Bravo.. finally, someone who is willing to address the decline in church membership by not just blaming Christians who are reluctant to join churches with narcissistic, egotistical, abusive and power-hungry pastors...
@@charmolypi999 those who have been born again.. The spirit of truth living in them..guiding them into all truth.. God is not only love.. He is also judge and just..giving all who deny Christ..exactly what their actions deserve.. Rev 14:10-11
@@charmolypi999 I don't have a problem you do.. Simply because you don't like the clear interpretation of scripture.. The Holy Spirit guides us and teaches us.. We are imperfect people and no one will have everything perfect.... However it is clear those who know God and Those who have made up a god based on their interpretation of Gods word. 2 Tim 2:15.. Also 1 John 2;26-27..
THANK YOU! THANK YOU! THANK YOU! This more helpful than you could know. I feel lachrymose, finally hearing a strong, direct affirmation about what I've been hesitant to believe.
I saw derogatory comments toward Paul Washer when he pounded the pulpit about Joel Osteen's teaching. Once in a while I like to see some righteous rage!
I know you aren't ruling out altogether the way I've experienced spiritual abuse, in fact in your clip, you mentioned it briefly and I appreciate that, but I have a hard time believing that spiritual abuse by a pastor is really encompassed mostly be soft flattery. My own experience has been pastors accusing members of sin requiring repentance, but without specific "charges," lying about their own conduct, shouting at church members on church grounds, and wrongly applying passages about unbelievers to faithful saints (Mark 4). I'd like to hear more about this, as I see that as a much more common and damaging form of spiritual abuse.
@@charmolypi999 Yes, often love is rebuke. Have you read the words of God throughout the OT? There are more rebukes than comforts. Have you read the words of Christ in the NT? There are more rebukes than comforts. Was God being unloving? Was Christ being unloving? The endemic is feminist heresy infecting the Church and its handling of God's Word; Reformed tradition is the remedy.
@@charmolypi999 My assertion has absolutely nothing to do with Calvinistic doctrine; do you actually know what you're talking about, or are you babbling? I came to that "calculation" by frequently being in the Word of God, and growing in the knowledge of it. I'll ignore your brazen ignorance and confusion regarding Biblical orthodoxy, as the incredible degree of it leaves me not knowing where to start. I did notice, however, you did not attempt to answer my question. Are the countless rebukes found in God's word "unloving"? Please explain.
@@charmolypi999 Actually no; my assertion was made to correct your effeminate conception of Biblical love. You spoke for the feminist zeitgeist by presenting love and rebuke in opposition to one another, and that had absolutely nothing to do with Calvinism, although I find your vexed fixation there entertaining. 15 centuries, eh? Augustine lived in the 300's last I checked, and the Apostle Paul, who wrote Romans 9 (check it out) lived long before him. It was in the 300-400's that Augustine refuted the heretic Pelagius, who, like you, denied God's sovereignty over man's salvation. Augustine was considered by the reformers to be preeminent among the fathers of the protestant reformation. That was long before the 1500's. Biblical doctrine didn't emerge from the protestant reformation, you silly goose; the reformation simply insisted on returning to it after many dark years of wicked, Papal heresy. See the etymology of the word RE-formation; that is, a return to Biblical orthodoxy. Who exactly are these foundation-laying men you speak of?
@@matthewdyer2926 are yeah, I get that, there’s a difference between firmness and squishiness and screaming at the sheep and humiliating them and lying about them. So you’re creating a false dichotomy here that I’m not suggesting at all.
I disagree. Covid restrictions were a state mandate. Any church who has signed a 501c3, or any other so-called tax-exempt contract, (churches are not and have never been taxable in the USA) has legally agreed that they are a creature of the state, and therefore the state, not God, is their highest authority. For instance, if you have such a contract and disobey it, it is sin, And if you obey it and disobey God, it is sin. Therefore, being under any such contract is sin.
Bravo.. finally, someone who is willing to address the decline in church membership by not just blaming Christians who are reluctant to join churches with narcissistic, egotistical, abusive and power-hungry pastors...
There is no authority for a pastor outside of Gods word...
