I know that you are not satisfied with how Alien Biospheres #11, but I think that I speak for the community as a whole when I say that I enjoyed it immensely. I believe that it was a great episode, and I loved the presentation of how many different ways that island-bound species could evolve. You illustrated the forces which shape their evolution well, and tied in the general principles well with the specific manifestations of how your world is developing. Please keep up the amazing work.
I remember how I understood nothing while watching the Edun showcase video, but rewatching it now, I not only understand what's going on, I also see how it's all actually easier than it seemed(grammar-wise of course).
i do enjoy seeing the word coining process-it’s quite relaxing in the background-so maybe just do one or two “on air” per episode, so the majority of each episode can be more “novel material”. Or maybe make vocab generation a low-effort side series of videos you can keep in reserve and post when you’re too exhausted from other things?
I would love to see a video touching on the Refugium again, if there’s anything more you can reveal without spoiling (like maybe a cultural showcase of the Oqolaayo)
I thought the alien biospheres video was good. I’m more of a conlang guy than a speculative biology guy, so maybe I just don’t have the experience of anything.
I really like that valency system, the only thing I would say is everything has a justification except why that particular case is used to reintroduce the object. With enough justification I'd say go for it since the rest of the system is really elegant (and really scans like spanish to me, which is a +1 in my books) I enjoy the faster pace through declining the nouns, perhaps a supercut of a few nouns that are interesting or just phonologically pleasing?
Regarding the pace: I love this series, and I like the idea of showing as much of the actual conlanging as possible. But I think you have to make compromises. I like seeing example declensions, but maybe do the majority of them off-screen. You could show those that you deem most representative, interesting, or exceptional. This would ensure that - What you do on-screen is actually correct. - It doesn't get repetitive, confusing, or outright obsolete/negated later, at least not as often. - The content of the video becomes more interesting. - The videos as a whole get shorter, or you could cover more ground per video. You could still record yourself doing it, of course! Just be more willing to leave it out of the final cut.
Biospheres episode 11 was fine I'm just happy it came out and I still enjoyed it and I'm telling you it's not as bad as you thought it was but if this means that the episodes are going to get better then I'm on board with that but remember, we all appreciate that your making a spec-zoo series that is active and successful and we're all thankful for that so thank you.
The passive makes 100% sense, in Old Norse (an maybe Icelandic ?) the accusative is used for the passive since Old Norse and definitely Icelandic as well like to have dative and accusative subjects in general.
When you learn other languages through conlang case study videos: I have been studying Irish for a fair bit now and I couldn't really understand the passive progressive construction but now I do, so thank you Biblaridion
I like the controversial idea with the reflexives! Also, I like lefthand alternates (in terms of the stress shifts in the animacy/number table); I forgot if those are the shifted or unshifted ones. For the 100k thing, I can't think of anything off the top of my head, but I think it coupd be fun to discuss and 'advertise' other conlang/spec evo projects on yt as I've seen quite a few (of the latter) inspired by your Alien Biosphere series.
I also speak for everyone when I say your series is amazing. I’m an artist too, and I completely understand how hyper-critical we can be to our own work. Trust me, I didn’t notice anything off, or wrong, or bad, or anything other than fantastic. Keep up the amazing work. We love u
Personally I enjoy hearing your thinking process behind the morphophonology of the inflections. However, I think the most important thing is that you still enjoy it, too. As long as that's the case I think pretty much anything that you talk about concerning your conlanging is interesting to our community. So feel free to do this in whatever pace you feel most comfortable in.
One thing to keep in mind about Irish is that it doesn't have participles, but verbal nouns and adjectives, which is the reason the genitive is used to mark the object of a verb in the continuous aspect. That's something that might not be obvious from the English literal translation.
"The oxen will love the two women on the rocks." Am I the problem if this sentence sounds a little dirty to me? I also kind of wondered whether "on the rocks" was where the women were or where the loving was happening.
Note that passive is not always used to remove/deemphasize the agent, but to make the patient the subject--e.g., to make it more accessible to relativization or to align with information structure, etc. Which makes it very useful to be able to reintroduce the active subject as an oblique, 'cause maybe you didn't want to eliminate it but you had to passivize for syntactic reasons.
Ooh. I love old case marking changing around and making no sense unless you look back at the history of a thing. I have a whole erg-abs -> nom-acc shift in a conlang that led to that and it’s done some strange things to cases which occasionally make no sense unless you know the history.
