How I make Speargun Rubbers / Bands / Slings in 2024
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- čas přidán 26. 08. 2024
- Making your own speargun bands is an essential skill and it's pretty easy to do yourself. Learn some spearfishing basics in this video and why I do things the way I do. I know I've made a video like this in the past but with new divers getting into the scene every year it was time for a refresh.
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I think you made a video many years ago on bands. Good to see a refresher video. 🐟
Thanks Peter, yes indeed.
i still prefer the old one since it doesnt use the metal inserts. they are great but i rater not use hard metals in stuff that is under tension and will sooner or later break while loading it with ur bare hands. even if the chanse are slim that u will be hit by it the chanse is still there
@@Nickerian91this shouldnt be an issue under water…
@Nickerian91 agreed. Not as easy to find custom metal parts either
@@Simon-kq8xs what are u talking about? o.O u both load it in water and the tension is still there and rubber breaks by tension / sharp rocks and the rope inbetween may break due to sharp edge on the spear "hook"
all the components involved will break eventually the only question is how much its going to hurt and majority of cases it wont hurt at all but you wont be as lucky everytime
My first spearfishing book came from someone in the USA but his advice was invaluable. Relax, slow everything down and be one with your environment. The big ones are smart for many reasons 😊
Sigalsub rubber is touhg stuff. I use Cressi Pure (14mm Brown and 17mm Khaki) and I strech them to 360 and 320 respectively. Great video, as usual!
Been making my bands since seeing your last video. Also been using those cresii inserts for a while....so easy
what are those called? I can't seem to find them in the US
Love your how too vids Dan, I regularly recommend your old videos to new comers to the sport, thanks for the great content 🤙🏻
Love it, I appreciate watching the improvements/differences over the years from your last video. Great to see another one of your videos I've been missing your videos Dan!
Cheers Will, been super busy of late with work and personal life so CZcams has been on the back burner. I anticipate it to be a slower year on the platform for me.
@@DanielMann sounds good! Me and my son will appreciate the ones you are able to make. Thanks again from Indonesia 🇮🇩 (The diving is great here here, just have to compete with the incredible vocational fishermen who have been doing it a lot longer than I have XD)
Thank you for this, I'm about to send it for the first time this week. I'll save this for when my new bands start dying on me out.
Good advice to the newbies Dan. Making your own rubbers up is paramount to being an A grader. Unfortunately they don't all make it 😊
Bom trabalho obrigado .
Love it! Thanks Mann!
Thanks for sharing. Good to see you back.
Thank you very much, i love your informative videos. Short and simple ❤
great simple video thanks for sharing
A day late Daniel! I just finished tying some new bands yesterday before a trip to baja this week. Got the small ID since its all that was available in the color I wanted. NEVER AGAIN! 😂 how I didn't stab myself with the neddlenose ill never know!
I hate using the stuff!
These gear videos have been so super helpful, thank you!! Come to New England and shoot a striper!!
I always make inserts from dynema and never had a problem with them...
They do work but once they have been under tension they are very difficult to untie. I travel a lot so taking the bands off and on is important for me.
Thanks daniel mann this video helps a lot ...
Refresh :) Always good, thank you as always for this useful share of knowledge.
Simple quick very effective thank you
Great video Daniel!! Thanks for sharing, greetings from crete
Thanks Daniel...nice one....
Thanks Dman
excellent ! thanks Daniel
You’re most welcome.
thank you 😊
Great work compliments, ciao Daniel.
Nice. I appreciate your neatness and attention to detail. Why not opt for the constrictor knot over the clove hitch?
No need for the constrictor. It tends to scuff the bands and cut into them. Whereas the clove hitch can roll the knot tight and less damage to the band. I’ve never had a clove hitch pull on me but I’ve seen plenty of constrictor knots fail that weren’t tied tight enough.
perfect! thank you!
nice tip Dan🤙
if you could do a short video, with calculations, for inverted rollers that would be awesome! :) i just built my own wooden inverted roller, and it took me weeks to experimentally get the rubber lengths just right, to avoid rubber snapping or bridles pulling out.
great work though! your rubber band videos are what I play every time when I have to re-tie my bands after not doing it in a while and forgetting the needed knots.
thank you Daniel! love your videos! :)
Thanks Ivan, I haven’t really done my own for inverted rollers before. I just keep the same lengths as the manufacturers.
@@DanielMann makes sense. I'll keep figuring things out empirically. :)
Bravo dani 👏
Merci Fares!
Cheers!
So simple, so helpful.
Thank you Daniel.
Hey, Daniel, I really love your content and your video. Do you have any videos on how to properly equalize the air for beginners at least? I'm pretty new to spearfishing and I have trouble doing it.. Thanks ❤
That knife is sharp! lekke
Arf! I had just finished making bands with your previous video! This one is great though! It raises the question about the type of sigalsub bands you are using. In the previous video for your short gun, you used the purple Extreme bands with the small hole, which have "very high contraction speed" and "high exit speed."
