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- čas přidán 11. 05. 2023
- tire inserts are all over the news these days promising a low pressure puncture free existence. this is particularly attractive to the rigid rider in my opinion --- so maybe they are for me? are they difficult to install? how do they ride? well here is a long video documenting the process innnn reality
Eighteen minutes in and the wheels arent even on the bike. 10/10 video thanks for uploading!
Only a fellow bike pervert can watch a man installing a tyre for 25 minutes and be deeply interested by it. Nice video! 😂 Maybe I should check my sealant, it’s been on the wheels for over a year with zero punctures and/or checking! 😮
lol its true --- glad there are other pervs out there! and change out that sealant! it works until it doesn't --- then it reallllly doesn't 😵💫
Ronnie has long hair so it’s easier on the eyes
one day later, a flat tyre was experienced 😅
It was very satisfactory viewing 🚬😌
It is a rare gift where mundane content is great content. You have that gift. Simply an interesting man.
LOVE the vid. Tech tip, if not shared already... The Stans bottles and the larger refill bottles are made to dock with each other. Flip open large bottle, remove red tip from small bottle and insert into larger bottle until it clicks. Then flip entire unit upside down and alternate squeezing small bottle and big bottle until smaller one is sufficiently full. Flip back over and remove. You'll save SOOOOOO much sealant this way. Ride on brother!
Caught my GF watching the sweatpants scene twice already
I laughed, I cried, and I loved the scenery! All of the scenery. Best video yet!
I never saw so much confidence in one video !
Screw tubeless, screw inserts. Pump tubes up real high, like 45-50 lbs, lol. I know, I know, the traction is less, the shock absorption is gone, but they don't flat. I'd rather ride rock hard tubes all day than spend a dime on sealant. Old man yells at cloud, over and out.
Effortless mastery. But seriously, learned a lot here. Loved player Patz commentary.
Have considered running tire inserts…still considering it…
I just love me some analog technology! Like legs (that's bio tech even). Mechanical brakes. A steel rigid fork to steer your way through the real.
I've ran Cushcore on my Poseidon Redwood. There was a drop I did with a blind sharp rock. My rear wheel slammed right into it. My rim definitely got dented. But, I didn't catch a flat. And I still continued riding like normal. I only discovered the dent when I got home tho😂😂. As for mounting them on. I never had any issues with that. As long as you push that bead into the center of the rim, it's basically like mounting a tire without the insert. I just wish I put my cushcores on my Karate monkey before spring fling😭😭 that one rock caught me off guard. Greatful someone had a tire plug tho.
Don’t question the dynamic wisdom and experience of the Ultra Romance! Great call with the CO2. You made that look too easy. Nice Red Shred🤘
Oh and next time you’re in AZ I’d highly recommend the McDowell’s (Fountain Hills/ north Scottsdale) for some primo gravel. Perfect terrain for the Romanceur.
where have you been all my life? absolutely superb!
Great confidence booster. So ,it is not just me who sometimes finds installation of tubeless a huge learning process. Also a great opportunity to test my level of patience and willingness to learn from my many mistakes......
Every spring I curse tubeless when it comes to getting the bikes out of winter slumber and re-sealing the tubeless tires but the benefits are worth it the rest of the year.
it really builds character! tubeless set ups and all their quirks continue to test my skills, patience, and creativity. thanks tubeless tires! lol
I've been using tubeless since well before Stan's ever existed. It was a DIY only thing back then. Invented by DHers sick of flats. I adapted my setups to long distance endurance riding. We even 'brewed' homemade sealant or used 4wd products. It's far cheaper!
I still rock ghetto (split tube) tubeless. Its the original tubeless hack. It's still the most reliable by far..... It also feels much like a supple sew up, since the construction is quite similar. Wicked traction, feel and cornering! I wish I could afford a set of handmade XC sew ups. I used Paris Roubaix style fat tubulars waaay back in The day when I raced road and 'cross
I used such road tubs off-road on singletrack and very rarely got flats as well. My pro quality tubs NEVER flatted until they were worn thin. Hand made expensive tubulars WILL make you a tire snob for life, but you need to push the limits of traction to realize this. Most folks are afraid to crash.....But supple tubeless tires come pretty darn close.
