Breakdown Nightmare SCANIA S 580 V8 Not Happy What Happened?
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- čas přidán 24. 06. 2023
- Our SCANIA S 580 V8 Breaks Down badly, and shows it's inner Volkswagen shinning through!
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we had a chap delivering a load in our yard few months ago and his 20 plate Renault managed to fry both the ECU's that control the rear half of the truck so no suspension control and when the tech plugged in the truck didn't know it even had a tag axle. poor guy was stuck for 14 hours waiting for a pair of ecu's.
this kind of crap is why i still run a 2004 164 480 only ever had wearing parts changed, lot to be said for simplicity and quality.
So sorry to hear your Scania broke down. Had the same problem with my 2012 PGR- Scania 5 years ago. Luckily for me the dealer had the right ECU in stock after which it was a 'plug-and-play'-thing. Truck was repaired in approximately 3 hours... And I agree, the airconditioning on the older PGR worked way better than the one in my new NGS Scania. Nonetheless I wish you many safe km's! Cheers from Belgium!
My cousin in Paris has a towing/scrap business. They bought an even bigger recovery vehicle then the one that towed you. So cool. Sorry to hear about the truck.
I hope you can get better air con. I know from working with computers that the operator needs to keep cool in this weather just as much as the chips. 👍
Such a shame what happened to you ( and your truck of course ) but we also all know that the " miracle" truck having never problems doesn't exist .What about the 'Scania services' so ? Happily they got a new part very quickly, just think friend of mine have to wait 3 weeks due to electonics problems on his MAN ! ....
I imagine " spotters" too happy shooting a v8 behind an FH ...
Stay strong .
Greatings from Brittany.
Dear Stavros IDK what others believe but for me I am quite enjoying this kind of contect. Kindly, keep them coming and stay safe.
I'm the literal opposite when it comes to pallet trucks, double boggies on front, to get over door thresholds and rubbery wheels on them not to have the load jump as one thumps over said door thresholds.
Great video Stavros.
Hope you get things sorted soon.
From William " Mount Gambier South Australia
Sometimes high tech stuff is like customers, the job would go a lot smoother without them!😅 Best of luck going forwards (and in reverse).
Cheeeeers👍
I really think OEMs are not spending as much time in testing as they used to.
Additionally, they apply components on their specifications limit.
Therefore, these systems fail quite more often than past ones did.
What you experience has been the norm in many vehicles, starting on cargo vans.
Cargo vans share a lot of parts with passenger cars, especially the smaller ones.
Regardless, these small vans run quite more than cars, meaning, they will show their true colors sooner.
I have been seeing many delivering companies using rental vans more regularly, as their own vans breakdown and go to the dealer to get fixed.
One can argue that this is due to regulations on emissions.
I feel that it may have something to do with it, as more complex systems shall be implemented - such as AdBlue and DPF - however, I feel OEMs need to test more, and sell a reliable product.
Otherwise, people will look for alternatives in order to get reliable products, and predictive revenue.
Regarding AC, I really feel that to improve fuel consumption, AC on cars has gotten quite less effective than it used to be.
I've got a BMW 335xd estate which isn't that old and it's a lovely car but like most modern stuff it's over-designed and under-engineered. It's a constant frustration that stuff which has been reliable on cars for years now isn't, all because someone decided to get clever and save 0.1% fuel economy, or 0.1% of some other minor thing so you end up with lots of broken or sub standard parts which cause massive frustration on a regular basis. It's not just a BMW thing though, almost every modern car is like this. For other reasons I want to go back to a 'truck' (i.e a pickup or a proper SUV) but none of the new stuff ticks the boxes as they're not only crazy money, but have daft wee engines in them or are so lightweight that they'll break quickly (and that's discounting any of the 'common major issues' that most cars now seem to have). So I'm going older and simpler and more reliable. Even the new Hiluxes aren't a patch on the previous generation.
@@almac414 I stopped considering Diesel engines for city use - and my Diesel-powered car only does highway driving.
For city driving, I have a small car with a gasoline (petrol) engine, as the downside of more fuel consumption is outweighed by the cheaper maintenance costs.
A Diesel engine in the '90s was a no brainer!
Today, only in small use-cases.
Let's not talk about EVs, as I dislike being an early-adopter, and paying the price of being a beta-tester for OEMs.
