Intel chips can’t possibly be this bad… 100% crash rate?

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  • čas přidán 20. 08. 2024

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  • @Cyril29a
    @Cyril29a Před měsícem +6674

    AMD: "When your enemy is making a mistake don't interrupt them."

    • @Ring0--
      @Ring0-- Před měsícem +94

      Eeriely close to Art of War.

    • @TopJoo7
      @TopJoo7 Před měsícem +29

      Zao Ti Zoo

    • @koloblicin4599
      @koloblicin4599 Před měsícem +99

      *"don't IRQ them"

    • @Ring0--
      @Ring0-- Před měsícem +33

      @@koloblicin4599 You old bastard! You used to use jumpers on circuit boards.
      /I kinda miss that amount of control 😔

    • @Cyril29a
      @Cyril29a Před měsícem +4

      @@koloblicin4599 Very nice

  • @younglord6620
    @younglord6620 Před měsícem +5490

    Ai not mentioned🎊🎉🍾

    • @gr.4380
      @gr.4380 Před měsícem +145

      thank god

    • @moamber1
      @moamber1 Před měsícem +296

      f-AI-lure rate

    • @Jkaninteangemittnamn
      @Jkaninteangemittnamn Před měsícem

      They used their Ai and it lied to them - this is just what expected greed makes shortcut and all those genous were fooled by what they call "ai" Guess next Intel wants to push same Ai design on all Intelchips so everyone can experince the same experience as Intel - Good times

    • @fus3n
      @fus3n Před měsícem +162

      if you listen carefully at 0:14 he says "and" which has A and at 0:42 he says "intel" which has I so its AI, so he did mention AI

    • @LuisSierra42
      @LuisSierra42 Před měsícem +12

      We are all AI on this cursed day

  • @Level1Techs
    @Level1Techs Před měsícem +606

    Thanks for the shout out and great rundown!

    • @rhoharane
      @rhoharane Před měsícem +13

      Thanks, youtuber level1techs!
      jk, hi wendell!

  • @sanderwrong9106
    @sanderwrong9106 Před měsícem +1426

    Intel: The Boeing of CPUs

    • @Roboprogs
      @Roboprogs Před měsícem +55

      X86 Max?

    • @Cheffamily
      @Cheffamily Před měsícem +38

      none has died from their cpus tho…

    • @eyedl
      @eyedl Před měsícem +45

      do they kill whistleblowers too?

    • @user-cq1gc3nh5e
      @user-cq1gc3nh5e Před měsícem +60

      I love that simply "Boeing" became a derogatory term.

    • @LiberatedMind1
      @LiberatedMind1 Před měsícem +13

      @@Cheffamily False, I in fact died last week from their chips.

  • @KR4FTW3RK
    @KR4FTW3RK Před měsícem +5442

    In their desperation to somehow keep up with AMD, Intel has cranked their chips so much they now burn themselves out. Bravo!

    • @tao4124
      @tao4124 Před měsícem +295

      Yes, they won in benchmarks, but, in the long run, they fail terribly.

    • @sovietunion9131
      @sovietunion9131 Před měsícem +163

      10nm vs 5nm. They increased the power to keep up with amd 5nm chips and that's what caused them issue in there. Big mistake... A Very Big Mistake.
      Let's see what will be the future with Arrow lake (tsmc 3nm or intel 20A)

    • @KR4FTW3RK
      @KR4FTW3RK Před měsícem +180

      @@tao4124 When I got into building PCs, it was the other way around with AMD pushing their bulldozer-chips to (for the time) ridiculous power levels... but these chips didn't burn out. The Fx-9590 was rated 220 Watts.

    • @1Grainer1
      @1Grainer1 Před měsícem +58

      @@KR4FTW3RK intel uses over 250, but problem in some cases seems to be cache that was changed between 12 and 13 gen, and 13 gen was 11 month rush job, and 14 gen is just a refresh

    • @DoctorMandible
      @DoctorMandible Před měsícem +25

      Imagine thinking intel needs to "keep up" with amd. Check their price caps. Like saying the USA needs to "keep up" with Cambodia.
      I'm sure Cambodia is beautiful and has many nice things. But let's be real.
      They might lose some sales for these chips. But that's a hiccup for them.

  • @cyrylnycz2349
    @cyrylnycz2349 Před měsícem +2239

    Processor ❌ Bunch of electrons jumping around on a rock✅

    • @ME0WMERE
      @ME0WMERE Před měsícem +43

      what's the difference

    • @fromagetriste
      @fromagetriste Před měsícem +105

      ​@@ME0WMERE poetry

    • @aaaaaa-hh8cq
      @aaaaaa-hh8cq Před měsícem +20

      it's actually accurate

    • @DekarNL
      @DekarNL Před měsícem +13

      Bunch of electrons dancing around on sand

    • @iamvfx
      @iamvfx Před měsícem +16

      @@DekarNL Sand ❌Bunch of tiny yellow rocks✅

  • @skurtyyskirts
    @skurtyyskirts Před měsícem +212

    I have an i9-14900k and can confirm, this has been a living hell. Web pages randomly crashing, blue screens, and discord dying. This is horrible.

    • @thathandsomedevil0828
      @thathandsomedevil0828 Před měsícem +10

      Switch to AMD, brother.. 😊

    • @aname-kg3cb
      @aname-kg3cb Před měsícem

      @@thathandsomedevil0828 ah yes smd one of the best semiconductor companies of all time 😃

    • @akshataaryangamelibrary3645
      @akshataaryangamelibrary3645 Před měsícem

      ​@@thathandsomedevil0828'AMD'

    • @fleecejohnsonn
      @fleecejohnsonn Před měsícem +5

      I'm still willing to give Intel a chance on Arrow Lake because of new 2nm process... but this issue definitely gives me second thoughts.

    • @PCgamerChannel
      @PCgamerChannel Před 27 dny +7

      That sucks, So glad i got the ryzen 7 7800x3d

  • @IsaLang
    @IsaLang Před měsícem +193

    Next 15th Gen Intel: "Fire Lake"

  • @YetAnotherTechRaccoon
    @YetAnotherTechRaccoon Před měsícem +3736

    "...a bunch of electrons dance on a rock" is so funny, yet accurate it hurts. Building a processor sounds like the hardest job ever. The resulting product is magic to me.

    • @moonik665
      @moonik665 Před měsícem +230

      Any technology distinguishable from magic is insufficiently advanced.

    • @kirkanos771
      @kirkanos771 Před měsícem +31

      @@moonik665 Caruth R Ekralc

    • @An_Attempt
      @An_Attempt Před měsícem +104

      I mean, we did figure out how to turn lead into gold a while ago. The problem is that it is very energy intensive and the result is usually radioactive. So turning sand (silica) into something worth more than gold was a close second.

    • @TheGiuse45
      @TheGiuse45 Před měsícem +32

      I study electrical engineering and it's really cool. It's almost an art form at a certain point.

    • @ashishbarthwal6961
      @ashishbarthwal6961 Před měsícem +111

      It's honestly still bonkers to me that we don't have to pay 1000s of dollars to get a chip that can run billions of operations per second with such precision... the absolute ingenuity behind getting this to an affordable price is bloody impressive

  • @thripnixe
    @thripnixe Před měsícem +2035

    When there's an error when im playing a video game I usually blame Microsoft, now I can blame intel too.

    • @Tyft
      @Tyft Před měsícem +88

      I usually never comment, but today I made an exception.
      Why?
      Because I want you to know that your comment is really funny, and I after a few minutes still have a smile on my face
      Keep being badass!