@@charmolypi999 doesn't matter who agrees..only what God says in His word
@@charmolypi999 those who have been born again.. The spirit of truth living in them..guiding them into all truth.. God is not only love.. He is also judge and just..giving all who deny Christ..exactly what their actions deserve.. Rev 14:10-11
@@charmolypi999 I don't have a problem you do.. Simply because you don't like the clear interpretation of scripture.. The Holy Spirit guides us and teaches us.. We are imperfect people and no one will have everything perfect.... However it is clear those who know God and Those who have made up a god based on their interpretation of Gods word. 2 Tim 2:15.. Also 1 John 2;26-27..
@@charmolypi999 Romans 8:16..1 jn 4:13..2 cor 1:22..
I agree with him. I feel that many churches failed the flock by closing the churches.
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THANK YOU! THANK YOU! THANK YOU!
This more helpful than you could know. I feel lachrymose, finally hearing a strong, direct affirmation about what I've been hesitant to believe.
I saw derogatory comments toward Paul Washer when he pounded the pulpit about Joel Osteen's teaching. Once in a while I like to see some righteous rage!
Isa 54:17
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I know you aren't ruling out altogether the way I've experienced spiritual abuse, in fact in your clip, you mentioned it briefly and I appreciate that, but I have a hard time believing that spiritual abuse by a pastor is really encompassed mostly be soft flattery. My own experience has been pastors accusing members of sin requiring repentance, but without specific "charges," lying about their own conduct, shouting at church members on church grounds, and wrongly applying passages about unbelievers to faithful saints (Mark 4). I'd like to hear more about this, as I see that as a much more common and damaging form of spiritual abuse.
@@charmolypi999 Yes, often love is rebuke. Have you read the words of God throughout the OT? There are more rebukes than comforts. Have you read the words of Christ in the NT? There are more rebukes than comforts. Was God being unloving? Was Christ being unloving?
The endemic is feminist heresy infecting the Church and its handling of God's Word; Reformed tradition is the remedy.
@@charmolypi999 My assertion has absolutely nothing to do with Calvinistic doctrine; do you actually know what you're talking about, or are you babbling?
I came to that "calculation" by frequently being in the Word of God, and growing in the knowledge of it.
I'll ignore your brazen ignorance and confusion regarding Biblical orthodoxy, as the incredible degree of it leaves me not knowing where to start. I did notice, however, you did not attempt to answer my question. Are the countless rebukes found in God's word "unloving"? Please explain.
@@charmolypi999 Actually no; my assertion was made to correct your effeminate conception of Biblical love. You spoke for the feminist zeitgeist by presenting love and rebuke in opposition to one another, and that had absolutely nothing to do with Calvinism, although I find your vexed fixation there entertaining.
15 centuries, eh? Augustine lived in the 300's last I checked, and the Apostle Paul, who wrote Romans 9 (check it out) lived long before him. It was in the 300-400's that Augustine refuted the heretic Pelagius, who, like you, denied God's sovereignty over man's salvation. Augustine was considered by the reformers to be preeminent among the fathers of the protestant reformation. That was long before the 1500's.
Biblical doctrine didn't emerge from the protestant reformation, you silly goose; the reformation simply insisted on returning to it after many dark years of wicked, Papal heresy. See the etymology of the word RE-formation; that is, a return to Biblical orthodoxy.
Who exactly are these foundation-laying men you speak of?
@@matthewdyer2926 are yeah, I get that, there’s a difference between firmness and squishiness and screaming at the sheep and humiliating them and lying about them. So you’re creating a false dichotomy here that I’m not suggesting at all.
@@Tylerstrodtman I was responding to Alexis, but it looks like her posts all disappeared. I don’t disagree with your initial post.
Totally on point
Mars hill Mark driscol is a perfect example
Spurgeon nailed it on this subject.
❤❤❤ most pastor today are like modern pharisees and saducees
Awesome
Fire!! Yes!!
The Webbonator. Fire.
Thanks!! Haha.
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I disagree. Covid restrictions were a state mandate. Any church who has signed a 501c3, or any other so-called tax-exempt contract, (churches are not and have never been taxable in the USA) has legally agreed that they are a creature of the state, and therefore the state, not God, is their highest authority. For instance, if you have such a contract and disobey it, it is sin, And if you obey it and disobey God, it is sin. Therefore, being under any such contract is sin.