+hashrulsubzero Just like when James Hunt used to commentate - he really knew what he talked about and could analyze what the drivers did in particular situations. Crofty today can't commentate on a similar level as Brundle or Hunt, what he can do is ask alot of questions and shout.
@@eIucidate No its all about the other Journos knowing how well Brundle is respected and will squeeze a proper answer out of Bernie any other time they would be climbing all over each other, Brundle is the man when it comes to this.
Martin "The future of F1 in America, the future of Michelin in F1?" Bernie "Not good" Martin "On both counts?" Bernie "Both counts..." This is when Indy and Michelin were shown the exit.
Other way around. She’s a Princess of Lichtenstein so she tax exempt. So Bernie put everything in her name. Which proved tricky when they got divorced.
Holy shit this gridwalk is an absolute classic for Formula One and it's history. The sass from both Martin and Bernie and facts they spit about the situation at the time are palpable.
+Stuart Laing Ferrari used bridge stones from 1999 onwards, I believe, after they saw mclarens performance in 1998 when they ran bridgestones. Ferrari was essentially the works of team of Bridgestone for tyres. They paid very little attention to Jordan and Minardi.
The track surface was changed in between this GP and the previous year's, Michelin didn't know about it, while Bridgestone did because Firestone races on it regularly.
Not quite. Something as important as a track surface change would have been communicated out. The difference is Bridgestone had more direct knowledge of how much of a tyre cutter it was.
Ive watched this clip like 30 odd times now and just noticed how dang many mics / recorders were in the middle of Martin and Bernie. Shows the respect the world of F1 has for both men.
It wasn't 'just Ferrari'. The rules actually state that a track cannot be modified in layout during the weekend. If you look at the modified tracks after Senna's crash in 1994, they raced with the altered layout for the entire weekend. Having this race as a non-championship race would also have been insulting to US fans, the teams, there would be contractual problems with Bernie, etc. The lesser of two evils, but sadly, still evil.
I’m one of many of Brundle’s fans. He deserved to win at least won race never mind the podiums he scored. Martin’s best years in F1 racing to me were 1992 (Benetton) and 1994 (McLaren)
I was there. Actually, I went to every Indy USGP. I always have a radio scanner, so I knew what was going on well before most of my fellow race fans. I've never seen so many pissed off people in my life! Me, I didn't hold a grudge over it, and happily came back for next year's race. Indy gave out free tickets for the 2006 USGP for those who attended this debacle. I forget if I actually used those tickets or gave them away. I always like to sit near turn 1 for the race, so I probably didn't use whatever Indy gave me. I didn't have a season pass for my seats so I always had different seats, so that's why I was most likely given free seats to somewhere I didn't want to be.
For all the blind Ecclestone haters, please... He did not cause this. He does not control the FIA and cannot be faulted for Michelin's problems. A chicane was proposed but was rejected by Ferrari, leaving the matter out of Ecclestone's hands. Furthermore, FIA President Max Mosley said he'd cancel the event if they tried to alter the circuit or change anything about the event. Hate Ecclestone as much as you want, but this was actually not his fault. Mosley was the one in control.
Hahaha Martin clearly wasn’t afraid to take the big boss out of his confort zone… he grilled him with some uncomfortable questions… kudos to Bernie for taking the beating like a grown ass man.
@@tigerdad777 and yet he told every one of them they would lose money if they signed the deals and they did anyways... He let them know up front he would have them..... Their own fault for thinking they could have him per say
It wasn't Bernie's fault, it was Max Moseley's fault for refusing every suggestion being put forward. Bernie was actively trying to help the Michelin teams.