    • @YIPPY-xf8pi
      @YIPPY-xf8pi Před měsícem +29

      You should blame your mom.

    • @josiaswando9561
      @josiaswando9561 Před měsícem +2

      Videogames usally uses AMD or ARM.

    • @m.hosseinmahmoodi
      @m.hosseinmahmoodi Před měsícem +61

      @@josiaswando9561 what does that even mean?

    • @Triknor
      @Triknor Před měsícem +1

      @@YIPPY-xf8pifair.

  • @nathanstein589
    @nathanstein589 Před měsícem +187

    Intel was dead to me the day they integrated the Intel “management engine” on their chips totally outside of the users control. Even Andrew Tanenbaum, who wrote the OS it was built from, has decried it as thinly veiled spyware.

    • @milanstoyakov
      @milanstoyakov Před měsícem +17

      Interesting, but AMD has introduce a similar feature as well?

    • @thathandsomedevil0828
      @thathandsomedevil0828 Před měsícem +1

      What does that do exactly?

    • @materialknight
      @materialknight Před měsícem

      ​@@thathandsomedevil0828 . Nobody knows, but I'm sure its function is to open your device's 4ss-cheeks to Pegasus, why?
      Because Pegasus is sold for millions of dollars, and it even includes customer service! That business would not be viable if Pegasus depended on a vulnerability (as it's often said) that can be discovered and patched at any moment.
      That means Pegasus takes advantage of hardware-level backdoors: "Intel Management Engine" (for Intel) and "AMD Secure Technology" (for AMD). Supporting this theory is the fact that the FBI requested computers without any of those backdoors.

    • @roraFPS
      @roraFPS Před měsícem

      The American government forced them to implement it. It’s a back door for the feds

    • @deloller2452
      @deloller2452 Před měsícem +6

      ​@@milanstoyakov much more limited

  • @WarAnakin
    @WarAnakin Před 17 dny +18

    Here's the truth, a little bit of inside info: There is no bad microcode, the mobos are not broken, there are no flaws. The issue is with the CPU's architecture. You see, since the 12th gen intel started including the Efficiency-cores. Now those cores are running on the same bus as the Performance cores. With the last 2 gens (13th and 14th), to keep up with AMD, intel just drastically increased the clocks. This clock increase is severely heating the bus between these chips. It was not designed to run at these frequencies and temperatures, hence the obscene amount of crashes. Intel knows this because the guys from the QA department brought this up to management and management said "Fuck it, let's just milk these last 2-3 years since we are on the verge of releasing the new re-designed series." This is why they avoid doing anything because they know they can't fix and it's why they've been shifting the blame for so long. They are pushing for time. I know the whole story behind it, I simply chose to stay quiet for a long time because of reasons. I advise downclocking to 4.4-4.8ghz and the cpu will operate flawlessly, unless yours is broken after such a long time of running at the high clocks.

  • @ristopaasivirta9770
    @ristopaasivirta9770 Před měsícem +1385

    Man I need to start doing that error reporting style...
    prefix every fatal exception with "User error:"

    • @oleg4966
      @oleg4966 Před měsícem +22

      That is only true if the user and the buyer are the same person. In other words, it won't work if you sell B2B.

    • @snil4
      @snil4 Před měsícem +70

      The way of the linux community

    • @luccadibenedetto2986
      @luccadibenedetto2986 Před měsícem +9

      this has me dead hahahaha Im gonna start implementing this

    • @alvydasjokubauskas2587
      @alvydasjokubauskas2587 Před měsícem +4

      They put general error and blame the user, when its their error...

    • @JohnsonUbaezuonu
      @JohnsonUbaezuonu Před měsícem +17

      User error: cannot read name of undefined 😃

  • @someusername1872
    @someusername1872 Před měsícem +783

    This has been the best free marketing AMD could've never asked for

    • @iikatinggangsengii2471
      @iikatinggangsengii2471 Před měsícem +2

      i do always use intel and always given better than retail unit too,
      i did buy ryzens on some machines and they all perform very well, great gaming cpus

    • @danieltanuwijaya7675
      @danieltanuwijaya7675 Před měsícem +16

      "Our CPUs actually work!"

    • @anistardi
      @anistardi Před měsícem

      But still not effective. Because most Intel users are uneducated and denied this facts. That why Intel market share decrease but so slowly.

    • @uponeric36
      @uponeric36 Před měsícem +3

      Yup, this is the year (well next year more likely) AMD will completely overtake intel on the desktop, laptop, and server and intel will become the minority share of the market. I could honestly see Intel failing within our lifetime if they keep this up.

    • @maspoetry1
      @maspoetry1 Před 19 dny

      Unless they asked for

  • @melanp4698
    @melanp4698 Před měsícem +65

    Been playing WoW for 20 years, never had any significant issues. Until i got an insane gaming pc last year with one of those chips. Nearly had to give up playing, crashing every 5 minutes and spent dozens of hours troubleshooting.
    I defintely believe everything that is being said in this video.

    • @axjkhl7699
      @axjkhl7699 Před měsícem +12

      and you don't regret waisting 20 years of your life playing WoW? 😳

    • @melanp4698
      @melanp4698 Před měsícem

      @@axjkhl7699 i didnt say i only played wow or that i played 10 hours a day, did i? But no, why would i think that? It's been a blast, made great friends and other stuff. What was wasted?

    • @aname-kg3cb
      @aname-kg3cb Před měsícem +1

      i dont think so you did a good utilisation of your time playing 20 years on wow

    • @Wahinies
      @Wahinies Před 29 dny

      ​@@axjkhl7699really?

    • @MGrey-qb5xz
      @MGrey-qb5xz Před 29 dny +3

      ​@@axjkhl7699tf? Are you mad he dissed intel?

  • @shimadabr
    @shimadabr Před měsícem +33

    How did two generations of processors launch without Intel noticing the issue during QA? I imagined their QAs were very thorough and exhaustive, that is an epic failure.

    • @w1z4rd9
      @w1z4rd9 Před 19 dny

      DEI I guess

    • @ilikecybermen1036
      @ilikecybermen1036 Před 18 dny +2

      ​@@w1z4rd9 what?????

    • @w1z4rd9
      @w1z4rd9 Před 18 dny +2

      @@ilikecybermen1036 Diversity, equity, and inclusion
      Yes it exists.

    • @ilikecybermen1036
      @ilikecybermen1036 Před 18 dny +4

      @@w1z4rd9 I get that I just don't see what possible relevance it could have here.

    • @w1z4rd9
      @w1z4rd9 Před 18 dny

      @@ilikecybermen1036 Uhm I guess literally not focusing and putting employee-skills at the top where DEI could directly or indirectly affect the quality of the whole company and it's product. Especially what OP said, Quality Assurance.

  • @bigbocchi
    @bigbocchi Před měsícem +2783

    AMD does nothing.
    Its competition keeps shooting itself in the foot.
    The best marketing strategy

    • @sovietunion9131
      @sovietunion9131 Před měsícem +168

      If there wouldn't be any competition AMD will become what intel was in the past "Greedy".

    • @roflixo
      @roflixo Před měsícem +244

      Yeah for AMD it's great. For consumers, not so much. If Intel shits the bed completely, we will be eventually facing another Nvidia-level monopoly, but this time in the CPU world.

    • @IronCandyNotes
      @IronCandyNotes Před měsícem +9

      They stole that strat from China.