The declension work of air would be good, and I think another stress shift would be good imo, and it would eliminate those messy acutes. Also I think vowels in hiatus could maybe have glides inserted to clean things up
I don't know what any of this means, but I love these videos so much! Thank you for making them! I love watching you evolve words! Maybe a sit down and just taking the time to evolve words could be a 100K celebration? Crowd-source root words and go at it? Bc it seems like a whole lot of other commenters like the word creation process too!
My only concern with your anti-passive construction is a (potential) lack of redundancy. Languages generally try to avoid to very different meanings which won't be clearly distinguished by context being only separated by a single phoneme.
As someone who vastly prefers grammar to building lexicon, it is more interesting to me to watch you build grammar. I did like when you worked on the auxiliaries and the suppletion for those. I personally wouldn't mind if you worked on the declensions on your own, but I'm happy to watch these videos no matter what.
Spanish pronouns are always fronted. The reason is because the parent language of Latin is an SOV language. And as happens with language, things that are regularly used quite often can fossilize features of parent languages. In Spanish's case, as with many Romance Languages, this happens to be the position of the object pronouns. I see it=Yo lo veo. They give me an apple=Ellos me dan una manzana.
Hi. For the 100k video (congrats btw!) you could give some feedback on the art submissions for the ab series, not in a contest way, just perhaps comenting what you like to see more in the arts and how canonical they look.
i'm looking into antipassive a lot for my own conlang stuff, since I'm going down the ergative-absolutive rabbit hole. You helped explain a weird concept quite nicely here. perhaps to speed up the bulking of the lang, at some point put out to your viewers to ask for words (English) and use those to develop a corpus of nouns, verbs, adjective-adverbs, etc. Putting strain on the constraints will be what will help test it for naturalism, I think :)
I love your conlanging videos so much. I find the ideas really interesting (in fact, I might steal that passive from the indefinite pronoun for one of my current conlanging projects!) and they really help me think through the whole process of creating a language.
I don't mind if you skip the part where you coin roots and figure their declentions and do it on your own time, I watch the serie more to learn the technical vocabulary around conlanging + the meanings (because it's nice to document myself but if I can't understand anything, it's not of any use); and then to get ideas/inspirations for things I may or may not want to take into consideration for my own conlangs along with how to approach certain features
I think doing the declension work on air is fine, but it'd be helpful to go over the sound changes again when you do. Now we're just assumed to remember them from months ago. I'd also be interested in more explanation as to the how and why of occasions when you decide to merge two vowels (or similar) in an ad hoc fashion, cause that certainly happens, but it's hard to judge sometimes when it's right.
I really liked this video, please continue to do the conlanging videos. The parts of the declensions aren't bad when you are discovering the patterns, but in the long term they might get a bit boring I think I wouldn't like the reflexive to have so much functions, but since it makes sense and it adds some spice. Also, I think the use of the dative and the genitive in those thing may be better if switched.
have you ever considered using analogy in order to create irregularity in some paradigms (as in many Indo-European languages)? Such as, for example, creating irregular plural endings for pronouns and then porting that ending to the nominal paradigm to create unexpected plurals in some cases?
If you did more stuff off camera, then we'd get to see more progress on the language, especially considering these installments are fairly rare. Keeping this pace will draaaaaag things out really really slowly. I think, once you've shone the process or your though process, or explained a problem, you could solve it/work off camera and come back with the results. That will help with the pacing. As it is, I don't have a strong feel for this language, and it would be really great to see it go through its paces. It would be fun to start getting to the speakers and their culture, which will be necessary once you get to vocabulary.
I like that idea for the passive, antipassive, case alternation thing. I'd like to still have some declension stuff on air, but probably not all of it. I prefer the versions of the dual and the singulative with the stress pulled back most of the time, but sometimes I prefer the other one. I really only like nürű more than nürye̋e̋y, but maybe you could slim that one down a little bit and I'd still prefer the pulled back stress version.
