One thing I loved about Conquest that I have no hit in any other cardgame I've tried, is that it had a maximum game length. Your decision making could take a long time but after 7 round there are no more planets and its done. That helped me so much when I was learning and I knew I was making poor tactical decision. Because I knew the game couldn't just endlessly go on and on and on I would at least try new decisions and ideas, see what they did, get to the end and be ready to play again, learning from my mistake. A lot of other games I've tried don't have that and so I get stuck in long tedious games when I don't know enough to make consistently good decisions.
Loved this episode! Not only discovering this great system (which was copied for the 2019 "Air, Land and Sea" board game?).. but the discussion about lost Game Systems, legality and reuse. Game Design is my hobby, and seeing the systems in LotR TCG be lost to time hurts my soul. If you guys are ever about designing a game, I'm in full-time and for free. No joke!!
Yo how did I not know about this?! (the answer is being too entrenched into other TCGs at the time to notice lol) Thanks for the video/stream! I may have just snatched up a Conquest LCG lot from eBay...
Can't believe I missed this stream when it happened and up until now. I love this game. Mechanically its amazing. Theme is right on, and as a player of thr mini game, yes, 40k is miaserable sometimes but not necessarily in a bad way just like a "ya, I'm screwed but lets chuck some dice" way. Such a great game!! This one will get rewatched!! Was only saddened to not see the Orks played; by far my favorite!! Thanks TC, you all rock!!
Hey TC, I think doing a stream where you go through hypothetically creating a card game (Reskinning this game was brought up a couple times in the stream) would be a lot of fun to do with Chat tossing ideas around. Of course it would be all over the place but fun to toss ideas around.
Maybe this gets mentioned later on but there are a couple of cycles and big box expansions that were made by fans called Team Apoka. They added some new mechanics like faith with the Adepta Sororitas. There are also a couple new sets of planets. I found these cards added some fun, new options. There are some recorded games from tournaments they held here on CZcams. apoka.mozello.com/ Deck builder still up here with the new cards: www.traxissector.com
Man I miss Conquest SO MUCH! It and A:NR the greatest card games ever developed imo. Also, I have to respectfully disagree as far as faction count is concerned. That is one of my favorite elements. Many factions allows for so much more diversity, nuance and possibilities in the design space and had the potential to keep the game so fresh. However, I do understand the argument concerning lack of content for those that really wish to focus on specific faction. I think Steven has it right here, big box expansions every 4 or 6 months would have been the way to go. With factions and possibilities in builds and greater diversity in the meta, this wouldn't have been an unrealistic wait period for new content. Ahh, what could have been.
Just digging through my old collection, I think an easy way to fix some consistency is go from 50 card decks to 30. Gives you almost the same ratio of signature cards to filler as Marvel Champions.
Is this from him? XD - Seriously, I love the design for this game. It really feels like an all out battle, even getting card draw and resources is like literally battling it out right from the start. I'm a big fan of multiple ways to win, conquering planets really fits with the theme. Having a personal warlord is also very immersive. So sad that I was not able to get into the game before it got cancelled. Went back and forth on ordering the game after it got canned. On the good side tho, The game is now basically a complete set since no more new cards will be printed. I wanted to try the new factions, the "insectoid" ones in particular, but I feel like they didn't get enough packs that they would have, a lot of the cards might not work so well since the game never got into its real stride, a lot of the cards that could have completed certain playstyles may never be known. Another side note is that there is still a community I believe working on "custom cards" - dedicated fans, well I'm not so sure if its still on going, but I believe there were a few fan-made "expansion" to complete the sets never printed... oh well, such an amazing game - so much potential...
My god Steven. Your comment at 2:38. Amen. I feel the exact same way about combo players and the combo strategy. Nothing is less fun than watching my opponent stall out for some asinine OTK crap. Especially if it's a game or combo you dont see coming. There are so many times its like, "Alright that was cute, now I know how it works and there is an easy hard counter if I knew that's how it worked in the first place." Nothing like watching that Rube Goldberg machine in action...90 mins later of course!
Thanks for posting this playthrough. Didn't watch the original stream, but circled back to it today, and I agree that this would be a fantastic system for Star Wars. I am already working on a homebrew version, in fact! Anyone else already tried making a Star Wars version of the Conquest system?