    • @commie563
      @commie563 Před měsícem +47

      Feature of last stage capitalism.
      Same like Boeing and Airbus

    • @svenhoek
      @svenhoek Před měsícem +14

      @@sovietunion9131 That is just market forces at work. Greed is a feature of them. The Board's fiduciary duty to shareholder's demands it

  • @mascot4950
    @mascot4950 Před měsícem +734

    Phew, I'm so happy I did not put the sticker on mine.

  • @aarona3144
    @aarona3144 Před měsícem +20

    This exact thing happened to my brand new 14th Gen i7 laptop I bought for work. The motherboard lasted 2 months. Luckily I bought it from Lenovo and I think they did applied some firmware that declocked the CPU. The tech guy who came to my house to fix it said that they were purposefully overclocking these chips and didn't care that they were going to go bad but didn't think they would start to go bad this quickly.
    Hopefully, they'll do a recall on these and I can get my money back if this continues.

    • @_DSch
      @_DSch Před měsícem +1

      If not, there is one tool that enables the hidden bios developer mode (if that backdoor is still there) from where you can reenable userspace under/overclocking and voltage control.
      Another method was holding fn while off and swiping your finger over some keyboard rows then turning it back on.

    • @aarona3144
      @aarona3144 Před měsícem

      @@_DSch 🤔

  • @zachzimmermann5209
    @zachzimmermann5209 Před měsícem +10

    Wow, I didn't realize quite the bullet I was dodging when I got a cheap 12700k a year back rather than something new. I even got a free NVME drive with the open box motherboard (hiding under the heatsink). Crazy luck in retrospect.

  • @MetalheadAndNerd
    @MetalheadAndNerd Před měsícem +1066

    Just rename them to "Sewage Lake"

    • @akosv96
      @akosv96 Před měsícem +68

      Intel (burning inside)™ 14900 L Sewage Lake aka (Sandy bridge refresh refresh refresh refresh), now with 500W total power dissipation and 1% general improvement compared to last gen competitors*
      *=on 65W power saving config 2133MHz memory clock
      Talk about snake oil salesman tactics... (They accused AMD officially)

    • @alvydasjokubauskas2587
      @alvydasjokubauskas2587 Před měsícem +2

      I am not using intel more than 5 years now...

    • @erkinalp
      @erkinalp Před měsícem

      @@akosv96 DDR4 and DDR5 did indeed require changes in the circuitry, it's not exactly the same as sandy bridge

    • @Basics_of_Gameology
      @Basics_of_Gameology Před měsícem +12

      When u think 11th Gen Lava Lake is bad enough... Intel proves us wrong 😂

    • @Spidapida006
      @Spidapida006 Před měsícem +7

      A waste of sand!

  • @ZyfLa
    @ZyfLa Před měsícem +704

    I personally purchased a 14900k and immediately ran into issues with the video memory issue you mentioned, spent weeks going down insane rabbit holes and replacing everything. Only to find out that the default bios settings essentially cooked my cpu, fast forward to me ordering a 14900kf, undervolting, and using all the recommended power settings provided on intels website... only for the 14900kf to slowly fail over time as well... Intel has pretty much lost me as a customer for a very long time, I've had no issues with either of my AMD systems.

    • @fnorgen
      @fnorgen Před měsícem +157

      I ran into a dude who insisted that failure to undervolt an Intel K-processor counted as user error. You don't have to worry about Intel running out of customers any time soon.

    • @shriram5494
      @shriram5494 Před měsícem +163

      So let me get this straight.
      You did all that rabbit hole research and then went and bought ANOTHER one of the same cpu?

    • @TheeGlocktopus
      @TheeGlocktopus Před měsícem +55

      Pretty sure the "don't be an early adopter" motto reigns supreme to this day. It's never failed me. If you look at every hardware manufacturer, they have stories like this throughout the history of time. Intel, AMD, nVidia, Apple all of them. This isn't something new. It comes with territory of "having the latest and greatest" hardware.

    • @blocksource4192
      @blocksource4192 Před měsícem +8

      What do I do when I just spent $4500 dollars on a intel 14900KS build

    • @AirCome_
      @AirCome_ Před měsícem +43

      ​@@shriram5494might have thought his unit was a dud

  • @Rec00013
    @Rec00013 Před měsícem +5

    Amd was known for their chips burning about a decade ago and fixed the issue and left intel in the dust. the only people that still use intel should be large businesses that refuse to change and still use massively outdated intel chips. Amd outpreforms at every metric and has for a long time, including cost

  • @mariovazquez3874
    @mariovazquez3874 Před měsícem +21

    People forgot that previous architecture had a problem with hyper threading and Intel solution was.. turn it off, both for old chips, and current ones that don't have it anymore. Don't know if it is incompetence, or planned obsolescence, but is close to becoming a pattern.

    • @cryptocsguy9282
      @cryptocsguy9282 Před 11 dny

      @mariovazquez3874 So that's why they removed hypertreading , I had no idea

  • @keremardicli4013
    @keremardicli4013 Před měsícem +697

    "Overflowing stack of problems" 😂😂😂

    • @Hex-Mas
      @Hex-Mas Před měsícem +8

      Where the code becomes curses
      And systems become blasphemy
      And the bit horses of troy unite on some dead guy's birthday
      You will know us

    • @PersonalEmail-ot1bq
      @PersonalEmail-ot1bq Před měsícem

      ​@@Hex-Mas 😂😂

  • @mr.togrul--9383
    @mr.togrul--9383 Před měsícem +387

    I am glad my broke ass doesnt have lastest 13th and 14th gen Intel

    • @kevinsteinman8967
      @kevinsteinman8967 Před měsícem +44

      I'm so poor that I had to buy Ryzens which turned out to be probably a good thing.

    • @GHOST-AI1
      @GHOST-AI1 Před měsícem +1

      not worth the 6000$ either for 600 you can get a 7900x and it works better

    • @Greaful
      @Greaful Před měsícem +12

      If u want high quality Ryzen cpus it’s better to get the 7800x3d (expensive but is stable and rivals both 13th and 14th gen intel cpus in performance) the 7600x if your just trying to get on am5 (still a very capable processor)

    • @dhwwiiexpert
      @dhwwiiexpert Před měsícem +4

      I could have bought one when I was getting stuff for the PC build, but I decided a 12th gen was good enough.

    • @Yokubasu
      @Yokubasu Před měsícem +3

      I still run 6th gen. Meanwhile my mom has 3rd gen. Neither of us has any issues. Then again we both aren't really power users. I game occasionally, but it's mostly sufficient for the kind of games i'm playing

  • @doannhat808
    @doannhat808 Před měsícem +6

    Had a superstition to not buy 13600k because "13" is ill luck.
    Curse my rationality

    • @marcelodudka9852
      @marcelodudka9852 Před 29 dny +1

      I bought a 13600k for my new (first) build. I enabled the intel default profile and it has a massive cooler (idles at 35c). I'm praying that my i5 will last. If not, I can't waste time switching out the mobo. I'll just get a 12700k.

  • @galmud1508
    @galmud1508 Před měsícem +347

    Well at least it's not a 110% failure rate. So that's good..

  • @SimGunther
    @SimGunther Před měsícem +73

    "On a long enough timeline, the survival rate for everyone drops to zero"
    Truly one of the quotes of all time

    • @ethereal2620
      @ethereal2620 Před měsícem +4

      Does not even need to be that long. Just 100 years will get you like... 3 sigma or more.

