Thank you and for everyone criticizing for not simply removing the toilet I’m a 55 year old woman trying to lay this floor in my bathroom by myself. I don’t have the money to pay someone to do it and I’m not able to lift my toilet. I know enough to know if I remove the toilet I have to buy another seal. I would rather cut around it than go through removing the toilet. Btw if you can remove the toilet you don’t need this video in the first place so keep moving.
L C I've been in this business along time and I've seen flooring installed every way possible. There are alot of egotistical installation installers or floor layers or flooring techs whatever they want to call themselves and most SUCK!!! So put the flooring in the best you can and move on to the next project chances are your the only one who will notice anyways. Good luck......
@@davidkamer3194 well said. I've been fitting 33years. And still know I've not got it all figured out, if it's works it works.. To many know it all's. Or as we say here in England.. All the gear, but no idea..😁
Honestly the only reason I clicked on this video was looking for different techniques described around random PERMANENT obstacles. It just so happened that this random obstacle was a toilet. Although I myself would never scribe around a toilet I would lift it out and cut out the flange. But you're correct, not everyone has the ability to do that; and so for the diyre or the elderly, then this is a good fit. But As far as the money goes, if you're having somebody else install your floor and they cannot move a toilet maybe they shouldn't be in a home renovation field. Just saying toilet removal is about one of the easiest things you can for anyone that considers themselves a contractor or a Home Improvement specialist it's actually easier than most sinks and so not removing it and calling yourself a professional pretty much makes you a hack. And my reasoning for it isn't just for the purposes of easiness or for leaks, it's for the purpose of replacement of the toilet. Toilets don't always last forever. Sometimes they developed cracks, sometimes an accident may happen where something they fall into it and crack it. Anywho the point is that sometimes toilets need to be replaced and they don't all have the exact same profile. So now this floor that he laid for this person has to have their floor redone if they ever need to replace that toilet. By removing the toilet and simply cutting out the flange it removes that aspect of the floor ever having to be touched if the toilet needs to be replaced. Same reason why when I install floors in a kitchen remodel; my floors are installed wall-to-wall before any of the kitchen counters and cabinets. This way if they ever decide to remodel down the road the floor never has to be touched and they don't have to special order something to fit exactly what was there before. It leaves the remodeling option open to the homeowner. So again awesome for the diyre, the elderly, or the homeowner that decides they want to do this and is not planning to ever remodel or replace fixtures. But shoddy craftsmanship if you're a professional.
I could never work out how to do this before seeing the video but now it seems quite simple. Thanks for sharing, I don't know why everyone's got their knickers in a twist about whether to remove the toilet. 🤦♀🤣
Of course it would be "easier" to remove the toilet! But, if you are a single woman over 65, this is the way to go! Thanks for this video! Remember, not everyone are know it alls like some of you!
Dividers also work well for pattern scriding and are a little quicker. I have been to just about every manufacturer floor training school in the country over the last 35 years. Armstrong used to have a two week course where they taught how to pattern every type of resilient covering. Once you learn that type of thing, you'll be amazed at how often you'll apply it to other aspects of carpentry.
An empty thread reel is great as a scribe for this using the hole in the middle for the pencil. Its a little quicker than using a straight edge but both get the same result. Been a joiner for over 40 years now.
No mate professionals take the toilet out . This is what cowboys do when they cant remove a toilet because 1.incompetant 2.lazy 3. They shouldnt be laying flooring.
Roll of 2m lining paper. I was taught back marking to fit linoleum and marmolium and safety floor like polysafe and altro. This then works for anything. Can't go wrong doing it this way, like this chap has shown.👍🏻
I could NOT remove the toilet. The new flooring is not above the base. The old flooring is underneath and the new is cut perfectly to fit around it and caulked. It looks beautiful. If the wax ring goes bad, it’ll be no different than if I didn’t replace the floor.
