defective products.
There should be only on tyre supplier to all the teams which stops all that BS ?
@@alandagmar576 This is why Michelin let their time expire at the end of 2006. Bridgestone held strong for F1 tires for four more seasons from 2007 until 2010. Pirelli which took over in 2011 is holding strong to this day in 2023, and will keep going until 2027 or '28 despite having a near miss with Qatar 2023 which almost mirrored this farce of Indianapolis 2005.
I'm usually up at 4:30am Fri-Sun PST back when it was more sporting. Now a fair amount of highlights suffice. Firestone/Bridgestone ran a 4 day test after the sharp diamond cut slots were carved in.
Michelin was not informed other than resurfacing the banked 9 degrees, 12 minutes corner and 500 track. Jensen "you know I can't say anything about it" Politically Ferrari/Bridgestone had the knowledge advantage and future single tyre supply contract "in the works". Same Ferrari influence as 2003 Michelin (Montoya derailed) and Renault's mass damper (harmonic solution) joke.
Now F1 has a Perrelli single tyre ($2,500 per) supply which is a performance castrating self imposed "decrease of mechanical grip" thus depending more on downforce.
Please, Smaller cars and tyres, compressed Pu's, more mechanical grip, tyre WAR, No soulless temporary street tracks. The social media fans need to feel instantly satisfied, premature ejaculation@F1.FIA
What are those White and Black alternating rectangles at the top right?
It's called a cue dot - it's used in the UK before and after an advert break for live television usually. Source: en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cue_mark
Warning of a really annoying ad break that took forever to finish. Whoever on this occasion we wouldn't have missed much.
@@thomashall4886 Thanks.
Some bullshit that the UK did, STILL does today, to warn of an ad break
It means Gary Glitter is wearing a Sunderland shirt
Still more exciting that any 2023 race with a full grid...
*laughs in 2023 Singapore GP*
When I 'watched' this on F1 TV I played a wet fart sound effect when the 5 lights went out, meaning a signal to go, for arguably the worst F1 race EVER.
1:11 is that Gunthër Steiner?😂
He used to work for red bull
0:58 James Allen was a great successor (not replacement) to Murray Walker. Had a differing perspective compared to Walker but still one that the audience could relate to.
Yeah I miss him😢
I despised Croft so much, Allen should have been there all these years.
@@masters.1000He became to biased when hamilton arrived
@@jeevangill2041 ¿Allen? In the end I don't mind it despite my despise for Hamilton. His talent outweights it.
I fell asleep during the start of this race live around 4am in Australia, then I woke up halfway through the race & said WTF? Why are there only 6 cars on the track. 😂
Had race went on like normal I think Kimi would've won
or alonso, no, definitely alonso
If the tires would've held it
Maybe Toyota could've gotten their first Grand Prix win with Trulli, or B.A.R could've gotten a race win with Jenson Button before being bought out by Honda. And Michelin could've taken control of the full grid. But god who knows.
The FIA was so dogshit.. they had to amend that stupid rule of “‘no tyre change during race “ for this GP
FIA changed the rules to stop Ferrari from inflicting another 2004-style domination. Did more harm than good, not just for Ferrari, but for all cars. Hadn't the FIA changed the rules, this 6-car race would never happened, even if it means the Ferrari's gonna score some wins (myself secretly hoping for a repeat of 2003, title battle to the end).
I can't believe Bernie Ecclestone was 75 back in 2005 and is still alive. Most ppl drop at that age
Lo veo después de checo gano gp Mónaco 2022
I was there. It was UTTER CHAOS and that crowd was ready to lynch them all. My home movies convey the RAGE in that crowd. 8:30 The announcer saying that the runners who STARTED are just as guilty is full of shit.
Jordan and Minardi wanted out, but Jordan wanted cheap points while Minardi didn't which is why Jordan and Minardi raced anyway. Ferrari is as guilty as the FIA refusing to give in on the bigger problem of being sued for gross negligence by forcing the use of defective products.
@@zanemarte9877 And the FIA brought the teams before a Motorsports Tribunal to punish them for their actions... it backfired when a team pointed out that based on US law, Gross Negligence wouldn't have just fell on the teams or Michelin, but on ALL parties, FOM, IMS... and the FIA.
After it was pointed out the FIA would also been found liable, the FIA dropped the case.
No, Martin Brundle is correct. Ferrari going "the answer's no, what's the question" didn't help one bit.
You are watching the worst world's fathers day ever in 21st century currently.
And that's why Indianapolis impossible to return to Formula 1 calendar forever
7:44 I don't think the Indians will be happy as well
I blame the FIA for all of this mess. They should have known better than to force all those teams with Michelin tires to race while ignoring the fact that it's a safety issue, and something needed to be done. F*** the FIA for not caring about the safety of everybody involved.
Heres an idea. Never use Michleen tyres. Okay
Michelin learned and they are holding on strong to this day in 2024 as a tire maker for the Endurance World Championship.
Why should the Bridgestone runners get any blame for not doing more?? Would the Michelin runners of done any different if it had been roles reversed??NO
I see no resemblance to Hungary restart 2021 that is a garbage reference to this video
But Spa was similar, people were robbed of their money
@@pradyumnac yes that one is a good example last year was absolutely disgusting and wrong.
People who refer this one to Hungary 2021 thats just no resemblance to this video
Still a thousand times better than a full grid in 2022.
@@abinterslick I was merely expressing an opinion on the sorry state of modern F1, admittedly in a somewhat exaggerated and pointed manner. Does that answer your question?
@@abinterslick Cheers.
@@abinterslick its dead mate, f1´s shite now!
I had forgotten how shit James Allen was as a commentator.
How, he is great in this clip? Calm, considered, informed, professional.
@@thomasconway95 he's a knob and you're clearly on glue you big fool.
@@simracer1256 no, come on, can you explain why you think he's a bad commentator? Honestly
Yeah. Please explain more on your point.
Better than crofty