Open Bar #18 - Kenobi finale, Ms Marvel stumbles, Lightyear flops, Jurassic World sucks
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- čas přidán 24. 06. 2022
- Kenobi is finally over. Join me, Nerdrotic, Geeks + Gamers, Disparu and Mauler as we conduct its autopsy.
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It's just weird for Leia to have a relationship with Kenobi that's as strong, if not stronger, than Luke's and yet she's almost indifferent to him in A New Hope.
I'm sure this will be fixed in the New Hope remake
Not to mention in A New Hope it's actually stated by Leia herself that they never met, (in the hologram) but she'd heard a lot about his exploits in the Clone Wars from her father, and was pleading for his help using her father's friendship with Kenobi as an incentive.
@@marcogenovesi8570 my bet is there's still a few loose ends that haven't die-- been tied up yet that need to be dealt with before they'll remake the original trilogy.
@@laughingmask3118 I don't remember her saying they hadn't met before, but it's clear that they have no relationship and no amount of desperate post hoc handwaving will change that.
@@Hexensohn she says: General Kenobi. Years ago you served my father in the Clone Wars. Now he begs you to help him in his struggle against the Empire….
0:00 Introductions
2:29 "Star Wars": Obi-Wan Kenobi
1:14:29 Stranger Things
1:17:04 Tangent back to Kenobi
1:18:14 Tangent to Umbrella Academy
1:18:45 The Boys
1:27:51 Ms. Marvel
1:37:10 Lightyear
1:39:08 Tangent to Jurassic World
1:40:01 Back to Lightyear
1:43:32 Popcorn time
1:47:18 Westworld
1:56:36 Game of Thrones: Jon Snow sequel
1:59:56 Reminiscing on the fall of Game of Thrones
2:03:30 Game of Thrones: House of Dragon prequel
2:04:28 Reminiscing on Better Call Saul
2:05:29 Back to Game of Thrones: Jon Snow sequel
2:08:32 Thor: Love and Thunder
2:14:05 Back to "Star Wars": Obi-Wan Kenobi
2:16:55 Squirrel
2:29:00 Cobra Kai
2:34:04 Knives Out
2:37:09 Rebel Moon
2:40:31 Jurassic World dvd and bluray
2:46:07 Back to "Star Wars": Obi-Wan Kenobi
2:46:52 Back to Jurassic World
2:50:38 Back to back Super Chat questions
2:56:00 The Prestige
2:58:20 Spider-man: Into the Spider-verse
3:00:30 Disney shooting itself in the foot
3:07:28 Future stream for the remaining Super Chats
Thanks for the timestamps
Thank god, you saved me.
Thanks so much
God bless u, Thanks
The hero we needed and likely didn't deserve
Felt like the end of wandavision when Kenobi let Reva go. I was waiting for him to say “they’ll never know what you sacrificed for them”
I do not understand at all how she redeemed herself. She went around and killed plenty of people, practically using victims as spring boards for herself, and they want us to completely forget about it, just because she didn't kill some random defenseless kid. Fuck that. In order to actually be redeemed you should have to actually do things to pay restitution for your wrongdoings in the past. Sorry doesn't heal corpses Reva
@@ThelcarusWing 💯💯
@@ThelcarusWing that’s because Disney’s writers aren’t human nor have any amount of morality to base things on.
I probably would've shot my TV.
They may as well have…
I’ve noticed people don’t say “Did you watch Kenobi? It was great!”. Instead they always ask “hey, what do you think of Kenobi?” As if inviting you to criticize it first so they can feel validated before they start criticizing.
Because it sucks dude
@@peterb5235 Ain't that the truth.
I’m disappointed in my discord/D&D friends cause all of them liked Kenobi and think I’m jaded for disliking it. I pointed out what makes it bad and they said I was nitpicking
@@greenirez2798 I thankfully have a bit more support in my group for thinking Star Wars is garbage now. I hear of hope for Filoni using time travel to reset everything.
I gotten lots of Fb post about Obi Juan from Disney on my timeline and all I seen are people saying how great it is yet the moment you point out something dumb or a major plot hole they turn on you as rabid dogs.
Efap - "How did he know her lightsaber wound was there?"
Owen - "I read the script."
Reva - "what you aswell?"
I feel bad for Joel Edgerton.
He had little to work with
Every other character: "There was a script?"
As someone from the woman species, it's incredibly insulting how disney and Hollywood (on mass) write female characters. It's annoying as hell and patronizing
As a guy, I’m also very offended at Disney and their writing. It’s down right abysmal
@@chasehedges6775 seriously. They're insulting everyone with this shit, yell at and condemn anyone who speaks about it. Pretty insane stuff. Hopefully Disney will lose enough money to sell star wars to someone else. But then again, with a star wars area already built into the parks it might not happen
@@HORSESNDOGS9 💯💯💯
But you're perfect and superior and get everything handed out to you... R-right?
As a omnisexual Plutonian I would also l like to say that Disney disappoints us aliens.
36:55 - now we know what happened in A New Hope when Aunt Beru and Uncle Owen got smoked by the Empire. Beru convinced Owen that they couldn’t leave and they should stay and fight instead lol.
Ĺ😨😨😨
Better Call Saul succeeded where other spinoffs failed because it is carefully curated. It's written with purpose and doesn't lean heavily on the existing characters. The most interesting people in the show are original characters.
One of the best shows ever made
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Yeah BCS is crafted so well. One of the best written shows ever
@@Cryptati0n Indeed
They have put a lot of work into writing their charakters which makes you really care about them. That's something you just don't have with the new Disney stuff.