If the wax ring leaks it will now be trapped under the flooring. You should always remove toilet and install flooring underneath toilet. Make sure you have a new wax ring when you reset the toilet.
If the toilet is not leaking and you’re just replacing the floor, why make it harder than it needs to be? I live alone and don’t have someone to help remove the toilet/replace wax ring etc. If the toilet starts leaking, I’ll deal with that.
Buffy Vachon if you install new flooring that will lay higher than the base of the toilet and then you seal it, you will never know if it does leak. It will trap the water and could cause water damage, mold etc... it will be much harder addressing all the issues later that can occur from installing the floor incorrectly now.
Ignore the negative comments mate. Did my sons downstairs toilet and the last people living there had stuck it down and to add to that put self leveling compound around it. 😂😂. Unscrewed the toilet but it wouldn't budge. Absolutely solid. Thanks for the tip.
Remove the toilet and save yourself some major headaches. Also by interlocking planking for a bathroom. The stuff he is using is equivalent to using wrapping paper
There's nothing wrong with doing it this way,esp if the vinyl floor gets damaged or you want to change the style of flooring,maybe updating the look,who the hell wants to remove a toilet to lay down cheap vinyl flooring?,JMO mind you,don't lose your minds on me😄
A quicker way of doing this is to cut a smaller hole out of the template to begin with, then cut the template to fit the toilet perfectly and draw around it on the plank.
Awesome job mate!! If the customer doesn’t remove toilet I just hack into it and tell the customer to get the toilet siliconed. That way I have 3-4mm to play with 😁
Not a bad technique for scribing around immovable objects. If possible always remove toilet this technique can prolong seeing evidence of a leaking toilet witch can lead to structural damage. Also many people may try this with a non glue down product such as a free floating product in witch case will not leave room for product to expand.
Some people don't have that option for various reasons. I have picked up toilets and installed new wax rings, for example. At 76 that's not something I want to do these days. Folks, like myself, need an alternative method that does not call for paying a plumber $150-$200 to do a 10 minute job. Save those dollars for the time I do need to call one.
The same amount of gap is used when transferring the markings on the cardboard to the vinyl. In this case, the gap was the thickness of the ruler. When drawing the line on the vinyl, keep one edge of the ruler on the drawn line and mark a new line on the vinyl on the opposite side of the ruler. Keep repositioning the ruler as the new line is marked. As easier way to do the same thing is with a compass. Even easier is to use a contour gauge, also called a profile gauge from the hardware store.
As you are going to seal it all round anyway , why not put a little silicone bead on the floor all around the toilet before the vinyl goes down ( then you might better stop water getting under the flooring from above whilst cleaning if the top seal is damaged . )
The comments here are hilarious. On one hand, armchair experts telling a flooring company how to do a job I'm sure they know how to do/have done properly many times over, but are making a video for people who insist on doing it this way and just need guidance. On the other, a ridiculously bad defense from people insisting on doing it the wrong way because of pride. I get the sentiment that you're single/frail and can't lift it, but what about kids/grandkids? Neighbors? Coworkers? Church members? Teenager down the street doing odd jobs to save for college? I don't know anyone in my network who wouldn't be willing to do this for free, let alone for 5-10 bucks. If a neighbor asked me, I'd assist with the whole flooring job!
Some areas people live in is a code violation to caulk or seal your toilet. If you are going to sell your house and are doing this to improve the sale, remove the toilet or check your local city codes. You don't want to end up with a violation then have to pull up the toilet anyway and now you have a bigger mess to deal with.
Don’t do this, what if you need to replace toilet in future, now you have to redo floor. Remove toilet (2 screws and water line to disconnect and $10 for a new wax ring). No need to precision cut anything and will look much better.
