Logitech MX Master 3S Review vs MX 3 - IS IT WORTH The Upgrade?
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- In my review of the MX Master 3S, I discuss whether is it worth upgrading if you already own the MX Master 3 mouse.
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0:00 - Intro
0:11 - Contents & Ordering
0:30 - What's Changed?
1:23 - Design
4:28 - Ergonomics
4:57 - Click Noise Test
5:46 - Tracking Test
7:02 - Software Settings
8:15 - Worth The Upgrade?
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Will you upgrade to the Mx Master 3S? Are you a fan of the quiet click or do you prefer to hear your clicks? Thanks for watching! Please consider subscribing if you like this video 🙂
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UPDATE: It was pointed out that if you do not install Logitech's Login software, the back and forward buttons do not work on the MX3S. Thank you to @KZ for pointing it out.
Hey I am curious about how close to white the mx master 3s you have is.
I want to have a clean white setup and the Old MX Master 3 in Grey is not an option.
Would you mind telling me how it looks next to the Aluminium/White Apple Magic Keyboard if you have or maybe share a pic on twitter?
kind regards
@@yesaneul9088 Hey Yesaneul, sorry I don't own any Apple products, but I did take a photo of the mouse against a plain white piece of printer paper and near a PS5 Dual Sense controller so you have an idea: drive.google.com/file/d/1fd8ZBlDWy1Aife7qb47YTmRDL5yZCmYN/view?usp=sharing
I hope that helps.
@@DemCrumblies Thank you very much for sharing, helped a lot.
More like a creamy white as it seems. Still not really what I am looking for.
Might need to get creative and DIY with some acryllic paint I guess
@@yesaneul9088 Yea it's definitely an off-white. Good luck on your quest for the perfect all white setup!
@Global Communications Yep, I heard the same sentiment from a handful of others too. I've been in the hard click life for a long time, but since I moved to the Logitech Lift with quiet clicks, I got really accustomed to it now. Actually when I'm on calls, I can get away with clicking & browsing and no one knows 😉 But after using the MX Mechanical keyboard now, I still understand the appeal of wanting to hear that click. You can still feel the click, but it feels softer... maybe because the loud click is gone?
Let's see what they do with the MX 4. I wonder if they will continue the trend or just release two versions, a 4 and a 4S.
this is an excellent straight forward review... Thank you
Thank you Jerome, I appreciate it!
This was a very helpful review! This was exactly what I was hoping to find. Thanks.
Glad to hear that Tim. Good luck 👍
Just the review I was looking for, thank you! Ordered the MX 3s through the link in your description 👊 Looking forward to the horizontal scrolling while editing in davinci resolve. That alone is going to be a huge time saver.
Thank you very much for watching my video and using my link Chris! Yep, being able to scroll through the timeline is a huge benefit. Which color did you get btw?
@@DemCrumblies Went with the Graphite
@@ChrisEdi You won't have to worry about discoloration showing easily on Graphite. Enjoy!
@@DemCrumblies Thanks! Looking forward to using it
perfect review. covered all aspects.💯
Thanks Amir 👍
Thanks for the video. Very helpful. Have a great day!
I'm happy it was helpful B! Take care 😀
Great job!
Great video! Extremely helpful.
Glad it was helpful!
Amazing review ,thanks )))
Thank you Максим Платинум! I'm glad it was helpful 😀
I have that exact model of Salter Kitchen Scales with glass top. 😎
Thanks for this comparison review. 🙏🏻
Looks like we have similar tastes 😀
Excellent review!!!
Thanks Kevin! Glad it was helpful, and thank you for watching my video 🙂
Finally an unbiased, honest opinioned comparison... thank you so much
Glad it was helpful Andrew! Yea, unless you like the quiet click and need a higher DPI, it doesn't really make sense to upgrade.
Thanks man much appreciated, I got the mx3 coming this Saturday.
Nice, you will enjoy it! By the way, which mouse are you upgrading from?
@@DemCrumblies A cheap one from a company called Omoton that i got from amazon in 2020, it started to get courser shake when not in my hand it is very annoying.
@乇ᗪㄩ乃 Oh this will be a huge step up then. Just be sure to download the Logitech software to get full functionality out of your new mouse. Enjoy, and thank you for watching my video 😀
@@DemCrumblies Thanks man, no worries have a good day/night.
@@EDUB9X3 Same to you!
I've been using the mx revolution for years. It's an amazing mouse but it's old now haha. I'm thinking if picking up the S. I'll miss the docking station, but the usb-c it's a solid upgrade. Thanks for the review!
Sounds like you got a lot of good use from your MX Revolution. Since I always have USB Type C cables around, I prefer charging that way instead of using the docking station like with older Logitech products because it frees up desk space too. Which color would you get if you get the 3S?
To the point and clear showing of good/bad...perfect review
Thank you Junior Holder 🙂
Thanks for the comparison, I love my MX Master 3 but probably won't be rushing out to upgrade any time soon. I honestly have headphones on most of the time anyway so even though the click reduction would be good for an office environment, it really doesn't apply to me too much at home.
Yea, for just two upgrades, it definitely isn't worth it over the MX 3. Hopefully the MX 4 will be worth the upgrade whenever it comes out.
Don't do it, I'd trade a 3s for a 3 in an instant.. it feels squishy and terrible compared to my master 2
Digging it. The only gripe ive had is the click area wears into a smooth shiny area making it look older and more worn than it really is. Wish they would make that out of something else. Well done review.
Yep, you're right! You can probably see it on my MX Master 3 in the video. The left click button is super smooth and worn out now. It's a bit embarrassing for me when people see that area, but yea, until they improve it, we're stuck. I guess we put a lot of hours and work into our mice.
I completely agree. My MX 1 and MX3 both aged terribly, and look really bad after a short time. Also they don’t travel well without getting dirty.
@@commandohazelnuts Yea, and the rubberized texture holds onto dust easily and rubbing or blowing it off isn't easy.
They sell the top shells but for 20 bucks that's a bit much.
