Week 276 - Can the Americans Stop the Kamikazes? - WW2 - December 9, 1944
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- This is a very busy week of the war. In the west, the Americans manage to reach the Roer River in force, but haven't taken any of its dams; in Italy, the Allies liberate Ravenna; the Soviet advance in Hungary continues, and the Soviets even set up a new Hungarian government; martial law is declared in Greece; the Japanese make a corridor to Indochina; the fighting on Leyte continues, and the kamikaze menace becomes ever more worrisome.
00:00 INTRO
01:10 British intelligences failure
01:55 Allies reach the Roer River
05:35 Problems with Devers’ 6th Army Group
07:41 Allies liberate Ravenna
08:50 Soviet advances in Hungary
12:10 Soviets set up a new Hungarian government
13:47 A deadly demonstration and martial law in Greece
18:33 Japanese establish a corridor to Indochina
19:59 Leyte and kamikaze attacks
23:45 CONCLUSION
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Great video again, but Nagykanisza name is wrong. It is Nagykanizsa. :)
LOL
Just a heads up, at 9:03, on the map the name of Nagykanizsa is misspelt as "Nagykanisza"
Was his girlfriend called ivana tinkel😂
Mr. Cox tried to launch his own CZcams channel, but the incorrect presumption that it was pornographic doomed it from the start.
I think we all can agree that Seymour Cocks deserves his own episode
I appreciated Indy's pause after mentioning him.
These guys make documentaries not porn videos
We demand the Seymour Cocks Biography Special
And his wife name is? Siena seymours cock
At the very lest, what kind of parents names their child "Seymour Cocks" needs to be answered.
Hats off to Indy for delivering the name of a certain Labour MP with a straight face. Being live, he must have been under some pressure and I'm sure everyone else in the room was silently rolling around with tears in their eyes.
He did hesitate a second. Have to wonder how many takes it took
The pause is great
That silent pause was deafening
What were Seymour's parents thinking. Could you imagine a kid in school now?
He'd be a statistic for teenage suicide or patricide!
Well done indeed Sir
Indy's expression and silence when Seymor Cock's picture appears is comedy gold🤣
How many people wouldn't have given it a second thought had he not paused for a couple of seconds?
Gave me a good laugh as well, thanks for watching!
- Jake
I’m glad to Seymour Cocks standing up for what’s right. he will surely go down in history an outstanding member of Parliament
Seymour Cocks standing up tall!
Seymour Cocks stood as a Member in the Lower Chamber
Truly a visionary in his field
He was a hard opponent, and a stiff member.
He always stood firm
"This prompts Seymour Cocks" (dramatic pause)... Indy, thank you for brightening my day with with a hearty laugh! 🤣🤣🤣
I must apologize for my adolescence, but the three second pause after saying Seymour Cocks might be the greatest moment of this entire series 😂😂😂
I hope not.
Thanks for watching!
17:38 I haven't laughed that hard since I started watching you in 1916, well done indy!
I loved that pause :D
You've been watching for 107 years?
@@joshjwillway1545 and indy's been broadcasting for 109
@@pnutz_2 Bros ageing like wine
I had to pause the video, myself.
This reminds me about an interview on TV many years ago with an Argentine Navy pilot during the Falklands war: "We would fly to where the British ships were, fire our missiles, then go home and turn on CNN to see if we hit our targets."
One of the units that was deployed to Panama prior to Operation Just Cause in 1989.
Found out they were on alert from the TV.
There was stock footage of vehicles like theirs being loaded.
The battaluon commander called the Pentagon to find out.
British TV pictures were delayed for about three weeks, allegedly because of the remoteness of the battlefield. But in reality it may have been an attempt at news management.
In Saudi Arabia in 1991 we'd flip on the news while sitting in our air raid shelters during missile attacks. That's how we knew if they were headed for us or for Israel. It was accurate enough that we didn't wait for an all clear signal before going back to bed if they weren't launched our way.
When the Chinese intervened in the Korean War, initially their intelligence got a lot of information from reading Western newspapers, especially American ones like the New York Times. The lack of military censorship in what was officially a "police action" came in useful. The Americans only started censoring the press well into 1951.
Nice story but CNN didn't operate the USA before 1985. I believe the original said BBC World Service radio.