great point ... this was a pitiful weekend on what was otherwise an epic season! 2005 was one of my favorites with Kimi and Alonso fighting up until the end =D
My understanding is that all teams except one (Ferrari, surprise surprise) all agreed to a chicane being added, but since all teams could not agree, the FIA had no other choice but to say no. Sadly, it was the fans those days who ultimately got screwed, but Circuit of the Americas does look really good
I remember watching this when I was 8. I was so confused and kept asking my brother why there was only like 6 cars lol. Now I understand they did the right thing. It was unfortunate what happened, but safety first! x
I never really understand the public's reaction to events like this, yes everyone who pays alot to see a race wants to see racing. But this is such a memorable, where were you type moment in F1 history I bet if you asked most people to recall what happened in other races in 2005, they couldn't.
well you said it yourself, you don't understand the public's reaction. maybe use your damn brain and develop some empathy, then you may begin to understand
Mosley rejected all, and he talked with the major representant of FIA in the US, he said if race has the chicane or they do a race outside the calendar, all activities on US from the FIA are going to be cancelled, blame FIA.
@@mattjc1021 plus car set up would have required a whole new weekend to dual in to what is a different circuit in effect especially the infield. Besides there is no indication the old turn 1/ new turn 13 might have had same issue or just transfer the issue to the right tyre (the one having to bear most the load through the banking)
This probably led to the end Michelin's contract, which in turn led to Bridgestone being the sole tyre supplier for a few years. They pulled out because of the economic climate, and Pirelli won the right to supply F1 tyres.
@SerialKIillerrr well yeah but the michelin teams appealed on the friday to have the correct tyres sent out and then that was turned down despite the fact they offered to race for no points.
Despite the fact that both manufacturers had to bring enough tyres to supply twice the field [as per the rules], I'm guessing it would have been a sponsorship and bureaucratic nightmare for the Michelin teams.
Agreed (part of your text), nobody had picked up the responsibility of what happened. But there's more, because FIA accused the teams of breaking the rules (see wiki), then blame them for only part of the them, and then cleared the teams. For me, main resposible for this is Micheline, part FIA. No team fault, as Bernie said, it was the FIA who blocked the every idea. Can;t blame the team for not racing because changing tyres after 10-13 laps is just bizarre and there would be no competition.
@wahaya2 I see your point, but Ferrari should have looked at the bigger picture and in reality they did themselves and their image more harm than good by not coming to some sort of understanding with the other teams.
@dougpryce92 search for the Wikipedia article, it explains it really well. In a nutshell, the Michelin tyres had a problem that, along with a new, rougher surface at Indy and the loads put on the tyres through the banking, made them very likely to fail. As the rules forbade tyre changes Michelin wanted a temporary chicane installed to slow the cars down into Turn 13. Negotiations fell through, Michelin couldn't guarantee the drivers' safety, so Michelin-fitted teams withdrew from the race.
Max Mosely was not at the track but was communicating with teams about the situation. He declined the idea of putting a chicane at the final turn as it would have disadvantaged the Bridgestone runners, and because a change in track layout would have deemed it a non-championship event.
The guy standing with Button was thinking he would be interviewed and is then just standing there with a sad look on his face when Brundle starts talking to Button.
I love this guy. He asked the right questions and spoke with confusion, frustration and still stayed professional. Wow
+tartass342 a former F1 driver knows what he is talking about :)
+hashrulsubzero Just like when James Hunt used to commentate - he really knew what he talked about and could analyze what the drivers did in particular situations. Crofty today can't commentate on a similar level as Brundle or Hunt, what he can do is ask alot of questions and shout.
+Rottensteam Crofty's so much better than Ben Edwards though - Valencia 2012 anyone?
+Rottensteam I remember when he said bullshit on live TV..hahahaha
+zach cat racing Best F1 commentators ever:
1. Murray Walker
2. James Hunt
3. Martin Brundle
....nuff said.
You know you're a respected interviewer when you're surrounded by a dozen other journalists all prepared to let you ask the questions.
On the gridwalk, no journalist interrupts another journalist in the middle of a questioning. Doesn't matter if it's Brundle or anyone else.