In a New Hope when Vader says: ‘I feel a presence I haven’t felt since….’ and then wanders off to find where the ‘presence’ is coming from.
The whole point of that powerful moment is that he’s referring to his & Kenobi’s duel on Mustafar which resulted in him being mortally wounded. He’s not referring to any of this utter garbage that’s been shoehorned in.
Disney’s repeated tampering seems hellbent on sucking the pathos from this epic saga & frankly, it’s all bollocks!
I was arguing this with a friend of mine, and he had a pretty good argument based on semantics. He said “technically Vader trailing off like that leaves it open-ended. He never concretely referred to Mustafar as their last encounter” which technically is true, but stupid like you said. You and I along with everyone else always assumed that Vader was referring to the duel on Mustafar, because it was obvious and carries much more emotional weight. Vader’s dialogue in A New Hope “I’ve been waiting for you Obi-Wan, we meet again at last.” is also open-ended, but again I think Vader is clearly referring to Mustafar. Why would he then say “The circle is now complete; when I left you I was but the learner, now I am the master.” That sounds like something he would say when meeting Obi-Wan again for the first time since Mustafar in the new Kenobi series, not in A New Hope. That’s what throws everything off for me
@@jlondono7 absolutely what I thought - so glad I’m not the only one👍
When Vader confronts Obi Wan in A New Hope, the dialogue carries the weight of two old enemies who haven’t seen each other for a considerable amount of time & have an old bitter score to settle. The back & forth describes their previous fight on Mustafar perfectly since Anakin was humiliated for his arrogance & left dying limbless & mutilated. Vader in the years since has matured & tho he is still angry, he has learned to master & control his emotions & has waited patiently for his time to come. Numerous times during Anakin’s training Obi pulls him up about his arrogance & ‘always rushing in’ when he should be patient. So this is what makes his statement ‘when I left you I was but the learner, now I’m the master’ all the more fitting for their duel in RotS & not this nonsensical Disney garbage.
@@jlondono7 y tú ve mi ií
I smell Something i have not Smelled since middle school sloppy joe monday .........
A new hope was written before revenge of the sith, there was to Mustafar
Dang. I sure am glad Disney separated itself from the EU. The mere thought that Obi-wan spared Reva at the end goes completely against who he is, which is crazy to think this show is even related to what came before it: Rebels. In that, he was more than prepared to kill Maul when the guy even hinted that Obi-wan was on Tatooine protecting 'someone'.
... guy had far less knowledge than Reva and yet he had to go. Was Disney simply too afraid to kill off the token black chick?
Marcus Aurelius raping kids had a better storyline
Yes
You simply CANNOT kill a young NPC type. She cannot be shown as evil after this, her redemption is complete.
Sadly, yes, Disney would not dare to have a white man kill a black woman. Even though it breaks Canon, political correctness is the number 1 priority.
And she's the bestest Inquisitor evar, too.
Apparently Yoda was going to be in the first draft teaching Obi Wan. But Miss Kennedy said no, she said there would be too many classic characters and it's not what she wanted the fans to have. This was coming from Ewan.
You know KK. Can't have males being mentors these days.
Of course she did. If we had Yoda or Qui Gon up in this piece we couldn't have been introduced to the sure-to-be timeless characters of Tala and Wade.
You know damn well we'll be quoting them both for generations to come.
Gotta respect Kennedy's devotion to taking her time and destroying each original character separately.
@@winterwolfsden Quoting who?
Thank God. Keep her away from Yoda.
Back in the day, I watched "Empire Strikes Back" so much I broke the VHS tape. Now you'd have to pay me, provide food and an open bar, to get me to watch shit like this. Oh, and gas money, cause this ain't happening in my house.
haaaaaaaaa!!!!!! that great ! i feel the same way!!!
One of my fondest memories was building a blanket fort in the basement w my cousins and watching Empire strikes Back on VHS.. because they had a VHS. That was a big deal then, VCRs were so expensive that people would Rent them (if memory serves me correctly )
Same wore my VHS then wore out a DVD version absolutely love Empire the best of the films in my opinion. A New hope fans will disagree but Empire was so much better!
There is no movie called "A New Hope." You mean "Star Wars."
@@michaelcarney6280 lol me and my bro did that too.
We had the 3 vhs. And we wore out the empire one first, then return of jedi, then before we could kill the 1st one, dvds came out, and our parents bought us the box set.
Kathleen Kennedy: " If there's huge fan engagement and people really want Obi-WOn, we could be open to a 2nd season"
This woman truly doe not understand Star Wars nor what the fans want. An entire galaxy and yet every new project makes the universe feel smaller and smaller. And it is not going to get any better any time soon
💯💯💯💯. It’s pathetic
Star Wars is not Star Wars anymore.
It’s just Fanfiction
For some reason that woman reminds me of MadTV's Dixie Wetsworth and her talk show, "Cabana Chat". ...and her catchphrase, _"You like? ...I like!"_
All she cares about is pushing a Misandric narrative.
Yeah but some fans will never stop gobbling up what Disney dishes out, so Kennedy just pumps out content.
Drinker: "Reva will be around, she'll show up in the Mandalorian."
mannn c'mon, we know where this is headed. The Reva Strikes Back, The Return of the Reva, Reva Awakens, The Last Reva.... its inevitable
@@amazingbakingsoda6811 why not both moms, we have the technology
Reva 2: The Reva Morbs back
I wish this was the Last Reva
@@amazingbakingsoda6811 Oh god no, don't give them ideas.
She wouldn’t get so much flak if she were a good actress, but she was terrible. She just tried way too hard in my opinion, and sometimes her ghetto hood accent would come out. It ruined the immersion, because you know no one talks like that in the Star Wars Universe. Samuel L. Jackson as Mace Windu didn’t speak anywhere near like she did
The Empire sent tie fighters and Tie bombers into the asteroid field in " Empire".