That pause without breaking on Seymour's name was brilliant.
Gave me a good chuckle too!
- Jake
@@WorldWarTwo My guess is that somewhere there is outtake footage of that delivery. There's no way Indy did that without a break somewhere.
No matter what happens this week, I just know that the next few weeks on the western front will be nice and calm with no major german offensives
*Die Wacht am Rhein plays in the background *
American soldier: Why do I hear boss music?
Yeah, last week Antwerp is fully operating. I think that city is far out of Germany's focus.
Yes definitely. Who fking attacks in snow deep winters... Arden't 😅??
Yeah, the 101st Airborne is also going to have nice vacation that they deserved after months of combat. I heard that Bastogne is a pretty good place for their R&R, its not like the town is near the frontlines or something.
Yeah, I mean some attack to Antwerp, as a Brit might say, is bloody mental. Allied airpower (the weather will surely be always ok for flying) will wipe them out and it's not like they can hold it for a reasonable enough time to make the allies pull back.
The Kuomintang just stashing a bunch of guns and munitions in a city very near the front line and just forgetting about them is an important pointer as to why the Communists eventually won.
Yeah. I've read the suggestion that if the active civil war hadn't resumed most of mainland China might have ended up like Taiwan is now. It seems implausible. Kuomintang was a mess.
Some corrupt general probably sold them but whoever bought them never made it to pick them up.
@@Raskolnikov70 Possible. Many Kuomintang commanders were more like warlords than anything else.
Chiang Kai Shek also had a practice of assigning artillery and tanks to favoured commanders, but rather than use them, they would often hoard them as symbols of prestige. Some commanders or their subordinates would sell off weaponry.
This is precisely the reason why CCP victory after WW2 isn't a "concidence" or "entirely attributed to Japanese invasion because it gave communist part breathing room". No. While nationalists had american support and a much better equipped army, the entire nationalist army are warlords held together by promise of money and power, while communist party had a singular goal of "making china communist". The promise of shared farmland is also a favorable condition for the peasants, most of whom still lives under a fedual lifestyle under nationalist regime. While WW2 no doubt accelerated nationalists' defeat, even assuming that japan didnt invade and it were able to win the 1st chinese civil war, it is almost inevitable that anothe civil war would happen under nationalist rule, which would again be a breeding ground for communist ideology.
I have a friend whose grandfather served in a Chinese army unit that for a time only fought with swords, presumably due to lack of ammo and/or guns. They apparently defeated Japanese units in at least one battle armed like this. While bad ass and I get why my friend brags about this, the bigger problem is obvious.
Taking Ravenna is a major prize. Remember, that's where the Emperor of the Western Roman Empire is located.
Protected by the mighty swamps of Ravenna
For a while, but Charlemagne moved it to Aachen, and it moved around after that, ending up in Vienna until it was dissolved in 1806.
@@brucetucker4847That's a different "Roman Empire" I believe😅
Getting kicked out of Ravenna means you'll have to build a more equitable society in the lagoons.
I am still laughing. I'm trying to stop, but I just can't, Seymour Cocks.
Being german with two german grandfathers - one of them having been a devout nazi, and the other one a free mind who never joined any political party, while both of them had to fight in the war - and having heard all the going narratives from both sides I´d never expect that your reports on the final apocalyptic months of the war would trouble me so much. My god, what have we done. This is nightmare stuff. And what consequences have befallen my fatherland. - Keep up the good job, TimeGhost!
Thanks for taking the time to share that with us and for watching!
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17:42 The most unfortunate name any politician could ever have
Bit of irony, USS Ward fired the first shot on Dec 7th 1941, and was sunk Dec 7th 1944.
And the destroyer who sank her was commanded by her captain that day.
She served her duty well those 3 years
It's amazing how often "conqueror" and "liberator" become synonymous during war. 🤷🏻♂️
The side that wins always refers to itself as the liberators.
@@Raskolnikov70Tell that to William the Conqueror.
@@Rocket1377Yup…saved England from becoming too English. Just as the Vikings saved it from boredom and all those pesky thatched houses.
@@Raskolnikov70 or tell that to Ivan IV - aka:
*"You-May-Call-Me-the-Best-Dad-Ever."*
We come not as CONQUERERS, but LIBERATORS
Bane, 2012
Little known fact: Seymour Cocks lost his seat in Parliament to his bitter political rival Eaton Beaver.