@@tookallyourmoney Hey did you mean Logitech sells them or a third party seller? I don't think I've seen shells on the Logitech site before.
Great review! I currently use G305 but my GF is annoyed by clicking noise so I think this is a perfect solution.Review is just what I wanted to know, thanks!
Thanks Galicius! If you're going to be using this for any gaming, Logitech recommends using the Logi USB Bolt instead of Bluetooth for best performance.
Or you can just swap the switches to kailh silent red instead of buying a new mouse, there are places selling the switch with PCB, so you don't need to solder anything
I wanted an MX Mouse and got the new 3S as it was just out and while I can't speak for the older models the 3S is absolutely fantastic. Wonderful bit of kit.
I'm glad you're enjoying yours! How do you like the magspeed scroll wheel? I leave it in the free spin mode.
How bad is the soft mushy click? I want to buy it but for the money, I cant make a mistake, if I play a game now and then with it, will it be a problem?
Hey Jan, I'm not sure if you are asking me or C J, but I really don't think the soft click is a problem. You may "feel" like it is not tactile, but the response time is exactly the same as on the MX 3 mouse. If you plan on gaming, it can work, but a gaming mouse is better for games that require fast, twitch-like reactions like FPS shooters.
@@DemCrumblies Yeah absolutely, Im far from a gamer. I play WarThunder from time to time, it worked fine for me with MX2. I am sure then it will be odd at first. Tell me please then can you have accidental clicks and how much less pressure you have to put on it to click, I feel like that will give me a picture of a filling to some extent. Thank you and a pretty nice video btw yeah.
@@janloncaric3621 Hey Jan, I clicked the button on both mice and it feels like I have to use slightly less pressure on the MX 3S, but it isn't a very noticeable difference. I haven't had any accidental misclicks or double clicks due to the lower actuation force or pressure required for the MX 3S. I think most people feel that it is very soft because it doesn't make that click sound. You definitely feel the click register and it is still tactile with the MX 3S.
You answered a question that no one else has: the click is not only quieter, but also softer. Thanks 👍🏻
Hey Michael, you're welcome! While it is softer, it still feels tactile enough to let you know that it was pressed. Thanks for watching 🙂
Definitely interested in the 3S for the silent clicks. After hearing that vertical lift one I might go ergonomic, love how silent it was. If only the new mechanical keyboard was as quiet
I'm actually using the Vertical Lift for the majority of my daily use since I spend at least 8 hours on the computer, and I use the 3S on my second computer. I did a review about the Lift too, but I forgot to mention that you can get horizontal scrolling on it by using the back or forward side buttons to temporarily modify the vertical scroll wheel to a horizontal scroll wheel. Made a quick video about it if you're seriously considering the Lift.
@@DemCrumblies why are you using two different mice for your two computers?
Both mice allow easily switching devices and have Logitech Flow, don't they?
@@sebastianjost Hey Sebastian, I actually have three mice. I use the Logitech Lift Vertical on my main computer for ergonomics, and I use the MX 3S on my second computer. The MX3 is just for backup now since I bought the MX 3S. While they do have fast switching and I have some paired between computers for transferring files with Logitech Flow, I still keep more than one for review purposes and to answer questions from viewers.
'S' for silent
When you ASSUME… you make an ASS out of U and ME.
It would make sense to think this… if it weren’t for the already available but not silent MX Master 2S
Good review. You did a great sound test, but you forgot to mention that the 3S mouse clicks also feel softer and mushier than the louder clicker 3!!! The soft mushy clicks on the 3S was the deal-breaker for me. Hopefully MX Master 4 adds back more crisp clicky mouse buttons like the 3 grrrr
Hey C J, you're right, I should have placed more emphasis on the soft click feeling. I was so used to the Logitech Lift, which has the same soft click and noise that I forgot how jarring the change could be to users of the traditional MX line. I actually grew to love the soft click feeling because I still work just as far, but I can understand those who want that more tactile feel and confirmation. I think they will have to add it back to the MX4 because the soft click on the MX3S had mixed reception.
yea i noticed that too while testing them at the store. I think i will go with the 3 for that exact reason. The crisp clicks are the only difference that matter to me, the other 2 things i wouldnt care anyway so its the same mouse literally.
@@DemCrumblies Yeh I just tested it and my brain hates it.. I was never annoyed by the sound... but I guess it'll have to get used to like when I got polarized lenses.
Yea maybe give it a week or two and see. I love the quiet when working now with the silent clicks.@@blakearius
Finally, a mouse with "thoc" lol been waiting for something like this from the mid 90's ! hahaha
Glad they brought this one out cuz I'm running the 3 with modified switches
Yea if you're a fan of quiet clicks, this is pretty quite, same as on their Logitech Lift.
I hope the 3S will also get a space grey version for mac. I love that colour scheme, but also love the silent clicks of the 3S.
I wonder if they'll add a new color to the 3S, or just focus on an MX 4 next. Since the 3S is just a slight refresh of the MX 3, I think they are a bit overdue for an MX 4.
Great detailed and thorough review :)
Thanks Blue Eagle Fly! Glad it was helpful 😀
Thx for review, will get the mx3 because of its click sound, hate clicking with no sound.
I have really gotten used to the reduced click noise, but I understand wanting the complete feel of tactility and sound feedback.
Great review. My wife has been a long user of mice like the MX Master 2s she never wanted to upgrade (I use a MX Master 3) since it can work on almost any surface. She wasn't a heavy laptop user, I had got her a chromebook from Acer and she eventually told me she hated it so I gifted her my Pixelbook i7 with 512GB NVMe SSD and 16GB RAM with a crazy near 4K touchscreen and totally silent. I then did some engineering and got it to run windows 10 with all features. Then I left my MX3 as her mouse. She immediately wanted one. Lol. So she has the MX3s now in Pale Grey which matches the Pixelbook. She likes the quiet buttons, I like more tactile. 4000 dpi works fine for me. Love these mice use USB C charging.