@@eIucidate although to be fair Brundle has done that to other journalists quite few times himself 😂
@@salandit7461 the journalists who are broadcasting live are given priority over other journalists. That's what happens most of the time.
It's also because Bernie didn't often give live interviews, but he always stopped and spoke to British TV and Martin
@@eIucidate No its all about the other Journos knowing how well Brundle is respected and will squeeze a proper answer out of Bernie any other time they would be climbing all over each other, Brundle is the man when it comes to this.
"I think maybe you should have something to say and give em' a jolly good slapping!" absolute classic XD
Riswan Ahmad P. LMAO
I guarantee if he said that today, he'd be out on his arse in five minutes flat.
Did everyone knew Bernie's wife actually hit him by that time ? Lol
What's the name of that woman?
Lol
I love Martin Brundle. He is just so witty and clever, I could listen to him talk for hours.
I might be stupid not to understand , but i really do wish this is sarcasm.
No sarcasm at all. In fact, I rather miss the Brundle/Walker commentating duo of the late 90's.
Used to be, now he's fudging it in
Best f1 commentator imo
Martin "The future of F1 in America, the future of Michelin in F1?"
Bernie "Not good"
Martin "On both counts?"
Bernie "Both counts..."
This is when Indy and Michelin were shown the exit.
JH Ahem, Michelin were shown the door in 2006, Indy went bye bye in 2007.
Thank god for Austin...a proper f1 track
Indy had a contract until 2007 so honoured it - Austin is a better track than the mangled mess that Indy was
THELEICESTERFOX I’d like to see a street circuit in America. Or maybe road America or back to the glen
Kevin Prior not as good as road America would be
Martin grilling the hell out of Bernie while wearing a t-shirt, legend.
Would you rather he was topless?
And little Bernie slithering away from any responsibility, as usual.
Slavica Ecclestone stood next to her human ATM machine.
lol
"ATM machine" is like saying "HIV virus"
Other way around. She’s a Princess of
Lichtenstein so she tax exempt. So Bernie put everything in her name. Which proved tricky when they got divorced.
Bernie (promoter of f1): "I'm not the promoter!" LMAO DEAD
Yeah BS
To be fair in this race that was largely Tony George.
Bernie on the witness stand would be epic!
5:15 Martin's look to camera says it all.
Well it's more he understood at that point something was going down and Jenson was just following the script.
He probably knew there and then what was about to happen.
Brundle was fantastic interviewing Bernie in this video.
He asked the right questions as normal and really did push Bernie.
Brundle is fantastic full-stop.
Martin caught Bernie perfectly
Holy shit this gridwalk is an absolute classic for Formula One and it's history. The sass from both Martin and Bernie and facts they spit about the situation at the time are palpable.
Putin in the background 0:05
Great spot!
What he doing here
Omg! You're right!
LMAO! He is just standing there and doesn't know where he should be😂 "Are these vehicles the VIP-seats?"
And he thought that someone will interview him😂
wow brundle is really pissed, good man
Mrs Eccelstone looked lost without her human ATM
Brundle: 'Say something, Miss Ecclestone!!!'
Her: 'No I won't, but where's my walking money bag?'
@@derLenno Sugar Daddy!
Hats off to Fisichella for his few words on the situation.
'give them a jolly good slapping!' lol, brilliant!
Just imagine the Ferrari's were on Michelin and the Minardi's and Jordan's were the only two teams in the race.
Monteiro a race winner!!!!!!!! YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Why were the Ferrari's not on Michelin anyway.
no idea
+Stuart Laing Ferrari used bridge stones from 1999 onwards, I believe, after they saw mclarens performance in 1998 when they ran bridgestones. Ferrari was essentially the works of team of Bridgestone for tyres. They paid very little attention to Jordan and Minardi.
We'd have had some competition.
The track surface was changed in between this GP and the previous year's, Michelin didn't know about it, while Bridgestone did because Firestone races on it regularly.