I don't mind seeing you create the declensions. In fact every once in a while it's useful. But I can definitely do without it if that's easier, especially if it takes up most of the episode. Great video as always!
i feel like you should have second to the front stress at the beginning, affixes shift stress as soon as theyre attached, that way proto monosyllabic words will still have the vowel variation you want
in one of my conlangs, the passive voice became the active voice and the active voice became the potential form. i'm not sure if any language does this but i would love to see it irl
Noed ní keibekíní woegvonatuiń legved ku tíhken hańan kif foilahkaut. (Pure power is gathered from the one who will condemn the Unknowers.) And a new passive voice construction developed: foilaglu /vuːlaju/ - to be able to gather sth, to be allowed to gather sth kif foilaglu /kɪv vuːlaju/- to gather sth foilahkaut /vuːlakəʊt/ - to be able to be gathered by sth, to be allowed to be gathered by sth kif foilahkaut /kɪv vuːlakəʊt/ - to be gathered by sth
I liked the valency system as far as the true passive and the reflexive-as-mediopassive, but the antipassive construction lost me. The main function of a passive or antipassive is being able to delete one of the arguments, but if noun case is required to distinguish roles, then... can you even do a regular antipassive without an object? How I interpreted the combinations: passive w/o subject - use true passive passive w/ readded subject - use reflexive + dative reflexive - use reflexive antipassive w/o object - ??? antipassive w/ readded object - use reflexive + genitive The use of an antipassive with a required object would be to front the agent for keeping the topic the subject, but isn't the agent already in the nominative case? I'd think the use of an antipassive in an accusative language would be being able to delete the object, not rearranging the agent to a position it's already in. (I might be totally wrong on any of my assertions about the lang. I haven't really kept up, so I'm not so confident in saying that it's accusative, or that the antipassive wouldn't change the agent's case. I'm inferring what I can here.) So the system is interesting, but leaving aside naturalism, it seems like it fails to have the functions you might want? If I'm just missing something about how this works, I'd love to be clarified.
The thing with "gustar" happens cross linguistically a lot. Italian does the same thing: "Mi piace il formaggio." Russian too: "Мне нравится сыр. (Mne nravitsya syr.)" Even Icelandic: "Mér líkar ostur." (Although nowadays people prefer to make it wholly impersonal and say something like "Mér líkar við ost.") Old English had a version of this: "Mē līcaþ ċīese." (Also, in Spanish, when you talk about general uncountable things you use the definite article, so you'd say "Me gusta *el* queso." That's widespread in Romance languages (other than Brazilian Portuguese).)
I wouldn't be surprised if it's a common feature of European languages but not the world in general. Mostly since all your examples were European and I've never heard of a non-Euro lang doing it.
@@Natasha-ig9hr This phenomenon is basically a dative experiencer construction en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dative_construction or quirky subject en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quirky_subject Other non-European languages do have constructions which use typically non-subject cases in a subject role. This episode of Conlangery also talks about it: conlangery.com/2014/01/conlangery-96-where-did-my-nominative-go/
For the 100k video, I would just do another Q&A; I can think of some things I might ask you. For the valency thing, I don't really see the point of an antipassive in an accusative language; perhaps someone more knowledgeable on the subject could explain, but if you do include it, I think the way you're doing it is fine. I would rather the filling out of declensions be done off camera, but I not heavily opinionated either way.
This series feels like when you do a test and it gets harder and harder as you go along. Phonology? Breeze. Non concatenative morphology? Meh. Lots of cases? So what. Inverse number? Ummm... Valency changing operations? wait stop no-
Which natural languages do you think are the biggest inspirations specifically for the phonoaesthetic of this conlang? So far it's giving me slight turkic/mongolic vibes. As for off camera work, personally I enjoy seeing you make decisions and fill out grammar. Watching you fill out the declension tables is a little boring.
0:39 I have to disagree; Alien Biospheres Part 11 was the best part this far of the Alien Biospheres series this far! (At least in my oppinion) I can't wait for part 12!
I would be fine if you skipped going through the sound changes, mainly because I neither remember all your sound changes nor know if you do when your going through them. What I get out of watching you go through these could either be gotten with only a few (like what you've already done maybe) or with my own conlanging where I actually have to work out what's going on myself.
I think doing more stuff offscreen would be good because doing it onscreen will make things go a bit slower. I like the subject of a passsive being marked with the locative so I don’t know about the idea to have the passive/antipassive take the same form.
I think you could possibly stand to lose some time conjugating and declining words in the video, cos the actual grammar formation process strikes me as way more interesting.
I'd say the "they" in "they say something will happen tomorrow" is different from the "it" in "it's raining". "to rain" is, simply, a verb with no arguments, since it describes not only an action but all the parties involved in it. It's used in English for some weather events, but you can extend it even further than that. For example, in one of my conlangs, there's a verb for the Sun rising. A speaker might pose the same question - what the-Sun-rises? It's not the Sun, it's not the sky, it's not the Moon... it's simply the case that the-Sun-rises "They" can still be substituted for a person, but the dummy subject in English exists specifically to stave off a class of nullary verbs, since we have a strong conception that verbs must be, at least, unary.