Hey @alk3myst (cool name btw)! Great to hear that she loves the MX3S, I've gotten so used to silent clicks now that I find it strange when a mouse has a loud audible click now. Some people hate the quiet click because they feel like there isn't enough tactile feedback without it also, but I love it! Yea the USB type C charging is handy too. Maybe later we might even get wireless charging on a compatible Qi enabled mouse pad. Waiting to see what they do with the MX4 next. Btw, just a heads up that the Pale Grey can get discolored quickly. I've been wiping mine down with a damp cloth every couple of weeks to avoid it. Thanks for watching 🙂
I just invested in a 14" MacBook and thought the 3S was a great improvement over the MacMouse. Thanks for the review. My unit did not come with a bolt receiver which was fine.
Hey Milch, congrats on the new 14" MacBook. I wonder why yours didn't come with the bolt receiver. If it's something you may want in the future, maybe you can email Logitech support about mailing one out to you just in case. I use the MX 3S via Bluetooth also. Btw, now that you've experienced the quiet clicking, does it feel less tactile than a traditional mouse? I've really grown to love the quiet click.
The device switching is what gets me, also mine is due for a replacement. Great video mate.
Glad you found it helpful Isaac!
I sold my MX M3 to buy the 3S, I prefer the quieter clicks & the subtle thud (if you can call it that), but Logitech could've done more to tempt MX M3 users over, like moving the device switch button to the top, or if that wasn't possible right now, I don't see why device switching couldn't be added to the gesture button options. But you're right about the magspeed scroll, it would be hard to go back to normal scrolling. Cheers.
Hey Kam, that is such an excellent point about moving the device switch button somewhere on the top. In addition to letting gestures perform the same function, they could have allowed the shift wheel button to be remapped to device switch too.
Was it worth it now that you used it a couple of months? I just yesterday bought the MX M3 Mac because my wireless Razer mouse was giving huge issues with the scroll wheel (1 click = 500% zoom usually)
Anyway, I am now considering if I should return the MX 3 Mac and get the new 3S - I did get the M3 for 990 SEK (100 dollars/100 euros roughly) vs 1290 SEK (130 dollar/euros) for the new version, I didn't even know the 3S existed because I rushed to the closest store right before they closed since I am working in illustrator on a timeline - but there's a 50 day return policy so I would have no problem paying 30 dollars more if the software is actually better / if its easier to customize buttons etc, and the quieter clicks are something considered worth changing it out!
@@najZSwe yeah, for me it was definitely worth the upgrade, I mostly use with my android tablet & Windows, it's very precise on both & I've always preferred the silent clicks.
You don't need to click the button to scroll without the tactile increments. That automatically changes when you scroll quickly, which is the best feature. The only problem is that when you do click the button and scroll slowly without the tactile feel, it still scrolls the screen incrementally rather than smoothly, so there is never smooth scrolling. I like the clicking.
Yea they have the smart shift feature in the Logi+ software to switch between the ratchet scrolling and smooth scrolling. I love having it on smooth scrolling all the time, so I turn off smart shift personally.
@demcrubliestech - I already have the mx keys keyboard. With the Logi receiver, can I connect both the mx keys and master 3s and use the switcher on the keyboard to switch both devices (between computers) at the same time?
Hey Michelle, I checked with Logitech, and they said they do not support having both devices switch at the same time unfortunately, but that is a great question. Hopefully, they work on that later.
Definitely buying the 3, because I’m done with silent mouses. I want the old school clicking sound and feel. Thanks for the in-depth comparison!
Thanks for watching! I've converted to the silent side completely now, so yea it's good they still have the 3 for people who want a more tactile experience.
@@DemCrumblies Yeah I’ve been using silents for years but it’s time for me to go back. Good vid still!
Your review convinced me to buy this mouse. I got it mostly for its customizability via Logi Options, but I should have known better -- it's Logitech software. Attempted on Mac. Returning it.
Hey Pepperfingers, sorry to hear that. I didn't know that the software experience on Mac would be that dismal. I know they just released the Logitech Lift Vertical mouse for Mac, so I thought they would have a polished software experience to match already. Hopefully they improve the software in future updates.
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You had me at first click! The M3 was just obnoxious compared to the S. Glad I got the info before i made the purchase. Cheers!
You'll love the 3S Tracy! I actually use both the 3S and the Lift Verical, which also has the quiet clicks. It's hard to consider going back to a noisy mouse again now.
@@DemCrumblies I also happy to finally have horizontal scrolling when editing. I’ve always been a $20 mouse person. So your review helped me feel like a made the right decision. 👍🏼
One reason I can see to get the new mouse is it supports Logi Bolt. That seems to be needed to do some of the multiple computer support feature on the new MX Mechanical Wireless Keyboard and other new Logi products.
Yea it definitely helps and Logitech said it offers the best latency. However, I've been using the MX Mechanical, Logitech Vertical Lift and MX 3, and now MX 3S all on Bluetooth only, and it still allows me to switch between devices effortlessly.
@@DemCrumblies great. Do I just need to install Flow on my Mac and Linux system?
@@JBoy340a hi Jerry, yes it has to be installed on all devices and setup on each device.
Was looking for a quieter mouse for the studio apartment my wife and I share and one minute in I already have the answer with that click test. Thanks for making it perfectly clear. 👍
Glad it was helpful Kribby! I use the 3S and the Logitech Vertical Lift mouse, which also has the same quiet clicks, but it better if spend tons of hours every day on the computer.
Finally! This heavy clicky sound was driving me crazy all these years with my 2S! Thanks for the review.
Glad the review was helpful! It's definitely a welcome change with the reduced click noise for me.
my 3s is arriving tomorrow, so if I connect to my MacBook and my hp laptop will there be separate custom options on each system within the Logitech options ? i.e start button as the gesture for windows ?
Hey Pete, that's great to hear! Yes, you will be able to set custom options on both systems. I have mine setup to use between two computers with different button mappings.
wow pale grey (off white) colorway looks gorgeous! brings out the beautiful design hues of the mouse muchhhh better than the graphite color
Yea you can easily see the contours and details with the pale grey.