I remember the awful pinner 19mm clinchers! Tried them one ride back in the day. Simply unsafe!
The beauty of split tube is that the rubber tire seals naturally to the split rubber tube, now a rimstrip. Latex in the sealant is natural rubber that glues everything together. The only failures I've EVER experienced were tires torn on sharp rocks, (this happens to any tire) or self induced, PERSONAL failures, like forgetting to air up preride like an impatient child, then rolling off the freakin tire. Not pretty! OR forgetting to add fresh sealant. None of these failures are design issues. I carry a plug kit but never needed it. I love extremely rocky rooty technical trails and riding to extremely remote areas for a few days at a time. Climbing these sort of rough trails trials style is a whole bunch of fun!
In retirement I wrench in a shop for fun and laughs. I've tried nearly every tubeless system that exists and many different tire/rim combos. Tubeless repairs, installs and maintenance are a daily chore at our shop at the bottom of a 3000 ft mountain. How a particular tire fits a particular rim is the key to realizing success. Manufacturing tolerances in the bike industry are quite a joke! I'm a retired high reliability machinist and mechanical inspector. Nobody's fooling me! I prove this fact every freakin day at the bike shop. True manufacturing standards, QC or engineering 'standards'
are a really bad joke! It's really easy to prove on nearly any new production bike. It's also why I refuse to buy them at industry discounts. No bike business can afford the meticulously documented 'quality assurance' standards we used in the high reliability industries. Things that human lives and or vast amounts of money depend on. Ironically, human lives also rely on relatively cheap bicycles. Rant finished....
The BEST way to test your tubeless set up is to inflate your tire first without any sealant in the tire. Get a compressor! To ensure reliability, it should hold air on its own for at least 20 minutes. If not, add tape and or improve the seal. I've done setups where tires held pressure sans sealant for 10 days and counting. The only reason for sealant was to stop punctures.
You're on the right track there! Be patient and persistent!
LEARN from your mistakes. It's a new process to learn. It can be frustrating at times, but the results are worthwhile if you're a hardcore rider who maintains their junk! The set and forget types who only fix things when it's broken will despise tubeless, guaranteed. I've seen this issue hundreds of times.
Once you find a good rim/tire combo stick with it and stock up.
I haven't had a pinch or puncture flat in 20 years. No joke!
Pinner high pressure road tubeless (big fat tubeless road tires are great) is something this professional will NEVER EVER recommend, but its certainly job security and profit for us!
When a customer insists and thinks they know more than I do from marketing BS, I gladly and simply take their freakin money. Just like taking candy from babies, literally. There's a sucker born every minute 😂
@@rollinrat4850I swear this sounds like a comment AI would write.
@@SoyAmericano Haha, I'm an old dude who doesn't care much for modern technology. I might certainly survive without it. It's merely a tool to be used. New bike 'technology' is merely job security for me. I actually enjoy DIY and getting my hands dirty
AI is going to bite someone in the ass eventually. I heard recently a drunk person crashing a 'self driving' Tesla, lost a lawsuit against the company. They also got arrested for DUI. I hope they paid Tesla's legal fees too.
Great job! Better than my first time. I even put the tire on backwards and had to redo it.
OMG must have been horrifed after you inflated the tire, give it a final check and realize the tire direction is wrong way. 😅
Haha, practice makes perfect!
For my customers I must install tires in correct orientation. It's simply professional. The rare occasion I put one on backwards is a real buzzkill.
But personally I dont find the direction that important. That's not what slows me down! I often turn my tires around after they're about 1/2 worn. It will get you longer tire life and sometimes even works better in muddy terrain. I keep using tires until they slip out bad on hard torquey climbs. Cycling was supposedly a 'green sport'.....