I think the declension part is somewhat boring, I think it would be nicer for you to come up with them more off camera. I wanna see more of the constructions, the thought process, and the idea creation in your video, but that's just my opinion.
About your passive/antipassive strategy of changing the case of one of the arguments, I have an example from Mandarin that is kind of related, maybe you already know about this. I know that Mandarin is analytical, therefore very different from your conlang. Also, the example I’ll give is more like a combination of simplification and topic marking. But case is just encoded with word order in Mandarin, and word order matters here, so I think it is still relevant to the topic. When the object of a transitive verb in the completive is omitted, and the subject is not a personal pronoun, the sentence may take on two opposite interpretations depending on the context. 猫 看见 了。 *_cat(-subject / -topic) see COMPL.AUX_* “The cat saw (something/someone).” [Antipassive] / “The cat was seen (by something/someone).” [Passive] Some notes here: First, this construction is informal. Second, it’s usually used on subjects that are considered inanimate, and can feel awkward or just wrong with more animate nouns. Finally, Mandarin doesn’t have the antipassive. I wrote it as such because I think the meanings are somewhat similar. Depending on how the other argument is introduced into this sentence, it can either become active or remain in passive. [Active] 猫 看见 了 我。 *_cat(-subject) see COMPL.AUX 1SG(-object)_* “The cat saw me.” [Passive] 猫 我 看见 了。 *_cat(-topic) 1SG(-subject) see COMPL.AUX_* “The cat was seen by me.” I think of the passive one as either from the following sentence with the passive auxiliary omitted: 猫 被 我 看见 了。 cat(-subject) PASS.AUX 1SG(-object) see COMPL.AUX “The cat was seen by me. “ or from the following sentence with a change in structure to promote the object to the topic: 我 看见 了 猫。 1SG(-subject) see COMPL.AUX cat(-object) “I saw the cat.” Now, if we analyze the three sentences in bold italic purely from a grammatical standpoint, ignore the syntax behind them, make them synthetic and in SVO order, we get this: cat-TOP see-COMPL [Antipassive/Passive] cat-TOP see-COMPL 1SG-ACC [Active] cat-TOP see-COMPL 1SG-NOM [Passive] All information about voice is encoded in the object and its case. Also, the antipassive and passive without stating the agent are identical, only context can tell them apart.
We conlangers in your audience really appreciate that you still do these conlanging videos despite how much fewer views they get than alien biospheres
yeah!
GORN!
I agree!
100% agree.
for sure
I know that you are not satisfied with how Alien Biospheres #11, but I think that I speak for the community as a whole when I say that I enjoyed it immensely. I believe that it was a great episode, and I loved the presentation of how many different ways that island-bound species could evolve. You illustrated the forces which shape their evolution well, and tied in the general principles well with the specific manifestations of how your world is developing. Please keep up the amazing work.
honestly the last alien biosphere episode was one of my favorites, possibly the best one
ah yes, another video in which i will understand nothing and enjoy everything
I remember how I understood nothing while watching the Edun showcase video, but rewatching it now, I not only understand what's going on, I also see how it's all actually easier than it seemed(grammar-wise of course).
@@cardamom593 it's so fun you'll never want to stop learning what language can do
I understand more or less all of it and it definitely enhances the experience
Maybe for 100k you could do some sort of "History of the Biblaridion channel"
i do enjoy seeing the word coining process-it’s quite relaxing in the background-so maybe just do one or two “on air” per episode, so the majority of each episode can be more “novel material”. Or maybe make vocab generation a low-effort side series of videos you can keep in reserve and post when you’re too exhausted from other things?
Yeah, Bib has a calming sort of voice that I would listen to declining nouns on a loop, just as a kind of white noise.
My suggestion is that you have a break.
I would love to see a video touching on the Refugium again, if there’s anything more you can reveal without spoiling (like maybe a cultural showcase of the Oqolaayo)
I thought the alien biospheres video was good. I’m more of a conlang guy than a speculative biology guy, so maybe I just don’t have the experience of anything.
I enjoyed the the alien biospheres too. He explained the concepts/rules very well and the creatures were creative.
I really like that valency system, the only thing I would say is everything has a justification except why that particular case is used to reintroduce the object. With enough justification I'd say go for it since the rest of the system is really elegant (and really scans like spanish to me, which is a +1 in my books)
I enjoy the faster pace through declining the nouns, perhaps a supercut of a few nouns that are interesting or just phonologically pleasing?