@@DemCrumblies was about to order the slightly boring standard graphite until i saw this vid. getting the pale grey color now 😍
Nice, you'll enjoy it!
Great review! Is the rubber they use for the body the same as the 3? I hope not cuz it wears off way too easily for me.
hey @T H the rubber feels exactly the same, I don't think anything has changed with the exterior design at all. Same dimensions and same weight too.
@@DemCrumblies appreciate the reply! That's unfortunate, was really hoping they changed the rubber. There have been so many complaints about the rubber used on the 3 sad to see it back on the 3s.
@@THZX-qk9fc Yea, it looks like the 3S is just a small refresh really. Hopefully, whenever the MX4 comes out, they listen to the community and do something about it.
On one of my MX Master 3 mice (late 2019 purchase) the rubberized coating deteriorated and became too sticky to use - I tried various cleaning methods to no avail. I switched to a newer (backup) MX Master 3 a few days ago which doesn't (yet?) have the dreaded sticky coating problem. There's a number of Reddit threads about the sticky coating issue. Outside of the sticky coating problem, the mouse covers a lot of bases well. The rapid metal scroll wheel is addictive as compared to other mouse designs.
@@CoachNation The rapid metal scroll wheel is the one thing I miss the most since I made the Lift Vertical mouse my main mouse. Every time I use my MX 3S on my second computer, I almost want to leave the Logitech Lift.
Great review! Do we know what is the difference with the MX Master 3s for Business? Is this an upgraded version of 3s?
Seems like the Business model just has an additional year of warranty, bringing it to two years from what I saw online.
is the side buttons quiet too? on the 650L the side button was not noise treated so you have the main left and right click thats quiet but not on the side....
The side buttons are quiet like they were on the older Master 3. Since the side buttons were quiet already, it doesn't sound any different to me when I use them. I hope that is helpful.
To be honest, the biggest reason I got the 3S over the cheaper 3 is the white (pale grey) color way. I’ve always hated how there was no white option to match my setup before, and finally I can have USB-C vs the micro-usb on my 2S
Yea the pale grey does look pretty sharp, especially with the back silvery type trim. Which type of white keyboard are you using?
I have a pale grey MX Master 3, not 3S.
When I bought my MX 3, I don't remember seeing the option for pale gray or I would have got that, but I saw in some older videos that people had it too.
@@DemCrumblies pale grey is what they call this current white model for 3S. The 3 had mid grey
Ah ok, makes sense. The grey I saw on the older MX3 seemed a bit darker.
Hi, thanks for comparison. Can you use both of those without receiver, just with bluetooth (on laptop)?
Yes, I only use Bluetooth to keep USB ports free on my laptop. I hate that newer laptops ship with so few ports unless you buy a high-end gaming type laptop.
@@DemCrumblies awesome, thanks for replying
@Артем Смирный You're welcome 😀
that free scroll thing is probably the best thing i ever used, i got a g502 for my birthday which has a free scroll and its amazing lol. the 3s is gonna be on sale soon where i work and im definietly buying it
Ohh, I never knew the G502 had the same free scroll 👀. Yea with the upcoming Black Friday sales, it'd be a great time to get one.
This is exactly the review I was looking for. I purchased the 3 only one day before the 3s came out and I was wondering if I should return it. I don't really like the quieter click, and I don't have the need for it to be quiet so I think I will stick with the 3.
Yea, I read that some people view the reduced click noise as less appealing, so you still made a good choice with your MX 3.
Good to know that Comment Warrior. Looks like there is a benefit of the increased DPI that I didn't think of. You can still return your 3 right?
@@ThatGuyOverThereWeirdThat's great you won't be stuck with the 3.
the quiet click sucks
I am eyeing for the MX Mechanical for gaming AND work... Been waiting for ages for the hybrid MX mouse that can be used for gaming and work...
I did a review on the MX Mechanical recently, it's pretty good, been using it for work mostly. I tried it using the Logi Bolt USB receiver and I did ok with some light gaming. I asked Logitech about latency times, but I didn't get answer back yet. However, another commenter said they got an answer back saying that the Logi Bolt USB receiver is between 4 to 7 ms latency, so if the MX Mechanical and MX 3S are used, hopefully that number is accurate.
Do you need to use the receiver for this to work? Or will it work with just Bluetooth? I wanna save USB-A space
Hi Suki Maki, yes, you can use it with just Bluetooth. I always prefer to use Bluetooth to save USB ports too.
Is the tactile feeling (clicking feeling) better in the Master 3s? Other than just been quiet.
When I use the 3S, the click feels softer as well as being quiet. I still get the feeling of the clicks being registered, but for those who want a really tactile feel, maybe it will be seen as a downside.
I'll pass on the upgrade. No problems with "3" moving around on my desktop and I barely hear the clicking. Plus I don't even use the scroller and 2 buttons on the left. Now, your review had piqued my interest in those and I'll check them out. I'll wait for a more substantial difference - maybe the "4." Thanks for a great review!
Hey Rod, I totally agree. The upgrade to the 3S is not worth it if you already own the 3. It's like a slight refresh with a new color, quieter clicks and better tracking sensor, but like you said, the sensor on the 3 served everyone fine all these years already. I hope the MX 4 will be a worthwhile upgrade.
got my mx master 3 a year and a half or so ago, and the rubber is starting to show its age. been thinking of getting a replacement mouse and the 3s looks like it has enough upgrades to be worth paying again.
Hey redgt, the main upgrades are the 8K sensor and silent clicks, but you'll still run into the same rubber issue.