    • @Roboprogs
      @Roboprogs Před měsícem +1

      “Zerohedge” much?

  • @laevatein8851
    @laevatein8851 Před měsícem +3

    This is a crazy vid. Thanks for reporting on this. I started having these issues almost year ago on my 13th gen. Drove me nuts. Thought it was nvdia the whole time but then managed to narrow it down to my CPU. Disabled all my E cores and now finally no more crashing on anything... But thats like a majority of my cpu...

  • @stuggy5370
    @stuggy5370 Před měsícem +4

    Got a 13th gen chip this past year. Been in contact with Intel for months with these exact problems, specifically issues at X referenced memory. Intel has been "clueless" about this issue when discussing with me and won't cover the warranty replacement or refund. Have had more help on random intel forum posts and reddit from other people who have these issues. Finally, I have been able to get a SOMEWHAT stable fix when underclocking the voltage, but still super disappointing.

  • @eduardomoura2813
    @eduardomoura2813 Před měsícem +463

    >finaly build a high end machine
    >13700k

    • @j_shelby_damnwird
      @j_shelby_damnwird Před měsícem +12

      Me too. About two months of usage, mainly for 3D renders and Stable Diffusion. No problems whatsoever.

    • @eduardomoura2813
      @eduardomoura2813 Před měsícem +14

      @@j_shelby_damnwird almost 8 months for the same use and no problems guess we got lucky, but maybe next time I should try some amd cpus

    • @adreto2978
      @adreto2978 Před měsícem +39

      13700k is stable I think it's just 13900k and 14900k

    • @beefbox
      @beefbox Před měsícem +10

      One year and 5 months for me, no issues, hopefully I don't regret saying that 🤣🤣 i7-13700KF

    • @timiko4
      @timiko4 Před měsícem +37

      @@adreto2978 issues can be in all raptor lake chips, including i7s and i5s, also laptop chips.Yes, on warframe posts>75% of crashes were i9s, but in the rest you had 14700 and 13700

  • @rickeyheard4454
    @rickeyheard4454 Před měsícem +283

    dude my PC has been shitting itself for weeks. everything is BRAND NEW. this explains so much. this is ridiculous.

  • @drmoayad
    @drmoayad Před měsícem +4

    I have an I5 14500k. I thought it was just me who had this problem: my PC would crash randomly and blue screen. My browser would crash some tabs and say that I didn't have enough memory. I reinstalled Windows, and the issue persisted. This video explains a lot!

    • @gildg7806
      @gildg7806 Před měsícem +2

      You switching to amd cpu from now on?

    • @drmoayad
      @drmoayad Před měsícem +2

      @@gildg7806 I thought about that, but the problem is that it would be too expensive. Switching to my current CPU cost me ~ $500$ because I needed a new motherboard.

    • @Sou-no7xt
      @Sou-no7xt Před měsícem +2

      @@gildg7806 we are going to witness AMD become the new villain in the CPU market. I am sure they are going to increase their price tag because the completion will likely die for a while due to Intel's idiocy.

  • @verified_tinker1818
    @verified_tinker1818 Před měsícem +8

    Meanwhile, I'm here chilling with my 3rd-generation Intel processor.

  • @Graphene_314
    @Graphene_314 Před měsícem +235

    The extra cache in AMD's x3d convinced me to get an AMD CPU this time around
    looks like I made the right choice

    • @HolyRamanRajya
      @HolyRamanRajya Před měsícem +11

      I'm waiting for when handhelds get an x3D variant

    • @ilxplay
      @ilxplay Před měsícem

      no you didn't LMAO

    • @domenicpolsoni8370
      @domenicpolsoni8370 Před měsícem +63

      @@ilxplay What does this mean exactly because "LMAO" isn't a valid argument?

    • @gregoriodia
      @gregoriodia Před měsícem +50

      ​@@ilxplaycope harder. Then your Intel that eats almost 4x more power to barely catch up with AMD will get 9% performance hit before going out in flames.
      You can then quote Cheech and Chong's "up in smoke, that's where my money goes" xD

    • @wood6454
      @wood6454 Před měsícem +10

      x3d chips ❤

  • @gblargg
    @gblargg Před měsícem +206

    It's not like every failure results in a crash. Imagine all the non-crashing data corruption these could be causing. Definitely won't be getting a PC with one of these in it.

    • @seeibe
      @seeibe Před měsícem +41

      Yes, this is what has me more on edge than anything. I wouldn't want random data corruption that I only notice years later.

    • @billyshuig6087
      @billyshuig6087 Před měsícem +15

      @@seeibe I have a 14th gen and before the bios update it would fuck my windows install and corrupt it so I had to run DISM like every other day

    • @LabGecko
      @LabGecko Před měsícem +6

      After the patch: Corrupting things no one notices until it's impossible to trace 😅
      I think it's their new marketing strategy to sell more chips - they just turned the dial up too much at first.

    • @GeorgeNoiseless
      @GeorgeNoiseless Před měsícem +24

      Yikes, I think I'd rather have a component straight up burn out than malfunction like this

    • @kickbeez642
      @kickbeez642 Před měsícem

      What gen is Intel Evo?

  • @catsspat
    @catsspat Před měsícem +2

    Nice fast paced video with all the details and quick jabs. Well done.

  • @llortaton2834
    @llortaton2834 Před měsícem +3

    Putting the image of boogie as "end user" is nicely done.

  • @EveryGameGuru
    @EveryGameGuru Před měsícem +179

    As the owner of a 13900K, I can confirm the stability issues are insane.

    • @Bramagon
      @Bramagon Před měsícem +25

      Mine has been stable for over a year. I did however change some settings in my (gigabyte) bios the moment I got the chip.. In case you are interested: limited the wattage to intel recommended, disabled all gigabyte overclock settings, set the ac/dc loadline preset to medium (which slightly increases the base voltage iirc), undervolted the chip when under heavy loads using the vf points. (-100mv when all p cores are at 5.5-5.8ghz, -0.8~ at 5.4, -0.6 at 5.3 etc). I also reduced the SA voltage to 1.2v from the mobo default 1.28v. These settings have left me with a perfectly stable chip so far and no performance loss in benchmark. My ram is running at 7200mts with tuned timings using buildzoid recommendations and some experimenting myself. Hopefully I managed to accidentally fix my chip before it started degrading lol.

    • @dimakoss5142
      @dimakoss5142 Před měsícem

      Oh shish, I would stop trusting intel after their infamous tripple bug on all processors that was 5-6 yrs back... bad luck anyway, you don't expect to be that scammed bying from intel

    • @cameronroman506
      @cameronroman506 Před měsícem +10

      @@Bramagonyou have an unlocked chip right? So why purchase an unlocked chip just to do all this? This means they basically are false advertising their unlocked chips and their is no reason to unlock them

    • @Bramagon
      @Bramagon Před měsícem +8

      @@cameronroman506 Undervolting can increase performance while reducing temps and noise. This was the main reason I initially experimented with these settings. Unlocked chips also tend to be the better binned chips that allow for bigger undervolts without having to lower the frequencies. Overclocking nowadays doesn't make sense because the chips are already pushed to their limits by Intel. Also, another reason for doing all this is because I like experimenting with my hardware :p.