If you like starting with your Warlord in play you could check out the old Babylon 5 CCG, where not only did you start with your faction leader in play but you got to pick your whole starting hand. B5 was a fun game but it was looong and you had to play it multiplayer, preferably four or five handed, and it had some wonkiness to it that made it a bit unfun if you didn't go for playing to the theme. But if you did play to the theme? Awesome, so much fun. They also had chase cards signed by the actors, which meant that the Psi Corps expansion sold out partly because Star Trek fans wanted to get the card signed by Walter Koenig aka TOS Chekov (or so I heard at the time).
I would have loved to see "first player to pass on the deploy phase gains 1 resource". A lot of time was spent delaying deployment in order to respond to your opponent, which was an advantage for some playstyles and warlords. A little balance to that would have been great.
Mam, I always though I needed the theme, but watching you guys play is making me miss it so hard... I'd look into an L5R: Conquest or Star Wars: Conquest, but a Dune: Conquest fighting over strongholds and areas of Arrakis? I'd be so in! I thought having a unique in hand in Conquest was never as useful as in GoT or L5R. Maybe if you could discard a matching unique in the Deploy phase to fully heal a damaged copy of it in play or something?
Saw your vid after digging out my sets at home. Might have to bring this to the table again when I don’t have enough players for a bigger match of Forbidden Stars. Wish I had that necron expansion though :) they are my favourite army.
YES! This was my favourite 2 player game and I just started looking into solo play for this game on TTS this last week. Glad you played through and it jogged my memory on how the gameplay worked. The system was fantastic and I thought myself about how, perhaps, heroes of might and magic could be brought to the table as a card game using this system. Love the banter at the start and the discussion about what happened to the game. So sad! I thought it was their best LCG system (but also agree certain cards needed fixing). Wishing something co-op could use this in the future. Please not Game of Thrones or Star Wars though, there are enough of these hehe!
Folks at home in quarantine, can play this on Tabletop Simulator: @t . Find more players at Discord: @t There is a fan group that have made many new cards and Warlords: @t Build decks and import them into the TTS addon at Traxis Sector: @t
Finally got to the end! I think with more curated decks, designed to sort of sit in the middle of the curve, making it like a boardgame, you guys would have had a lot more fun in the games. That's what I've done with my old cards. Also, you've convinced me. It wasn't the theme that kept me hooked on this game, though I loved that. I'd play pretty much any reskin of this!
Regarding game mechanics copyright, I believe the mechanics of the card game Bang! were copied exactly, down to the effects of individual cards, and rethemed from Wild West shootouts to Samurai battles. The same thing has happened a lot with roleplaying games, I think, though some of that is everyone using the WotC OGL to create new (or recreate old) versions of D&D.
Loved this game! Was super active in our local tournament scene for this. So super sad to see it go :( I'm thinking of maintaining a few casual decks with the current pool. Does anybody have any good casual list for all the warlords?
Thank you so much for this video it brought back great memories of when I used to play the game. Is there any chance I can get the deck lists of all the decks your friend lended you? I want to play again but need a resource for good pre-built decks already since I will be playing with less experienced opponents and want to take the deck building part out of the game in a way.
Sadly don't have those lists anymore! Might be able to get a read of all the cards played during the games to piece it together. Imagine it's very close to any old competitive lists that might still be lurking on the internet.
I think more distinction should be made in gaming between complexity and complication. Complexity is interesting and overall, a good thing. Complication, not so much. Conquest has nice complexity, but is not complicated or convoluted.
Zach mentioned Star Trek Attack Wing as though it was similar to X-Wing, so I went and checked it out because I'd never heard of it. Wow. It's JUST X-Wing with the other IP and worse production values. It's like if somebody other than Decipher had made the Wars CCG WHILE the Star Wars CCG was still going. That's crazy. "The Enterprise uses PRESS The Limit for an extra action and then attacks with its Twin PHASER Turret."
I'm curious what Brad Andres is doing at his new company -Mondo- Being a fan of the 40k universe, I think he did a great job creating card content with that rich universe... I'm wondering, because like you guys I would like to see this game reborn, and Mondo appears to be making content for Marvel/Disney... They look like they don't do many games yet, so my guess is he went there for the IPs.