Not quite. Something as important as a track surface change would have been communicated out. The difference is Bridgestone had more direct knowledge of how much of a tyre cutter it was.
Ive watched this clip like 30 odd times now and just noticed how dang many mics / recorders were in the middle of Martin and Bernie. Shows the respect the world of F1 has for both men.
Brundle takes no nonsense from anyone. So much passion for F1, love him.
4:20-Pure savage
One of his best grid walks. Asking all the right questions.
It wasn't 'just Ferrari'. The rules actually state that a track cannot be modified in layout during the weekend. If you look at the modified tracks after Senna's crash in 1994, they raced with the altered layout for the entire weekend. Having this race as a non-championship race would also have been insulting to US fans, the teams, there would be contractual problems with Bernie, etc. The lesser of two evils, but sadly, still evil.
I’m one of many of Brundle’s fans. He deserved to win at least won race never mind the podiums he scored. Martin’s best years in F1 racing to me were 1992 (Benetton) and 1994 (McLaren)
Brundle's finest moment.
Indeed.
when ferrari was drinking red bulls, 6:48
Talvankan Sarcasam😄
When Ferrari were playing dirty as usual
Vettel did just the other day pre race :)
Kevin Prior Michelin fucked it up but you still blame Ferrari, pathetic
Still Red Bull had already joined the series in the exact year.
Wow, this was only 10 years ago. And Bernie actually made a lot of eye contact and was speaking longer than 1 or 2 word sentences.
Only because Brundle forced him into it.
True. The questions are actually good ones.
Crazy this was the first F1 race I ever watched and I was utterly confused.
I was there. Actually, I went to every Indy USGP. I always have a radio scanner, so I knew what was going on well before most of my fellow race fans. I've never seen so many pissed off people in my life! Me, I didn't hold a grudge over it, and happily came back for next year's race. Indy gave out free tickets for the 2006 USGP for those who attended this debacle. I forget if I actually used those tickets or gave them away. I always like to sit near turn 1 for the race, so I probably didn't use whatever Indy gave me. I didn't have a season pass for my seats so I always had different seats, so that's why I was most likely given free seats to somewhere I didn't want to be.
How do you like the COTA in comparison to Indy?
There's a lot of "i"s & "me"s in there .
Self obsessed much ?
We don't care
@@sdsmt99Apparently you do.
@@peterherrington330014 i’s 😂
For all the blind Ecclestone haters, please... He did not cause this. He does not control the FIA and cannot be faulted for Michelin's problems. A chicane was proposed but was rejected by Ferrari, leaving the matter out of Ecclestone's hands. Furthermore, FIA President Max Mosley said he'd cancel the event if they tried to alter the circuit or change anything about the event. Hate Ecclestone as much as you want, but this was actually not his fault. Mosley was the one in control.
Why didn’t he just pay someone off
Bet you anything if Ferrari were on Michelins the race would have gone ahead with the chicane.
I agree....Ferrari is throw-out the history of F1 the team with moust favors by the FIA
***** The way I remember it, it stood for Ferrari International Aid. But yeah, that works too.
Nobody would have scored points.
therefore, it's unlikely
Bet you if Ferrari were the only team on Michelins that chicane would've gone down. Thank you very much Jean fucking Todt.
The interview with Bernie was...awkward. To say the least.
they always are
Bernie for you... and yes, I’m replying to a comment that is three years old
Wow! I had no idea that Bernie Ecclestone was such a MASTER of double talk! Bravo, Bernie bravo!
"The wee man" lmaoo
I can't believe it was 9 years ago, how time flies!
Now 10 years!
+Strider are you gonna do this every year^
MrShapoopee24 You'll have to come back in 2016 to find out... :)
Waiting...
MrShapoopee24 6 months to go ;)
Love it when Martin talking about tires and loads go past him on trolleys
Hahaha Martin clearly wasn’t afraid to take the big boss out of his confort zone… he grilled him with some uncomfortable questions… kudos to Bernie for taking the beating like a grown ass man.