@@hitardowhat added maintenance? I would always choose diesel over petrol. Much better economy and they used to have longer service intervals
@@Horizon301. I do not know exactly where you live, so, my answer shall be quite different from your reality.
I will keep that in mind.
Petrol engines produce high levels of CO2, while Diesel produce quite low CO2.
For years, due to this simple understanding, we thought Diesel engines were the solution.
Therefore, here in Europe we pushed hard on Diesel engines for everyone - and consumer loved it, due to the two things you mentioned, coupled with higher torque.
However, we then found that Diesel emit lots of other pollutants, namely NOx and PM 2.5 (particles).
Due to Europe incentivizing Diesels, there was major health issues inside our cities, with ever growing issues of lung cancer and asma.
Therefore, the European Union (EU) restricted the level of emissions of NOx and PM 2.5, compounding with the limits on CO2.
To comply with this regulations (Euro 3, 4, 5, and so on), car manufacturers (OEMs) had to fit various systems to control those emissions.
On Diesels, there was:
- EGR (Exhaust Gas Recirculation), which often clogs up;
- DPF (Diesel Particle Filter), which often clogs up, especially if driven in urban environments;
- Common-rail (e.g., dCi, HDi, CDI, etc...), which increased the fuel pressures in a matter of 10 times;
- AdBlue (or DEF, Diesel Exhaust Fluid), which is another system post-exhaust, which has to be maintain and filled up.
Therefore, in an urban environment, Diesel engines clog up quite fast, requiring really expensive maintenance, because the tolerances have gotten so tight, and the fuel pressure involved has gotten really high (1300+ bar).
Nowadays, AdBlue (or DEF) costs shall be included in the running costs of a Diesel engines, and not only Diesel fuel.
Moreover, Diesel engines use a double-mass flywheel - while the gasoline engines use a traditional one, which is quite cheaper to buy and fit.
Even gasoline (or petrol) engines with Direct Injection start (e.g., FSI, TSI, GDI) to clog up quite fast when driven slowly in urban environments.
Please, do not focus solely on fuel economy.
I have seen many friends who focus on fuel economy, and then spend on maintenance double or triple what they have saved on fuel.
@@hitardo I’m aware of the DPF potential for issues however I’ve not experienced it personally, my experience is only with VW thought for the most part and a 730D albeit that was sold before any issues could crop up. 50k or so miles on an Audi doing short drives and no such issues and a family member barely driving theirs, 12k or so miles in nearly 4 years and very short drives of 10 or so mins. When a flagship bmw is more economical than a petrol hathcback and far superior in terms of performance, it makes you value diesel a lot more. We have two petrol cars now and only one diesel compared to all diesel and it’s the same scenario of the bigger more powerful car being the most economical. It can be noted that service intervals are both 20k or so now for both so that’s less so an issue for VAG thus it’s mostly the fuel economy that makes me miss diesels.
Edit: I will agree regarding the adblue situation that it has added a lot of complexity to systems and it is a very big failure point for vehicles, that alone is a reason I can see why people would want to avoid. If new and in warranty though, you can be sure I will choose diesel.
Having driven old gear across North America and having those dang random issues I hear your pain. Love the channel very entertained
I remember a brand new Atego we had in 1999. There was a faulty gear linkage on them which we later found was recalled, however we didn't know that at the time. We had to try tease it into a gear for what seemed like ages, until we got 4th, then we had to drive it through Galway City. Somehow got back to base and then the long wait for a repair, only for it to fail again in Newmarket on Fergus. Managed to get it into 4th again and hope. An absolute nightmare.
A real drama this time and a great insight into how you have to deal with it. Bet ye there was nothing mechanical had to be fixed on that truck. Where are Scania making their electronic components..
As a mechanic I find it really strange how some stuff will do huge km with no issues and others are just lemons even if they are siblings off the factory
It's called planned obsolence and people keep falling for it.
I have been driving Scania Trucks since 2017 I bought a R620 and I got the 1.1 million km warranty plan I’ve had very few issues with it only a diff at 990000 km it’s now just hitting 1.1 million km I have a new 2024 r650 coming in the next few weeks to replace it I’m hoping it preforms like the old one has.
