Comparing HBA IT mode SAS controllers | 2020 Edition
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- This video is a follow up to my previous video "Comparing HBA IT mode SAS controllers" from 2018. Since then, my store has greatly expanded the selection of HBA IT mode SAS controllers. So, in this new 2020 Edition, I'll be covering a much larger variety of IT mode HBA SAS controllers, spanning 5 different generations. Additionally, I'll go more in-depth regarding each card.
For convenience, if you want to skip to certain sections, here's the index:
0:00 - Opening introduction
2:48 - LSI SAS1068E (SAS-1, Dell SAS6i/R for R410)
11:11 - LSI SAS2008, SAS2004, SAS2116 (1st generation SAS-2)
35:26 - LSI SAS2308 (2nd generation SAS-2)
46:55 - LSI SAS3008 (SAS-3)
1:00:46 - LSI SAS3408 (SAS-3 Tri-Mode with NVMe support)
1:03:36 - Final wrap-up
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Anytime anyone asks about HBAs i direct them to this channel and ebay store.
Thank you for your support 🙏
I don't like eBay.
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Wow! Those are some strong words! Lol
Thanks for watching! Please share. :-)
What? You could *NOT* have started *WITH* his help? That's harsh 😆
@@cgarzs nice catch, corrected without
I could... but I made a lot of mistake ^_^"
It just makes it clear about HBA and what to choose/purchase ! So know, I can start thinking if I need one and which one for further improvements of my home server :-D
I've just discovered your channel, and Iwanted to bookmark your ebay store... it appears I already did it before... ;-) I know why now.
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Thank you! Glad you got something out of it!
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My pleasure!
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Glad this helped! :-)
A year later, I still refer back to this video and recommend it to others. Nicely, done video
Thank you! So happy to hear it has been useful! :-)
Thanks so much for doing these videos. Great info for those like me starting to work with these controllers.
Glad this helped! Thanks for watching!
Just found this channel after I bought an LSI 9207-4i4e from your store!
Got it to replace my 9207-8i in my Unraid server running on an HPE Proliant DL185 G5.
I've had plans to expand its capacity with possibly a Powervault or another DAS/JBOD enclosure, but didn't have enough free PCIe slots to do it, very few HBAs seem to support that internal + external configuration, but in this case, that 9207-4i4e is a lifesaver!
Thanks for being a great resource for us home lab guys!
Thanks for supporting me through my store!
Thank you for yet another very helpful video!! Even if one knows most or all of this, it is great to have everything of importance in one place for reference.
Glad it was helpful!
Thank you so much for this incredibly thorough video! This should be all over the forums! Thanks again!
Glad it was helpful!
I love this video! I realized I apparently didn't comment on it earlier, so better late than never. I've have gone back several times and watched this video--as I do almost all of yours. This one has helped me a lot when looking into SAS3 controllers for SSDs. I have told/given this video to a LOT of friends looking to get into home servers/ws with SATA or SAS RAID or JBOD for TrueNAS/Scale. They have commented how great your presentation style is, so I wanted to 2nd that. Since a lot of them watch on Roku (etc.) devices, they cannot comment. Keep up the great work! This form of video is great for me to catch up on my knowledge or refresh.
really happy to hear this one was helpful to you! thank you for sharing it and watching it! :-)
This is like a master class on HBA’s.
Thanks for doing this video and all your attention to detail. It helped me understand so much more about SAS cards and see where the I picked a few years ago fit into the lineup.
You’re my hero 🦸♂️
Thanks! And thank you for your orders and support!
I have been snooping around your channel for some time. Thank you for all the information on HBAs, cables, flashing, centOS, etc... Also, saw you on forums... Just wanted you to know you are very kind and your youtube channel is awesome. Audio is quite good and your presenting skills are good enough if you ask me. I am far from USA, so your ebay store is not a solution for me, but I will recommend you to the good folks in the North America on forums/ social networks. Keep up the good work!
Thanks for your kind words! What's your handle on the forums?
I watched this and other video explaining about cable. I had so many questions until I found this channel. I instantly brought a bstock hba sas card on his eBay. Thank you, I love you.