    • @timothygibney159
      @timothygibney159 Před měsícem

      Bite the bullet and go with AMD . The 7950x3d games are waaay smoother. I think the lags and micro stuttering was related to my 13900k. So far the 3d cache and ccd works correctly 💯 of every game. The newest AMD drivers and uefi updates fixed everything

  • @kapukse
    @kapukse Před měsícem +668

    Happy to use amd

    • @trunestor
      @trunestor Před měsícem +8

      I'm not (I have a laptop)

    • @lylewarren4391
      @lylewarren4391 Před měsícem +94

      butthurt intool fans replying to you are crying so hard lmao

    • @nabir14
      @nabir14 Před měsícem

      ​@@aurelia8028 gaintel

    • @ahmedelboghdadi5328
      @ahmedelboghdadi5328 Před měsícem +13

      First time ever to use an amd for me was at the beginning of the handheld pc era and I must say I'm really impressed! Took it a step further and decided to try one of those pre-built AMD eGPUs and again it hasn't disappointed at all! Watch out Intel!

    • @blackstone12
      @blackstone12 Před měsícem +1

      Same

  • @chris948_vr
    @chris948_vr Před 25 dny +1

    1:24 the "computer" in the stock footage is actually a air purifier lol

  • @grumpyoldwizard
    @grumpyoldwizard Před měsícem +1

    I am so very, very, glad that I went with 12th gen Intel. I bought my laptop 6 months before 13th gen came out. Having "new" CPUs coming in 6 months was a concern of mine but I went with the model I chose. Phew, that was close.

  • @bigsnop1607
    @bigsnop1607 Před měsícem +47

    This video validated my experience with my 14900k for the last year... ive had every single one of these problems and have had to underclock using extreme tuning utility to not bluescreen constantly. Im so mad i didnt just stick to amd

    • @other_perfection
      @other_perfection Před měsícem +2

      same here. it’s so not fun building high end PC and ending up with crashes in games😂

    • @WERT2025
      @WERT2025 Před měsícem +1

      Rumors say that 14 gen is just 13 rebranding

    • @Punkingamesss
      @Punkingamesss Před měsícem +1

      RMA

  • @vincentlee7937
    @vincentlee7937 Před měsícem +101

    LMAO anyone remember that intel snake oil chart it keeps aging like the finest of milk

    • @user-S853
      @user-S853 Před měsícem +2

      No?

    • @vincentlee7937
      @vincentlee7937 Před měsícem

      @@user-S853 search for “Gamer nexus intel snake oil”

    • @DanielFerreira-ez8qd
      @DanielFerreira-ez8qd Před měsícem

      ​@@user-S853 Look up their "core rules" presentation to business partners.

    • @mhtmhn
      @mhtmhn Před měsícem

      @@user-S853 Search for the intel "core truths" slide deck

    • @jonnyj.
      @jonnyj. Před měsícem +18

      Holy shit yea that was INSANE. The fact that even got approved, and went through the upper management who thought "yea, this looks sane, lets put this out PUBLICLY" is bonkers. Gamers nexus ripped them a new one :D
      Like holy fuck, that is really what helped with my next cpu being amd...

  • @cdv130
    @cdv130 Před měsícem +1

    SO glad I went with AMD for my new rig... The Intel option was not only more expensive but a power hog.

  • @FinanceNinja
    @FinanceNinja Před měsícem +2

    Intel's issue is that this seems to be a hardware problem... probably. They can't RMA these chips because they don't have a working alternative to provide. Replacing a faulty chip with another faulty chip will only create extreme customer frustration. The alternative is "Buy AMD" and Intel will never allow that.
    Intel is trying to buy time for the next generation where hopefully they fix the issue. What they do with the millions of faulty chips is yet to be seen.

  • @JodyBruchon
    @JodyBruchon Před měsícem +98

    I've never been upset about choosing AMD every single time.

    • @TheeGlocktopus
      @TheeGlocktopus Před měsícem +2

      Phenom? FX series? LLano and any other APUs? Sempron? And don't even get me started on Single Core/Thread performance. Sure, you might have 256 thousand cores, but that doesn't mean much when 99% of software can fully utilize four of them. Want to play the milsim ARMA 3? Better not have an AMD.

    • @JodyBruchon
      @JodyBruchon Před měsícem +14

      @@TheeGlocktopus Never had one regret. Owned every single one. Guess what didn't ever have Meltdown?

    • @Vanadium
      @Vanadium Před měsícem +4

      Uh you know what , Arma likes cache. You know what lots of cache is in? X3D.
      Even crappy optimised games like star citizen runs faster with that cache.

    • @nathanl2966
      @nathanl2966 Před měsícem +5

      At one point this kind of issue could have easily been an AMD thing, it's better to swing with the pendulum instead of being loyal to the soil.

    • @slimjim2321
      @slimjim2321 Před měsícem +5

      @@TheeGlocktopus Did you just wake up from some sort of experimental cryosleep program?You're about a decade behind in your Anti-AMD trash talking. Intel chips usually have way more cores than AMD chips nowadays on account of them tacking on 6-8 "efficiency" cores to everything. Hence we get "14" core i5s that perform like an AMD 6-8 core cpu but will win in multithread benchmarks that use the extra "efficiency" cores.
      You're also behind on the notion that only 4 cores get used. Alot of AAA games in recent years really suffer or won't even run properly on anything less than 6 physical cores.
      You're supposed to be complaining about AMD cpu firmware having bugs at launch or Zen 2 processors being in the Zen 3 lineup, or something like that.

  • @petrsehnal7990
    @petrsehnal7990 Před měsícem +216

    I think they know very well whats wrong. But they just dont want to admit it publicly.

    • @futuza
      @futuza Před měsícem +120

      Admitting it publicly, means admitting fault, and admitting fault means admitting liability for a massive class action lawsuit, and and admitting liability means line go down and line goes down means no extra billions.

    • @GinnyGlider
      @GinnyGlider Před měsícem +19

      @@futuza Okay, the way you summarized that in such a high-level overview had me laughing hysterically😄👌

    • @arsenii_yavorskyi
      @arsenii_yavorskyi Před měsícem

      ​@@futuza they just got their extra billions from the government.

    • @jarwarren
      @jarwarren Před měsícem +16

      "Diversity, equity, and inclusion have long been Intel’s core values and are instrumental to driving innovation and delivering strong business growth."
      I mean they say it right on their website

    • @antelope6826
      @antelope6826 Před měsícem +26

      @@jarwarrenthat has as much to do with Intel’s chip failures as a clone of Elon Musk…

  • @awesome8326
    @awesome8326 Před 18 dny +1

    Loaded up on INTC puts after watching this video when it was first published. At the time of writing intel is down 30% in 1 day. Thank you fireship
    Edit: Typo

  • @ejtaylor73
    @ejtaylor73 Před měsícem +76

    That's what happens when you just keep dumping more and more power into them instead of making actual architecture improvements, just to claim the highest clock speeds. Doesn't matter how high the clock speeds are if the chip burns out and doesn't work, you get no clock speed.

    • @arsenii_yavorskyi
      @arsenii_yavorskyi Před měsícem +12

      new reports suggest this isn't because of power.

    • @honkhonk8009
      @honkhonk8009 Před měsícem +6

      Their at the very limit of what architecture improvements they can implement.
      Problem with Intel is they refuse to spend a dime on improving how much cache their stuff has.
      Intel machines could be lightspeeds faster if they simply added more cache to their chips.

    • @lad5912
      @lad5912 Před měsícem +2

      New intel architecture will sacrifice rest of the chip until only the clock is left.

