The Best Rogue, and Other Roguelikes for Amiga
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- čas přidán 10. 06. 2024
- Rogue for Amiga is hands down the best version of Rogue made for home computers. I walk through the history of Rogue and the original core ports made in the 1980s. I also show some of the original core "roguelikes" as they were made on Amiga in the 80s and early 90s and show the main differences. ARTICLE VERSION: www.amigalove.com/viewtopic.p...
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Table of Contents
00:00 - 00:25 Intro Titles
00:26 - 02:03 Overview
02:04 - 03:45 Roguelike Defined
03:46 - 05:48 A Brief History
05:49 - 07:57 Macintosh and Atari ST Ports
07:58 - 10:19 Amiga Port
10:20 - 14:10 Hack, Hacklite and Nethack
14:11 - 15:10 Larn
15:11 - 17:33 Angband and Moria
17:34 - 23:34 Conclusion
Acknowledgements
● Intro/Outro music (and more) by the ULTRA bad ass: Axion, with permission [Canada].
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● Additional Soundtrack music permission by the RIGHTEOUSLY awesome Droid Bishop, with permission [Los Angeles, CA]
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● Thanks to David L. Craddock for the use of the photo by Glenn Wichman of Glenn and Michael Toy. Also many thanks to David for all his work in the fantastic book, "Dungeon Hacks." I highly recommend both the paperback and audiobook.
Find more from David Craddock: davidlcraddock.com/ - Věda a technologie
Epyx brought so many great games for
the Commodore 64 and Amiga 😺👍🕹️.
I may not have ROGUE for my Amiga 500,
but i did have TEMPLE OF APSHAI for
my Commodore 64 as a tape version.
I ❤ Commodore 64 😺👍🕹️
I ❤ Amiga 😺👍🕹️.
COMMODORE 64 FOREVER 😺👍🕹️!
Press play on tape 😺👍🕹️.
AMIGA FOREVER 😺👍🕹️!
Insert disk 😺👍🕹️.
Temple of Apshai is a total classic. Thanks for watching, @ArttuTheCat
As usual, another well executed and planned video content! Really pleasing to watch from start to ending, no pause! Cheers, M
Rogue (and specifically the Amiga version) will forever be in my top ten games list.
100% agree.
That nethack disk spent many hours in my Amiga for sure.
Amazing video as usual. I could watch you cover games for hours!
My goodness - thank you. You've made my day (and my week)! I'm so glad you enjoyed it.
Well leave it to AmigaLove to feed my youtube addiction. I'll be watching this, I estimate 26 times (to match the Rogue dungeon levels). Truly appreciate your efforts, research, time and care in your videos.
So Interesting! I had not idea about that Atari ST version. It sure does look great. I do agree though the Amiga seems to be the best balance. I am having a gaming day on black Friday and I think an Amiga will be setup running Rogue to entice everyone who attends! Long story but we will also have a Tandy 1000HX setup. I wish I had a version on hand to run on that as well for kicks!
That sounds like amazing good fun! You can actually find the Tandy version of Rogue much more often than any other - at least in my experience. It can still get pretty spendy, though, so watch out! I think the version on amigalove.com is actually the cracked version for Amiga, so you should be OK there. WARNING: In order to play, remember to disable fastram in your system settings or the screen will load up black. Thanks for your comments, Mike. You are the best! (I hope you looked in the Description of the video for an WALLDOG easter egg in there.) =)
@@AmigaLove Oh I didnt see the Easter egg Eric thanks! I really like this video. i can tell you took some time on it. Yes, gaming day is like a tradition usually either Friday or Saturday after Thanksgiving. Few friends come over. I change it up but its usually NES on projector, the Tandy (story behind that) and other. Last time I had a Atari 2600 with starpath supercharger (you familiar with that one?). This year I am thinking Mac LCII will come out with Quarterstaff, Atari and NES as usual... Looking forward to the work brain release...
@@michaelwallen738 "starpath supercharger" I don't think I've ever heard of that. Will have to look it up. My Atari 2600+ should be arriving any day now.. looking forward to firing that up on HDMI and checking out some 7800 games I have but have never played before. Would be sweet if the thing arrived over the holiday break! 🤞Oh! I almost forgot. David D helped me get Rogue running on the Parceiro on the hard drive via Launcher. It's *almost* perfect. It does everything it's supposed to do, except it doesn't pull the date down like it should. (So, I still play it on original disks) but it's close!
Thank you! This is a great video. Loved it.
Glad you enjoyed it. Thank you so much.
Loved this video, as it brought to things together that I love. Amiga gaming and roguelikes. I grew up with an Amiga 500+, but wasn‘t playing or knowing any roguelikes back in day. Currently (at the age of 42) I‘m a mobile-only gamer, since this fits best into my life. And traditional roguelikes are by far my favorite games. And switching between Nethack (the complexity of situations and options is absolutely mindblowing to this day), Moria (basically all I want from an RPG, but yes, crazy long and grindy) and Rogue, I find myself playing Rogue (as the fantastic Rogue Touch on iOS) the most. And it‘s kind of crazy that to me those games are still peak video gaming. Thanks again for this wonderful video.
Thanks for you comment, @silentrocco. Have you ever tried out Larn? That's probably my 2nd favorite behind Rogue. There are even very good versions you can play in the browser (honestly, slightly enhanced over the original Amiga version). There's even a small FB Group that still chats about it, discusses tactics, etc.
I was looking around to find out which version of Rogue to play, and wow, this video is so wonderful.