The actual correct way to do this is buy a baked potato 🥔 from a reputable seller and squish it around the perimeter of the customers house and without fail every time you will have the desired results
Isn't it better to remove the toilet and install the new flooring under the toilet? Otherwise if the toilet needs to be replaced in the future with a toilet with a different footprint you may have a problem
As a flooring contractor, sorry but the proper way is to take the toliet out. Not only for a cleaner look but also because a floor will expand and contract so putting it up directly against the toliet could cause the floor to push up against the toliet resulting in peaking in spots. And according to all the plumbers I talk to you arent supposed to caulk around the toliet so leaving an expansion gap and filling it with caulk is not a good idea either.
easier with a compass or a scribe bar. see you did not show the back scribe which is more awkward lol. this is just the normal way to do this but I guess some people dont know good share
Thank you and for everyone criticizing for not simply removing the toilet I’m a 55 year old woman trying to lay this floor in my bathroom by myself. I don’t have the money to pay someone to do it and I’m not able to lift my toilet. I know enough to know if I remove the toilet I have to buy another seal. I would rather cut around it than go through removing the toilet. Btw if you can remove the toilet you don’t need this video in the first place so keep moving.
L C
I've been in this business along time and I've seen flooring installed every way possible. There are alot of egotistical installation installers or floor layers or flooring techs whatever they want to call themselves and most SUCK!!! So put the flooring in the best you can and move on to the next project chances are your the only one who will notice anyways. Good luck......
Same here! I can do this by myself now ❤️
@@davidkamer3194 well said.
I've been fitting 33years.
And still know I've not got it all figured out, if it's works it works..
To many know it all's.
Or as we say here in England..
All the gear, but no idea..😁
I have a reusable rubber seal. It works just as good as any kind of wax ring.
Honestly the only reason I clicked on this video was looking for different techniques described around random PERMANENT obstacles. It just so happened that this random obstacle was a toilet. Although I myself would never scribe around a toilet I would lift it out and cut out the flange. But you're correct, not everyone has the ability to do that; and so for the diyre or the elderly, then this is a good fit. But As far as the money goes, if you're having somebody else install your floor and they cannot move a toilet maybe they shouldn't be in a home renovation field. Just saying toilet removal is about one of the easiest things you can for anyone that considers themselves a contractor or a Home Improvement specialist it's actually easier than most sinks and so not removing it and calling yourself a professional pretty much makes you a hack. And my reasoning for it isn't just for the purposes of easiness or for leaks, it's for the purpose of replacement of the toilet. Toilets don't always last forever. Sometimes they developed cracks, sometimes an accident may happen where something they fall into it and crack it. Anywho the point is that sometimes toilets need to be replaced and they don't all have the exact same profile. So now this floor that he laid for this person has to have their floor redone if they ever need to replace that toilet. By removing the toilet and simply cutting out the flange it removes that aspect of the floor ever having to be touched if the toilet needs to be replaced. Same reason why when I install floors in a kitchen remodel; my floors are installed wall-to-wall before any of the kitchen counters and cabinets. This way if they ever decide to remodel down the road the floor never has to be touched and they don't have to special order something to fit exactly what was there before. It leaves the remodeling option open to the homeowner. So again awesome for the diyre, the elderly, or the homeowner that decides they want to do this and is not planning to ever remodel or replace fixtures. But shoddy craftsmanship if you're a professional.
The easy way I have found is toilet mat, which makes perfect curve around toilet flange, can be used as a template
Great idea
Good idea 💡
Your a genius I’ve been racking my brain how to do this, thank you 🙏
@@ClaireS65 10 minutes to remove and 5 to take back. Make floors nice. Cheats are ok but ...... )))
Now that’s a great idea
When he laid that tile after cutting it... It just made me smile, had this big grin on my face, I love watching perfect DIY skills!
You can also use a little metal washer put your pencil in the middle of the washer and roll it around the toilet
That's brilliant.
Great idea!!
I could never work out how to do this before seeing the video but now it seems quite simple.
Thanks for sharing, I don't know why everyone's got their knickers in a twist about whether to remove the toilet. 🤦♀🤣
This video saved me. Was redoing my bathroom floor this weekend and could not figure out what to do. Thank you for the idea.