    • @Hexanitrobenzene
      @Hexanitrobenzene Před měsícem +3

      @@honkhonk8009
      Cache size depends directly on transistor density, and this depends directly on manufacturing technology. As Extreme Ultraviolet Litography is reaching its limits, improvements in manufacturing have become ridiculously costly.
      Intel produces it's own chips, while AMD uses services of TSMC. TSMC benefits from industry wide funding (for example, they also make Apple chips).
      I don't think Intel "refuses to spend a dime on improving how much cache their stuff has", it's just insanely costly.

  • @datacoderX
    @datacoderX Před měsícem +32

    I never trusted raptors. Everybody who has watched any part of the Jurassic Park franchise should know, they screw you over and eat you alive.

  • @clerothsun3933
    @clerothsun3933 Před měsícem +2

    Literally everyone with a raptor lake CPU now: any and all crashes are intel's fault!

    • @waitandhope
      @waitandhope Před měsícem +1

      True, I mean who the heck knows

  • @ataro2009
    @ataro2009 Před 25 dny +1

    it is sad that I am seeing this issue with my 13th gen...

  • @GavAttackO
    @GavAttackO Před měsícem +26

    Thank GOD I went with a 7800X3D instead of a i7-14700K in my recent PC replacement.

    • @johnsmith-ro2tw
      @johnsmith-ro2tw Před měsícem +1

      Wait. Isn't AMD an American company too ? Driven by the same moral values as intel and boeing ? That is greed, and more greed ? It's only a matter of time before similar issues happen at AMD (outsource anything and everything to india and wherever, don't raise employees salaries, raise top management's salaries to silly amounts, cut costs on innovation, etc...). Our hope is that the Koreans/Taiwanese/Japanese take over this industry.

    • @dondraper4438
      @dondraper4438 Před měsícem +3

      ​@@johnsmith-ro2twZen 5 will be a real wake up call for a lot of people.
      It's obvious AMD is positioning itself to announce some insane MSRP's with Ryzen 9000 series.

    • @axiilh
      @axiilh Před měsícem +1

      @@johnsmith-ro2tw AMD is a Taiwanese company

    • @lecoolstory
      @lecoolstory Před měsícem +4

      @@axiilh No, it's not. AMD is an American company. TSMC, the company that fabricates chips for AMD (including RDNA GPUs), is Taiwanese.

    • @majinbuu1337
      @majinbuu1337 Před 24 dny

      weren't 7800X3Ds literally exploding a year ago?

  • @Isaax
    @Isaax Před měsícem +96

    DAMN. The 7800X3D was a good call on my part.

    • @iikatinggangsengii2471
      @iikatinggangsengii2471 Před měsícem +3

      i like am5, its amd finally compete at highend gaming

    • @iikatinggangsengii2471
      @iikatinggangsengii2471 Před měsícem +1

      they usually only competitive against i5s but these 7000 series are champs and arguably winning if its watt/perf

    • @shyguy4617
      @shyguy4617 Před měsícem +13

      ​@@iikatinggangsengii2471Also usually winning in fps for most titles that use v cache

    • @wohnie39
      @wohnie39 Před měsícem +6

      I got the 7600X for my build since I was on a budget but I will be waiting patiently for the 9000 series and its X3D proposition

    • @vasy101
      @vasy101 Před 24 dny

      Best CPU

  • @ld2048
    @ld2048 Před 15 dny +1

    punish corporate greed and incompetencey, they have become too comfortable walking all over us

  • @ajrf92
    @ajrf92 Před 24 dny +1

    This is getting me bad vibes. I've bought a 13600K last January to replace the parts of my PC, and by now it's still working great, but after reading and watching this, I don't know what to think about. I hope not to spend another 300-350 bucks on a new CPU.

  • @JiajuChen
    @JiajuChen Před měsícem +29

    Dancing on rock is a great description, dancing on wasted sand would be more accurate.

  • @AbstractQbit
    @AbstractQbit Před měsícem +16

    3:41 Should've called it the Core report, smh

  • @nikhilkenvetil1594
    @nikhilkenvetil1594 Před měsícem +1

    That "electron dance around on a rock" was poetic.

  • @Jean-Denis_R_R_Loret
    @Jean-Denis_R_R_Loret Před měsícem +1

    The problem is now well known, it comes more from motherboard manufacturers providing default UEFI settings, not following specs recommanded by intel. Check everything and set manually every setting related to the CPU at the 1st start in order to follow CPU's specs, and your CPU should be fine, if you run default settings without a check, you are basically playing russian roulette with your CPU, with default parameters that over-volt the CPU when not needed (it's normally done for overclocking), even at default frequency, it's slowly destroy the CPU in a matter of weeks, and once done, the CPU is irreversibly damaged.
    Remember kids, it's not the frequency that kills a CPU, it's the voltage.
    I wonder if the problem exists at all with a 13/14th gen intel CPU mounted on an intel motherboard, if it does, so the problem comes from intel, otherwise it's time to check what other vendors are doing, especially those on the gaming segment.

    • @rhysfridays3871
      @rhysfridays3871 Před měsícem

      i have a 14900k on a z790 intel motherboard. No issues yet after 4 months hoping that stays the case.

  • @GMFocalFossa
    @GMFocalFossa Před měsícem +25

    I had a problem with Vbox and VMware where enabling 3d accerleration would lead in a 99% chance of the guest system crashing. I thought this was some kind of NVidia problem but no, probably my 13th gen intel core i7 processor.

    • @dooorrr
      @dooorrr Před měsícem

      Insane that I a comment about this, literally like 20 minutes ago I had to turn off the 3D accel because Ubuntu wouldn't start after upgrading from 22 to 24 LTS. 13700KF too, guess we're all fkd

    • @brokeDude2901
      @brokeDude2901 Před měsícem

      Underclock and pray then

  • @herpderp6255
    @herpderp6255 Před měsícem +23

    So around a year ago my coworker was building a new machine and it keep crashing and that thing uses a i9 13900K. He sacked the CPU over to me last February and I couldn’t figure out why it was crashing randomly eithe. I ended up contacting intel support to see if I can RMA the thing, but then told me to turn on Intel Fail safe mode in the BIOS, which then stopped those crashes. That was back just back in May. I mean, I got a free CPU, so I shouldn’t be complaining, but I can’t believe this shit is only being discovered now. I legitimately thought this i9 I have was just a faulty one off

    • @iikatinggangsengii2471
      @iikatinggangsengii2471 Před měsícem +1

      i honestly dont understand and dont have any intention on being understood, if they havent done i wait

    • @iikatinggangsengii2471
      @iikatinggangsengii2471 Před měsícem +1

      all i comperhend is whether the machines can be used and has proper performance and stability for usages

  • @ryanreedgibson
    @ryanreedgibson Před měsícem +2

    I hate to tell you; this isn't a 100% crash rate. Not at least with the 14900k. There is no way I won the silicon lottery 150 times.

  • @lazthegreat10
    @lazthegreat10 Před měsícem +1

    This is karma for decades of illegal business practices

  • @TheRealJacquesStander
    @TheRealJacquesStander Před měsícem +33

    This literally happened to me 2 months ago. Had a i9-13900KF shut down, bsod, gpu error, screens turn off all randomly degrading over time until I RMA'd the thing, had it replaced with a i9-14900KF and literally had the same issue and had to be replaced by yet another 14900KF.

    • @DsiakMondala
      @DsiakMondala Před měsícem +10

      Buy yet another one, it must be a fluke.