Glad my videos helped! And thank you for showing your support by shopping at my store! :-)
Just bought my first ever HBA card from you after watching this video. THANK YOU for being so awesome with this video and how you explain it on ebay as well.
Thank you! Your support of the Art of Server is very much appreciated!
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Thanks for supporting my store! Glad this video was helpful! :-)
I liked it even before completely viewing the video. Thanks for the awesome video...👍😊
you humble me! :-) thanks for watching... (if you watched it)
Wow. An amazing video. Keep up the good work.
Thank you very much!
This was a really helpful video. Your ebay store was about $20 or so more expensive, but it's worth it imo to support your work and these great videos!
Thank you so much! I'm glad this vid was helpful! And I appreciate everyone who shows their support by shopping at my store!
Thank you so much for doing this video
You are so welcome! I hope it was helpful! :-)
Would be great to see a 2022 edition of this video. Thanks for all the hardwork!
Thank you! I don't have too much new information in 2022 that I think would be worthy of an update. The information in this video is still relevant for today.
@@ArtofServer I love the video! Still revelant in 2024? :D lol
WOW you have so much server knowledge it's insanity!! Anytime anyone asks me about HBAs especially with the CHIA mining craze I send them to this channel!
Thanks!
Excelent video!
Keep doing it!
Thanks, will do!
you are a beast, thanks so much for all this amazing content!
Glad you like them!
@@ArtofServer oh man oh man, your content is true masterpiece, do you have a video about what's hba, software raid, it mode, in a deep explanation, I already got sort it, but wanna learn more
very nice, i picked the LSI SAS2308-8I 9217-8I and added a fan to keep it cool because of this video
Glad this was helpful! :-)
@@ArtofServer there a 3d print for fan bracket www.shapeways.com/product/NET3LH5QP/fan-bracket-for-lsi-9207-8i no physical modifcation of the card to use in a non server case
Great video!
Thanks!
Love your videos
Thanks for watching!
Tremendously helpful
Glad it helped! :-)
Your videos inspired my to buy my first Dell PowerEdge R410 w 2x Xeon E5640s and a PERC6/i RAID cars, looking for a the SAS 6/ir to flash into IT mode!
And thanks for another great video!
Glad to hear that! If you need SAS6i/R card already flashed to IT mode, I have them listed here: ebay.to/2JcLpOZ
@@ArtofServer I actually got the dell SAS6/iR (The one that uses Dell proprietary port on the riser so I can get a 10Gb NIC in the freed place and use one of my virtual machines run as a router/firewall),and the correct cable, both new, thanks to your videos!
This is so EXCITING!
You are a great teacher
This. Is. Awesome. I will also say to everyone that watches. I have purchased an HBA from his eBay store. Worked perfect!!
Thanks man!
Never knew of this fellow but found his name on reddit. Reached out on ebay and dude took the time to help and expand my knowledge. 10/10, will be buying from him today
I'm not sure who you are from the couple dozen people I've responded to today, but it was my pleasure to help! Thank you for your kind comment! :-)
@@ArtofServer you sold me the mustang with 2 sas to sata then remembered the card had low profile but I needed regular for my case.
I really enjoyed watching this. I love listening to videos like these as I work in my home lab. Thumbs up!
Glad you enjoyed it. Thanks for watching!
@@ArtofServer I’m only about recently found out about the movement towards SDS, with using preferably HBAs instead of RAID controllers. Very interested in the topic and want to lab / try it out myself ASAP.
@@MR-vj8dn that's awesome! If you want to start playing around with ZFS, don't watch my "Forbidden Arts of ZFS" series of videos until you get more experience with it. :-)
@@ArtofServer I’m curious but not too sure about ZFS. I’ve seen many ppl make videos about it but as I’m picky about my file systems, in such ways to serve my client machines as good / natively as possible. I usually go the route of block storage with iSCSI and format the drive to OS native. .. but with even better hardware than I have I could perhaps have ZFS below iSCSI ..?
@@MR-vj8dn yes, you can use ZFS zvol over iscsi and format it with native filesystem.
Great video. Information to store away in case I need to add more spinning rust on my new unraid server.
Glad it was helpful!