This comment deserves more appreciation! 😂
@@darrenkoch1718 Yes, most underrated comment
I've never laughed so hard in my entire life. That poor man. Another brilliant episode and Indi? Leslie Nielsen would approve of your deadpan delivery.
Thank you very much for the lovely comment and thanks for watching!
- Jake
Man, Greece can’t catch a break in either World War
I love the FULL 2 SECOND PAUSE after the name Seymour Cocks. No need for a joke. The pause says everything. Seriously tip top notch
17:39 I *_LOVE_* that pause with zero expression, that just blew any kind of joke out of the water because we sooo expected a pun there 🤣 Well done everyone!
Three of my uncles served on destroyers in the Pacific. Their ships all came under seemingly never-ending waves of Kamikaze attacks. One of my uncles said that the only thing you could do was try to blow them out of the sky before they hit your ship. Fortunately, his destroyer managed to survive.
Thanks for sharing that and thanks for watching.
That Soviet enveloping manoeuvrer north of Budapest connects to my family history.
One of my grandfathers escaped being drafted into the army at the time of the invasion of the Soviet Union due to medical exemption, but he was drafted anyway two years later. We know about his military life in relatively great detail due to long letters he wrote to his wife, which show a Hungarian reserve army in bad shape and very low spirits. His military service consisted of being bombed (by mostly US planes) in various barracks. His unit was finally ordered to enter battle during this Soviet push north of Budapest, to a position near the small city of Vác. However, the very first meeting with a Soviet armoured column resulted in the complete dispersal of the unit. My grandfather decided to desert, and walked home on foot (to a village some 50 km further north).
Good story, your grandfather must've been a brave man. To desert while potentially having to deal with death sentence and not being scared of admitting to his family to have deserted.
@@Szpareq I don't think my grandfather would have considered himself brave. He, like thousands of others in those years, faced several dangers whichever choice he made: being shot as a deserter, being rolled over by the Soviet army, dying of hunger or cold on the road, and getting captured by the Soviets on the battlefield before finding an intact Hungarian unit.
@@Szpareq Addledum: I think in my family, the truly brave ones were the women. Here are three stories.
This grandfather of mine who walked home arrived to learn of a tragedy. When the front passed, the female members of the family hid out in a forestry house, but it was no use: a mortar shell (fired by Germans at Russians who fled into the same house) killed two of them, including a mother of two young children. My grandmother had to deal with the bloody aftermath, as well as the Russians whose squad leader was waving a pistol around while drunk (the Russians' Polish-Jewish interpreter helped her). (We know this from a seven-page eyewitness account which she wrote down days later, to be given to the two children when they grow up, but apparently she never had the heart and we found the document stuffed away in a box two decades after her death.)
My _other_ grandfather was younger, only called upon when the actual siege of Budapest began, and survived in a for him very non-heroic way: an aunt of him ordered him into the basement and locked him in there until the front passed. There was more risk in this than one would think if you consider the next story.
Another story that was very non-heroic for a man (but was for a woman) was told to me by that man (an acquaintance of my first grandfather) when he was 80. He was part of the local defence unit of the village, all of whom decided to disband & desert when seeing that they'd have to battle against Soviet artillery on higher ground with mere shotguns. After the Soviets took the village, they went to round up any military-aged men, on suspicion of being soldiers in hiding. This man, an actual soldier in hiding, went to his nanny, who was Slovakian. She was determined to save him, banking on the stereotype that Russians have a special respect for mothers, as well as the similarity of Slovakian & Russian. Three times that night, a Red Army soldier came, but each time, the nanny pleaded him to not take away "her son", and the soldier gave up.
These stories reveal the devastating consequences of war and the creation of anarchy of battle zones. Of course, the brutality of the Russians made things much worse as we are seeing in present day Ukraine.
@@michaelroark2019 Well, fore the record, as brutal and inhumane as the Soviet Red Army was in WWII (and they were), they were still outdone by the Nazis and all of their allies (including Hungary) when they invaded the Soviet Union: the Holocaust, the massacres of civilians to 'avenge' partisan activity, the intentional hunger death of Soviet POWs, and the commandeering of provisions from the local population (a little-covered aspect of the Eastern Front which in effect meant a repeat of the Holodomor).