The Millennium Falcon was taking hits from a Star Destroyer and it's the fastest, most agile, and maneuverable ship in the galaxy.
Vader says " I want that ship, not excuses".
The fact that they didn't hit that ship which is probably considerably slower than the Falcon, or didn't send Tie Fighters makes me question how The Empire came to power which such inept leadership.
incompetence kills gravitas. Vader was competent throughout the original trilogy. His plans had moderate success and I felt it was because they were thwarted by competent opponents... not because the plans were braindeadenigly stupid in the first place.
While stormtrooper aiming was so bad in the originals at times it became a meme, their weapons would still kill vanilla Rebels when they needed to, there was no "we can't pierce the shields of the Mon Calamari cruiser" during the Last Jedi slow chase or "we can't even kill a fleeing civilian transport" here.
@@greebj Where was their aim bad? When they were letting Luke Han and Leia escape? They seemed very competent in Empire, Even in RoTJ, once the surprise wore off they were smoking the ewoks if it were not for Chewie getting control of the AT-ST
So glad to see Disparu. Such a fantastic mix of characters on this show.
The reveal of the lightsaber in A New Hope was so memorable. As though a relic of a long distant past was just presented to Luke. It gave you the impression that this was almost sacred and that there were very few of these in the universe. All of these shows just cheapen the past lore and mystery with Jedi, Sith and Lightsabers all seemingly a penny a dozen. The quality is now so low its tragic.
you think in that scene Luke would've have mentioned the time a batsh*t crazy woman chased him through the desert wielding one.
@@calebryan3094 💯💯. Lazy writing
@The Rotten💯 I think people only accepted Maul coming back because of the quality of the stories we got from it, and that it only happened once. So while it does pose a problem, it happened only once, versus the new stuff where they constantly damage the stakes with Rey's new powers as the plot demands, Force healing, and surviving saber stabs to the chest (TWICE in Reva's case).
@The Rotten💯
>the prequels
make sense, the height of the republic before the Jedi's fall
>clone wars, rebels
proto-yidsney trash and jizzney garbage respectively
Darth Maul died at the end of THE PHANTOM MENACE. There. I said it.
Gary from Nerdrotic seriously put in work this week! Don’t know how he and MauLer and AZ can do so many live streams and STILL be entertaining!!!
Im surprised they're all still sane from watching crap like that. They're truly doing a great sacrifice for our entertainment. (And when I mean entertainment, I mean them making fun of these shows, not us actually watching the shitty shows. You couldn't pay me to do that!)
When the star destroyer was firing on the refugee ship all i could think about was dark helmet..."Keep firing, Assholes!"
When Obi-Wan says to Leia, "You're 10 years old... BUT YOU WON'T ALWAYS BE" it is REALLY creepy. Just watch a clip of it.
Tbh, I never found that line creepy.
I took it more as he knows that he knows what she’ll grow up to be.
Rekita was right Jedi are groomers
@@chasehedges6775 it isn't the content of the line, it's his delivery of it. Just re-watch it, you'll see what I mean.
Do you guys need to call Obi a pehdo just to pwn Disney? Seems unfair. It was just a crappy scene, I wouldn't let a Disney employee within a mile of a 10-year-old family member if I had a choice, but they make the same argument about people who like anime that is "pehdo" in THEIR eyes and you are setting them up by embracing their narrative.
@@chasehedges6775she'll grow up to be slave Leia
The fact that for ten years Kenobi was unaware Vader was still alive , during which The Empire has been running rampant through the galaxy, is beyond nonsensical
LaZY WrITing
Writers: We forgot about Revenge Of The Sith.
Sorry. Not sorry
I love how Disparu looks like he has a massive hand!
And gee's and gamers is handling that bottle of whiskey
This is THE All Star cast. Do more. Honestly. Always seems to be one that's a little hard to listen to (and requires fast forwarding haha), but there's genuine chemistry and a lot of talent here. Thanks.
All they're missing is ItsAGundam. I love Sargon, but his wisdom lies in the political sphere.
This is the best lineup. Maybe add Fringy, but thats it
They could have easily had a touching scene where he finally connected with Luke and said something as simple as, "I'm your uncle Ben." after he had accepted his parental role following his journey with Leia, but instead they went with the "Hello there!" line he used to mock General Grevious when he showed up to assassinate him. Absolutely stupid.
BuT hE sAiD tHe LiNe DoOoOoOd!
I thought the "Hello there." line was from when Ben first saw R2 after the Tuskan Raider's knocked out Luke...?
@@the-trustees Both are said, but one is McGregor's line (repeated here) in the prequels, making the original line (still following?) from Alec Guinness just a 3rd repeat...
@@OsellaSquadraCorse But Alec Guiness said it first on screen and THAT is the only thing that matters, not because future writers tried to lazily appropriate a member berry. 😀
Help me Obi Wan Kenobi, you're my only hope. You served my father in the clone wars... and also we just know each other. I'm your friend Leia. Don't you remember me? You leave Tattooine to visit me all the time just for fun, leaving Luke for days at a time. Remember?
Even shows like the incredible hulk (Lou ferrigno ) -every episode -someone makes him angry so he can transform and save/protect someone, had better character development and story arcs than Kenobi. Or even magnum p.i. or Knight rider lol...
They have a budget of 25 million per episode, and this is the best writing they can come up with??