Thanks for the useful video. Ended up going to your site and ordering an HBA for my Unraid server.
Thank you so much for your support!
That's what i said lol great minds innit :)
great video. thank you!!
Glad you liked it!
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Excellent, thank you
You're welcome! Thanks for watching!
hey ya such a great channel!
Thanks! Glad you are enjoying it!
Aa the Art of a very good video's and research... I like.
Thank you very much!
That's still a great overview, just ordered a LSI 9211-4i to virtualize TrueNAS Scale as I only had a PCIe x4 slot left. It would be great to see newer cards with just 4 PCIe lanes, especially at PCIe 4.0 or 5.0 speeds I see a lot of potential.
Totally agree! Would be nice to see newer gen cards with less PCIe lanes.
Wow, thank you!
You're welcome!
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Subd....i have a lot to learn, this channel is a good start.
Thanks!
Great video, glad to see all this info in the one place! Just curious, will you be covering motherboard integrated SAS as well at some point?
i am using the HP one in a dl380e gen 8, and works great. the best thing is that it does not make the server go into full fan speed mode. =) Great video!
Cool... you are talking about the H220 or H240? btw, do you know the mechanism by which HP decides to freak out and full blast the fans? Is it on the SMBus on PCIe? Or something else? I don't know recent HP stuff well....
@@ArtofServer The h240. i also have the H220, and that also works. it seems to be the SMbus(but i am not sure), i tried blocking that but does not work.
@@sogndal94 in what os are you using the h240?
@@Ducati1198desmo Sorry for really late answer. vmware, for vSAN.
Great vid - with vSphere 7 deprecating my RAID controllers, I have a number of SM863 and PM863 SSDs I am thinking of making a FreeNAS/ZFS array out of. What HBA would you recommend for high performance/SSD pools?
with SATA SSDs (or SAS2 SSDs), i would normally just recommend a HBA based on SAS2308 chipset. just keep in mind, the performance of ZFS doesn't scale linearly with SSDs... so don't expect a 24xSSD disk pool to perform 24x a single SSD. some tuning may be required.
Got a question,how many drives does the 7.8 GB/s support in a NAS environment. I'm thinking of building myself a SC847 with a x11 MB with 36 bay. 24 of them will be SATA HDD. Remaining 12 will be for SATA SSD array for configs for routere/switches,backup for server 2016 and 2019 for GPO etc and some PowerShell scripts ,VMs.
Or should I just skip to SAS3 and use a card that take SAS3 and convert it to SATA that supports 24 drive and 12 ssd drive array?
Hello, i got an SAS drive and would like to connect it to my normal PC desktop, is it possible with one of these ?
Indeed.
Another superb video 👍. Thank you, Art of Server.
12:42 It feels like folks (in the home and small businesses) increasingly are keen to deploy two on-prem use cases dually:
► (1) Colder/cooler storage with stability/longevity of data and possibly lower rates of bit-rot, thus favoring HDD devices over SSDs, and
► (2) Hotter/warmer storage with bias towards speed of SSDs.
The above being distinct from and in addition to cloud-based storage / mirroring services.
Kindest regards, neighbors.
Thanks! yes, I think just like the trend in the enterprise, the need for tiered storage architecture is finding use cases in home labs and small businesses.
@@ArtofServer 👍
So, what kind type of adapter would i need to connect a single 8tb Exos 7e8 sas drive under win10?
Thanks!
Thank you so much for your support! :-)
I have a sas9210-8i and i cant get 8 sas drives to work on this, only can get one port to run four 15krpm sas drives at a time. I tried each port and both ports work but i cant run 8 15k rpm sas drives on both ports at the same time. Anyone know how to fix this?
time to do another update! :) just ordered a card in the meantime, just went with my gut.
Another update of this video? I think for now, the information in this video is still current. Hope your "gut" did you right! :-)
@@ArtofServer Thank you, Art of Server 👍
Very helpful, thanks. I'll be getting a Dell T320 soon with an H310 controller, and I will be using ZFS (on NetBSD) on it, and rather risking a mess with trying to flash it to IT mode, I found I could get an LSI SAS2008-based controller for less than €40, which should work great. I think.