However, you did not mention the diameter back then for your short gun. Do you remember what it was?
For my TeakSea Beam 85cm, I've made them using 14.5mm bands with 280% elongation. They are easy to load, precise, very quiet, and seem powerful at short distances (which is what I usually encounter while diving in South Brittany, France), but they lack power, speed, and range for longer shots on bigger fish. I've missed a few because of that and decided not to try again to avoid harming a fish I could not bring back.
Now, in this video, you say you "hate" the purple Extreme bands and seem to be using the "Classic Reactive Brown" with "low load loss" for a "fluid and powerful shot." You mention 17.5mm.
To get more power, distance, and smoothness, I'd like to upgrade to the "Classic Reactive Brown." What diameter would you suggest for my 85cm gun? I'm not sure if I should go with 16mm or 17.5mm. I'm also hesitating between the Classic Reactive Brown and the Reactive Evo bands. The small hole doesn't scare me. If you have had the opportunity to try them both, I'm curious about your feedback :)
Thanks again for your great videos!
Cheers from France. :)
For an 85cm I would use a single 17.5mm band with a 6.5mm shaft. This is a perfect setup with plenty of power and accuracy.
I won’t use the evo bands, not much benefit and more negatives for me. I use the sigalsub purple extreme bands in 19mm all those years ago. Didn’t like it so much. I have it on my inverted roller but that’s about it.
@@DanielMann Thanks so much! I'll go with the 17.5mm then and I'll report my experience ;)
@@DanielMann Quick update: after much testing, I ended up with the following setup:
Single Sigal Classic 16mm with 54cm length and 5.5cm bridle, which gives me a 308% elongation.
I also tested the 17.5mm band but there was more recoil and noise and the precision was not as good IMHO. Also, I have a 6mm shaft, which might have a big impact as well.
With the very limited visibility in South Brittany/Morbihan (around 2m usually, and seldom more than 3/4m), I feel I have the perfect mix of precision, low recoil, power, ease of loading and stealthiness.
Even 4kg sea basses don't stand a chance :)
what is the name of those cressi inserts? I can't find them for some reason
www.tradeinn.com/diveinn/en/cressi-dyneema-conical-wishbone/553324/p
Wow, so simple yet so daunting 😅 I'll definitely be having a go at that.. What is the cost of that exact DIY band ? Thanks for the tutorial
Hi I checked but cant find these bridal. Do you have a link to source them
can you provide a link for the cressi bridles?
Try bleutec bands....😉
شكرا😊😊😊😊
straight to the point and helpful🤿👍
Glad you liked it.
Hello Daniel, I like the looks of the bridle ends you recommend. Does cressi have a part number for these? So far I have only been able to locate the bead type. Thanks
Not sure of the part number but I got mine from scubastore.com
How i wish to have that Speargun ❤️
Meandros b32 in 90cm. Very affordable and works well for me.
Interesting on how many variations around the planet there are on achieving the same end product. Love it. Dive safe, have fun! 👍😁🤿🍻
Many ways to skin a cat!
Thanks Dan, very useful video. What is the length ratio with a double rubber speargun?
Great stuff! Where to get the Cressi Inserts? I'm in UK. Cheers
I got them from scubastore.com
Nice instructional video. For the tapering of the bands, a nail inserted into the hole before using the grinding stone works well to keep the band in control and have a uniform taper. Do you wax or lubricate the line before applying the constrictor knot or that rolling stops the band getting cut?
I have an old screwdriver inserted into the bands to help with control. A nail would work just as well. I don’t use any lubrication or wax on the line, rolling a clove hitch instead of a constrictor knot help a lot.
Thank you - that was very helpful.
What are the main reasons to do your own rubber instead of buying a prefabricated one you can turn/twist in (if the gun has the option)? Cost or performance, or both?
Cost, being able to choose band material, customisation and easy to fix in a boat or water.
Where the devil can a guy find them wishbones by Cressi? Checked their website and other online stores. No dice for now. Ya make it look easy sir.
I got mine from scuba store.
🤗
Привет, Daniel. Спасибо за видео, ты многому научил. Напиши, пожалуйста, название своего 80см carbon speargun.?
Where did you bought your Cressi bridle? Can seem to find them online. Thank you!
Thank you for rhe refresher vid! Really helps!
I got them from scubastore.com 👌
@@DanielMann thank you so much!