Volvo to The Rescue 🚛
that M50 gets really busy you have to take care hope you get paid for a night out you would think the dealer ship would have a scanner to see what has happened ,thanks for the video
Enjoyed the video chap...MAN owns Scania now?.....They share an engine soon and cross over parts....Have a great weekend chap....
Had the same exact problem with a DAF, fortunately the assistance brought a new ECU because it seems it's kind of a regular problem with DAF trucks. The mechanic changed the ECU in the side of the road
that tow truck was awesome
When they get that big. They're called wreckers
Dpf issues to prevent them use manual mode select lower gear to keep the rpms high so that it can re-generate.
Hi Stavros matey 👍 ie chuck Norris 👍😀 haha lol. Sorry to hear about your truck ECU problem, i was just thinking about your truck maybe it's just a problem truck that likes to play up when it feels like it, or the part's on your truck are not made to a higher standard by someone who makes the part's for that truck when it was first built from day one. IE your truck wasn't built properly from day one if you know what i mean Stavros matey 👍. Maybe it might be best to sell your truck before you get anymore problems with it???. And I'm very sorry that you had a crap day and night with your truck, but your CZcams videos are very very good and very interesting on trucks or different types of trucks and it's very much appreciated Stavros matey 👍👍 thanks from mark from Wirral Merseyside England 👍👍👍 keep up the great work Stavros matey it's very much appreciated 👍👍👍 and i really enjoy watching your CZcams videos on trucks or the guy who who re-paints other people's trucks i can't think what his name is sorry 👍👍👍👍
Had some similar issues with a DAF, it did shutdown the engine due to a ecu issue but luckily the driver wasn't on a motorway he was quite close to a delivery. Never had issues with MAN, they had shown multiple errors in the past but never let me stranded
Love my MAN......Nice simple trucks
Hi love your videos so much am from Namibia can you update on the P250 the green scania please
I broke down Friday night in Derby last week. The breakdown driver said it was the first Volvo he had towed. He says it’s always scanias he recovering. Seemly they have trouble with having spare parts.
We have the same with our dafs! Half a dozen or so Ecu failures
My glowplug failed causing the dpf not to regen forced into limp mode going uphill from Holyhead. Was an expensive recovery/ repair as I'm a solo operator
Hi stavros that ecu will be a very high price not cheap at all . I had fhe same problem with the scania a few years back on the m74 at rush hour it was a total nightmare and i couldn't get onto hard shoulder. I got pulled to hard shoulder by a ford raptor thankfully. I had to wait 9 days till scania truck an bus got one . Lost faith in scania because like you i had many other things go wrong and it only had done 356000km . Now i drive a volvo fh and done 300000kmwith no issues
Scania living on the back of the 80s and 90s early 00s when they were just faultless. Today just full of electronic sensors like every other brand. But difference is they are idioticly expensive. I had enough with them I have jumped ship. Stavros glad you got going ok safe driving. As usual great video for Sunday morning conservatory 😂. Dylan 👌👍
Had the same thing years ago with a brand new g410 750kms on the clock had to get towed in by an old erf 4 or 5 in the fleet had exactly the same fault very dangerous. Then again ran an r450 for two years without a single fault.
Never say what else can happen because it will,it sucks switching things into a different truck best of luck ,cheers
Saying it or not saying it doesn't matter, if its going to happen then its going to happen... words have no impact in mechanicals. His truck already broke down twice without him saying it.
The joys of being a professional driver 😤
Another good vlog stavros but maybe just get a Volvo FH16 750 and be done with Scania but interesting vlog roll on the next one
sadly that's what happens to newer vehicles with more complicated function installed in the name of boosting more fuel efficiency etc etc making it less and less possible to fix them on your own. And they are pretty brittle that low quality fuel would easily break them. A reason why I'd rather spend my money on used double cabin powered by old indirect injection diesel engine rather than getting my hand on brand new cars with Common Rail engine, heck I'd trust myself on those carburetor more than the ECU and Fi system =_=
When Scania is broken down, there's always somewhere a Volvo to come and rescue
VOLVO r the best trucks/ simple
@@richarddonker9859 to drive they are close. To own the Scania leaves the Volvo behind. Build quality…. Fuel usage and resale value + how they look and the appeal they have Scania blows Volvo out the water. Fact
😂😂💯
@@l888enduro2 super important that they look the best when you are standing outside the dealership waiting on a Co-ordinator that's on back order
I work as a mechanic at a volvo brandservice workshop and almost every wrecker that delivers volvo trucks are scania😂
😂....glad it's back on the Rd....told ya in the airport....ad blue faults on the s580 are common 😢😢😢
Come on Stavross. Not like you to get down. You’ve been in the business long enough to take it in your stride. At least everyone chipped in and no service delays or money lost hopefully.