Why not shoot on location instead of overusing CGI mat paintings
So, what I'm getting from this is that it's Beru's fault that she and Owen end up as smouldering skeletons. Chad Owen probably wanted to run from the Storm Troopers when they showed up, but she decided to fight.
Enjoyed seeing Disparu. I only found his channel around episode 3 of Obi Wank Kenobi. Genuinely funny guy.
I highly suggest his Playlist for the halo series was hilarious
@@discipleofdeath2517 I know absolutely nothing about Halo, other than it's a video game. But I'll give it a look sometime, cheers.
@@dangermouse9348 I don't know much either but it was funny to see how bad it was.
@@dangermouse9348 it's a video game that the showrunners didn't go near with a ten foot pole because they're too "cool" to do the required reading. That should give you all the context you need
@@peterb5235 Yeah I've seen a little coverage about it. I know t was not well received by fans.
that uncle Owen and aunt beru bit had me in tears🤣🤣
Reva, a character who literally came out of nowwhere knew who Darth Vader was before Asohka.
No..no.. now; wait. Hold up..
I want you to really think about this: Anakin's own padwan found out the fate of her master (the same one that was present in that Clone Wars Episode 3 15 Overlords) AFTER Reva knew, who had no connection to Anakin whatsoever other than two lighsaber (well one before she told Kenobi) stab wounds.
Just really think about that...that's some real poetry!
Fuck. I didn't even think about that. Hell even before their duel she was getting hints that Vader was Anakin through their connection in the Force but refused to believe it due to gow drastically different the two personalities are. Reva just kinda...deduced(?) that Anakin and Vader were the same guy...
force unleashed un masked vader before look
@@lordkrauser Anakin did stab her in the gut when she was a Padawan. That might have been a clue.
@@JonSmith-hk1bq Yeah but how would she know they're the same people? There are plenty of red lightsaber users working for the Emperor.
i just found this and really enjoy it. It makes for perfect background conversation while im driving as they dont ramble on too long on one particular topic
In the remake, Reva is Obi Wan, Leia is Luke, and Luke is a farmer with brain damage from a fall he had as a kid.
Let's be clear: HOME ALONE (any of them, even the sucky ones) did a better job of securing the base/house than both the proto-rebels and Owen/Beru....
Give me a day and double-sided tape and I would secure the base better than this film did.
The worst treatment of Leia character is in lack of development, she's the Leia from OT in this tiny frame.
So obi wan who does not need character development gets it... And co-protagonist who would benefit from seeing her grow through hardship doesn't.
The poor kid who played Leia man... rough.
@@dreioo8759 💯💯💯
@@dreioo8759 I feel the same way about the girl who played Maisie in those Jurassic World movies.
How cool would it have been if Qui Gon would have shown up to encourage and inspire Kenobi in his last moments and we got an actual interaction between Vader and Qui Gon since he's the one that brought Anakin into this Jedi world initially....that would have been such a cool interaction
I do believe that Disney writers were extremely privileged when they grew up, never had to go through any difficulties in life, everything being handed to them.
They don't know about struggling other than a barista getting their order wrong!
But they explicitly said "double whip venti soy latte" and they didn't get that. You have to understand how difficult that is
Dude I had the same vibe during that scene in the inquisition base, when Rebel Lady was talking to Obi-Wan and no one rose an eye brow.
It's like the writers recalled that moment when they were annoyingly talking on their phone in a quite area like a library or maybe even a Starbucks or whatever, and just because no one stepped up to them and called them out the author really belief that is how it would work in a secret military base.
Or maybe beating up the officer was a self-insert for that one time some one actually stepped up to them and they had to leave and that's their revenge fantasy.
Here's a better story
The grand inquisitor is going way off the rails, Reva tries to reel him in, realizes this isn't what she signed up for, tries to kill the GI, fails, someone gets away, joins Kenobi, fights with him against the empire and either becomes another fulcrum, or is killed off saving one of the characters (for the diversity angle)
That would be a MUCH better show
Becomes kenobi's lover for the diverse couple angle and makes kenobi go through a crisis of faith. Eventually she makes a sacrifice and makes Kenobi promise to keep the affair secret for the sake of balance with the diverse force. Or basically do anything other than what they did
Issue with Thor is that after Infinity War they can't have an even lighter tone than Ragnarok. I'm not against funny bits in Thor, they work when compared to rest of stale Marvel jokes. But after all he's been through and the fact that Gorr is the villan, it should strike a more serious note.
????? Grodd is that gorilla in DC comics...?
@@laughingmask3118 Gorr* Although story with Grodd fighting gods to prove he is a superior ape wouldn't be bad :D
Another bit about the space combat: the rebel ship is ducking and dodging and juking….and everyone inside is just calmly walking around or chilling. What the hell.
Jeremy you read my mind, Man on fire was exactly what I was thinking about when Drinker said his bit.
What a great film.
When kenobi was buried in the rocks they should've played rocky music with qui gone saying "get up you son of a b****, cause qui gon loves you!"
Ha!
I was coming home one night and saw two dudes messing around with some fake lightsabers in a park. I can guarantee their messing around is better than anything that Disney Star Wars has ever created
Can I just say, this is one of the most enjoyable Fandom Menace livestreams I've ever watched. I really like how relaxed it is and the way everyone gets their time to talk without talking over anyone else. As much as I enjoy HeelvsBabyface, I do feel like he is always trying to be the centre of attention on livestreams, and can be pretty frustrating when he interrupts others just to make a joke, or make an extended raspberry noise or whatever. I like how this has everyone talking WITH each other rather than talking TO each other.
Watched the first two episodes of Ms Marvel with my sister. She said the show is boring and predictable and she doesn’t understand how Ms Marvel got her powers even though we watched it. I told “it’s the bracelets.” And she just replied “That’s dumb.”