Just got to the bit where Stephen asks if I've found something that scratches this itch. No. Nowhere. Not at all. No community that has been as good either. The fan expansions turned into a debacle quickly, which really soured me on it all too.
Folks at home in quarantine, can play this on Tabletop Simulator: @t Find more players at Discord: @t There is a fan group that have made many new cards and Warlords: @t Build decks and import them into the TTS addon at Traxis Sector: @t
Another 40k card game that *kind of* scratches the itch is Combat Cards. It's far more simplified than Conquest, but the game is free on Steam and mobile, so it's worth a try!
I honestly feel like the conquest system would work with a political themed game, perhaps a fictionalized/fantasy version of 18th century American or British politics.
It's a shame you had that combo deck. If you knew what the pieces were, it becomes a non interactive way to assassinate the warlords with absolutely no defence. Awful for the other player and not a great thing to watch either. Your drone that dropped health allows you to deploy your small cheap units by the Eldar unit, they instantly die, then you can ping the warlord . It was terrible. Sorry for spamming this video, I'm watching in chunks and loving every second.
One thing I loved about Conquest that I have no hit in any other cardgame I've tried, is that it had a maximum game length. Your decision making could take a long time but after 7 round there are no more planets and its done. That helped me so much when I was learning and I knew I was making poor tactical decision. Because I knew the game couldn't just endlessly go on and on and on I would at least try new decisions and ideas, see what they did, get to the end and be ready to play again, learning from my mistake.
A lot of other games I've tried don't have that and so I get stuck in long tedious games when I don't know enough to make consistently good decisions.
My favourite LCG, please bring in back in any form! Same mechanics, any setting, I'll buy everything!
Loved this episode! Not only discovering this great system (which was copied for the 2019 "Air, Land and Sea" board game?).. but the discussion about lost Game Systems, legality and reuse. Game Design is my hobby, and seeing the systems in LotR TCG be lost to time hurts my soul. If you guys are ever about designing a game, I'm in full-time and for free. No joke!!
When Zach and Steven discuss what flavour of ice cream Bladerunner is you know you have reached peak content.
Yo how did I not know about this?! (the answer is being too entrenched into other TCGs at the time to notice lol) Thanks for the video/stream! I may have just snatched up a Conquest LCG lot from eBay...
This system with Star Wars or dune would be fantastic !!!
Can't believe I missed this stream when it happened and up until now. I love this game. Mechanically its amazing. Theme is right on, and as a player of thr mini game, yes, 40k is miaserable sometimes but not necessarily in a bad way just like a "ya, I'm screwed but lets chuck some dice" way. Such a great game!!
This one will get rewatched!!
Was only saddened to not see the Orks played; by far my favorite!!
Thanks TC, you all rock!!
Thank you Joe, we appreciate you being such a pillar of the community.
Hey TC, I think doing a stream where you go through hypothetically creating a card game (Reskinning this game was brought up a couple times in the stream) would be a lot of fun to do with Chat tossing ideas around. Of course it would be all over the place but fun to toss ideas around.
Maybe this gets mentioned later on but there are a couple of cycles and big box expansions that were made by fans called Team Apoka. They added some new mechanics like faith with the Adepta Sororitas. There are also a couple new sets of planets. I found these cards added some fun, new options. There are some recorded games from tournaments they held here on CZcams. apoka.mozello.com/ Deck builder still up here with the new cards: www.traxissector.com
Man I miss Conquest SO MUCH! It and A:NR the greatest card games ever developed imo. Also, I have to respectfully disagree as far as faction count is concerned. That is one of my favorite elements. Many factions allows for so much more diversity, nuance and possibilities in the design space and had the potential to keep the game so fresh. However, I do understand the argument concerning lack of content for those that really wish to focus on specific faction. I think Steven has it right here, big box expansions every 4 or 6 months would have been the way to go. With factions and possibilities in builds and greater diversity in the meta, this wouldn't have been an unrealistic wait period for new content. Ahh, what could have been.
Bring back the Star Wars LCG next Thursday! Let's see if holds up.
Just digging through my old collection, I think an easy way to fix some consistency is go from 50 card decks to 30. Gives you almost the same ratio of signature cards to filler as Marvel Champions.