Cool. Glad it was helpful! Thanks for watching!
I have a stack (30-40) 3TB SAS drives that I'd like to format and flip. I may even consider using some myself for basic home data/media backup. What would you recommend is a good set up to get started? (I've looked at external enclosures, they're stupid expensive...A lot of people have commented on power consumption - are there ways to have them sleep like a regular windows SATA network drive that wakes up only when in use?) - thanks in advance!
I haven't investigated putting SAS drives to sleep. I think it is possible, but I might test it out and make a video about it in the future!
have used the leds on an IBM1015 card to identify bad drive in zfs array. lot easier to trace the wire number down than to pull drives to check serial numbers
yes, indeed! that can be useful if the drive is dead.... just wait until you need to troubleshoot the drives that are not quite dead, but flaking out and giving I/O errors instead of I/O timeouts... LOL
thank you!
You're welcome. Glad it was helpful.
@@ArtofServer after yours videos I'm now expert in HBA SAS too :D
If I wanted to build out a truenas scale server with all ssds. What hba do you recommend from your eBay store? I would like to purchase a new one as I think the one I purchased more recently can't handle the bandwidth or the ssds.
It depends on what kind of SSDs you're talking about? SATA? SAS-2? SAS-3? NVMe? For SATA/SAS-2, I think any HBA based on the SAS2308 or newer will do great. For SAS-3, I would focus on SAS3008 based or newer. And for NVMe, well, that's connected directly to your PCIe bus so no need for any SAS controller.
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@ArtofServer Why do I often see two different model numbers? for example. I think I have two 2308 cards. one is a SAS2308_2(D1)/SAS9217-8i and the other is SAS2308_2(D1)/H220 Can both run the same latest fw image?
As long as the controllers have the same chipset, and revision of chipset (like D1), it can run the same firmware. The ability to run a particular firmware also depends on SBR configuration, as well as hardware options. Cards like 9207-8i vs 9217-8i differ by an onboard NVRAM chip to store RAID configuration data. So only the 9217-8i supports the IR firmware, but both support the IT firmware. The H220, designated as 9205-8i, is really the same as 9207-8i, with a "HP" logo sticker over the "LSI" logo.
Great video and info! One super minor point I am not sure you've made is how an internal port card can be used for external ports with that internal to external PCIe slot converter, again minor point. Thanks
Good point! Thanks for watching!
Question for you, hopefully you can help me. I just got a supermicro sc846 (24 bay, came full of sas drives i have sata to put in, all spinning rust, no ssds aside from on the internal sata headers for the os) and inside it is a lsi 3ware 9690sa-414e with unknown firmware and such (but unraid will not see the drives put in it, dont know how to use proxmox so cant say on that yet, this was suppose to me my learning system for that.) and connects to the backplane with a single cable. Can you somehow assist me on getting this card to work or recommend another that will but won't break the bank?
Based on your other comment, I think you should look at upgrading the backplane. Then, any of the SAS-2 HBAs mentioned in this video should work. For the 846 chassis, I personally like the vertical port cards like the 9220-8i or 9223-8i and use the foldable 3M SAS cables to route them high in the chassis and out of the path of airflow. The background banner photo in my channel page is from my 846 with the folded cables.
On SSDs I tested some on a Dell Perc H700. Samsung EVOs which are normally fast on SATA are dogs on the H700. I talked to dell about it and they said a mismatch in the timings causes it. So I tested some Enterprise HGST SSDs and yes they work great and are super fast and robust. If you still with enterprise grade and approved they are fine on SSD but if you go consumer non approved well you get issues.
hi, found this video while searching for a cross flashing solution for a 9440-8i that is Dell 'locked' due to a different subvendor ID to the standard Broadcom version.
A variation of storCLI, ie storCLIO, which used to be shipped with storCLI, lets you do that, but it's nowhere online now.
Any suggestions please?
@art of server I just found your channel now, if I knew sooner I'd had bought from you. Quick question, I have 2 EMC 1.98 SAS SSD, I tried pointlessly to have my LSI 5015 SAS adapter to recognize them, both the BIOS and the software show them as incompatible. I did some research and some people say that is because the drives are formatted with a 520k sector, but in the SSD proprieties I see that these drives have 512k sectors. Is there a way to be able to use those drives at all, or am I SOL?