Also remember that a few common verbs in Basque don't require auxiliaries
i actually really like watching you evolving the words. Dont know why
It’s super relaxing.
Regarding the pace: I love this series, and I like the idea of showing as much of the actual conlanging as possible. But I think you have to make compromises. I like seeing example declensions, but maybe do the majority of them off-screen. You could show those that you deem most representative, interesting, or exceptional. This would ensure that
- What you do on-screen is actually correct.
- It doesn't get repetitive, confusing, or outright obsolete/negated later, at least not as often.
- The content of the video becomes more interesting.
- The videos as a whole get shorter, or you could cover more ground per video.
You could still record yourself doing it, of course! Just be more willing to leave it out of the final cut.
Biospheres episode 11 was fine I'm just happy it came out and I still enjoyed it and I'm telling you it's not as bad as you thought it was but if this means that the episodes are going to get better then I'm on board with that but remember, we all appreciate that your making a spec-zoo series that is active and successful and we're all thankful for that so thank you.
Well, I loved the alien biosphere episode if that means anything :) Just still horrified by a planet populated by spider elephants
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I will never be able to unsee that now 🤣🤣
The passive makes 100% sense, in Old Norse (an maybe Icelandic ?) the accusative is used for the passive since Old Norse and definitely Icelandic as well like to have dative and accusative subjects in general.
Always love the sentences construction at the end. It feels nice to see the words coming together.
When you learn other languages through conlang case study videos:
I have been studying Irish for a fair bit now and I couldn't really understand the passive progressive construction but now I do, so thank you Biblaridion
I like the controversial idea with the reflexives! Also, I like lefthand alternates (in terms of the stress shifts in the animacy/number table); I forgot if those are the shifted or unshifted ones.
For the 100k thing, I can't think of anything off the top of my head, but I think it coupd be fun to discuss and 'advertise' other conlang/spec evo projects on yt as I've seen quite a few (of the latter) inspired by your Alien Biosphere series.
Refugium again for the 100k i enjoyed that video, it would be interesting to know more about that if you had other info
I also speak for everyone when I say your series is amazing. I’m an artist too, and I completely understand how hyper-critical we can be to our own work. Trust me, I didn’t notice anything off, or wrong, or bad, or anything other than fantastic. Keep up the amazing work. We love u
Personally I enjoy hearing your thinking process behind the morphophonology of the inflections. However, I think the most important thing is that you still enjoy it, too. As long as that's the case I think pretty much anything that you talk about concerning your conlanging is interesting to our community. So feel free to do this in whatever pace you feel most comfortable in.
One thing to keep in mind about Irish is that it doesn't have participles, but verbal nouns and adjectives, which is the reason the genitive is used to mark the object of a verb in the continuous aspect. That's something that might not be obvious from the English literal translation.
"The oxen will love the two women on the rocks."
Am I the problem if this sentence sounds a little dirty to me? I also kind of wondered whether "on the rocks" was where the women were or where the loving was happening.
Same
Note that passive is not always used to remove/deemphasize the agent, but to make the patient the subject--e.g., to make it more accessible to relativization or to align with information structure, etc. Which makes it very useful to be able to reintroduce the active subject as an oblique, 'cause maybe you didn't want to eliminate it but you had to passivize for syntactic reasons.
You deserve 100K! You make great stuff! I like watching your conlanging videos for ideas
Ooh. I love old case marking changing around and making no sense unless you look back at the history of a thing. I have a whole erg-abs -> nom-acc shift in a conlang that led to that and it’s done some strange things to cases which occasionally make no sense unless you know the history.
Thanks for bringing another episode, I love this series Ps : I love how the language sounds, the sentence at the end of the video was really pleasant
The declension work of air would be good, and I think another stress shift would be good imo, and it would eliminate those messy acutes. Also I think vowels in hiatus could maybe have glides inserted to clean things up
Also Slavic uses reflexives as a mediopassive too! And those usually get translated as English passives.
congrats on 100K! big fan of your videos (both con langing and alien biospheres) keep up the amazing work 👍
This is the first time I have ever experienced watching someone come up with a conlang. This was very helpful when I want to do my own.
I don't know what any of this means, but I love these videos so much! Thank you for making them!
I love watching you evolve words! Maybe a sit down and just taking the time to evolve words could be a 100K celebration? Crowd-source root words and go at it? Bc it seems like a whole lot of other commenters like the word creation process too!