    • @Oruta563
      @Oruta563 Před měsícem +20

      If it fails again you should replace it with 14900KF again, who knows maybe this time it'll work

    • @sihamhamda47
      @sihamhamda47 Před měsícem +1

      If there is a trade in program in the computer stores near you, you could use it to sell your Intel motherboard and parts and trade it with AMD Ryzen processor and motherboard at much cheaper additional price

    • @johnsmith-ro2tw
      @johnsmith-ro2tw Před měsícem

      i5-13500 here. so far, no issues at all. fingers crossed i was lucky enough to get the good one. Also, i never play games.

    • @BrenoAgmL
      @BrenoAgmL Před měsícem

      I3 8100 here, since 2018 without issues.

  • @vandalphilosopher1971
    @vandalphilosopher1971 Před měsícem +18

    Has someone noted how Linus has been strangely silent about this problem and the situation that developers for windows arm are facing?

    • @stupidDKS
      @stupidDKS Před měsícem

      🤔

    • @Geralt26
      @Geralt26 Před měsícem +9

      I did not noticed as I dont watch this crap from longer time :). Initially I watched but had very bad opinion about this channel. You can notice right away it is not about reliable information or ethical but more "show" and "hype". He does not mention probably because she would make harm with "sponsors" (but as I does not watch it from longer time i can be wrong of course :) ).
      Ps. There was also other controversies with Linus later after i already dropped watching this channel.

    • @g00bergob94
      @g00bergob94 Před měsícem +13

      The Linus Tech Tips channel is mostly an entertainment channel now. They don't really ever do dedicated deep dives or videos about news. At most you get a TechLinked video with a 2 minute segment on it.

    • @n_core
      @n_core Před měsícem

      Maybe because the core issue is still under investigation.
      So that's why the main channel still hasn't covered this news. But Techlinked has certainly covered it a while ago.
      They don't want to rush to make a video about this thing currently. They learned their lesson of making rushed videos.

    • @dekjet
      @dekjet Před měsícem +2

      LTT really has nothing to add to the conversation here. It would make a very boring and unsatisfying video with no conclusion. Bascially only repeating information from other sources. This is not what LTT usually does on the main channel. Something like "The Most UNRELIABLE Gaming PC" would be a more LTTish way of covering a topic like that. But not as long as the story is still evolving.

  • @martinklein2201
    @martinklein2201 Před měsícem +1

    What if Intel knows what's the problem? Meaning unfixable hardware mistake. CPU's would have to be replaced, which would be super expensive for Intel. They will rather say we don't know the issue, if your chip dies, buy a new one.

  • @WeDevin
    @WeDevin Před měsícem +1

    "The gravy train on biscuit wheels is starting to derail "
    😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

  • @vyax
    @vyax Před měsícem +48

    Lol just noticed this while playing valorant on an i9-13900k. Had this video on the second display. Facepalm...

    • @vyax
      @vyax Před měsícem +21

      I've crashed twice in two days. Its been right after launching valorant and as soon as I load into the game the first time. When I reconnect after the reboot there isn't an issue. Got a 24hr ban for it hahahahah.

    • @ezicirako9055
      @ezicirako9055 Před měsícem +2

      Underclock and undervolt it

    • @berkertaskiran
      @berkertaskiran Před měsícem +26

      Underclock and undervolt doesn't solve it. Heck some say the opposite might be needed. This is a complex issue and it seems like all of these CPUs will deteriorate at some point. I would consider returning it if possible.

    • @Mhdurj
      @Mhdurj Před měsícem

      @@berkertaskirannah just buy new one when it breaks

    • @gtx1650max-q
      @gtx1650max-q Před měsícem

      nah that's just valorant

  • @HelloKolla
    @HelloKolla Před měsícem +214

    As someone who recently bought a Ryzen laptop, I feel like a dodged a goddamn bullet lol.

    • @infastin3795
      @infastin3795 Před měsícem

      You didn't wait for Strix Point?

    • @jprice_
      @jprice_ Před měsícem

      You know everyone was using intel to avoid this instability issue that was present on ryzens? 😅 Just google "is intel more stable than amd" and look at stuff from few years ago.

    • @Fantastika
      @Fantastika Před měsícem +33

      @@aurelia8028 AMD is top dog

    • @HolyRamanRajya
      @HolyRamanRajya Před měsícem +16

      loving my AMD handheld. It's been over a year with no major issues.

    • @sql64
      @sql64 Před měsícem +2

      i just bought a laptop with an i5-1340p but i think only the higher core count chips are having issues

  • @Mo.Ab.Ma-Ca
    @Mo.Ab.Ma-Ca Před měsícem +1

    Apple knew and they got out from Intel’s business.

  • @TheLegendaryBM
    @TheLegendaryBM Před měsícem +1

    I literally just reformatted because I thought Windows bugs....nope....just have a 13900k

  • @marshallgs
    @marshallgs Před měsícem +10

    Just had my first BSOD yesterday while making a RAR file. Confirmed that making a RAR file tanked my 14900k, but Cinebench was fine. After updating BIOS with the new Intel mitigations it's working for now.

  • @savagepro9060
    @savagepro9060 Před měsícem +11

    0:06 Intel's Ticking Bomb Inside!

  • @merlefi6162
    @merlefi6162 Před 12 dny

    This reminds me of the time when I was shopping for a new laptop sometime last year together with my dad. The staff at the shop showed us different units, one of which had an Intel CPU and some few others with AMD. On paper, the specs for the laptop in the shop with Intel seemed better than the one with AMD, though they cost nearly the same.
    My dad and I discussed about what to get. He told me that the laptop issued to him at his office has Intel and it ran fine (during that time), while I insisted that I prefer the one with AMD. I said that since I also like to play games, I've read that AMD CPUs were generally better than Intel. I also told him that since my old laptop which lasted for years has AMD, I wanted to get a laptop with an AMD again. In the end, I got the one with an AMD CPU (it's a Lenovo with an AMD Ryzen).
    At present it still works very well, both for gaming and for working! 😊

  • @shiv7978
    @shiv7978 Před měsícem +1

    0:42 overflowing stack HOW DID ANYONE NOT NOTICE THIS LMAO

  • @ashimarulovesyou
    @ashimarulovesyou Před měsícem +12

    Really glad right now that I decided to buy an Intel Core i9 14900K

    • @synen
      @synen Před měsícem

      The 14900K has issues too.

    • @ashimarulovesyou
      @ashimarulovesyou Před měsícem +5

      @@synen That is called sarcasm. It was the whole point of the joke.

    • @Bramagon
      @Bramagon Před měsícem

      You might be able to prevent or delay issues by making some changes in the bios if you're willing to experiment. My 13900k has been stable for over a year. I did however change some settings in my (gigabyte) bios the moment I got the chip.. In case you are interested: limited the wattage to intel recommended, disabled all gigabyte overclock settings, set the ac/dc loadline preset to medium (which slightly increases the base voltage iirc), undervolted the chip when under heavy loads using the vf points. (-100mv when all p cores are at 5.5-5.8ghz, -0.8~ at 5.4, -0.6 at 5.3 etc). I also reduced the SA voltage to 1.2v from the mobo default 1.28v. These settings have left me with a perfectly stable chip so far and no performance loss in benchmark. My ram is running at 7200mts with tuned timings using buildzoid recommendations and some experimenting myself.

    • @SmilingBakedBaguette
      @SmilingBakedBaguette Před měsícem

      You'll eventually get a refund, hopefully some compensation even. Good luck to you 🤞🏼

  • @zukaro
    @zukaro Před měsícem +7

    I'm glad I'm still running an i7-7700K. I can still play all my games at the highest settings. Windows 11 doesn't officially support it but it runs fine, so I've gotten about 7 years out of this CPU so far. I'm hoping to get at least a decade before I even consider upgrading.