Thanks
You'll need a HBA, not a RAID controller, but you can reformat them following the instructions in my video here: czcams.com/video/DAaTfv96V9w/video.html
Which card would you recommend? I can obviously get away with a card that can support 8 more SATA drives, but in the interest of future proofing if 16 drives is doable for not much more maybe that would be better?
My setup:
PLEX
Running Stablebit DrivePool for storage management
which does read striping
6700k (16 PCI-E Lanes)
Z710 Asus viii Hero MB (20 PCI-E Lanes)
1080ti Video Card
1 - M.2 NVME (??Uses 4 PCI-E Lanes??)
6 - SATA HDD's going to MB (48TB Total)
Just shucked another WD Elements 12TB to add to the system and now I'm out of SATA ports.
Do I have enough PCI-E lanes to add a card without encountering any bottle necks to other devices like graphics or NVME M.2 drive or the drives themselves considering they can do read striping? Do I need to pay attention to which PCI-E port it goes in?
Thanks in advance! Love the videos!
Great content and well explained for novice and experienced users.
I bought a 9207 because of the bandwidth since I connect 4 SSDs and 4HDD to it but and I wanted to make sure it wasn't a bandwidth bottleneck, but I totally forgot about the IOPS and the higher clocked 2308 certainly helps with it.
Just a small point for some people considering 9206-16e, although it will probably have better IOPS performance than the 9202-16e, they have the same bandwidth. One has a PCI-E 3.0 8x and the other has PCI-E 2.0 16x. So probably just go for the 9202-16e (less heat problems) if you need the 16 ports, since even if you use SSDs they will be bottlenecked by the pci-e bandwidth. I don't think you mentioned it in the video, so just pointing it out :)
Thanks for sharing your knowledge! :-)
Yes, I didn't mention 9202-16e card since at the time I made this video, I was completely sold out. It is a good card, but handles lower IOPS than 9206-16e. You are right in that bandwidth on PCIe bus is almost the same (not exactly, due to encoding overhead differences 2.0 vs 3.0, but close enough).
Art of Server on another note. Have you ever been able to change the scan order, address or cage number (I think it’s called manufacture data) in a card? Because if I flash the LSI generic firmware with a -e 7 erase before it the card presents some very strange port numbers
@@heldersilva7554 changing address, serial number is easy. But I haven't looked at changing other parameters. What do you mean by cage number?
Art of Server for each sas/sata port you have information like cage number/port/port address. These determine the order in which the os sees the drivers. It’s not really important. But it would be nice to match the bay number of my microserver gen 8 with the daN numbers of FreeNas.
Very interesting. I only wish you had included cards with the 2108 chipset, like the IBM M5014/5015 in the comparison.
Sorry, this was focused on HBA cards... the 2108 is a RAID card and I don't really deal with those these days.
Also I bought a used HP Smart Array P822 / 2GB FBWC 6GB SAS RAID Controller which had my workstation CPUs, my Nvidia GTX 1070 video card, and the raid card so hot it nearly started my PC on fire. The new p822 I bought is much cooler but still quite hot. It needs an active cooling solution. Can you tell me what I need to use the ds2246 on my Dell Poweredge r620 server or my Dell Precision t5610?
What could be interesting would be a first and second generation benchmark side-by-side comparaison of iops when running the same SSDs on both.
In my use-case, I'll be using a SAS2008 based HBA just for a pair of 1TB SSDs in btrfs software raid1 that are just a cache-pool for my array.
I doubt it would be any worse than my crappy sata3 cards anyway, but I'ld be interrested to know how much there would be a notable enough gap between SAS2008 and SAS2308 HBAs when it comes to IOps in a configuration of just 2 or 4 sata SSDs.
I'm due to receive a SAS2008-based LBA in a week or two, and was planning to hook up a pair of SSDs to it. Yes, a full 8 port LBA for 2 sata3 SSDs.
Explanation: I have a R720. Front filled with spinning rust on a JBOD configured H310 mini mono.