The bit with the reflexive makes sense to me!
Nice! I was just bingeing this series!
the indefinite (anti)passive construction works pretty well. I say do it
I started watching this, forgot to finish it, and now trying to watch it before the new episode, but I remember nothing
My only concern with your anti-passive construction is a (potential) lack of redundancy. Languages generally try to avoid to very different meanings which won't be clearly distinguished by context being only separated by a single phoneme.
As someone who vastly prefers grammar to building lexicon, it is more interesting to me to watch you build grammar. I did like when you worked on the auxiliaries and the suppletion for those. I personally wouldn't mind if you worked on the declensions on your own, but I'm happy to watch these videos no matter what.
Spanish pronouns are always fronted. The reason is because the parent language of Latin is an SOV language. And as happens with language, things that are regularly used quite often can fossilize features of parent languages. In Spanish's case, as with many Romance Languages, this happens to be the position of the object pronouns.
I see it=Yo lo veo.
They give me an apple=Ellos me dan una manzana.
Hi. For the 100k video (congrats btw!) you could give some feedback on the art submissions for the ab series, not in a contest way, just perhaps comenting what you like to see more in the arts and how canonical they look.
I would love another q&a
My idea on 100k is showcasing some dialects of Edun/Nekāchti/Oqolaawak.
100k subscribers! Congratulations! :)
i'm looking into antipassive a lot for my own conlang stuff, since I'm going down the ergative-absolutive rabbit hole. You helped explain a weird concept quite nicely here.
perhaps to speed up the bulking of the lang, at some point put out to your viewers to ask for words (English) and use those to develop a corpus of nouns, verbs, adjective-adverbs, etc. Putting strain on the constraints will be what will help test it for naturalism, I think :)
I love your conlanging videos so much. I find the ideas really interesting (in fact, I might steal that passive from the indefinite pronoun for one of my current conlanging projects!) and they really help me think through the whole process of creating a language.
I don't mind if you skip the part where you coin roots and figure their declentions and do it on your own time, I watch the serie more to learn the technical vocabulary around conlanging + the meanings (because it's nice to document myself but if I can't understand anything, it's not of any use); and then to get ideas/inspirations for things I may or may not want to take into consideration for my own conlangs along with how to approach certain features
Love waking up just as this airs.
I think doing the declension work on air is fine, but it'd be helpful to go over the sound changes again when you do. Now we're just assumed to remember them from months ago. I'd also be interested in more explanation as to the how and why of occasions when you decide to merge two vowels (or similar) in an ad hoc fashion, cause that certainly happens, but it's hard to judge sometimes when it's right.
I personally think that for 100k you should go through your older spec bio projects, but if you don't want to that's fine.
CONGRATS ON 100K!
Me, an amateur conlanger watching this without understanding a word: Hmmm, yes. Nice work.
CONGRATS ON 100K BIB, FROM THE ALIEN BIOSPHERES SERVER WE ALL LOVE YOU!!!!!
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I really liked this video, please continue to do the conlanging videos. The parts of the declensions aren't bad when you are discovering the patterns, but in the long term they might get a bit boring
I think I wouldn't like the reflexive to have so much functions, but since it makes sense and it adds some spice. Also, I think the use of the dative and the genitive in those thing may be better if switched.
have you ever considered using analogy in order to create irregularity in some paradigms (as in many Indo-European languages)? Such as, for example, creating irregular plural endings for pronouns and then porting that ending to the nominal paradigm to create unexpected plurals in some cases?
Nice, another conlang case study video
If you did more stuff off camera, then we'd get to see more progress on the language, especially considering these installments are fairly rare. Keeping this pace will draaaaaag things out really really slowly. I think, once you've shone the process or your though process, or explained a problem, you could solve it/work off camera and come back with the results. That will help with the pacing. As it is, I don't have a strong feel for this language, and it would be really great to see it go through its paces. It would be fun to start getting to the speakers and their culture, which will be necessary once you get to vocabulary.
I like that idea for the passive, antipassive, case alternation thing.
I'd like to still have some declension stuff on air, but probably not all of it.
I prefer the versions of the dual and the singulative with the stress pulled back most of the time, but sometimes I prefer the other one.
I really only like nürű more than nürye̋e̋y, but maybe you could slim that one down a little bit and I'd still prefer the pulled back stress version.