Of course it would be "easier" to remove the toilet! But, if you are a single woman over 65, this is the way to go! Thanks for this video!
Remember, not everyone are know it alls like some of you!
I've known a number of women over 65 that would have no problem removing and reinstalling the toilet.
@@njsongwriter Nevertheless, a large majority of homeowners of all ages are rightly concerned about removing and replacing a toilet correctly.
Awww mate, absolutely what I'm looking for. Cheers for uploading.
mufuliramark l o op
That is a damn brilliant idea. I pulled my toilet, but this will work great for the water shut-off valve.
Thank you, so helpful!! You were simple & used basic tools throughout this video, thanks again
Brilliant Idea. I'm too afraid to mess up the toilet. I could use your method. Thanks for the video. 🍺😎
Dividers also work well for pattern scriding and are a little quicker. I have been to just about every manufacturer floor training school in the country over the last 35 years. Armstrong used to have a two week course where they taught how to pattern every type of resilient covering. Once you learn that type of thing, you'll be amazed at how often you'll apply it to other aspects of carpentry.
Good video just one criticism, you don’t want to cut your tile on top of already laid tiles you run the risk of scratching the installed ones.
I'm surprised how many fitters do this and when called out on it they say you shouldn't be inspecting the floor that close. How stupid!
Did it! Thank you 😉😃👍🙌 it came out really close. Great tip!!!!
You make that look so easy!
An empty thread reel is great as a scribe for this using the hole in the middle for the pencil. Its a little quicker than using a straight edge but both get the same result. Been a joiner for over 40 years now.
or a steel washer even better!
Are they also known as a Thread Spool or do you mean something different? Great trick btw
Awesome video. Doing a vinyl plank install for a client next week with this same situation.
Thanks Adam, Hopefully it turned out well :)
This worked perfectly! Thank you!
Thank you. I have been looking for how to do this & you explain it so easily!
Thank you :)
No mate professionals take the toilet out . This is what cowboys do when they cant remove a toilet because 1.incompetant
2.lazy
3. They shouldnt be laying flooring.
Thank you for this! I'll be using this tip soon. Top work 😉
Thank to you mate im been able to do this work by myself and surprised my dad for it.
Definitely a great scribing tip, good stuff!
Roll of 2m lining paper.
I was taught back marking to fit linoleum and marmolium and safety floor like polysafe and altro.
This then works for anything.
Can't go wrong doing it this way, like this chap has shown.👍🏻
Use a metal round washer it will do the same thing 👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼
Wow, I’ve been trying to figure this out all day! Thank You!
Read above correct comments. You have to remove toilet to do correctly, this makes a problem waiting to happen
I could NOT remove the toilet. The new flooring is not above the base. The old flooring is underneath and the new is cut perfectly to fit around it and caulked. It looks beautiful. If the wax ring goes bad, it’ll be no different than if I didn’t replace the floor.
@@allendavisiii5633 What will happen?
I used to delay when ever I reached this point till I learnt this simple way
👏🏼 Bravo! Finally! Thank you sir 🥳
That turned out great !’but can you continue with the rest of the toilet?
So neatly done. 🥰
TFS I had a difficult shape to cover and this method did the trick.
Very neat job fella
Genius, thanks!
Great little profile hack 👌🏼
If the wax ring leaks it will now be trapped under the flooring. You should always remove toilet and install flooring underneath toilet. Make sure you have a new wax ring when you reset the toilet.
Ty (from a complete novice) for explaining that. Another guy commented & only said 'remove the toilet 1st' without any further explanation.
Not if you fit the flooring properly and use mould resistant silicone
N Gauge England -Synthematix- fitting the floor properly and applying mold resistant caulking would not fix a leaking wax ring.