Mace Windu: "THAT'S IT! I'VE HAD IT WITH THESE MF SITH IN THIS MF GALAXY!"
From Taika Waititi himself... "It's like we asked a bunch of 6 year olds what they wanted in a movie and we just said yes to everything. Ok. It's like, it is, it's so ridiculous...." about Thor Love and Thunder on "The Late Show with Stephen Colbert."
I hate what Disney has done to lightsabers. A wound from a lightsaber has no consequence any more. Everyone just... Is fine afterwards and they get better. I'm a sword guy and can tell you, if I had a light as a feather effin Lazer sword that cut through heavy steel doors it certainly carve people up and make them completely irreparable with ease. I mean Reva had a giant hole burned clean through her and its just fine. To be fair, it ticked me off when Darth Maul was apparently fine as well so it started before Disney I suppose but seriously, where are the consequences? There are no stakes without consequences.
Plot armor stops lightsabers and instantly heals any wounds caused by them. OWK should have given that to Luke in A New Hope.
Been waiting for this one to hit the channel, I missed most of it live
I love this content
Idk why it takes a week after the stream, in terms of distributing content
When and where do they do these streams? I would like to catch them live.i don't think I've seen th m pop up live in my feed before.
@@givenfool6169 critical drinker goes live on his main channel, I think. Then the archives make their way here but sometimes it takes the guy a few days.
@@honestcomrade thanks
How did Luke's aunt and uncle die? Stormtroopers can't hit the sky at two paces.
Leia is so un likable in the whole series. From the first to moment she never feels like in any danger. I have a 6 yr old who would absolutely not be allowed to act or talk like Leia does to anyone. This Leia is going to grow up to be entailed, annoying and very full of herself the way people treat her.
Kenobi gets his rocks off thinking about ten year old Leia.
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"His voice is different because he's the actor from the in-universe movie". In Toy Story 2 Woody watches "Woody's Roundup", an old show about Woody, where Woody had the same voice.
These videos make my evenings. Sit back with a beer and RuneScape open.
This series should been something like the John Wayne movie The Searchers, using his skills to help people but finding there isn't a place for an old Jedi/Gunslinger anymore. No Vader, no Leia just a side story.
Genius idea
The novel Kenobi by John Jackson Miller
Except at the end of the first season, in the last few seconds we get introduced to Vader who has found Kenobi cos his hilarious hijinks has ousted him
The big problem with, "Disney Star Wars", fans is a lack of emotional maturity. Tom Scott accidentally phrased it brilliantly in a recent video. He was talking about re-watching a childhood show and said the following: "No one in the entire episode, human or alien, acts in any rational way. It's all just an excuse for cool action scenes and explosions. And as a kid I didn't notice any of the plot holes, because there were cool action scenes and explosions."
The modern audience is emotionally stunted. They have no emotional maturity. They're children. They only care about the emotionally stimulating sugar coating of things. Like a child, they eat the easy toppings off the pizza and refuse to eat the crust. They peel the icing off the cake and don't care about the gist of it. They just want the flash and nostalgia.
A massive plot hole is that Darth now knows There’s a connection with Kenobi and Leia. Reva kidnapped Leia to draw Kenobi out. Vader would then do the same thing 🤦🏻♂️
Really hoping Top Gun is still in the theaters on July 8. Not that I'd buy a ticket to it and sneak into a Thor showing. I'm not saying that at all.
Looking like it will still be there on August 8th at this rate...
I think Disney were trying to get away without paying for the rights to the Imperial March / The Force theme / Leia's theme for the entire series, and then hastily added it all into the last episode at the 11th hour when the fans called them out on it.
Thanks Jeremy Man on Fire is one of my top 10 favourite movies of all time. Every writer in the Kenobi room should have watched that movie to understand how to portray that dynamic. Pita is a strong willed and capable 9 year old and Creasy is a broken man haunted by the sins of his passed ready to give up.
She teaches him how to live and love life again inspite of his demons and he teachers her how to be stronger and overcome her insecurities because she's 9 and she's not a fully formed adult able to handles anything.
It paralells so well with Kenobi you could have told exactly the same story with the same character arc for Kenobi but in an actual believable way like these are real people.
F'ing love that movie man, glad Germy brought it up
This is the first open bar I’ve seen and I love that opening
I didn’t see a single person dressed as a GOT character at Fan Expo.
Kenobi was nothing like the teaser/trailers they released for it. It's like going to the video store and taking LOTR: Fellowship of the Ring off of the shelf but when you open up the case at home there's the first season of Sofia the First inside.
You gentlemen are always an entertaining bright spot in the shit sludge of modern 'entertainment'. Can't wait for all your reviews, rather than the actual content! You're all fucking awesome
When the Thor clip got played I subconsciously tried to close the video so I didn’t have to watch anymore, and then remembered “oh I’m watching drinker”
Fun fact her going to the archives makes no sense because in the Canon Vader comics the librarian returns and blows the whole place up
But, seriously think about it. "Just turn your brain off and enjoy.", that is terrifying.
I have never heard that line come out of an intelligent person. When I do hear that line or something similar I black list that person regarding discussions.
That is kind of scary.
I enjoy listening to you guys when I'm sitting in my office and there's no work. I showed my 6-year-old son the original Star wars after he was playing the with the legos...it was amazing how much he really fell in love with the original. After that he couldn't get 10 minutes into any other Star wars video.
I usually fast forward intros but remembered how much I love this one, it’s open bar!
Same
Love the intro as well
At the very least, they should have had Obi Wan use the Force Persuade to make Luke and Leia forget.