Is this from him? XD - Seriously, I love the design for this game. It really feels like an all out battle, even getting card draw and resources is like literally battling it out right from the start. I'm a big fan of multiple ways to win, conquering planets really fits with the theme. Having a personal warlord is also very immersive. So sad that I was not able to get into the game before it got cancelled. Went back and forth on ordering the game after it got canned. On the good side tho, The game is now basically a complete set since no more new cards will be printed. I wanted to try the new factions, the "insectoid" ones in particular, but I feel like they didn't get enough packs that they would have, a lot of the cards might not work so well since the game never got into its real stride, a lot of the cards that could have completed certain playstyles may never be known. Another side note is that there is still a community I believe working on "custom cards" - dedicated fans, well I'm not so sure if its still on going, but I believe there were a few fan-made "expansion" to complete the sets never printed... oh well, such an amazing game - so much potential...
I've never played Warhammer Conquest, but I've played Warhammer Invasion and love it.
My god Steven. Your comment at 2:38. Amen. I feel the exact same way about combo players and the combo strategy. Nothing is less fun than watching my opponent stall out for some asinine OTK crap. Especially if it's a game or combo you dont see coming. There are so many times its like, "Alright that was cute, now I know how it works and there is an easy hard counter if I knew that's how it worked in the first place."
Nothing like watching that Rube Goldberg machine in action...90 mins later of course!
Haha, Steven feels very strongly about that one.
Thanks for looking back at this great game!
Thanks for posting this playthrough. Didn't watch the original stream, but circled back to it today, and I agree that this would be a fantastic system for Star Wars. I am already working on a homebrew version, in fact! Anyone else already tried making a Star Wars version of the Conquest system?
This reminds me of the Warhammer 40k CCG. I miss that game.
Too bad those cards are so hard to track down now.
I miss this game so much. It's loads of fun.
If you like starting with your Warlord in play you could check out the old Babylon 5 CCG, where not only did you start with your faction leader in play but you got to pick your whole starting hand.
B5 was a fun game but it was looong and you had to play it multiplayer, preferably four or five handed, and it had some wonkiness to it that made it a bit unfun if you didn't go for playing to the theme. But if you did play to the theme? Awesome, so much fun.
They also had chase cards signed by the actors, which meant that the Psi Corps expansion sold out partly because Star Trek fans wanted to get the card signed by Walter Koenig aka TOS Chekov (or so I heard at the time).
I’m bummed i missed today’s stream live. Watching it now while i wash the dishes.
Love it!
I would have loved to see "first player to pass on the deploy phase gains 1 resource". A lot of time was spent delaying deployment in order to respond to your opponent, which was an advantage for some playstyles and warlords. A little balance to that would have been great.
Mam, I always though I needed the theme, but watching you guys play is making me miss it so hard...
I'd look into an L5R: Conquest or Star Wars: Conquest, but a Dune: Conquest fighting over strongholds and areas of Arrakis? I'd be so in!
I thought having a unique in hand in Conquest was never as useful as in GoT or L5R. Maybe if you could discard a matching unique in the Deploy phase to fully heal a damaged copy of it in play or something?
i loved the look of this game...i bought it just for that...so sad it was killed off.
Warlord is a unit!
Another great stream guys. I don't know what card collections you have access to but I would love to see WarCry or UFS on these Thursday streams.
Wow, I remember that Cardgame db post, with 2 log ins. Was a wild thread.
Another great game. I need to get this before prize go to high. Maybe you do Warhammer Invasion someday?
Saw your vid after digging out my sets at home. Might have to bring this to the table again when I don’t have enough players for a bigger match of Forbidden Stars. Wish I had that necron expansion though :) they are my favourite army.
YES! This was my favourite 2 player game and I just started looking into solo play for this game on TTS this last week. Glad you played through and it jogged my memory on how the gameplay worked. The system was fantastic and I thought myself about how, perhaps, heroes of might and magic could be brought to the table as a card game using this system. Love the banter at the start and the discussion about what happened to the game. So sad! I thought it was their best LCG system (but also agree certain cards needed fixing). Wishing something co-op could use this in the future. Please not Game of Thrones or Star Wars though, there are enough of these hehe!