If the toilet is not leaking and you’re just replacing the floor, why make it harder than it needs to be? I live alone and don’t have someone to help remove the toilet/replace wax ring etc. If the toilet starts leaking, I’ll deal with that.
Buffy Vachon if you install new flooring that will lay higher than the base of the toilet and then you seal it, you will never know if it does leak. It will trap the water and could cause water damage, mold etc... it will be much harder addressing all the issues later that can occur from installing the floor incorrectly now.
well done! haha it's the old pull the toilet...possible issues with that...or spend extra time cutting pieces to go around toilet. May try your method
How clever!
Genius! Thank you so much!
outstanding job.
That was amazing!
Brilliant... I'm going to try this...
You just saved my sanity. I would shake your hand if I ever met you but I'm scared of COVID-19
Wash your hands.
Great Job💫
I going to do this today with my husband in our bathroom. TFS!
Thanks so much.Yoy explained it lovely.xx
Thanks glad I could help!
Thank you so much for this video
Ignore the negative comments mate. Did my sons downstairs toilet and the last people living there had stuck it down and to add to that put self leveling compound around it. 😂😂.
Unscrewed the toilet but it wouldn't budge. Absolutely solid.
Thanks for the tip.
Great fit. Thank you.
Thank you thank you thank you! Awesome 👍
Great video, good Carpenters tipis to shamfer the edges 😁
nice work!
Mind blown. Thanks haha
Good tip!!
I want to see you doing the back part.
what flooring and adhesive are you using? can this be done with peel and stick vinyl planks?
YES it an be done with peel and stick vinyl planks.
Thank you Sir.
Remove the toilet and save yourself some major headaches. Also by interlocking planking for a bathroom. The stuff he is using is equivalent to using wrapping paper
It’s just peel and stick, it would be much harder to create i nice cut like that on vinyl click.
Can you list your tools and the brand make of your box cutter? Ty so much!😊
Looks like the brand is "Crain" type is No. 730, and he's using a utility hook blade instead of the normal razor.
A washer works good for round edges also
Could’nt see what u were doing when marking the actual plank
As has been said you remove the toilet lay the floor to the toilet ring install new wax ring and reinstall toilet. This is a major no no
I'm 4'7" there's no way in hell I'm moving a toilet. It'll have to do.
I’m 48 and remove toilets every job that needs it done right....they are not heavy......well I guess if you’re not a man then they’re heavy
@@baylee_baby_ How high do you have your toilets installed in your house?
Get off the toilet before trying to move it.
There's nothing wrong with doing it this way,esp if the vinyl floor gets damaged or you want to change the style of flooring,maybe updating the look,who the hell wants to remove a toilet to lay down cheap vinyl flooring?,JMO mind you,don't lose your minds on me😄
A quicker way of doing this is to cut a smaller hole out of the template to begin with, then cut the template to fit the toilet perfectly and draw around it on the plank.
Can you tell me exactly which Crain blade you used to cut the vinyl?
Probably to late now but its a concave blade
Amazing thank you for the tips , question ... where i can find that vinyl floor )))
Home Depot
Wow perfect
This is the second one for the basement bat. czcams.com/users/postUgkxOuLt8IL_GxhhaK8DBuKEL-zV0UJVpWZn , works great
Hello this may be a dumb question but if we remove our toilet do we still use this technique for the hole?
Master level
I cant see properly what hes doing with the straight edge, is he lining up the outer edge with the lines he drew?
Awesome job mate!!
If the customer doesn’t remove toilet I just hack into it and tell the customer to get the toilet siliconed. That way I have 3-4mm to play with 😁
Not a bad technique for scribing around immovable objects. If possible always remove toilet this technique can prolong seeing evidence of a leaking toilet witch can lead to structural damage. Also many people may try this with a non glue down product such as a free floating product in witch case will not leave room for product to expand.
Do you caulk this afterwards?
What if you are laying the flooring the other direction? Length ways
Confused did u draw through the template on to the plank on that line? It looks like you trace the original cut
Brilliant
So why did you draw the lines the first time for again?