Tires have become ultra pricey. It's insane! We sell certain Maxxis that cost $110. They're sticky, awfully heavy, but take serious abuse. They don't have anywhere near the feel of sweet tires like the UltraD's or Rene Herse.
My teenager saw me watching this and said “Doobie Brothers”
Even the hike and bike part was impressive 👏
Im an aspiring trail scholar, I put a cushcore in my rear wheel for mtn biking to save my rim from more dents. I had a similar amount of character building for the install but did it alone to avoid the peanut gallery heckling that patz was dishing out. That’s disappointing to hear that you still dinged your rim even with the cushcore. That’s the main selling point to save a rims life!
the ding was bound to happen. felt like I really needed to test how low I could go limbo style
I’ve pinch flatted multiple times with cushcore on reserve rims + maxxis exo+ casing. It helps but it’s far from indestructible.
The moment you opened the CO2 valve and we, the public, heard that bead pop was nothing short of poetry. Also when are the 650B trash cans landing in your web shop?
EXACTLY 🤙
I love writing poems like that!
@@ultraromance I do feel like tubeless was invented by peevish gods, purely for their celestial amusement.
I think they are worth it. Less dings and flats. More grip and stability in corners. Just use some better tubeless sealant (orange seal) you are Gucci. 5-6 psi less sounds about right from my experience.
That Big Bend to Sedona hop was impressive!
several inches of air!
I tried Cushcore. I gave up after 1hour install and destroyed finger tips. That was on 35 mm gravel King tires. I think you have to have at least 25mm internal rims and 45 -48 mm tires. I think if you can fit them in, they make sense and are great for that extra Cush and protection.
ooof, now that was what I was expecting ... glad it went easy on me
I just subscribed. I like you and the cameraman. Both are funny good guys🤙🙏
For cushcore if you put the tire on one side of the rim. Put the core in, stretch it on, then start putting the tire on the other side. Add a zip tie real tight around the tire and rim to keep it in the center. Work the other side on and you are in.
It’s nice to hear someone else likes joints and cycling combo!
Ha- Nice video. I have the Vittoria inserts in my Gravelbike - you actually cut them to size and stitch them with a cable tie - easy install and they are close to the rim for the protection and don’t interfere too much with the tire - but not for wide tires - they are optimized for 38-40 mm
Man... that was entertaining. What a great style of video.
You need an imperial 26” dustbin …. The Alfred P. Doolittle model is a corker…. 😉😀👍🏾
I think I could have changed several flat tires in the time it took to put those inserts in. I'm sure they're better than the old Tuffy tire liners but I would rather have the squishy ride than flat prevention. As a side note, I've gone to tubulars and sealant on my MTB and gravel. We don't have the thorns and spikey rocks like other parts of the country. Like riding on pillows, they're just hard to find.
I would LOVE to ride MTB tubulars. really the ultimate euro flex
You could home walked home by now. ❤❤❤❤😂😂😂😂
The song about the tire in the background broke me… 😂😂😂
Love to see you're a fan of the cushcore! I don't ever see taking mine off.
thanks for the moral support on this one Kyle!
Enjoyed this tire install
I’m running my race casing tyres with Tubolito tubes, just to keep some independence you know.
I have the Victoria Air Liner. I had them set up with Schwalbe Thunderburt 650bX2.0. Worked great. Then I switched to a bit knobbier Rene Herse Juniper Ridge in a 48mm. Couldn’t get the Air Liner to fit with the 48mm. Bummer, but if I go back to the Thunderburts, or another 2.0” tire, I’ll put them back in.
I'm still listening and wanting to know how I get the trail scholar certification? It is an internship position? Does it involve making the dynamic choice?
I'm still not sure if tire inserts are for me, but...this one makes it on the Greatest Hits album for sure. Peace! -Greg
Shaken, not stirred - an excellent way of bonding your tires
The difference in psi between smacking your wheel before you can do anything about it to just enough plus to avoid hitting the rim while dancing over the terrain is everything. Magic when you get it just right
Peanut butter, jelly, chocolate and a couple joints? Now that's a sandwich.
great textures and a smoky finish
So, I've been kinda into Cushcore lately, but it's pretty obscure. You can only get it in a few places in Oregan. You've probably never even heard of it...
