The regs make your head spin reading all the exceptions , sub sections and links to other sections - just say RCDs are required, its the same for everyone then and not ambiguous
@@efixx i have heard it is written by lawyers or legal people rather than sparks, do you think there is any truth to this? [hence all the legal jargon]
As a livestock farmer, this was very interesting. I have gone into many farmers and turned on the lights to find out that there is just one working in the far corner of the shed. Most places have missing either. Every time it rains things, go pop. This is not at my farme off cores
Excellent video, thanks for useful info! Use of RCD was an issue on portable equipment with inverter or variable speed drives due to nuisance tripping, sorted now with new RCD type B availability
TPN 32A socket outlet feeding a washing machine. Wiring to the outlet is SWA. Could RCD be risk assessed. Isolation switch provided prior to socket outlet.
Unlike domestic plugs in the UK, which are individually fused, ideally to match the load. The industrial plugs aren’t fused - so depend on over current and RCD protection ideally in the outlet.
How can the RCD exception work as structured in BS7671 in a workplace, and non-discrimination legislation be complied with? If "disabled people" are class BA3, and that places a workplace which might consider employing disabled people into (i) and therefore not activating the risk assessment exception, how can a workplace have been said to have made reasonable accommodations? Given places install ramps etc, an RCD is a very minor change.
A bunch of exceptions, but is there any place an RCD COULDN'T be installed? Seems more logical to work on the assumption that one must always be installed.
You could put them in a data centre but no data centre I have seen has the commando sockets feeding the racks protected by an RCD and none of the PDUs in the racks do. It would be utter madness to do so. As regards disabled people if you are disabled basically get the f out the data centre. They are not suitable places for someone wheelchair bound or with limited mobility to be in. If for no other reason if the fire suppression goes off you have to evacuate the area immediately. That is before the fact there are no reasonable adjustments to be made.
411.3.3 could be in breach of disability discrimination rules. There's no reason that many disabled instructed persons wouldn't have the capacity to do the same as an able bodied instructed person. I appreciate that disabled probably applies to those with diminished capacity, but someone in a wheelchair could be trained to use the connector but it's not allowed under the rule.
Ha, just written the same thing @BobHannent . Maybe BA3 is defined to be only disabled people not trained (electrically). Shows I should read all the comments before opening my mouth!
I'm sorry Joe but that was rubbish..... you presented the application of these devices with the relevant and applicable UK regulations, identifying how they should and should not be used in varying situations. By doing so you have given the trolls nowhere to have a go and nor to make themselves feel worthy of praise. How dare you! Go and sit in the corner and think about what you've done. 👌
That is correct... if you want an appliance cable to be protected by its own fuse, to prevent a whole circuit tripping, with a plug that has the line conductors pins covered in a protective sheath to prevent electrocution when pushing the plug in or pulling it out, AND being wired in such a way that the flex is secured in place and, should that fail, the length of the conductors in the plug are so designed that the last to be pulled out is the circuit protective conductor is very much a joke. Ping! There goes another rib.
@era2755 The only downside is when it's unplugged and left on the floor. My friend had to go to a&e when he walked around the house barefoot. Apparently, it's worse than Lego.
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The regs make your head spin reading all the exceptions , sub sections and links to other sections - just say RCDs are required, its the same for everyone then and not ambiguous
Yur, that's pretty much the case for most special locations. 👍
@@efixx i have heard it is written by lawyers or legal people rather than sparks, do you think there is any truth to this? [hence all the legal jargon]
@@thekoalawasbrown It would have to be lawyers with electrical training or lawyers with electricians advising them if that was the case.
@@mfx1BS7671 is definitely not written by electricians.
It is written by electrical engineers.
@@thekoalawasbrown The wording "Not Exceeding" is a typical lawyer prasing so more than likely.
As a livestock farmer, this was very interesting. I have gone into many farmers and turned on the lights to find out that there is just one working in the far corner of the shed. Most places have missing either. Every time it rains things, go pop.
This is not at my farme off cores
Excellent video
Excellent video, thanks for useful info!
Use of RCD was an issue on portable equipment with inverter or variable speed drives due to nuisance tripping, sorted now with new RCD type B availability
Thanks Joe. Great video. WOW!! Lots of information in this video 👍
Thanks Chris. 😊
TPN 32A socket outlet feeding a washing machine. Wiring to the outlet is SWA. Could RCD be risk assessed. Isolation switch provided prior to socket outlet.
I thought the German VDE regs couldn't be more diverse and more obscure, but once again I got corrected...
In Scotland these are called 'shockits' best pronounced in a Sean Connery style
Unlike domestic plugs in the UK, which are individually fused, ideally to match the load. The industrial plugs aren’t fused - so depend on over current and RCD protection ideally in the outlet.
How can the RCD exception work as structured in BS7671 in a workplace, and non-discrimination legislation be complied with? If "disabled people" are class BA3, and that places a workplace which might consider employing disabled people into (i) and therefore not activating the risk assessment exception, how can a workplace have been said to have made reasonable accommodations? Given places install ramps etc, an RCD is a very minor change.
This is a really interesting point actually. 👍
14:09 type AC - surprising.
A bunch of exceptions, but is there any place an RCD COULDN'T be installed? Seems more logical to work on the assumption that one must always be installed.
You could put them in a data centre but no data centre I have seen has the commando sockets feeding the racks protected by an RCD and none of the PDUs in the racks do. It would be utter madness to do so. As regards disabled people if you are disabled basically get the f out the data centre. They are not suitable places for someone wheelchair bound or with limited mobility to be in. If for no other reason if the fire suppression goes off you have to evacuate the area immediately. That is before the fact there are no reasonable adjustments to be made.
The whole thing about IP ratings seems stupid. Any IP rating SHOULD surely include protection against those below
411.3.3 could be in breach of disability discrimination rules. There's no reason that many disabled instructed persons wouldn't have the capacity to do the same as an able bodied instructed person. I appreciate that disabled probably applies to those with diminished capacity, but someone in a wheelchair could be trained to use the connector but it's not allowed under the rule.
Ha, just written the same thing @BobHannent . Maybe BA3 is defined to be only disabled people not trained (electrically). Shows I should read all the comments before opening my mouth!
Wow. This species.
Ooooookay? 🤔
What a sad ending…. Indeed, an end of an era…
yea, don't show the actual socket. Surely that's not important. WTF?
I'm sorry Joe but that was rubbish..... you presented the application of these devices with the relevant and applicable UK regulations, identifying how they should and should not be used in varying situations. By doing so you have given the trolls nowhere to have a go and nor to make themselves feel worthy of praise. How dare you! Go and sit in the corner and think about what you've done. 👌
Plain English please 😂😂😂
Calling the UK power plug a marvel of engineering is a Joke right? Its one of the worst out there only surpassed in terribleness by the US plugs.
Erm, incorrect.
@era2755 name a better plug then
That is correct... if you want an appliance cable to be protected by its own fuse, to prevent a whole circuit tripping, with a plug that has the line conductors pins covered in a protective sheath to prevent electrocution when pushing the plug in or pulling it out, AND being wired in such a way that the flex is secured in place and, should that fail, the length of the conductors in the plug are so designed that the last to be pulled out is the circuit protective conductor is very much a joke. Ping! There goes another rib.
@era2755 The only downside is when it's unplugged and left on the floor. My friend had to go to a&e when he walked around the house barefoot. Apparently, it's worse than Lego.
Which is best in your opinion?
Thats great cripples in the last and lower group again