    • @aname-kg3cb
      @aname-kg3cb Před měsícem

      well guess what my 10th gen intel is more stable than the 13th gen intel

    • @healthyasmr9246
      @healthyasmr9246 Před měsícem

      my i7 4770 from 2014 is more stable

  • @IamKingSleezy
    @IamKingSleezy Před 16 dny +1

    Update 8/4/24: It’s much worse than originally led to believe

  • @ShadowManceri
    @ShadowManceri Před měsícem +2

    It's not a rock, it's a mineral. And electrons are not dancing on it, quite the opposite. It is *an insulator* and gold is used as conductor.

  • @EliPorterMahn
    @EliPorterMahn Před měsícem +22

    So glad I went all amd this time, no melting power connectors, no unstable chips with glaring design flaws. Also was much cheaper while being only 10 percent behind

    • @alexlowe2054
      @alexlowe2054 Před měsícem +15

      After the mitigations that hurt performance, AMD isn't even behind anymore. If you've got a 7800x3D, you've got the fastest gaming CPU on the market.

  • @novantha1
    @novantha1 Před měsícem +18

    My understanding of the issue is that Intel's 12th gen processors were fairly good, but in order to get 13th/14th gen (they're basically the same gen, fight me) to market, they had to rush the architecture design, and they rapidly adapted 12th gen into a new architecture by adding more little cores and cache, but in rapidly adapting 12th gen into something it wasn't quite meant to be, they introduced the issues.
    I'm pretty sure future architectures won't have the issue, as they're ground up redesigns, but I'm also not sure enough to recommend my friends anything other than AMD until I've seen next gen intel chips lasting for more than two years.

    • @pplmacos
      @pplmacos Před měsícem

      If this were the case, Intel would quickly solve the existing problems, everything would be as transparent as possible, and silence most likely indicates that: either a deep quality check is being carried out, and I think that's why Intel is postponing the release of new products (maybe I don't know something, and that's just my guess), or a very expensive solution is required to cover the cost of marriage, which will radically change the approach to production technology

    • @allxtend4005
      @allxtend4005 Před měsícem +3

      you mean the 12th gen that finaly can catch up to ryzen 5000 when 10th and 11th gen failed ?
      dont be foolish, every Ryzen 5000 CPU is better then a intel 12th gen for sure and upgrade path of a 12th gen to 13/14 is something nobody want to risk even on a used market in a year.

    • @novantha1
      @novantha1 Před měsícem

      @@allxtend4005 In this context I meant "good" as in terms of reliability as it related to the specific issue in the video.
      Generally I've preferred Ryzen processors overall for every generation they've released as it always felt that they offered better value for what I wanted at the time, but it's not as though Intel chips haven't had reasons to buy them, as well.
      It's more a matter of what tradeoffs you're willing to accept, what you need out of your processor, and if you do custom workloads to the metal that can take full advantage of all the features available which you're paying for when buying the processor.

    • @MessyPointedBlob
      @MessyPointedBlob Před měsícem +1

      This isn't an architecture issue but a silicon level issue that has to do with process node and generation of the internal transistors.

    • @kailisse3267
      @kailisse3267 Před měsícem

      On a i9-12900T I had repeatable crashes. My solution was deactivating all efficiency cores.

  • @other_perfection
    @other_perfection Před měsícem +1

    I have one of these chips and I have crashes in games. Underclocking helped

  • @Riyozsu
    @Riyozsu Před měsícem +1

    OEMs wont complain about this because Intel has bribed them but the customer service department will have a bad month dealing with continuous complaints from customers.

  • @fotmheki
    @fotmheki Před měsícem +6

    I think it was also really hard to achieve a 100% rate failuire. Well done Intel!

  • @lachiem
    @lachiem Před měsícem +6

    I've been dealing with these issues since October last year, this sh*t started well before February 🙄

  • @handanyldzhan9232
    @handanyldzhan9232 Před 27 dny

    Intel really took the saying "it's better to burn out than fade away" to heart.

  • @ehtrude
    @ehtrude Před měsícem +1

    I own a 14600K, and some games like Terraria, and even Steam itself can crash the entire system. Happens on every OS, and even emulated games. Im starting to think that the CPU is to blame here... Anyone else has this issue?

  • @ydfhlx5923
    @ydfhlx5923 Před měsícem +80

    Tricking rocks into thinking for us was a mistake.

    • @oleg4966
      @oleg4966 Před měsícem +18

      Nah, it was a triumph.

  • @NIKHARCHHABHAYA
    @NIKHARCHHABHAYA Před měsícem +8

    1:39 your voice sounded like a real human, noticed for the first time

    • @brunopanizzi
      @brunopanizzi Před měsícem +1

      This part sounds AI generated

    • @smplchmp
      @smplchmp Před měsícem

      this was actually the only real audio clip

  • @donaldmahaya2689
    @donaldmahaya2689 Před měsícem +1

    The Boeing of the Chip industry

  • @datachu
    @datachu Před 25 dny

    "I don't think I could do a better job making a bunch of electrons dance around on a rock."
    A humble man.

  • @SharunKumar
    @SharunKumar Před měsícem +7

    Never thought I'd see a warframe mention on this channel

  •  Před měsícem +4

    I immediately went check which generation my chip is. 10th gen. Being broke saved me this time 🤣

  • @shaunk6822
    @shaunk6822 Před měsícem +1

    Haven't bought an Intel chip since before the AMD FX Bulldozer chips (2013). Originally because AMD was a lot cheaper so I could then get a better GPU. Now my recent upgrade was because AMD was better and cheaper. None of my AMD chips have given a single problem. Yes, the Bulldozer chip still works.

  • @BodySculptTV
    @BodySculptTV Před 26 dny

    I am running a 14900K and saw this taking shape since February of 2024 when I updated my bios with the latest Microcode at that time. Whatever update they made at that point ruined these 13th and 14th gen processors. Before that I was able to run my 14900k at 6.1Ghz all P-Core and 4.6 all E-core without any crashes or instability issues. Since then, I have had to run it on default settings of 5.7Ghz/P and 4.3Ghz/E and it runs stable within normal operating voltage. I believe my next processor will be AMD based, I am a bit tired of running in circles with Intel. Plus, the longevity of AMD based motherboards is truly outstanding.

  • @fromagetriste
    @fromagetriste Před měsícem +57

    the reason why i dont chose Intel is that, when i touch the laptops at the supermarket, the ones running on Intel are always super warm (when room température is 20°C)

    • @Xelixis
      @Xelixis Před měsícem +14

      ça devient du fromage fondu

    • @zoetje9817
      @zoetje9817 Před měsícem +33

      The cheese melts in the microwave, Intel chips melt Inside™

    • @dtibor5903
      @dtibor5903 Před měsícem

      I7-1355u here in a slim HP laptop, all good, not toasty, no crash, weeks of uptimes.

    • @dijital4801
      @dijital4801 Před měsícem

      @@dtibor5903 thats all very nice but what are you using it for? If ur just web browsing and using office that doesnt tell us anything besides the fact that it itsnt complete rubbish

    • @Komeuppance
      @Komeuppance Před měsícem +20

      Laptops at a supermarket is the first problem...

  • @VasyVasii
    @VasyVasii Před měsícem +6

    Gone are the days when Intel exclusively released processors on various sockets with only 4 cores and at increasingly higher prices😁