Thank you so much for saying so - I'm glad you enjoyed it. This topic has been an obsession of mine for a while. Beware - it's addicting! =) Happy New Year
Beautiful video essay! I got back into Rogue after playing Shattered Pixel Dungeon
My favorite period roguelike was Omega, from 1987. It had so many varied areas, an overworld, and super complex systems that rival Nethack. A lot of the ideas from Omega would later be explored in ADoM in 1994, but I still like the ideas from Omega that remain unique to this day.
THAT. My "roguelike" love did start back in the Amiga days with Moria, but Omega was the pivotal shift from "not just a dungeon dive". Then obviously ADOM that i played to no end. And still do. Not so much in love with the latest changes though, rather play the old builds that are closer to the (ancient) ADOM Guidebook.
100% Zustimmung!
Great video as usual. Too bad these kind of games were completely unknown to a lot of people in that times... I would have loved it in that days!
I think for a lot of folks they couldn't wrap their heads around the anemic graphics. It was all about pushing the machine to its theoretical limits (and whether the game was actually fun or not didn't matter as much - looking at you, Shadow of the Beast!) ;)
The only Roguelike I played on the Amiga was Moria, although I never put much time into it. I love Rogue and have probably played 200 times and only made it as far as level 18. I recommend the windows ports of Retro Rogue Collection by Mike Kaminski and Classic Rogue by Donnie Russell.
Thanks for the recommendation. I don't have any Windows machines but I'll still look those games up to see what they're all about. Cheers
Yes a round NetHack is fun, i like it a lot \o/
fun stuff, man. rock on, bro!
We wouldn't be here without your guiding light, big bro.
@@AmigaLove "It is pitch black. You are likely to be eaten by a Grue."
@@MindFeather OK lamp I meant GET LAMP! ;)
@@MindFeatherexamine grue... Gesundheit! 😁
I never played Rogue, my best favorite maze dungeon crawler (not rogue-type, and much later gane) was Black Crypt (still a 100% Amiga exclusive), so i never experienced this rogue type of games in the Amiga days, but i enjoy your videos very much, love your love for the Amiga (and C=) and the passion u put in your videos, it's like a great TV Amiga show, keep up the great work!
Thank you, Giuseppe. I really appreciate that. And yes - Black Crypt is GREAT. I finished that game a few years ago, and was in total awe of the graphics and experience. IIRC there was was level that was designed like a giant skull which was very cool. I should replay that game again. It's been long enough it'll feel new (and HARD) again.
Usually I get stuck at the level with underwater parts,, one day i will finish it too :) still, me too, I start to play it again from time to time during the years, super great game!
@@giuseppe74921 Ah yes, that is challenging. And the water effect is very cool. I went back and looked, and I finished it in 2016. I wrote a review about it then and at the very end inserted some "mild spoilers" on things to do or not do that may help. But don't read it if you want to sort things out entirely on your own! www.amigalove.com/games.php?game_id=21
Nice, I will read just for tips and for interest about the game, thanks!
Amazing video
Thanks, I'm glad you enjoyed it. It was a lot of fun to produce as it was a multi-year labor of love obsession.
14:00 - oh yeah, and my favorite line was "who the...cares?" Lol. Didn't think you had that in you for a video
Enjoyed the look through the various versions as well as the "likes". Agreed the Amiga does it better, though that's rarely a surprise. While I know the Rouge fans dismiss it, I've always felt Sword of Fargoal deserves mention with the likes. Both Epyx, both originally released in 1982 I believe, not sure which was first but if Fargoal was then it deserves even more respect. It's a little simpler, no character creation, but the random mazes, going deeper down to find a treasure that you then must return, do wish that one was spoken of more with the Rouge fans. Course, no Amiga version there, but it's probably the best Vic20 game ever, and a solid 64 game as well.
I have Fargoal for C64 - an old musty and mildewy boxed disk-version that still works. It's a very cool game, for sure. And there's a whole other set I've never fully got straight in my head that is in the same ballpark but isn't procedurally generated (iirc). The Apshai games - which Epyx did bring over as the trilogy. They're super hard but interesting in their own way.
Re-reading your comment, Rogue was first. But Epyx Fargoal came before Epyx Rogue. I see what you mean there.
I am a Rogue addict. 😎😎
Same! Have you ever retrieved the amulet? It takes a lot of luck (of course) but there are some objects that can massively help if you find them. One in particular for me, actually... But! I've still only ever won once. Got close a 2nd time.
@@AmigaLove I have beaten the game twice on the Unix system. And came real close on the Amiga Rogue version but died multiple times on the final level.
@@RonHelton very very cool!
Wait a minute... no mentioning of ADOM (Ancient Domain of Mystery)? Okay, this roguelike came a bit later, but it was/is the best one on the Amiga.
ADOM was too late for the timeframe I'm focused on. By being released in '94 - the same year C= went bankrupt - I was (and still am) much more interested in the era when Commodore and the Amiga were mighty. But I've read about the game in-depth. I'll give 3.3.3 (6.1) a spin some day on my A3K running RTG. But, like I said in the video: this isn't an exhaustive overview of every single roguelike ever made. And for a 1994 game it just didn't make the cut. For that matter I also didn't cover Omega, which I'm sure someone was hoping would get a mention, too.
I rather like Garrison and Gaunlet kind a games...
Super quality, top production! I really enjoyed this one, thank you!
Thank you! I'm so glad you enjoyed it. It was a total labor of love on my part. Thanks for watching.