Nice hesitation, Indy.
Props to Indy for the pause after reading Seymour Cocks' name. The look on his face said it all, he was like "Yep, that's his real name. Get it out of your system." 🤣
This show is a master class in perspective. The actual time scale of continuous fighting. I am constantly struck by how long there has been fighting in Italy. It’s been like a year and a half.
Yeah if it was today.
With the limited movement of the lines people would be telling the Allies to surrender.
Especially if you contrast how rapidly the Allies moved through Sicily and southern Italy, to how much of a slog it's been for a while now.
If Italy had been the US & UK's sole effort in Europe it would have been over long before now. Pulling most of their forces out and dedicating them to the cross-Channel invasion meant relegating Italy to a sideshow with limited support and attention.
It can be hard to comprehend just how long it would have felt when reading about it on a page, it's a world of difference. Thank you for your comment and thanks for watching.
I can't believe someone actually named his child Seymour Cocks and never questioned that decision. Honestly, what's wrong with these people?
Besides this, the approval of the use of police forces and military forces too (local and foreign) on police duty and repression of demonstrations and resistance is probably going to be a common sight in the years to come, and that is deeply disturbing to me. And not just for Greece.
One interesting thing that wasn't mentioned about that Kamikaze raid: The USS Ward, the same vessel that fired the first shots at Pearl Harbor exactly three years earlier to the day, was not sunk outright by the kamikaze hit, but had to be scuttled due to heavy damage after evacuating the survivors. The destroyer that scuttled the Ward with it's guns was USS O' Brien, commanded by the very same William Outerbridge who commanded the Ward on the morning of Pearl Harbor.
I was disappointed Indy did not bring out this unusual factoid. Instead, most of comments and "likes" were about a British MP's name.
22:56 this USS Ward was the destroyer that sank a Japanese midget submarine before the Pearl Harbor attack, but by this time it had been converted to a fast transport (APD). The destroyer that finished off Ward was commanded by William Outerbridge, who had been in command of Ward on December 7, 1941.
I can't imagine the thoughts going through Outerbridge's head when he had to scuttle his old command.
Yes, it's one of the great coincidences of the war.
Up until a few years ago when the midget sub was located by divers.
Cmdr Outerbridge's account of firing on the midget sub was in doubt.
A 5 inch hole in the conning tower ended those doubts.
@@shawnr771 4", but yes. Ward was part of the Wickes/Clemson swarm from WW1, when the UK and US still considered that to be a decent destroyer/anti-destroyer gun.
@@kemarisite Thank you for the correction.
17:40 wonderful delivery of that gag. Indy has great comedic timing!!!!
I think he really nailed that one, thanks for watching!
- Jake
'SeymourCocks' - pause as Indy gives a wistful gaze. ROFL!!!
I am currently in London, I visited Churchill’s War Room and Bunker and I will be visiting the Imperial War Museum.
The pause after Seymour Cocks..... comedy gold!
The Ward that sank on the 8th is the Ship that fired the opening shot in the Pacific in WW 2, at Pearl Harbor it sank a Japanese Two Man Sub trying to enter the Harbor behind a Mine Sweeper. Another note, the Gun that fired that shot was removed for AA guns to be installed and is now on Display in The Twin City's in Minnesota. It was crewed by Naval Resevests from Minnesota.
Thanks for that piece of trivia and thank you for watching!
That pause though. 😆
17:41 thats a great comedic pause
That pause at 17:42 is brilliant
My father was on a British cruiser that provided anti-aircraft cover for the British Pacific Fleet. Kamikaze attempted to sink them several times but were shot down - they had an extremely good fire control system apparently. And of course British carriers had armoured flight decks which made them more difficult to sink.
Thanks for sharing that!
-TimeGhost Ambassador
Glad your dad made it through.
That awkward pause Indy? Perfect.
so let me get this straight:
USS Ward, who fired the first shots at pearl harbor, is sunk on the same day 3 years later by a Japanese kamikaze?
that is poetic as hell.
As others have noted, the commanding officer of the destroyer ordered to finish off the Ward, William Outerbridge, was the commander of the Ward at Pearl Harbor.