I love the mouse but hate the light grey color that I got. After only 1 month of use the light grey rubber is dirty and dingy and stained from the natural oils in my skin and nothing I used was able to get the staining out. I ended up buying a broken black MX 3 and putting the top shell from that onto the lower of the MX 3S. Now I don't have to worry about a nasty dirty looking mouse and it now imo looks cool with the black upper and silver lower part. Also regarding tracking on glass, it does work. I bought a glass mouse pad a few weeks ago and it works like a dream. The difference between my glass mouse pad and what you used is that my glass mouse pad has a texture etched into it, or rather casted? into it. Where the surface isn't completely smooth, but this is definitely the best mouse pad I have EVER used and it works with old Redragon mouse too.
Yea I really don't know why Logitech won't consider changing the rubberized type of material since lots of people have complaints with the discoloration issue. Mine is slightly discolored too, but I usually try to wipe it down with a damp cloth every month or so to keep it from getting too bad. Would love to see a photo of your hybrid mouse if you wanna share though!
That quiet click is worth the upgrade on its own for sure
Yea I've gotten so used to quiet clicks now. Thanks for watching 🙂
Are you guys getting a consistent click sound effect all across the area of LMB/RMB? I know this might be the OCD talking, but my 3S gives off that deliciously quiet and enjoyably tactile click only like 8 out of 10 times on average. The other 2 out of 10 clicks typically come from the area closer to the middle scroll wheel (although not only) and sound, well, sharper and "clickier", more like a standard switch (although not as loud). Not a big deal, I guess it's a standard feature of a mechanical input device, but I can't help thinking that the perfectly consistent standard click of the good old 3 wouldn't annoy me as much.
Hey Tomasz, I haven't really noticed much of a difference in sound or feedback, but when I tested it out just now, I noticed that my finger usually lands on the same spot during clicks so maybe that's why I don't notice any variance. The right click sounds slightly different than the left click though if I pay attention (not louder), but the tactile feedback is the same. If you're noticing it 2 out of 10 times, either you're really attuned or maybe your mouse has a defect. Might be a good idea to go in store and try one of the demo or display models to see if the same issue is present, although, those demo models sometimes take a beating from tons of people trying them.
Does the Pale Gray 3S stain overtime from regular use? I just ordered the 3S in black since my 3 Black 1Year Old has slight hand stain marks
So far it isn't stained, but I can't say that will be the case over time. On my MX 3, the left click button is smooth now due to wear and prolonged use, so I think the same with happen with the pale grey too because the material feels exactly the same.
@@DemCrumblies Good thing I went with the Black for the 3S. I sooooooo wanted to buy the Pale Gray for work but based on my 1 YO MX 3 I had my doubts big time.
Have you manged to find a way to clean the the rubber? Been thinking about using a microfiber towel, dawn, and wiping it down. Doubt that will make it look like new again but Black is the best color to get longterm it seems
@@henri6595 Yea good call on the black, because it's likely just a matter of time until it stains. I've only ever tried to clean my older MX 3 with warm water and a microfiber towel, but no luck. I read that the smoothing that I have on my left mouse button is due to oils from my fingers reacting to the plastic, so that means I won't be able to clean it. However, I haven't noticed any stains anywhere else on my MX 3. Dawn might be a good bet because it's pretty powerful. I never tried with soap because I didn't know if it would react with the material. If you decide to go through with it, I'd love to hear how it went.
@@DemCrumblies I'll give it a shot with the Dawn on the weekend after I receive the 3S, just in case I break the 3. I'll let you know how it went
@Henri Sounds good 👍
I got this on this Sunday
I see that it is extremely heavy and needs strength to move on a mouse pad.
Could you please add your experience?
Thank you
Hey Vikrant, yes this mouse is a bit on the heavier side. It is the same weight as the previous MX Master 3, so I guess this is your first MX 3 mouse. If you try to use the mouse on your desk without a mousepad, how do you find it moving? I usually use mine on the desk directly. Another option if you want a quiet and light mouse is to get the Logitech Lift Vertical Mouse: czcams.com/video/v360WKMQhiA/video.html
Hey, I know that the Master 3 has a polling rate of 125Hz, does anyone know if that's improved for the Master 3S?
The polling rate has not changed on the MX 3S unfortunately according to the data I've found online.
I love the new white color, I have a mid gray MX Master and it has some stains now, even after cleaning with alcohol. I'm worried the same would happen to this one.
Unfortunately, the same thing will happen to this one because the material is exactly the same as on the MX 3, so it will just be a matter of time.
@@DemCrumblies makes sense, I saw a video where they mentioned the material is different but I don't know if it will make a big difference. Thinking of just keeping my mx master 3 for now. The silenced switches are interesting but not a huge difference. I wish they had made it lighter.
@@nefitru I didn't confirm the material by asking Logitech, but if I run my finger across both the MX 3 and the MX 3S, they feel exactly the same to me. Also, the weight is still exactly the same at 141 grams, so I think it's the same. Yea, unless you care about quieter clicks or the color, it is a waste of money to upgrade from the MX 3.
Dammit! I don't like the new click but I could always get the benefit from better tracking. Interesting that you're having problems on black glass. I don't have that problem on my MX 2S. I think the laser is the same so I don't think that should be a decider for me. I think it's going to be a case of how big is the difference in price, over any particular feature for me.
Yea I tried to redo the tracking test with the DPI set to 8K in the Logi Options+ software, but the mouse cursor was jumping sporadically around the screen. I'm thinking it's because the glass had a black backdrop so the signal was bouncing back? Maybe on a glass table with a lot of empty space under the glass, it wouldn't be an issue.
Are you able to order it directly from Logitech? Sometimes they email out coupons with discounts, or offer discounts if your current mouse is out of warranty.
@@DemCrumblies I think you were limited by the size of the glass that you were using
@@mkobzday You're probably right. I did try a second test using the same glass and a mirror after setting the DPI to 8K, but same issue. I think the glass can't be too reflective or the lase light bounces maybe? czcams.com/video/zz-7bgR3HhA/video.html
I have a question, the mice are completely the same except for 1. the volume of clicks, 2. the resolution of the sensor. big no difference?
Hi, yes that is exactly correct. If you do not care about click noise or the upgraded sensor, there is no reason to get the 3S.