I don't mind seeing you create the declensions. In fact every once in a while it's useful. But I can definitely do without it if that's easier, especially if it takes up most of the episode. Great video as always!
i feel like you should have second to the front stress at the beginning, affixes shift stress as soon as theyre attached, that way proto monosyllabic words will still have the vowel variation you want
Bib the most recent biospheres was actually my favorite.
I might not understand most of this but I do enjoy listening to it.
After the animate singular locative, you seem to forget the u becomes an o after gq.
Speed things up? Nooooo take it nice and slow! I'm enjoying it!
I personally like to see the declension tables for the words, but not the process of filling the tables.
It's a very.... purring language.
I know this isn't related to the video but were some creatures from Alien Biospheres inspired by Snaiad?
Maybe do something about your old scrapped conlangs for 100k?
in one of my conlangs, the passive voice became the active voice and the active voice became the potential form. i'm not sure if any language does this but i would love to see it irl
Noed ní keibekíní woegvonatuiń legved ku tíhken hańan kif foilahkaut.
(Pure power is gathered from the one who will condemn the Unknowers.)
And a new passive voice construction developed:
foilaglu /vuːlaju/ - to be able to gather sth, to be allowed to gather sth
kif foilaglu /kɪv vuːlaju/- to gather sth
foilahkaut /vuːlakəʊt/ - to be able to be gathered by sth, to be allowed to be gathered by sth
kif foilahkaut /kɪv vuːlakəʊt/ - to be gathered by sth
qna would be nice for 100k
I liked the valency system as far as the true passive and the reflexive-as-mediopassive, but the antipassive construction lost me. The main function of a passive or antipassive is being able to delete one of the arguments, but if noun case is required to distinguish roles, then... can you even do a regular antipassive without an object?
How I interpreted the combinations:
passive w/o subject - use true passive
passive w/ readded subject - use reflexive + dative
reflexive - use reflexive
antipassive w/o object - ???
antipassive w/ readded object - use reflexive + genitive
The use of an antipassive with a required object would be to front the agent for keeping the topic the subject, but isn't the agent already in the nominative case? I'd think the use of an antipassive in an accusative language would be being able to delete the object, not rearranging the agent to a position it's already in.
(I might be totally wrong on any of my assertions about the lang. I haven't really kept up, so I'm not so confident in saying that it's accusative, or that the antipassive wouldn't change the agent's case. I'm inferring what I can here.)
So the system is interesting, but leaving aside naturalism, it seems like it fails to have the functions you might want? If I'm just missing something about how this works, I'd love to be clarified.
declensions off air might be nice
Isn’t sadhüürlü disharmonic?
The thing with "gustar" happens cross linguistically a lot. Italian does the same thing:
"Mi piace il formaggio."
Russian too:
"Мне нравится сыр. (Mne nravitsya syr.)"
Even Icelandic:
"Mér líkar ostur." (Although nowadays people prefer to make it wholly impersonal and say something like "Mér líkar við ost.")
Old English had a version of this:
"Mē līcaþ ċīese."
(Also, in Spanish, when you talk about general uncountable things you use the definite article, so you'd say "Me gusta *el* queso." That's widespread in Romance languages (other than Brazilian Portuguese).)
I wouldn't be surprised if it's a common feature of European languages but not the world in general. Mostly since all your examples were European and I've never heard of a non-Euro lang doing it.
@@Natasha-ig9hr This phenomenon is basically a dative experiencer construction en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dative_construction or quirky subject en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quirky_subject Other non-European languages do have constructions which use typically non-subject cases in a subject role. This episode of Conlangery also talks about it: conlangery.com/2014/01/conlangery-96-where-did-my-nominative-go/
For the 100k video, I would just do another Q&A; I can think of some things I might ask you.
For the valency thing, I don't really see the point of an antipassive in an accusative language; perhaps someone more knowledgeable on the subject could explain, but if you do include it, I think the way you're doing it is fine.
I would rather the filling out of declensions be done off camera, but I not heavily opinionated either way.
You should play spore for the 100k
This series feels like when you do a test and it gets harder and harder as you go along. Phonology? Breeze. Non concatenative morphology? Meh. Lots of cases? So what. Inverse number? Ummm... Valency changing operations? wait stop no-
I *think* gustare meant "to taste" in Classical Latin.
Which natural languages do you think are the biggest inspirations specifically for the phonoaesthetic of this conlang? So far it's giving me slight turkic/mongolic vibes. As for off camera work, personally I enjoy seeing you make decisions and fill out grammar. Watching you fill out the declension tables is a little boring.