Certainly a interesting note of the war, thanks for watching!
I laughed when I misheard "Heinrich von Vietenhoff" as "Heinrich von Beating Off." I was not ready for the deafening silence that followed the announcement of a certain Labor MP.
Germany actually has the element of surprise for the upcoming offensive?
Thats shocking considering what they did at Kursk
The Allies all thought the war would be over in a few weeks. There are none so blind as those who won't see.
There were indications in advance, for example Polish conscripts in the Wehrmacht defecting and saying the Germans were planning something. Some Belgian civilians were able to cross the front line, porous in some places, and said much the same thing. But they were ignored. Most German orders were being given over the telephone as a security measure rather than by radio or Enigma, so some Allied intelligence sources had dried up.
Let's be honest the Eastern Front is a lost cause right now
The element of surprise for once, yes.
Overconfidence. Allied intelligence isn't looking for signs anymore and what random scraps they get, they attribute to other things. Much like Germans themselves slept on Soviet preparations for Stalingrad encirclement operation.
The last time I was this early, the British press was calling this a "phony war". Great episode. I look forward to this every week. I knew a bit about the war before these started but these weekly episodes gave me a sense of time and space. It is easy to reduce the war to a truncated time line. These weekly episodes open it up and make me think about all of the moments that are usually skipped over.
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Thank you very much for watching!
The "Phoney" War came from the US Press. The British Press went with "Bore War" and "Sitzkreig".
That pause was hilarious
My uncle died Dec 6th from burns after his ship (USS Mugford / DD 389) was hit by a kamikaze next to his battle station on Dec 5, 1944, while patrolling the Surigao Strait. He was 17-1/2 yrs. old.
That pause after saying "Seymour Cocks" OMG Indy you kill me 😂🤭
It's not even so much that guy's name as Indy's pause and expression. 😐
Also what's wrong with that guy's parents for naming him that?
He wants to what now? 😂
No one should say "OMG" because it is blasphemous, and enstranges us further from God, who loves us. It's a small thing but it's so easy to stop doing, seek Jesus and repent, because He gives all the things that you can't buy or fake that the world will tell you can be found anywhere else, like a purpose, a future, and peace of mind... sacrifice is the ultimate form of love, what does this world sacrifice for you? God sent His only begotten Son so that you might be saved. Christianity isn't an "us" and "them" thing, you can go to heaven too! Just seek earnestly seek Jesus, prayer is a good way to start
@@AquaTomMovies OMG 🙄
@@AquaTomMoviesOMG, who the hell cares?
@@maddiewadsworth4027that's the family surname. Pretty sure that the dude's dad, grandpa and great-grandpa also had the same surname.
The most impressive thing about this whole body of work, by far, is managing to say ‘Seymour Cocks’ without giggling.
17:43 was the deadest of deadpan stares in the series. Thank you, Indy.
Just wanted to say you're looking very well dressed today Indy.
#17:40 The pause that refreshes... well done
Love the pregnant pause, Indy!
Seymour Cocks right before the Battle of the Bulge... this is some great writing in our timeline...
damn it, that comedic pause at 17:40 was golden
That pregnant pause on Seymour Cocks was fantastic.
That pause after saying “Seymour Cocks” though 😂🤣
That pause and expression was gold 🤣
I enjoy the moment of pause so that the name "Seymour Cocks" can sink in
Okay but where is the link to the donations campaign to fund a Seymour Cocks special episode?
According with agreements with Stalin, Greece was moving into the British zone of influence, so Churchill thought that there was no reason to stand on ceremony with the Greeks
And deciced to ruin a whole nation for the decades to come. A nation that has always been their allies and suffered as much as any during the war.
That must've been the best comedic pause I ever encountered 😂
The fkn pause man 😂 You could've given me 300 takes I would never have pulled it of with a straight face
A little known fact is that Seymour Cocks was related to Ophelia Balls who was the cousin of Hugh Janus.🤣
Almost as precise a forecast as the WW1 “À l’ouest, rien de nouveau”. We in Belgium were soon to feel something in that was perhaps not to be believed. Thank you so much for your exceptional work.
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Poor Seymour
Someone's mum has a sense of humour.
Maybe Indy should have done a 'Bart Simpson call to Moe's Tavern' style opening phone call?