I managed to sip 5V from the motherboard, which is the only power the Crucial MX500 ask for.
Issue: my SATA3 cards that actually won't let the server boot.
(every >12< of them are "offbrand" ones with some ASMedia controllers, was just fine in my hp Z620, but Dell R720 is having non of it)
Hi, if I'm using a mix of SAS driver: ST4000NM0025 and SATA SSD's should I stick with the LSI SAS 2308?
Yeah, if there are enough SATA SSDs to require the higher PCIe 3.0 bandwidth, I would recommend a SAS2308 card. Just be aware it requires more airflow/cooling.
How much cooling do I need for the 3 central boards (internal vertical oriented SAS2008) 21:43 ? I'd use one of them in a classical gaming computer air-cooled, I'd avoid noise if possible, I've a silent and cold computer.
LSI SAS2008 isn't as hot as the other chips. As long as you have some airflow over the cards heatsink, it should be okay.
Is it true I should disable EPC and Power balance Features on Seagate Exos drives when attaching to a HBA card like the 9207-8i?
Sorry, I'm not knowledgeable about that particular issue.
OMG IT'S GREAT, THX
And I thought it would be a waste of time😉
Glad it wasn't a waste of time. LOL
Great video! Do you have any experience with an
HPE E208i-p G10 controller? I got one cheap, but it's refusing to cooperate with the SSA on my HP DL380p G8, probably due to the Gen difference.
As far as I know, it can't be configured from either ESXi, or FreeNAS.
Are there any other OEN firmwares I could try?
No, sorry.
Do you happen to know which chips are based of the RAID P410i 512MB from HP and the P812 1GB ??
Thank you
sorry, no idea..
What's the model number or description for that 1 port hba? Can't find it in your store @ArtofServer
H1110, with the 9211-4i firmware. I'm currently out of stock on this item.
Hi, I'm considering building a NAS server with a 4U 24bay chassis.
Currently I have 16TB sata HDD x 24 and LSI 9300-8i (2ports) x 1.
Looks like there are several backplanes available on alibaba.
1. 6gbps backplane (6port on rear panel)
2. 6gbps backplane with LSI 2X36 expander chip (2port on rear panel)
3. 12gbps backplane (6ports on rear panel)
4. 12gbps backplane with LSI 3X36 expander chip (2~3port on rear panel)
I'm not considering connecting SSD to the chassis.
In this case, which one will you recommend?
Personally, I think I would choose #2. 6Gbps is more than fast enough for HDDs. #4 could work too, and would link at 12Gbps with the 9300-8i you have. That might simplify cabling. But it would depend on the cost difference between #2 and #4.
will the lsi 2008 work in a regular motherboard thats not a sever ? my goal is to install 7 more HHD an i only have 1 sata port left open
Yes, you just need a PCIe slot large enough to fit one of these HBA cards.
What card should I use with a ds2246 shelf? The ds2246 is sff-8436 and the cables I have for it are sff-8436 to sff-8436 but the raid cards and hba card I bought are sff-8088. I have a pile of NetApp hard drives that I need to format to 512 bytes using the ds2246 and Ubuntu or linux
I honestly haven't worked with the DS2246 so I can't say for certain. From what you describe, it sounds like all you need is a SFF-8088->SFF-8436 cable.
I want to connect roughly 20 HDD Sata 7200 RPM to one PC and achieve full speed on all of them with No Raid Just as is, what card and cables do I need from your store to do that? Second question same as above on another PC only with Sata SSDs ? Pls lmk I want to order soon. Thanks.
I recommend you watch this video: czcams.com/video/Q4e8kmuGm6o/video.html
But basically, you need about 40Gbps of bandwidth across all segments, including PCIe bus, SAS controller, and I think in this case, a SAS expander would be useful too. I think a SAS2308 based HBA is needed for the PCIe3x8 (62Gbps), and a dual cable connection to a SAS expander (8x6=48Gbps), and a SAS expander with at least 28 SAS lanes.
Link to my ebay store is in the video description. Checkout my store, and message me there if you have further questions.
Hi which sas controller I can use to connect fell md1200 to my PC/unraid server?