I love how Paul yelled and screamed as much as he could to help.
Bernie Ecclestone was disgustingly rude - terrible message to send out to Formula One fans
Bernie was always like that.
Bernie - takes millions from promoters and stabs you in the back. Glad he is gone.
@@tigerdad777 and yet he told every one of them they would lose money if they signed the deals and they did anyways... He let them know up front he would have them..... Their own fault for thinking they could have him per say
Was talking a load of rubbish too...
"I'm not the promoter"
What can you say about that statement
Has to be one of the most bizarre days in F1
It wasn't Bernie's fault, it was Max Moseley's fault for refusing every suggestion being put forward. Bernie was actively trying to help the Michelin teams.
Indeed. First common sense comment, it was Mosley and his stubbornness again.
Fisichella is putting on a brave face in amongst the frustration and confusion
Ecclestone's look at 01:29 ... "Oh shit, it's Brundle ...".
finally, i found a video which explains why only 6 cars started.
thanks for uploading
great point ... this was a pitiful weekend on what was otherwise an epic season! 2005 was one of my favorites with Kimi and Alonso fighting up until the end =D
The moment that lead to Ecclestone only ever going with Pirelli
More the one tyre manufacturer than anything. Canada 2010 prompted the cheese Pirellis.
Bridgestone carried on till 2011
a jolly good slappin lol
My understanding is that all teams except one (Ferrari, surprise surprise) all agreed to a chicane being added, but since all teams could not agree, the FIA had no other choice but to say no. Sadly, it was the fans those days who ultimately got screwed, but Circuit of the Americas does look really good
You can actually see Martin getting angrier and angrier at people not giving him any answers!
Bernie had no idea what was going on. Business as usual...
I remember watching this when I was 8. I was so confused and kept asking my brother why there was only like 6 cars lol. Now I understand they did the right thing. It was unfortunate what happened, but safety first! x
Boro Jen xX yeh while u were watching that gp I was t even born 😂😂😂😂😂
Was President Putin standing next to Brundle at the start of his grid walk?
is that putin in white-red striped shirt? :v
WTF😂😂
Brundle always got his man
Watching this 2 decades later, it's quite sad to see that things were basically "business as usual" and nobody wanted to offer a compromise.
Fisichella is quite funny in this the way he waved his arms
Pure Italiano!
@@FabryMercury I prefer Fisi to Trulli. Trulli is a bit of a shit stirer. And I don't think he was that good... even if he did win in Monaco
@@FabryMercury why do Italians often show their expressions with their hands
@@kevinprior3549 we speak with our hands, it’s difficult to explain. Not “often” but “always “.
Fisichella looks like Cyclops
the good old times with bernie
I never really understand the public's reaction to events like this, yes everyone who pays alot to see a race wants to see racing. But this is such a memorable, where were you type moment in F1 history I bet if you asked most people to recall what happened in other races in 2005, they couldn't.
It's so bad that it's unforgettable
well you said it yourself, you don't understand the public's reaction. maybe use your damn brain and develop some empathy, then you may begin to understand
If Ferrari hadn't rejected the proposed chicane on the banking then it would have been a great grand prix.
Mosley rejected all, and he talked with the major representant of FIA in the US, he said if race has the chicane or they do a race outside the calendar, all activities on US from the FIA are going to be cancelled, blame FIA.
Would have loved to see Bernie's face as most of the field entered the pit lane.
Yes he makes Emperor Palpatine look like a saint at times.
At 5:15 Brundle makes a very scary pissed off face.
Button's face said it all. Even the no comment thing was blunt enuf as he often is
indeed . F1 fans will never forget this
What a ironic number for the banking (13). I wonder if it would had made a difference if they ran the other way round (clockwise)
I wonder if that was proposed.