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I have to disagree; Alien Biospheres Part 11 was the best part this far of the Alien Biospheres series this far! (At least in my oppinion)
I can't wait for part 12!
I would be fine if you skipped going through the sound changes, mainly because I neither remember all your sound changes nor know if you do when your going through them. What I get out of watching you go through these could either be gotten with only a few (like what you've already done maybe) or with my own conlanging where I actually have to work out what's going on myself.
I thought the episode was great, and it seems everyone else in the audience also does!
Passive vs Causative... Active vs Mediopassive... What else is there?
WE HAVE THE 100K :D
Shouldn't the sentence at the end be "Nürís tissa sadhüürlü *irnűűn* mürűr"? Because it's the women that are on the rocks, not the oxen.
I like your funny words, magic man
Долго сложно и мало действий
I think doing more stuff offscreen would be good because doing it onscreen will make things go a bit slower. I like the subject of a passsive being marked with the locative so I don’t know about the idea to have the passive/antipassive take the same form.
Oooooooh shit yay
I think you could possibly stand to lose some time conjugating and declining words in the video, cos the actual grammar formation process strikes me as way more interesting.
toe reveal for 100k subs?
QNA! QNA! QNA!
I'd say the "they" in "they say something will happen tomorrow" is different from the "it" in "it's raining". "to rain" is, simply, a verb with no arguments, since it describes not only an action but all the parties involved in it. It's used in English for some weather events, but you can extend it even further than that.
For example, in one of my conlangs, there's a verb for the Sun rising. A speaker might pose the same question - what the-Sun-rises? It's not the Sun, it's not the sky, it's not the Moon... it's simply the case that the-Sun-rises
"They" can still be substituted for a person, but the dummy subject in English exists specifically to stave off a class of nullary verbs, since we have a strong conception that verbs must be, at least, unary.
I think the declension part is somewhat boring, I think it would be nicer for you to come up with them more off camera. I wanna see more of the constructions, the thought process, and the idea creation in your video, but that's just my opinion.
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Had many sons
And many sons had Biblaridion
Im sad you didn't like part 11 cuase i really liked it
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Edit: I liked part 11........
About your passive/antipassive strategy of changing the case of one of the arguments, I have an example from Mandarin that is kind of related, maybe you already know about this. I know that Mandarin is analytical, therefore very different from your conlang. Also, the example I’ll give is more like a combination of simplification and topic marking. But case is just encoded with word order in Mandarin, and word order matters here, so I think it is still relevant to the topic.
When the object of a transitive verb in the completive is omitted, and the subject is not a personal pronoun, the sentence may take on two opposite interpretations depending on the context.
猫 看见 了。
*_cat(-subject / -topic) see COMPL.AUX_*
“The cat saw (something/someone).” [Antipassive] /
“The cat was seen (by something/someone).” [Passive]
Some notes here:
First, this construction is informal. Second, it’s usually used on subjects that are considered inanimate, and can feel awkward or just wrong with more animate nouns. Finally, Mandarin doesn’t have the antipassive. I wrote it as such because I think the meanings are somewhat similar.
Depending on how the other argument is introduced into this sentence, it can either become active or remain in passive.
[Active]
猫 看见 了 我。
*_cat(-subject) see COMPL.AUX 1SG(-object)_*
“The cat saw me.”
[Passive]
猫 我 看见 了。
*_cat(-topic) 1SG(-subject) see COMPL.AUX_*
“The cat was seen by me.”
I think of the passive one as either from the following sentence with the passive auxiliary omitted:
猫 被 我 看见 了。
cat(-subject) PASS.AUX 1SG(-object) see COMPL.AUX
“The cat was seen by me. “
or from the following sentence with a change in structure to promote the object to the topic:
我 看见 了 猫。
1SG(-subject) see COMPL.AUX cat(-object)
“I saw the cat.”
Now, if we analyze the three sentences in bold italic purely from a grammatical standpoint, ignore the syntax behind them, make them synthetic and in SVO order, we get this:
cat-TOP see-COMPL [Antipassive/Passive]
cat-TOP see-COMPL 1SG-ACC [Active]
cat-TOP see-COMPL 1SG-NOM [Passive]
All information about voice is encoded in the object and its case. Also, the antipassive and passive without stating the agent are identical, only context can tell them apart.
I'm surprised you didn't like #11 I thought it was great
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that one person that disliked the video 🤦♂️