4:05 question plz
Can u use the side scroll for high and low sound on phone ???
So the side scroll only lets you switch between your home screens where you have your apps on the desktop. It doesn't do volume control. If I open CZcams, it lets my scroll certain parts like category listings horizontally, but no sound control.
There reason why I upgraded mine (Master 3) was:
-Clicking noise
- Bolt Technology, allows me to connect MX keys mini and the mouse with only one receiver
Not sure if it's me but I notice the side scrolling wheel has more firmness to it, great mouse, there's not competition in this case
Hey JD, the side scrolling wheel definitely is a bit more firm on the MX 3S. At first I wasn't sure if it was because I didn't break it in yet, but maybe it is stiffer to avoid accidental brushes of the thumb?
Yea having the ability to use the Logi Bolt is great, but I've been using Bluetooth for the longest while to free up USB slots on my laptop and it's been surprisingly stable. Enjoy your new mouse.
I never used the MX Keys keyboard, but is that also quiet when typing?
@@DemCrumblies Don't get me wrong after a few days I like the stiffness of the side scrolling wheel, I'm a bit more precise now with it.
Mx Keys and Mx Keys mini aren't the quiet keyboards it's quite that any mechanical for sure but what it's really fascinating is the travelling, I'm fast typer and I improve speed with this keyboard besides that controlling multiple system is easy with Flow technology the Keyboard follows the mouse so both devices switch at the same time
@@JD_Therapy Yea it's really a time saver being able to use Flow between my laptop and desktop for transferring files. Probably my favorite feature. Since I switch to the MX Mechanical, I also noticed that my typing speed a bit faster now too. Btw, what is battery life like on your MX Keys? The battery life on the MX Mechanical is not supposed to last more than 15 days if you keep the backlight on. With it off, it's supposed to last 10 months.
@@DemCrumblies Yes, it all comes down to the lightning feature, I barely use the keyboard backlit so it last me around 4 months occasionally backlit used. easy to transport, I take it with me and my MacBook Pro 14 all the time, so pretty good when it comes to battery life
@@JD_Therapy So far mine has been good because I only use the reactive light mode where it lights up the key when you press it. Btw since you mentioned you are on Mac, have you experienced any mouse delays or scrolling delays? Others in the comments have mentioned this issue, but I haven't experienced it with the 3 or 3S.
Does the 3S still have he rubberized coating/ I have oily hands and the rubberized coating gets sticky and degrades really fast. Major bummer for me.
Yes, unfortunately it's the same rubberized coating like on the MX Master 3. I think the only changes are the 8K DPI and 90% quieter clicks.
@@DemCrumblies Thanks much.. The mouse is an investment. I really don't want to have a potential problem after a shirt time. I work in a pretty humid place too .. Thanks.
@@sdaservicetv Yea, the full price for a mouse with only two slight changes is not worth it. Hopefully with the MX Master 4, they improve the materials because other viewers have mentioned the same issue about the rubberized material wearing away and being stained.
i agree, rubber on this mouse sucks...
@@wrends Yea, really hoping to move to another type of finish to prevent wear issues on the MX 4, whenever that comes out.
Does the MX Master 3 work with the same dongle as the MX Mechanical mini keyboard..
I don't believe so because the MX Mechanical Mini keyboard uses the new Logi Bolt USB receiver and the MX 3 uses a different USB dongle. I connect both devices using Bluetooth though without a dongle and it works well.
I bought the white one and ended up returning it because it stains way too easy and does not rinse off at all. I tried this with two different white 3s mice and they both got stained after about a week of use. I just bought the black one instead. I even tried wearing thumb gloves and it still stained!
Yea, unless you're cleaning it with a damp cloth regularly, it easily stains. Also the rubberized type of finish also makes it harder to clean.
Wow that is good to know. Appreciate the heads up.
Another difference is the change to the bolt usb dongle which requires software to drive it. Fine on personal computers, but on office computers, this often isn't possible.
Good point Peter. Some viewers mentioned that due to their office policy, they cannot install the Logitech software for full functionality.
Hey friend, I must ask you something about that black color. I have gray version and it seems brand new after like 6 months of an everyday usage, but when I look at black version on youtube, that part where the right and left buttons are looks like it has been worn out (from clicking obviously). So can you tell me more about that patches, is that just dirty (oily) and can be wiped away, or is it actual change in the plastic at that spot? PS Bro
Hey Djuro, on my MX3, you can probably see the worn out patch as well if you look carefully. Unfortunately, it cannot be wiped away or cleaned away because I try to clean my mice every 1 or 2 months, but those spots still remain. My fingers are oily, so over time I think it has worn away the plastic coating permanently. I don't feel a change when I put my finger there though, so it doesn't affect performance. It just doesn't look nice.
@@DemCrumblies Yea, that's exactly what I've assumed, but on gray color it literally can't be seen. However this color is really sensitive and I need to clean it quite often. Thank you for your answer, I like your videography very much.
@@djuroradulovic1371 That's great if it doesn't show through as much on the gray. I've been switching between the MX3S on my editing computer and the Logitech Lift on my work laptop, so I haven't noticed any color changes on the MX3S yet since I only use it a couple times a week. But yea, cleaning regularly is key to keeping these mice looking great. Thanks for the compliment 🙂
@@DemCrumblies Pretty difficult to explain my non-geek friends how you need to clean your mouse snd keyboard regularly 🤣🤣
@@djuroradulovic1371 Lol yea. Add it to the list like don't cover laptop vents by using it on a blanket in bed.
How bright is the optical sensor? I am sensitive to mice with bright, old style sensors
Hey Ryan, it isn't very bright at all. You shouldn't notice it most of the time unless you're flipping the mouse over to change devices with the quick switch button. Is that your concern? During the day, I can barely see it if I flip the mouse over.
I just bought one and have been using it for three days now - no experience on the older mouse. The new one is really good, and the click is so quiet I can barely hear it. I hate a loud clicking mouse.
Yea once I experienced quiet clicks, it's going to be hard to consider a mouse with a loud click again.