Sounds like a cool product Kush Core. I'll check it out in the future. Thanks Ultra Romance.
I tried a Vitoria airliner. It would stretch inside the tire over the course of a few months. Seemed to throw the balance off having this fun noodle thing wobbling around free of the rim once it had stretched enough. I must have resized it like 5 times and eventually just got tired of it. Also, I don't think it offered much protection, mostly just designed to take up volume.
It's interesting technology. First I've seen it. Now I'm wanting to run the dad bike with tubeless cush cores or tubeless for that matter. Still full 90s technology on that rig.
I'm just never going to understand, why run a super light super supple tire, if you're just going to beef it up with all this other finnicky stuff to make sure you don't get a flat?
What's the point of tryna go fast, if you're just gone wind up spending more time on the side of the road?
the glove like grip of a light casing tire is an addictive flavor-- fun thing about these inserts is that you get to run the tires super low so they go even more glove like on the terrain without risking the pinch flat and rim dent. the flexible part of the tire still gets to do its thing, but as the "suspension" progresses, it bottoms on the foam instead of the bare rim then hence pinches a tubeless set up. its been fun to follow in road racing too --- I like playing around with this kinda stuff --- would I say its a must have? probably not --- but it did make it possible for me to ride the tires I wanted in Sedona without obliterating my wheels.
Just add more sealant
funniest video maybe ever, thankyou boys
I was way too entertained and amused by this.
Haha, it just occurred to me to just squirt in some expanding foam.
I'm gonna try this on some cheap wheels!
Im considering tennis balls.or pool noofles. Thanks for the cameo on the cush core liner now i know what not to buy! Thanks for the vidio.
props for getting thru highline on that bike! try it on a suspended bike with a dropper and some discs - could be a little more enjoyable and less time death gripping the brake levers. i love both new and old bikes - i think your input is valuable to make sure we arent forgetting the simplicity and beauty of a bicycle... even tho technology is quickly changing mtb
Was thinking/felt the same way watching him drop in on that bike 😅.
I had the same problem with the race sealant. It cannot be injected via a valve. I stuck to non-race stans sealant.
I had to order their own brand heavy tire leavers in order to install the cushcores... a real struggle but worth it to know I could basically roll home on a flat if I have to now!
I wrench in a shop. We like Pedro's plastic levers best. You can also use Park's extra long steel levers or even longer motorcycle tire levers that I carry for my 4wd tire repairs.
BUT you MUST be very careful with that sort of leverage. It can and will damage rims. I wouldn't recommend this AT ALL on plastic (carbon) rims. Ironically, they often have some of the tightest fits of all. Enve has to be one of the worst rims in this respect.
@@rollinrat4850 Awesome advice, cheers! Not looking forward to next re-install on them but it should at least be easier now that the cushcore has stretched in... I added the Pedro's to my wish list but I'm not even sure it was a purely leverage problem, the things are just awkward to work with and my fingers are not the strongest!
@@RichTeaChannel When you install any tight tires, try working with the wheel on top of a round trash can. This puts it at a good height where you can better utilize your upper body strength as well as your weight.
Late summer and fall is thorn season in my area. We also call it flat season. One day I repaired 15 flat tires at work and several more tubeless services as well. That's my record so far. I wasn't the only one repairing tires either.
Every year this is when I wake up with throbbing hands! I put them in ice water sometimes and there's a big bottle of ibuprofen in my workbench! I've worked with my hands at various jobs all my career for about 45 years. Wrenching on bicycles (besides the freakin yard work I hate) has to be the hardest workout for my hands.
Grey Sweatpants Season is back!
Are you new? 😂😂😂❤❤❤
This seems very complicated 😕. Confidence dissolving rapidly. Don't try this at home.😂😂😂😂
Is a trash can required for this operation? 🗑
Great video, nuff laughs. 😃 😀 😄 😁 ❤❤❤
What's the Parktool number for the 650b trashcan?