Wouldn’t have made any difference and track is only homologated in one direction
They bypassed it a few years later and ran it in reverse for MotoGP.
@@mattjc1021 plus car set up would have required a whole new weekend to dual in to what is a different circuit in effect especially the infield. Besides there is no indication the old turn 1/ new turn 13 might have had same issue or just transfer the issue to the right tyre (the one having to bear most the load through the banking)
I remember watching the formation lap and then I just went out because I was disgusted with it
Yeah, I was there, it sucked then and it still sucks today!
Martin showing us that hes been working out!
Look, there were a lot of reasons why this occurred. But the bottom line is Max Mosely impeded a solution when he wouldn't agree to alter the circuit.
The amount of cars that were corrected off that had Michelin tyres was ominous to say the least.
Slavica is just thinking, "how much money will I spend this week"
High drama. Brilliant.
0:32s.. Putin wanders off, after being ignored by Brundle :D
Brundle was really making bernie sweat with those questions, Obviously brundle know what to ask because hes a fromer driver which makes it better
the track walk was more interesting than the race
This probably led to the end Michelin's contract, which in turn led to Bridgestone being the sole tyre supplier for a few years. They pulled out because of the economic climate, and Pirelli won the right to supply F1 tyres.
I blame Good year 😉
@SerialKIillerrr well yeah but the michelin teams appealed on the friday to have the correct tyres sent out and then that was turned down despite the fact they offered to race for no points.
incredible
Despite the fact that both manufacturers had to bring enough tyres to supply twice the field [as per the rules], I'm guessing it would have been a sponsorship and bureaucratic nightmare for the Michelin teams.
So Martin said it was one corner that was the cause for the withdraw of the teams?
This race is better than most in the last decade
i was not watching f1 at this point in time. what was the big tyre issue here?
Martin is good. But I miss Peter Windosor's Gridwalk. The best!
0:05 Is that Vladimir Putin in the far left with the pink shirt?
Agreed (part of your text), nobody had picked up the responsibility of what happened. But there's more, because FIA accused the teams of breaking the rules (see wiki), then blame them for only part of the them, and then cleared the teams. For me, main resposible for this is Micheline, part FIA. No team fault, as Bernie said, it was the FIA who blocked the every idea. Can;t blame the team for not racing because changing tyres after 10-13 laps is just bizarre and there would be no competition.
2005 had weird tire rules anyways.
Mrs. Ecclestone 😂😂😂
@wahaya2 I see your point, but Ferrari should have looked at the bigger picture and in reality they did themselves and their image more harm than good by not coming to some sort of understanding with the other teams.
@dougpryce92 search for the Wikipedia article, it explains it really well. In a nutshell, the Michelin tyres had a problem that, along with a new, rougher surface at Indy and the loads put on the tyres through the banking, made them very likely to fail. As the rules forbade tyre changes Michelin wanted a temporary chicane installed to slow the cars down into Turn 13. Negotiations fell through, Michelin couldn't guarantee the drivers' safety, so Michelin-fitted teams withdrew from the race.
Max Mosely was not at the track but was communicating with teams about the situation. He declined the idea of putting a chicane at the final turn as it would have disadvantaged the Bridgestone runners, and because a change in track layout would have deemed it a non-championship event.
The wee man haha. Classic.
Brundle asking the right questions and made Bernie having nowhere to skip it.
An older friend told me about his GP and I had to check it out myself, what on earth was this lmao
6:00 Martin it's James
Actually hats off to Bernie as well. Remember this race. Really weird and everyone hated it
Ambiguity... the art of every F1 driver.
can u believe rubens and martin were teammates in 1996
The guy standing with Button was thinking he would be interviewed and is then just standing there with a sad look on his face when Brundle starts talking to Button.
Something tells me that in decades to come, F1 in the USA will be massive 😝
if this was indycar they would have put a temporary chicane in. they respect the fans more imo