Definitely going to upgrade. The practically silent clicking is going to make my wife happy. My computer is about 3 feet from our bed so the loud clicking of my MX Master 3 disturbs her a little when she’s trying to sleep at night. A whopping $30 more, though, but…..I’m gonna get it.
Yea, it'll definitely make a difference if you're that close. Even for me, I just prefer the silent clicks now when I'm working alone. Thanks for watching 🙂
I have both and will be returning the 3S hate the silent click seems cheap almost like because of parts shortages they just used switches from their cheaper mice. Also, the middle scroll button clicks when you push it in, so there is a disconnect in that, that will still click.
I also have the 2S and actually prefer the shape of that the side scroll wheel is lower and the middle wheel is more clicky/ratchety when you set it to that mode, but still totally smooth when off.
Yea I understand the silent clicks aren't for everyone, but I've actually grown to like it on a mouse, especially when I'm working late at night. I never owned the 2S, but I can see that the side scroll wheel does look a little sleeker in they way it's integrated.
Does it has the problem of the tilt of the middle button to left side in Ratchet mode?
Hey Lluis, yes the magspeed scroll wheel still has some travel distance left and right like on the MX 3.
The problem with the 3S version is that it is absolutely necessary to use the Logi Option+ software otherwise it does not work. With the MX3 version, it was possible to use it without any compatibility problem between several devices (TV, Android, computers, etc.)
Yea, others have pointed out that they cannot use this mouse in some work environments where installation of certain software like Logi Option+ is prohibited on company computers.
Can you can you reprogram the middle mouse button that locks and unlocks the scroll wheel?
Hey xDi yep you can program it. See here for some of the commands: drive.google.com/file/d/11FSvqtqXdHazOKq3hz7uO0HCM2nfBG8T/view?usp=sharing
Are the left and right buttons that soft rubber or are they just hard plastic?
They are still hard plastic like on the MX 3.
@@DemCrumblies man, I can find one nice mouse with that nice soft rubber feel. I have a cheap $10 amazon one that has it...dang.
Are there any issue about getting yellow in time for the white version?
Hey Spawn, it hasn't gotten yellow yet because it isn't usually exposed to the sun. However, it has started to discolor where I rest my thumb, which is disappointing. Unless you regularly clean it with a damp cloth, it will likely darken when exposed to oils from your hands.
That is a sexy mouse. I prefer the click noise though
Yea there's still a decent amount of people who prefer the click. Do you already own the MX Master 3?
Is the softer sounding click also softer on the feel?
Yes. Some people will hate having less tactility, but I adapted easily to it.
Coming from a "performance MX" I like this mouse a lot! The silent click, the magnetic wheel and the horizontal wheel are a major upgrade for me.
Yea that's a pretty big upgrade. The software is also pretty full featured. I just wish it was easier to keep the mouse clean, but the grippy material makes cleaning harder. Which color did you get btw?
@@DemCrumblies Graphite as it fits better to my black K800 and hides the dead skin deposits a bit better. Yes the program specific settings come in handy too. This is one of those products you didn't really need but make it hard to go back once you tried it. Many thanks for the video and have a great day Sir.
Smart. My pale grey version is already showing some staining, so you made the right call with the Graphite version. Thanks for watching 🙂
It would be interesting to have a mouse that also has wireless charging as I already have a wireless phone charger on my desk.
That would honestly be so amazing, especially if you can flip a switch to turn that feature on and off to prevent overcharging.
Thank you for your concise and informative review. I was watching another youtube video discussing this mouse and it was filled with so much unnecessary "cute" drivel I had to stop.
I know exactly what you're talking about. If I ever do that in my videos, feel free to call me out so I can stay grounded 😉Thank you for watching my video Ita!
I have the 3S and the mouse is amazing but I don't like the silent clicks. That snappy response when you click helps inform you when you've hit the button. But I'll get used to it I guess...
Yes, I think you'll get used to it. I don't even notice it any more on either this mouse or the Logitech Lift, which also has the quieter click.
I'm torn between the two. On one hand the 3S has a better sensor but on the other hand I personally like the loud clicks of the 3. I just picked up an MX Mechanical Mini and the MX Master would compliment it perfectly, especially in that graphite color.
Hey Alex, not sure if you already own the MX 3, but the tracking is already great on it, so I'd still recommend the MX 3 easily.
@@DemCrumblies I have a G502 right now, which is a great mouse but not wireless. Been eyeing the MX Master for a long time. I’m also wondering if the color would match my MX Mech Mini like the MX 3s in graphite would
Hey Alex, I can take a photo of my MX 3 and MX Mechanical so you can see how they look side by side. I can take it tomorrow when I have natural light and share the link in the comments. Is that ok?
Here's the link drive.google.com/file/d/1tPGC6JNlPwffWEBixSpvVQv0hoSSyhOC/view?usp=drivesdk
@@DemCrumblies Looks pretty nice actually. I ended up getting the 3S in graphite today and love it! Got the mid grey desk mat to go with it all and it is probably the best productivity set up I’ve had so far.
Considering I'm coming from the original MX Master, I hope that the MX Master 3S is worth the upgrade. :)
Coming from the original MX, I think you'll notice the upgrade. It is almost worth it for the quiet clicks for me to be honest because I've gotten so used to quiet clicks now.
Pretty sure the DPI are for more precision, it has nothing to do with how well it works on different surfaces; that would depend on the sensor technology per se, not it's DPIs.
That makes sense, thanks for pointing it out. On the MX Master 3S product page it says tracks on any surface, so I thought the sensor was upgraded for that purpose too.
@@DemCrumblies That was a feature they boasted about since the MX Master 1
@@TheEchelon Yea they keep getting away with it by saying on virtually any surface.
They said it would be working on glass.
Not sure about this.
Not worth the upgrade.
I will by the MX3
It is probably worth mentioning that the MX Master 3S uses the Logi Bolt USB Receiver, which is not compatible with the USB Unifying Receiver. Both receivers are using a USB 2 type (Type-A), which is disappearing from most computers nowadays, replaced by USB 3 (Type C).