I don't think Disney would walk that path. Too close to grooming and pedo even for them.
The Kenobi/Vader fight was also EERILY SIMILAR to Aang's showdown with Ozai in the ATLA finale
Except Avatar The Last Airbender is better
I still say that The Lost World, the first JP sequel, is a solid, if flawed, adventure movie. At least it managed to keep the majesty and awe of the dinosaurs while being it's own thing. Although admittabley, the gymnastics scene should have been cut out.
Good acting, brilliant cinematography, tense darker tone, great SFX, and solid continuity.
Ya I actually enjoy the lost world. Even jp3 isn't horrible after seeing these new monstrosities
@powdercowboy90 I'll say this about JP3. It at least had a mostly solid 3rd act via the Pteranodon scene and the Spinosaurus boat attack scene.
I'll still say that TLW is a FAR better movie, and I'll even put the first JW movie above it. But JP3 is at least better than the last pair of JW movies due to that 3rd act.
Gymnastics and city scenes hurt and the dudes should not have had guns because 9mm can go through iron so t Rex scale would've been no problem. 7 out of 10 for me
@RandySavage To be fair, the city scene was a tribute to the original 1925 movie adaptation of Sir Arthur Conan Dolye's book, The Lost World. More specifically, when the captured Apatosaurus ran lose at the end of the movie.
I can accept that, but I can see why others were put off by that. And 7/10 is a fair score. Personally, I'd give it an 8 or 8.5 out of 10, but only because I've been a dinosaur fan since 4 and that the movie objectively does far more good than bad.
Lost World was unintentionally hilarious, but that's the best thing I can say about it...
Honestly for the Vader scenes it felt like they just had a bunch of bites from a James Earl Jones soundboard. They almost never matched up with what was happening in the scene or they just outright made 0 sense.
As they were talking about people not watching the original star wars, I don't know if I'm the age group they were really focused on. But I think I'm very lucky that my dad always introduced me to the films from his childhood, Star wars, Jurassic Park, ET, Jaws etc and its always made me respect the past and I only see now that the modern day entertainment industry has become stale. If I grew up with only these new movies I think I could have become a very different person.
I really liked Rogue One. It had some interesting characters, with some decent character arcs. It - most importantly - expanded upon the universe in a way that was not self-destructive.
If every Disney Star Wars movie had that kind of respect for the universe, they might be somewhere today. I look at Rogue One like I do the Mandalorian. Good. Maybe flawed. But it's hard to complain about either when you get Solo and the sequel trilogy just being complete unimaginative and unmitigated crap. I don't really have the motivation to watch Boba Fett or Kenobi after they got rid of Cara Dune - the one actually strong female character and actress that they have been trying to create in every goddamn movie / show since they got the license.
Save yourself, it's not worse the depression you'll get from watching those two shows. If you do want to suffer through them, EFAP uploaded their watchthroughs of the two shows as EFAP Minis.
Soooo accurate. Rogue One and The Mandalorian are THE BEST!
The firing of Gina Carano was the worst decision ever!
It’s gonna be hard watching Mandalorian S3 without her
I used to use Rogue One as an example with others about how a Star Wars movie could be made that differed in tone to the main series and still be good.
Ahh yes, but when you're Mauler and you pause every show or movie every 6 seconds to critique every little detail then you'll find a problem with everything. It's a stupid way to approach things. He's always coming up with stuff like "this one thing the guy said in episode 12 of season 8 makes no sense because of something he saw in episode 2 of season 1. It's horrible writing and nobody should like it. If you do like it just give me 9 hours and I'll explain why you're stupid and wrong."
I refuse to give Disney my dollars or my views. I enjoy listening to you gents break it down. Id say you guys destroy it, but you kind of just explain it and it destroys itself.
Keep up the good work lads.
Go away now.
53:00 - I actually think Tartakovsky's Clone Wars handled this very well. It showed a movie accurate version of Anakin mature/grow into being a much more heroic character.
2:47:03 for those who couldn’t hear what he said; one of my other positives for Dominion is that it introduces new species for the public to look into.
Holy SHIT Drinker THAT'S who Leia reminded me of all this time! She's Lady Mormont lmao I couldn't put my finger on why her character seemed so familiar.
Kenobi even managed to screw up Rogue One, and that was barely passable. The ship that escapes the battle over Scarif should've never escaped if Darth Vader is strong enough in the Force to not only hold a starship in place but pull it back. New Disney content continues to retcon even itself with each new piece made. It's crazy.
Glad Jeremy brought up Man on Fire. One of my favorite films too!
Denzel Washington was phenomenal as usual!
It’s like Rippa says, They have an addiction problem!
so did Vader only force pull that one ship down, and that is the one we've ever seen him do?. so does that mean at the end of rogue one when he's standing there just watching the ship that has the plans for the death Star flying away. He's just going to himself " damn it. I only had one force pull and I had to do it on the decoy ship and here I am watching the ship fly away and damn it the Emperor isn't going to be happy about this one."
The fact that cricket chirps followed the hype of Reva should give Disney a kick-in-the-face clue that the last of the genuine Obi-wan fans had abandoned Star Wars a long, long time ago.
This have to be the best Open Bar yet; didn't seen Kenobi and don't intend to see it but your coverage bring smile on me face. Kenobi has to be most stupid series Disney ever did and that saying something! But modern Lucasfilm have only three stories to tell; 1) "Are we the baddies?" Brave POC who serves Dark Side, discover that what he/she was doing was wrong and joins Light Side; Finn, black chick from "Battlefront II", Indian inquisitor for "Fallen Order" and now Reeeva... 2) broken old man who crewed up and who had to be propped up by strong female character; Jake Skywalker and now Jake Kenobi.... 3) "Badass" taking care of some special child; Mando & baby Yoda and now Jake Kenobi & baby Leia...