The correct way to do it and really doesn't take any more time is to remove toilet, lay the flooring then install the toilet.
Some people don't have that option for various reasons. I have picked up toilets and installed new wax rings, for example. At 76 that's not something I want to do these days. Folks, like myself, need an alternative method that does not call for paying a plumber $150-$200 to do a 10 minute job. Save those dollars for the time I do need to call one.
Wonderful job!
Bro! Thanks
The kneepad are the best kneepads in the market
How doe the next piece go round the toilet
This guy is a GENIUS!!!!!
Great video thanks. Do you put caulking between the vinyl and porcelain?
Yes! I will usually use a clear kitchen/bathroom safe silicone between the floor and the porcelain :)
How do you measure for that gap what am I missing? The gap right in front of the toilet
bro i dont know how people have understood this, i dont get it at all
The same amount of gap is used when transferring the markings on the cardboard to the vinyl. In this case, the gap was the thickness of the ruler. When drawing the line on the vinyl, keep one edge of the ruler on the drawn line and mark a new line on the vinyl on the opposite side of the ruler. Keep repositioning the ruler as the new line is marked. As easier way to do the same thing is with a compass. Even easier is to use a contour gauge, also called a profile gauge from the hardware store.
Pattern the hole thing in one go but good work pal.
As you are going to seal it all round anyway , why not put a little silicone bead on the floor all around the toilet before the vinyl goes down ( then you might better stop water getting under the flooring from above whilst cleaning if the top seal is damaged . )
or why not put a silicone bead all way round the toilet once you've fitted the planks??
Why you don't remove the toilet, and put it back on the vinyle tile?
The comments here are hilarious.
On one hand, armchair experts telling a flooring company how to do a job I'm sure they know how to do/have done properly many times over, but are making a video for people who insist on doing it this way and just need guidance.
On the other, a ridiculously bad defense from people insisting on doing it the wrong way because of pride. I get the sentiment that you're single/frail and can't lift it, but what about kids/grandkids? Neighbors? Coworkers? Church members? Teenager down the street doing odd jobs to save for college? I don't know anyone in my network who wouldn't be willing to do this for free, let alone for 5-10 bucks. If a neighbor asked me, I'd assist with the whole flooring job!
Some areas people live in is a code violation to caulk or seal your toilet. If you are going to sell your house and are doing this to improve the sale, remove the toilet or check your local city codes. You don't want to end up with a violation then have to pull up the toilet anyway and now you have a bigger mess to deal with.
What kind of knife is that
Don’t do this, what if you need to replace toilet in future, now you have to redo floor. Remove toilet (2 screws and water line to disconnect and $10 for a new wax ring). No need to precision cut anything and will look much better.
Good job but the planks should length ways surely
The actual correct way to do this is buy a baked potato 🥔 from a reputable seller and squish it around the perimeter of the customers house and without fail every time you will have the desired results
Isn't it better to remove the toilet and install the new flooring under the toilet? Otherwise if the toilet needs to be replaced in the future with a toilet with a different footprint you may have a problem
As a flooring contractor, sorry but the proper way is to take the toliet out. Not only for a cleaner look but also because a floor will expand and contract so putting it up directly against the toliet could cause the floor to push up against the toliet resulting in peaking in spots. And according to all the plumbers I talk to you arent supposed to caulk around the toliet so leaving an expansion gap and filling it with caulk is not a good idea either.
Good
i tried that and it was still off. what i did is i made a blue painters tape templet worked like a charm
Wow!!!
Just pop the toilet up and cut the flange hole its the right way this way is short cutting.
I agree remove toilet and install, also it has a lot more room for error on cut around toilet as toilet trims out. Still it was a cool technique.
easier with a compass or a scribe bar. see you did not show the back scribe which is more awkward lol. this is just the normal way to do this but I guess some people dont know good share