Thanks for helping
Dell MD1200
I would recommend a 9200-8e or 9201-16e.
Ok to anyone having those issues, found a fix, use scotch tape to tape pins 5 and 6 of the front of the card (heatsink facing you), DO NOT use electrical tape (it will melt and screw the motherboard) or try to cut the board or drill it, the backpins electrical channels are super close to the front pins, if you try to mess with them in any way you will ruin your card (i just did, but I had so many to test anyway I didn't care), problem is pins 5 and 6 are SMBUS pins, and OEMs use them for some weird things, they mess with your computer memory channels, thus blocking the card for users trying to use them in normal computers, after that the card will work fine on any computer
I’ve purchase a HP H240 from your eBay store. I running freenas 11.2 and have 6 SAS3 drives on a raid z2 running solid. I didn’t have to install any drivers I just plugged it in and connect the drives freenas recognized the drives fine
Wow?? Really H240? Or did you mean H220?
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Thanks! But Linux can't hire me... LOL
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Thanks for watching!
Thank you for great video. Quick question, one thing i was expecting in your video is talk little bit about the heat that is generated by the 3008 and 3408 cards compared to the 2308's. Do 3008 and 3408 cards produce similar heat as the 2308's ???? Do they need very high cooling ?? Thank you from Canada.
That's a great question and might be worth a video on it's own or I can incorporate it in a new edition of this video. (thanks for the idea)
I don't have actual measurements, but based on power consumption figures, which roughly correlate to heat generation:
LSI SAS2008: Nominal=6.4W, Worst-Case=14.63W
LSI SAS2308: Nominal=9.8W, Worst-Case=16.00W
LSI SAS3008: Nominal=14.5W, Worst-Case=22.5W
So, as you can see, the newer the I/O controller chip, the more heat it seems to generate. In fact, the old SAS-1 LSI 1068E chip typically didn't even have a heatsink! So, if you want really low power consumption and heat, use SAS drives and the old SAS-1 controller! :-)
@@ArtofServer Thank you so much for the update.
What’s crazy to think about is how pcie 5.0 is already a standard. When they start making controllers for that standard people will be able to get x1 cards with a single sff 8643 port. That will make adding a ssd raid to your desktop cheap and simple. But even more incredible is gen 5 x16 cards with 16 sff 8643 ports giving you 64 drives on one card. This will make high speed small form factor petabyte servers attainable. Technology is so exciting.
Yeah, I was thinking about this in my recent video about the Lenovo P620 with 128 PCIe gen 4 lanes. It got me thinking, even with Gen 4, perhaps GPUs can go back to x8 instead of being x16 all the time. This would help conserve PCIe lanes, and divert those resources to NVMe storage.
What Card do you indicate to run with a FreeNas with 8x 4Tb HDD SATA3? Need to run in IT Mode
You should probably watch the video as it's answered in the video. I'll help you by skipping the SAS6i/R and start here:
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Question... what happens to that bottleneck when installing in a PCIe supported mobo? Is it still limited by it's own design limits, or does the bottleneck just break open?
Sorry, not sure I understand the question???
Recently I got gifted an HP H220 (the one that says SAS9205-8i on the back). I was planning on building two zfs raid sets on it, one with 4 SAS HDDs and the other with 4 SATA SSDs using the appropriate cables. Is mixing SAS and SATA on one card problematic? Also, for some reason it seems to be recognized as PCI-E gen 2.0 x8 instead of 3.0 x8, although I've installed it in a gen3 slot. Love your videos :)
use sas2flash and check the revision of the chipset. is it B0 or D1? sounds like you might have B0, but I've never seen a H220 with B0 before, only the H221 seems to have B0.
@@ArtofServer Tested it in another machine, this time says 3.0 x8, so it's not the card at least, sas2flash showed SAS2308(D1). How about mixing SAS and SATA drives on the same card, is that good idea or should I avoid it?
Hi Art of server, can you help me out please? I have a lsi sas2008, I got it for more sata port in my personal pc , and it works fine except after I put my pc to sleep, waking up the pc will cause a BSOD and it shows the error DRIVER_POWER_STATE_FAILURE. Can you shred some light on my problem please? maybe the card I got is malfunctioning or the model is too old? Btw thanks for this video, it helped me a lot!