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Gosh, I wish Star Wars was under Lucas
@@chasehedges6775 I wish it was in public domain. Lucas is too old to take care of it, so he should give it to fans - they would made better stories than Disney
Reva is the character equivalent of a bedbug infestation.
Astonishingly accurate. Such an awful character
What a trainwreck of a series . The last remnants of the Star Wars that George Lucas built have deconstructed into oblivion by Disney Lucasfilm.
Obi Wan ignored the promise he made to Yoda at the end of Revenge of the Sith to watch over and protect
Luke and the only reason he didn't fail completely as Gary correctly said was not because of something heroic he did but because of the fact Reva did not kill Luke . Reva was such a poorly written character and the way she turned good was so contrived and badly written. Also Leia should never have been in this series or at least not in it for more than 1 episode.
Meanwhile the Vader we got was a pale imitation of the character we saw in the original trilogy . The versimilitude of Vaders' power that he showed at the the Rogue One and the original trilogy has been vastly diminished by the Kenobi show and the legacy of the character diminished by the fact he lost to Obi twice. That said Vader and Kenobi should have never duelled each other in this series the first place.
Like Drinker I do feel a bit sorry for Hayden Christensen who deserved much better material to fully redeem his portrayal of the character.
Also Lucasfilm must be even dumber than I thought if they expect us to believe that an Imperial Star Destroyer cannot blow up a civilian transport.
Also the VFX and camera work and editing was attrocious and the music was the worst I've in Star Wars film or TV media by a huge margin .
I haven't seen something as badly shot or as dark in terms of lighting as the Kenobi show since Aliens vs Predator Requiem aka Alien vs Predator 2. To add insult to injury I also watched Jurassic World Dominion recently too and I thought that was awful too . I might try Stranger Things for the first time to give myself some enjoyment instead.
Totally Agree
I went to AVP2 in the cinema, nightmare fuel of a film in terms of just enduring it.
If you watch Stranger Things, just know it goes down hill fast (by season 2) Season 3 is so bad! Haven't seen season 4, I assume it stayed bad
@@dRoscoAZ I've heard good things about season 4.
Hayden didn't need to redeem anything, his portrayal in the PT films are good.
Just commenting on something you guys mentioned at the end and that is I honestly started watching you guys and realized that I share the same taste in media as you and then when you come out speaking something positive about something, I genuinely take it to heart that it's gonna be something I'm not going to waste my time on. But I still love hearing you shit on the things that if I choose to watch myself I would've been truly at a lose cuz I work full time and got two kids so yeah thanks for enduring that for people like me.
I don't care how fantastic Chris Evans can be at playing Cap, the guy from Reacher is the perfect representation in the flesh of Steve Rogers
Damn! Man on Fire would have been perfect inspiration for this series.
Damn, amazing stream full of starpower.
I love Mauler, but usually find Efaps too long, I like Jeremy and Gary but dont like others on FNT
Drinkers EU format is the best
When I saw the flashback scene with Kenobi and Anakin I honestly thought it was supposed to be one of those "could have been," things. I certainly did not think it was a flashback because they looked so old. It was only when I saw his rat tail that I figured out it was supposed to be the past.
Leia should not even be in this story at all, nothing else to be said about it.
The actress playing her tries so hard though.
Season 3 of The Boys is pretty tight for me, loving it as much as season 1. Best show I've seen In ages and the Homelander casting is great. He is one of those characters that I couldn't see anyone else playing anywhere near as well.
Anthony Starr has always been so talented. He was awesome in Banshee and it's great that everyone's seeing how amazing he is.
Homelander is great, but the amount of wokeism is just too much to handle while not killing your liver with a huge amount of alchohol
I have taken to just feeling vindicated knowing the woke stuff doesn't actually work, and I know that Garth Ennis knew that when he wrote the source material. Makes it easy to be like "every single person in this show is doing woke stuff cynically, the writers must know that they are doing the same thing" and that gets me through the scenes.
@@JohnDoe-yk3ji Exactly how I view it. The woke stuff is portrayed with lots of irony, for me, and seems to be mocking the whole culture of false morality in corporate business.
Anyone who falls for the belief that a corporation has morals over just making money, is the same person who thinks The Boys is being woke.
Yeah they keep talking about The Boys being super woke, but I just don't see it. There is a yin and a yang. They display characters that have various traits, some are good some are bad. If they really think they're portraying the left leaning aspects of the show in a good light then they're not very bright. They're only seeing what they want to see. I agree with a lot of what these guys say, but sometimes they're seeing the big bad woke Boogeyman behind every corner and it's not always right.
Couldn't they have just had Kenobi protect Leia from the shadows? Working with child actors is a pain that limits everything possible.
I LOVE Basic!!!! One of my favorite Travolta movies
My theory is that Reva has some modifications like Fennec's cybernetic implants that way she managed to survive it all.I'm watching Kenobi like a comedy show :)
Where are our classic shows, that showed us who their characters were, through actions and interactions? They were fallible, yet relatable. I can rewatch a show like ER and relate in a completely new fashion with their highs and lows.
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Gotta watch better call Saul. It’s the prequel to breaking bad and it’s the best written show on tv.
@@ethanvanhorn2162 Love that show
And ER did it with a crazy amount of characters, really.
I heard somewhere (I think maybe from one of the people in this podcast, idk, could be wrong) that someone who plays a major role in creating The Boys Season 3 explicitly said that they were making a "commentary" on *_"tOxIc MaScUlInItY"_* lol...