I have a Mack with 60,000 miles on it with the check engine light on continuously, the DPF sensor telling me it needs a parked regen but will not set itself up to do one. No one can clear the codes👎
The sister Mack both 6x2s with pusher axles threw a center bearing and dropped the drive shaft last Thursday, still at the dealers.
A brand new Volvo this morning threw an electrical fault code preventing it from starting. Had to disconnect the ground lead to reset the ecu and clear the fault. I only run three and all three have had issues this week. No dealers open and if they were there is a three plus days waiting time to have it looked at let alone fixed. The sensors seem to fail periodically. Give me a TD100F in a F88 any day of the week or even better a TD120F in a F12. Simple and reliable. Labor costs at my service vendor are $135 per hour. No R&M contracts here👎. Just another week in paradise😂🏴🇺🇸
I had the same problem with my 2013 R500 some years ago. It just died on a small country road... That and MANY other issues with Scania's made me switch to MAN. I'm now in my second MAN (2022 TGX) and have now done 100.000 km, without any problems 🤔
That's nice but to to be fair though, 100,000 isn't all that much for a truck yet, So i wouldn't cheer too soon.
I hope it goes well though. Ending up broken down is always a pain
Old r450 still be hammering away when the new s is clean done.
Very good looking 164 the tow driver parked u next to
Poor Stavros, at least you survived your ordeal. You just have to be grateful for the fact that you didn't have to deal with anybody trying to jack you or your load at gun point. So many people go through that kind of experience sometimes, you just have to count yourself very fortunate.
Yet...
@@alex31245 People can be so disgusting and cruel sometimes, hum...
most computer systems operate on such a low voltage 5v DC, then factor in all the vibration they have to put up with it's little wonder they can be a bit temperamental
The tow truck is dutch build at vdz systemen in buren
Well it is Finglas stay put Brother
Same happen to my r580 with only 94000km on it, and another r580 at the company.
Had the same on an old r480 just died
Forget the truck breakdown, can we talk about Stavros’ breakdown with this long hair?
So first of all, all things are possible through the power of Jesus Christ, so jot that down.
Nice one Stavros
Yes indeed that's very disappointing. Maybe it's time to move her on and get a new one
Yep, a VOLVO😂
That was pretty annoying. An occupational hazard. Still, nobody needed an ambulance - just the truck. 🙂
Exactly
Have you any photos or footage of Amira transport ?? They are beautiful trucks
It is Dublin Ireland very nice location
Right on middle buzy straight way
It is complet interior operating inside on truk or what things you miss on truk interior brother and how much cost price on Indian ruppes?
I drive a 2018 r450 that has had the same problem a new ecu and we have just had the sister truck to the one I drive has just had to have one as well not good only done 450000 km
Best one I had was on a Actros, no problems all day , up a bank, crankshaft snapped, no warning,no fluid leak heating up nothing just bang.
How do you judgehow much fuel to put 8n the replacement scania? Are you reimbursed at all?
Some things that are now far to technical and problems with a few euro's,, will you still keep the loyalty,,are your old ones better???? Didn't you have lots of miles on some of your older versions ☘️☘️
That’s prob with modern trucks, whilst easier to drive there too many things to go wrong, and 9 times out of 10 a sensor can throw the whole electrics out.
The tow truck is similar as Tamiya RC tow truck with yellow color
AHhhh nooooo a Scania getting a tow from a Volvo....That is a bad day 😂
Cheerrsss..
Ya think that stressed u out, ive swapped to 4 different trucks , swap gear over 4 times, cleaned the trucks an had to switch again, since may, both daf xf went to limp mode wont go over 20 kmh stuck in cork then dublin , used to it now 🚛
Mark Hoare's FH 500?👌
Very rare problem ecu failing completely. Really wonder what causes this.