That damn race sealant cloggs everything! Should definitely only be used for Racers
Planning to run inserts with Robusto tires. From your experience, is that overkill or are race tires enough when riding in rocky trails, like the one you rode in this video?
hello! depending on how rocky the stuff you are planning on riding is really. if you plan to really let loose through some chunky sharp rock stuff like they have out west, I would recommend ... but for most of the riding in the east coast, the rocks are a lot more worn and rounded. the robust casing has a nylon breaker that does pretty well against pinch flats without anything --- but for those big rocks on a rigid bike out west, I think I'd use em on everything
I was dying at that 650b trashcan
I eat tons, got heavy, and can keep high pressure and still get great traction! Easy
“Our judges agree, they roll really big joints, too.”
Love big joints. 😂😂😂😂😂❤❤
Was thinking of crossing over to tubeless but was thinking of just getting the Tires with Kevlar already in them any thoughts on them ? I do have a 650b trash can though so I’m half way there .
hi Greg ::: there are several tires including our ultradynamico robust casing that have sturdier sidewalls that would cause fewer pinch flats with your tubeless set up. the kevlar puncture belts added to some tires only line the tops of the tires to help prevent punctures on top --- something you don't really need to worry about much with tubeless as there is more rubber on the tops of tires and they seal with little issues mostly with fresh sealant. the Cush core would be the recommended way to go if you find you want to run lower pressures (about 5-7 psi) and not risk bottoming out on your rim.
@@ultraromance those silly companies putting reinforcements at the top... don't they realize 100% of all flats occur at the bottom of the tire? there's really some room for innovation here. get in that market niche.
Ron, you and Zach Galafanacus? (Patz?, the mentor) make a great team. I’ll check back in a few days and see what happens
i like my airshot for seating tyres. more analogue than an electric compressor
ive had mixed results with the specialized version ive had for a few years. some set ups just need so much air ---- maybe I need to try a different brand. used to bring it with me in the van for scenarios like this
Did u make your pants from a sleeping bag? 😂
The real question is what pants/trousers are those?
thank you sir
Keep making videos. ❤
Most interesting, but I’m not sure tire inserts are for me.
Fascinating - thank you
Time to make some wheels outta some steel drums.
What schlubby outfit??
That 650b trash can! 😂😂😂💀
I tried the velo inserts it's not as good
Where can I find a 29er garbage can? They don't seem widely adopted yet.
2:39 is the worst feeling in the world, with 1/3 of the rim to go :(
“Tannus armor” seems to be a popular alternative to Cush core these days
Thanks for the vids Ron dog :)
I need some suspenders for my riding pantaloons. Are there any nice suspenders for riding?
these dickies ones are pretty good I would say.
"total frustration"! Is it worth it,?
Hey Ronnie 🎉
hiiiiiii!
sleeping bag trousers?
Hilarious!! 😂
pats makes it so i could stand the whole 24min
its nice to have a grill like him to fry on
😊
you could dub over with audio about your pants and this video would still work.
Think I’ll stick with tubes
if it weren't my job to try all this stuff, I would only use tubes too ---
@@ultraromance fair enough…I don’t envy you tho’
In the land of goats heads, liners are critical.
15 PSI even on a 2.4 Width tire is very Low! Lowest me and my buddies go is 17 or 18!
thats where I go now ... had to give that 12-15 a try though!
the 650b trashcan trick is very useful 🤣
The comments 😂
650b trashcan😂
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🖖
there is nothing analog about low tire pressures nor is there anything digital about suspension
thanks for the English lesson
funny. I hate cushcore.
Funny, I hate drugs.
CO2 is a brilliant idea.
I thought you were against Capitalism..😂..I guess I’ll start selling stuff too..
I sell all sorts of things for many years now, but not cushcore if thats what you were implying
We all have to eat! ;-)
Capitalism and Merchantry are very different from one another- have you read much Marx?
😂 Probably the first time seeing you a bit vulnerable while doing anything bike related, but still 🦸 superhuman