At this point in the war my grandfather was being shipped home from a shrapnel wound. He was 101st. He died before I was an adult but looking back it's obvious. He had survivor's guilt.
The experiences of those who served, often carrying burdens like survivor's guilt, are profound reminders of the lasting impact of war. Thank you for sharing his story with us.
17:43 when it takes all of you not to laugh cause you have to “be professional”
Another excellent episode. Thanks.
Thank you for watching.
Well, Indy, I don't think that what Stalin did in Romania and Bulgaria and Churchil in Greece is what modern war is...
Actually, it seems more as shaping what the new order of the world would be after the modern war!
After this episode though, the rest of the world can see why in Greece there is no VE day celebration, but instead we celebrate the beginning of the war (nothing glorious when you finish the World war with a Civil one - more glory lies in defeating the Italians at the beginning of the war)
I'm ashamed to admit it but all I can recall from this entire video is the deadpan stare from Indy after mentioning Seymour Cocks' role in the Greek drama...
The really fun part of the Ruhr dams is that we will hear a lot of them again in a few months time.
Edit: Seymour Cocks is a great youtuber alias. Just like Hugh Jazz and Dixon Cider.
Neil Donnanblome
The pause says so much!
The pause! Hats off.
17:39 And with that shout out Seymour Cocks stood proudly along side other such contemporary greats as Mike Rotch, Amanda Hugankiss, IP Freely, Jacques Strapp, Hugh Jass and of course namesake Seymour Butts
Mike Hunt,Mike Litoris,and Ballsar Indeep😊
That pause after Seymour! Another Indie genius! 😅
Thank you for the brief pause after saying Seymour’s name. It allowed me to get out a juvenile snicker while still paying attention.
That pause after saying Seymour Cocks was hilarious. 😂
The hesitation with good ol Seymour was on point Indy.
I want a Seymour Cocks Bio-Special Episode please and thank you.
It will be on Onlyfans.
On 7 December 1944, my mother's uncle was killed when a kamikaze struck the bridge of the U.S.S. Liddle which had landed troops on Ormoc.
The Kamikase were partially mitigated by several effective technical and tactical methods. Radar fuses (VT) AA shells, Radar AA Directors, layering AA escort ships (hard on the destroyers), better/ more CAP, and decoy CVE squadrons around the fleet carrier groups. CV deck armour (hanger floor) was 2.5inches on Essexes but 3.5 inches (flight deck) on the CVB and Midway class borrowing from RN experience of the benefits of armoured flight deck and incidentally allowing easier convertion to employment of the harder landing and heavier jets for Korea.
Can't believe we are a week away from the Battle of the Bulge. Enjoy each episode while we can guys. Great stuff Timeghost!
Thanks for the spoiler, now I don't even want to watch the episodes.
@@harrysweeten9417don't worry I didn't say what actually happens in that battle
@@alexamerling79 True but I didn't know about it, but no hard feelings.
Appreciate the comment, thank you for watching!
@@harrysweeten9417maybe you could read books about it or watch documentaries to learn more.
I didnt initially laugh at Seymours name, but that long deadpan stare got me!
Such an unfortunate name, thanks for watching!
Priceless pause Indy
It's very cool to have learned about operations around Düren for the past week or so. My family was stationed at Nörvenich AB, when there was still US military there. We lived in Düren, our apartment a short walk from the Roer. We visited the Dam down south many times.
Amazing work as always.
Thanks you for sharing and thank you for watching.
Another week, and another bunch of things learned. Much appreciation to the research staff.
Thank you for the kind comment and thank you for watching.
17.40 is comedy gold
That pause was brilliant! Well done!
Indy's pause tho 17:39 😂😂😂
Indy is a legend. I love the pause for comic effect 😂.
How many takes did it require to get that Labour MP's name spoken with a straight face?
One thing is for sure, I would definitely like to hear more from Seymour Cocks.
You guys are such an inspiration. I love watching all your channels. Thank you
Thank you so much and cheers for watching!
🤣 Such a good pause timing!
Thanks for another fantastic episode, dear Timeghost team! 👏
Outstanding stuff Indy. Thank you to you, the team and the TimeGhost army.
The Seymore Cocks beat was perfect.