I had the same on my r520,2021 with only 35000kms,seems to be an issue with them
do you have other videos of you doing your work? like to watch it. thanks
friendly greetings from Indonesia 🇮🇩
🎉🎉🎉
Stavros, Theresa only one V volvo.
any trucks over there with a clutch pedal? Getting rare for new ones here in Canada
Not Irish but a uk driver, manuals are rare on new trucks nowadays, I’ve been told they are special order only
Everything mechanical eventually gives us trouble buddy, all part of the package
so true
Stressful day 🙉
You think that with all the technology in vehicles it could be set up to give you a time/kilometres to shutdown, surely that's possible nowadays,
Most faults have a timer until lower engine power but I guess this was a big boi fault.
A lot to be said for the old gear stick
Do you have a multifunction printer in the truck? Can you give us more information about this?
I also have one to scan and print CMR and various documents as they're needed
@Mr_Stavros969 Can you please do an episode on this topic? Is there a voltage converter in the truck so that the printer can be connected to 230V?
Thankfully it’s nothing more serious.. still frustrating as hell when it happens
Hello guys ❤❤
I had the same thing in a DAF. (Save the jokes people haha)
The ECU went out and it shut down everything and I mean everything!
Luckily rolled her onto the hard shoulder. Modern technology is great haha
normal trucks have names longer than three letters😁
My boyfriend work at warehouse and he always complain about double wheels pallet truck that really hard to move around 😂 and when he heard about rubber wheels pallet truck is exist he really hope to never met one in his entire life 😂
It's 8:10pm and you still have the sun??!!
👊
Wait till the clutch goes at round 400k to 500k the release bearing shites itself
I had the power relays give up in my DAF this winter, causing all functions on the dashboard to fail, very exciting in -20°c.
Only thing that worked was the tachograph and some work lights whose switches were next to the tacho.
Beware of r450 my dad and me were on a roundabout and drive shaft fell out
Hello there
Old trucks with less senscers that fully mechanical are way better and more reliable than the new computerized trucks
With technology these days wouldn't you think dealers could stock virgin ECUs and simply program from
vehicle spec held by Scania?
I work for IVECO Just imagine how they feel with the S Way
What's your opinion on Iveco objectively? The new S-Way looks dope and reminds on Scania a little bit and the HI-Way is a good looking truck all around. I know many people hate Ivecos but I never understoold the reasoning behind it. Is it really that bad? I am seeing HI-Ways on the road every single day and they look amazing, especially plain white with chrome trimms.
Stavros Time to go Volvo
How are you
Damn, that truck is limited to 89 kmh which is 55 mph. I’m not from Europe/UK so that seems slow.
Some companies set their limiters as low as 50mph.
We don't have many long straight stretches of motorway in the UK so I wouldnt feel safe going any faster than 60mph in a truck but thats just me.
@@thechongwolla oh okay, I see.
They have to be limited in the EU, I'm not too familiar with the rules in the UK. But the speed limit for trucks is 80km/h (around 50mp/h) on the highways here in the Netherlands, Most do around 85-ish.
Some companies have them limited anywhere between 80 and 85. 90 is the absolute max. In a lot of cases, With how crowded it is and all,
There isn't really a need or use to go faster anyway.
Mark Hoare for the win
Hii bro
Kinda reminds me of my grandpa's Subaru Forester, It keeps on having malfunctions lol
These electronics are a disaster. Way too sensitive, I’ve got a brand new western star that’s never been out of the shop since new four months ago, just found out it’s the bunk inverter that’s messing with the cpc(ecu) that’s causing all the problems!
Good job its not a smart motorway
They are not so smart
Best get a classic truck no more problems
12:15 similar thing with our Scanias, the old 2015 P410 has way colder air con than my 2022 420P. 🤔
Also, similar ecu issue happened to two Scanias in my previous job, one truck being from 2017 and the other from 2018. No idea what caused the malfunction but both trucks lost all of their electrics and had to be towed to the service to get their ecu's replaced. 🤷🏻♂️
😂 Get rid of it Stavros that trucks jinxed!!! Treat yourself to a nice Volvo
there was probably nothing wrong with nox sensor it ECU going bad
"Scania king of the road"😂
Getting towed by it's rival😅
Scania ? 😭😭😭😭😭
It’s not the end of the world yet ?
Imagine how bad it feels for Scania driver to get towed by Volvo :D
You need a volvo
What caused the s580 to brake down stav