Folks at home in quarantine, can play this on Tabletop
Simulator: @t .
Find more players at Discord: @t
There is a fan group that have made many new cards and Warlords:
@t
Build decks and import them into the TTS addon at Traxis
Sector: @t
This is him
Finally got to the end!
I think with more curated decks, designed to sort of sit in the middle of the curve, making it like a boardgame, you guys would have had a lot more fun in the games. That's what I've done with my old cards.
Also, you've convinced me. It wasn't the theme that kept me hooked on this game, though I loved that. I'd play pretty much any reskin of this!
I played Ryan in the last round of the 2016 Gencon. I was the guy with the "This is from him" tanktop. =P
Regarding game mechanics copyright, I believe the mechanics of the card game Bang! were copied exactly, down to the effects of individual cards, and rethemed from Wild West shootouts to Samurai battles.
The same thing has happened a lot with roleplaying games, I think, though some of that is everyone using the WotC OGL to create new (or recreate old) versions of D&D.
My favourite lcg. Cato is Love.
More conquest in future TT!
Loved this game! Was super active in our local tournament scene for this. So super sad to see it go :(
I'm thinking of maintaining a few casual decks with the current pool. Does anybody have any good casual list for all the warlords?
I just watched the tutorial. Seems interesting. I'm sure gameplay would help to better understand it
Thank you so much for this video it brought back great memories of when I used to play the game. Is there any chance I can get the deck lists of all the decks your friend lended you? I want to play again but need a resource for good pre-built decks already since I will be playing with less experienced opponents and want to take the deck building part out of the game in a way.
Sadly don't have those lists anymore! Might be able to get a read of all the cards played during the games to piece it together. Imagine it's very close to any old competitive lists that might still be lurking on the internet.
I think more distinction should be made in gaming between complexity and complication. Complexity is interesting and overall, a good thing. Complication, not so much. Conquest has nice complexity, but is not complicated or convoluted.
That's a very good distinction!
Best card game ever made. such a tragedy, nothing comes close.
Zach mentioned Star Trek Attack Wing as though it was similar to X-Wing, so I went and checked it out because I'd never heard of it. Wow. It's JUST X-Wing with the other IP and worse production values. It's like if somebody other than Decipher had made the Wars CCG WHILE the Star Wars CCG was still going. That's crazy.
"The Enterprise uses PRESS The Limit for an extra action and then attacks with its Twin PHASER Turret."
Yeah they licensed the system directly!
I'm curious what Brad Andres is doing at his new company -Mondo- Being a fan of the 40k universe, I think he did a great job creating card content with that rich universe... I'm wondering, because like you guys I would like to see this game reborn, and Mondo appears to be making content for Marvel/Disney... They look like they don't do many games yet, so my guess is he went there for the IPs.
I had successfully forgotten Drop Pod Assault, you monsters :P
Where can we get these xxl planète cards ?
Just got to the bit where Stephen asks if I've found something that scratches this itch.
No. Nowhere. Not at all. No community that has been as good either.
The fan expansions turned into a debacle quickly, which really soured me on it all too.
Folks at home in quarantine, can play this on Tabletop Simulator: @t
Find more players at Discord: @t
There is a fan group that have made many new cards and Warlords: @t
Build decks and import them into the TTS addon at Traxis Sector: @t
Please more Conquest
So if FF own the Android IP and the conquest game system, do you think they could just marry them 2 together and get a halfway decent game?
It would be at least half-way decent!
Another 40k card game that *kind of* scratches the itch is Combat Cards. It's far more simplified than Conquest, but the game is free on Steam and mobile, so it's worth a try!
How many different expansions got released for the game?
Three cycles, two deluxes.
I honestly feel like the conquest system would work with a political themed game, perhaps a fictionalized/fantasy version of 18th century American or British politics.
It's a shame you had that combo deck. If you knew what the pieces were, it becomes a non interactive way to assassinate the warlords with absolutely no defence. Awful for the other player and not a great thing to watch either.
Your drone that dropped health allows you to deploy your small cheap units by the Eldar unit, they instantly die, then you can ping the warlord . It was terrible.
Sorry for spamming this video, I'm watching in chunks and loving every second.
Moo
sometimes you have to learn to accept a no, and yes 40k is a miserable and dark universe.