If you are using Bluetooth, it is indeed not important.
But if you want to integrate it with other existing Logitech products connected with Unifying, it will not work.
In some cases, Logitech has added "for Business" to the name of Bolt products, like the "MX Master 3 for Business". It gives the impression that they will name all Bolt products with "for Business". But it is not true, as illustrated with this "3S". And in their "Business" products line, they still have Unifying products...
It seems that Logitech wants to continue selling both Unifying and Bolt, duplicating all their products. So if you do not want to keep 2 Logitech receivers on all your devices, you have to either stick with the previous Unifying, renew all your products n Bolt, or move completely to Bluetooth.
Good points Marie-Jean. Thank you for mentioning that one USB receiver will not be compatible for all Logitech products.
Logitech said the Logi Bolt is best for low latency, but I don't know how the latency compares to the Unifying receiver. If it's better, then maybe they will try to switch over to Bolt only for future products?
Isn’t the USB receiver different? Newer bolt vs old unifying
Yes the MX 3S has a new bolt receiver. Sorry if I forgot to mention that part.
They need to make this mouse with as many buttons as the G502, I'd consider the MX Master 3S but I don't want to give up my scroll wheel left and right clicks
Haven't used the G502 before, but that looks like a serious mouse. I'm thinking maybe they can't ensure the hyper fast almost frictionless scrolling of the mag speed wheel if they implemented scroll wheel left and right clicks so it probably will not come to the MX line.
But 3s has better tracking
the only thing I wish they would have done is put a 3rd button on the side of the mouse to cycle through different devices, just like the M720 Triathlon.
Yea, having a quick switch button anywhere except the bottom would be so efficient. Even the option to remap the scroll wheel mode button to switch input devices would be nice.
Love the clicking sound. I would just guess you don't like a mechanical keyboard that is loud.
Hey The Kobra, so while I love the quiet clicking of the MX 3S, after I got the MX Mechanical keyboard (Tactile Quiet) version, I've grown to like the click noise it offers, so I might be open to a mechanical keyboard with more clicky keys in the future I think.
Does the 3s 'click' still feel tactile / obvious that you are actually clicking?
You can definitely still feel the click, however, because the click noise is quieter, the click almost feels "soft" if that makes sense. You can definitely tell that the click was performed though.
I love that click and I love mechanical keyboard for the same reason
Yea the click on their new mechanical is good. Now I'm questioning if I should have got the linear version instead of the tactile quiet. I take it that you're going to stick with your trusty MX 3?
@@DemCrumblies Yes going to keep mx3 and looking to get mx mechanical unfortunately in British layout only one version is available with tactile switches. I have no name Chinese mechanical keyboard time to upgrade to matching brand
Oh, which brand of Chinese mechanical keyboard do you have?
@@DemCrumblies If I remember correctly it's havit from amazon. Sorry I'm at work at the moment can't check it. Cheap ~£40.
Watched video you done on mx mechanical mini looks like perfect choice for me. Want something more simple looking.
Thanks for sharing. Yea, I've seen some Chinese ones too, but not many options for full size. I'll let you get back to work. Take care.
A good review, but somehow you've missed the most amazing, important features of the scrolling wheel: 1) That it _automatically_ unlocks and spins freely if you jerk it quickly enough -- no need to even press the unlock button; 2) That it's a solid piece of metal with huge inertia, so it spins for a very long time (seconds on end), and, in addition, the cold, finely machined metal just feels amazing compared to the regular rubberized plastic.
Hey Sergey, thanks! I actually turn off Smart Shift because I like to have it on free spin all the time, but you're right, I should have mentioned that feature for people who are not aware of it. Once you get spoiled with how smooth and fluid the scroll wheel is, it's really hard to consider other mice for sure.
@@DemCrumblies I guess it also meant that there's no difference on the wheel then?
@@AnanananChin You're correct, there is no change on the magspeed wheel. However, the horizontal side scroll wheel feels a little stiffer on the MX 3S. Maybe it will loosen up over time though?
@@DemCrumblies Horizontal wheel is super loose and sensitive. Just bought it for a month and already had a million accidental scrolls. :D
also realized that the middle wheel can shift left/right just a little bit to make a clicking sound, not sure if it's just mine or a general thing
3 months ago bought MX Master 3, rechargeable battery is already dead.
Luckily, still have old MX Master. I was using it probably for more than 10 years and it is still alive. The size of it is match better. Master 3 is smaller for my hand.
Sorry to hear that. If it's only been 3 months, you can contact Logitech directly. I had to do that before with another model and they shipped me a replacement because it was under a year.
@@DemCrumblies already did, but it’s very surprising to have this issue so soon.
@@FuadJavadov Yea that's strange. Both my MX3 and MX3S are still working well. Maybe it's a battery issue if you say it's dead.
is it just me ? My mx master 3 have cursor lag.. and it's noticeable.. So, is there any lag on the mx master 3s? is it worth changing from 3 to 3s?
Hi X Bello, are you on Windows or Mac? I'm on Windows, but I don't experience any cursor lag. I also use the Bluetooth connection instead of the USB receiver. Logitech said that the USB receiver is best for connectivity. I think if you are experiencing cursor lag on the 3, you will have the same issue on the 3S, because the only two changes from what I can see are the quiet clicks and an upgrade from 4000 DPI to 8000 DPI.
@@DemCrumblies I'm on windows.. I use the receiver (thought it would be faster) I think I should prolly switch to Bluetooth then.
@@DemCrumblies quick update .. Yes, I am getting better result using Bluetooth mode.. thanks a lot! And I'll get the 3s coz I like the white and the silent clicks on it.
@X Bello That's great to hear! Enjoy 😀
I love my mx, just think it could be a little longer and a touch lighter, if it were I wouldnt even think of having s second mouse just for gaming
Yea for longer fingers they can protrude off the buttons. Which mouse do you use for gaming btw?