I just wanted to say, *_It really shows, to a grotesquely obvious degree._*
And more so than anywhere else in the show, specifically when it comes to Huey and Starlight's relationship.
It's sooooo painfully obvious that the writers are pounding the Huey character into submission, with Starlight's sTuNnInG, sTrOnK wAmEn bRaVeNeSs, it's about as close to watching Huey get pegged, without actually watching Huey literally get pegged.
You can tell the writers have a real vicious hard-on for "defying gender stereotypes" lol.
Men want women, women want men...
I hate this implicit, unspoken cultural notion in Hollywoke, that there's some uber transcendent, galaxy brain IQ profundity in simply defying any and all possible traditional gender roles, in every way imaginable, with a frothing at the mouth desperation to catch them all, and defy as many as humanly possible...
*_Why though?_*
Stereotypes are true. I know that might trigger people who aren't even woke themselves, but they're true, about ALL people btw, they just don't describe the majority, and you shouldn't judge individuals based on stereotypes, sure...
But they're still true. ALL of them. It's nothing more than humans recognizing patterns, across our modern-day, huge populations. Patterns that aren't obligated to make the people they describe feel peak emotional validation are inevitably going to catch on. I think everybody really needs to just get over it.
I understand they _say_ that it's to undo some "historical oppression" or whatever but...
Do most women not want an assertive, confident man? Do most men not want a kind woman, who isn't desperately, constantly trying to emasculate you in some sly, subtle, underhanded way to "smash the patriarchy" or whatever? (not the same as women testing men, in the normal way they do and have psychologically evolved to do over tens of thousands of years btw)
The most baffling part of it all, *_is the utter pointlessness of it._* It does nothing to achieve any of the ends they think it does, and moreover, the one thing it does do consistently creates unnecessary issues in relationships. IRL, and in this goofy show lol.
This culture desperately wants women to manhandle the proverbial pants in the relationship, and strut around with all the bluster of...
What they likely view as being the cocksure, confidence, and assertiveness of "ToXiC mAsCuLiNiTy" lmao.
Our Clown World is one where *_vengeance, takes the most retarded, goofy-ass forms, that nobody thought possible until this woke nonsense took off about 10 years ago._*
One word that perfectly describes Wokeness in all its various forms, dressing itself up as "jUsTiCe" when it's SOOOOO goddamn obvious that it's just vengeance, with egregious levels of qUiRkY sNaRk, as if they're just so slick and slyly getting away with it, like smooth criminals in the night, while we're standing right next to them shining a 10 million candlepower spotlight right in their face like *_"Bruh, I see E X A C T L Y what you're doing"_* lmao...
So.
Fucking.
*_G O O F Y._*
Very well put and on point. Annie breaking Huey's balls for trying to literally save her life and earn some self respect for himself is so selfish and toxic
This show is a an example playing to the incel audience by pushing this idea that these unbelievably hot, powerful, ambitious, Alpha Female characters actually eschew strength and alphaness and "fall in love" with the beta simp, viewing as virtues their weakness, incompetence, lack of self esteem, lack of agency, and achievement only through overwhelming luck and circumstance. I think so much about this show is brilliant but the core relationship between the polar opposites that are Huey and Annie just keeps on grating on me
and I agree, it is crazy society is breaking down rules because of the outliers, decoupling sex and gender despite an overwhelming statistical correlation. Nobody is perfect, there's just some people born with genetic stuff wrong, genetic errors are the core of diversity and are essential for the survival of the species. Pretending that stuff isn't wrong in the individual through a culture of denial is not progress, it's wilful blindness. The key to accepting difference is accepting imperfections and improving what can be improved, not pretending we're all born perfect and anybody who does not partake in the Emperor's New Clothes approach is a buzzkilling bigoted ist and phobe
You're a moron.. The toxic masculinity part is about Soldier Boy. They tackle that through him.. Hughie's character arc is completely realistic.. If you're dating this super powered individual while you have no super powers would make you feel pretty fucking useless. So once he gets the temp v he gains a lot of confidence and gets addicted to the feeling of being powerful. And he also has a savior complex because of what happened to Robin. It makes complete sense.
I checked IMDB, the writers are also the producers on Obi-Wan. And the few other writing credits they have are on projects that they also produced. So the money people have decided that they don't need writers anymore, and that is apparent in how badly written the show is.
Interesting observation
That is fascinating
I’d hate to break it to Jeremy and Ashoka simps but Ashoka is a giant plot hole masquerading around as Wifu. That’s why it’s so awkward when she’s finally introduced to live action. A lot of the D+ shows suffer from a lot of the same problems the clone wars had that we excused because the clone wars was a kids show that was surprisingly mature while D+ shows are meant for adults but very juvenile.
I think people excused the continuity problems with Ahsoka when she was only in the Clone Wars and part of Rebels since she was a good character who was generally well-used (been a while since I've seen either). However, keeping her alive after that piles on further questions, such as "Where was she during the OT?"
She belongs to animation, in my opinion. Unfortunately, they don't care about animation shows in Lucasfilm and they don't trust people who aren't star wars fans would watch it so they had to force her way into Mando and give her her own show, that's what all that fan service was for.
She's a giant plot hole because they didnt let her get killed by Vader in Rebels. That was her perfect ending and they fucked it
@@simos6jipros154 Yeah, they definitely should have let her die there. Bringing her back after a send off like that is pointless.
@@astronautadejakku9699 To be fair, they did care enough to do TCW Season 7 and the Bad Batch (I don't know how good or bad those are, though). You're right though, the only reason she is showing up in live action is for fanservice and to try and get people to buy D+ subscriptions.