I assume BSOD means you're using Windows? If so, i'm not of much help when it comes to Windows.
19:09 Im only 19:09 in, and I'll probably be editing or deleting this comment the more into the video I get, but what would I need if I have my OS on an SSD, but will be using HDD spinners for data storage? I have a dual boot system win/linux on a gigabyte z390 aorus master mobo.. Windows is on a NVME M.2 SSD and Linux is on a dual mirror setup with 4xSSD. I plan on creating a RAID with 3 HDD and upgrading in a few months to 4 HDD. I dont I'll be adding SSD to my raid setup in the near future. So the card will only have HDD connected to it. Will my SSD and M.2. have any effect on what card I should go with?
If those are SATA SSDs, probably best to keep them on the motherboard and keep them separated from the SAS HBA. SATA SSDs don't always support SATA TRIM over SAS controllers - they work generally, but there are little things that don't always work, like TRIM command.
Great video, agein! In terms of power consumption is it better to run an 8 lane card plus port expander or go with the 16 lane without expander? Especially for the sas2008 vs sas2016 ...
great question... that might be an idea for a future video!
my guess is that SAS2008+expander is more energy efficient than SAS2008x2, but SAS2116 might be most efficient... but I don't know.. just a guess.. and a great question. i'm writing this down for future video... thanks!
@@ArtofServer +1 in finding a recommended solution for 16 lanes. Going to read up on those expanders...
which one you recommend to connect only hard drives, more precisely 8x SAS 10K drives? thanks
something LSI SAS2008 should be good enough...
Nice prices you have there, but shipping and import duties makes price double... I'm thinking in buying a M5015 46M0851 and flashing it to LSI 9260-8i it mode for a home zfs nas server (just hd, no ssd). Am I in the right path?
No, M5015 is a SAS 2108 raid controller I believe. What you need is probably a M1015 or M1115 instead if you are interested in an HBA IT mode SAS controller.
Looking to get a 16 internal lane card strictly for HDD use would you suggest the SAS2116?
Yeah, that would be a great card for that or use a SAS expander solution. See my playlist in SAS expanders for ideas. The 9201-16i are just very expensive and hard to find.
@@ArtofServer Yea I'm seeing that, and thinking of going the expander route as I only have 1 open full legenth pci e slot open
Considering the amount of heat generated by the chipset and switch (perc 730), is it a good idea to replace the thermal paste between the heatsink?
It's never a bad idea to renew the thermal paste. Just be careful because some cards use a thermal epoxy and if you don't pry on the heatsink just the right way, it will pull the chip off the BGA grid and damage the card. If the heatsink comes off easily, then go ahead and replace the thermal paste. If it seems like it's really stuck on, be very careful or leave it alone. In general, for a 10-20W device, I don't think there's a need to worry about that too much as long as you have adequate airflow. Airflow is much more important than new or old thermal paste.
@@ArtofServer Thank you for pointing out "epoxy" - it really can be a trap. of course airflow is the first rule for me, thanks for the advice👍
Thanks bruv ill try to order soon first lets see what happens with the 9201-8i ;-)
Thanks for your support! :-)
hi i do burst mining. so i need a 6gb hba card. but i have questions.
1. if the back plate is 6gb can the sas card be 12gb?
2. is there any real diff between a 9211-8i and a 9260-8i or any other card if i am use hba\it mode
3. can you use 3 sas hba cards together in the same server
4. for my situation i need fast read time that hits all drive at the same time what should i get for a 24 bay 3.5 hdd setup. (on the cheap) and (spot on) my back plate is 6gb and drives are 16tb
1. yes, but it would be pointless to spend on a 12Gbps SAS card... with a 6Gbps backplane, it'll negotiate down to 6Gbps. in that case, just get a 6Gbps SAS card.
2. 9211-8i is a HBA, 9260-8i is an actual RAID card.
3. yes. when i flash these cards, I have 10 or 7 of them in the server at the same time.
4. depends whether your I/O pattern is sequential or random and what type of transaction size.