Can you put a link to these inserts. I couldn’t find them anywhere online
www.tradeinn.com/diveinn/en/cressi-dyneema-conical-wishbone/553324/p
so a 1 beer job nice
I beer per band I work on 🤣
Old dog learning new tricks. Question: here in NZ there is a move to thinner bands-I have replaced my 90, 120 and 130 RA guns with 14 mm rubbers. Single on my 90 and doubles on the rest. Found my 90 punches well and accuracy has improved markedly. Perhaps less recoil. I will try your measuring and give it a go. PS I’m in the South Island so anything bigger than a 90 is difficult to manoeuvre
A single 14mm band is a great option when you need accuracy. Problems can arise when you want to shoot bigger fish but like you say, South Island is no problem. I actually used one of Jackson Shields’ guns when I was in NZ two years ago. Single 14 or 16 it was on a 110. Deadly accurate and shot a 6.75kg snapper with it no problems.
@@DanielMann The 130 was deadly with pelagics in Fiji last year, fitted with double 14s, breakaway setup and sliptip. Same with the 120 on the reefs
Two 14’s is a great balance, easy to load, plenty of power and the thinner bands sit flatter against the barrel which makes tracking better.
Thanks, Daniel. Can you provide a link to the Cressi inserts? We do spearfishing in the Caribbean and have to order gear online, with no local suppliers.
I got them from scubastore.com
thank you brother, helpful. Would you suggest me to buy a 10 meter whole rubber at once. I am worried that they will get old and snap out of nowhere. Thank you for answering
Unless you stretch the rubber it shouldn’t deteriorate. I’ve had some rubber in a seal bag stored for years no problems.
I´ve got a Pathos Laser Open Pro 90cm and I wrote a bit back and forth with the dealer from whom I bought it and he recommended 2x 54 cm rubbers. According to your calculation, however, I would have to use 66 cm rubbers. I have to say that it is not easy to load. 😕
You have to remember two bands is a lot of power. Try pulling both back at once to load and you’ll soon realise how much power it is! I prefer two bands to be not so tight and easy to load. I’ll take accuracy over power any day of the week.
@@DanielMann I searched the internet for references to find the right length, but after finding nothing, I asked the dealer. I'm ordering 2 longer ones now, hopefully they'll arrive before I go on holiday on 15/06/2024. Perfect timing for the video though, thanks so much 😄
Thanks Daniel. How do you decide what thickness of rubber to use?
Single band spearguns I will go for a 17.5mm or 18mm band. Two bands I use 14 or 16mm depending on the thickness of the shaft. A bit of trial and error.
@@DanielMann Thanks!
I just made my inverted with 14.5mm microbore - I can’t pull 16mm rubbers. I can pull the 14.5mm. Simple as that. It isn’t as easy to make, but I figured it out and got used to it. Having said that, I might be able to pull 16mm with 2.7 (270%) stretch. I thought lowest people go is 300% unless 19mm bands - for 16mm, Sigalsub recommends 310-350%. There’s no way I can pull that.
Test out amber primeline rubbers(micro) thay are amazing for inverted 😁
@@Pedde I just dont know how 270% is enough. Maybe I've gotten used to Euro style guns??
@@dirty_diver you can start with a shorter stretch then adjust the dynema later if u feel like u dont have enough power
@@Pedde percentage is what Im talking about. I have not heard of anyone else using 270
@@Pedde you can start with 300 - probably that's also not enough. But you can adjust with dyneema if you want to
Hey Dan! Are the black (in th inside) ones reactive?
No idea what reactive and progressive actually means in a quantifiable metric. I like the brown bands the most.
These bands look resistant, how flexible are they?
I don't want to use them for speargun, but to exercise. They look of better quality than other resistance bands to workout and I have seen them cheaper on the internet.
I hope someone solves my question.
They take a lot to load. I think a 17.5mm band like this might be 40-60kg to stretch to 3x. Thinner bands would be better maybe like 14mm.
Thank you so much, I've always just gone from the shop recommendation.
Would you replicate the math for 2+ bands?
I generally start around 2.8 or 2.9 for twin hands. 2 x 16mm is a lot of power. For twin 14’s you could stick with 2.7.
😂 why would you not just simplify your math? 100/1.35=????
Because I like to know the stretch factor by keeping it 2.7, 2.8, 3.0 etc.
Where do you get the bridle set? Haven’t seen that type thanks
They are Cressi, got them from scubastore.
@@DanielMann thanks I’ll ask around couldn’t find them no where online thanks.
@eduardoperez7797 www.tradeinn.com/diveinn/en/cressi-dyneema-conical-wishbone/553324/p
I remember you made a video on making homemade bridle inserts, have you found any issues with those? Or just using cressi ones for the higher quality?
The issue I had was they twisted up after a few years use. These Cressi ones are a bit more robust and easy for the average diver to access.
Hey Daniel, i am going to spearfish in Norway in a few months and planning to build a speargun for that. Is the speargun length shown in the video a good choice or would you prefer a other length?
For Norway I’d use a 100-110 with two bands. Fish are mostly going to be 4-10kg and sometimes bigger. Often clean water too.
Some spearos swear by the small ID bands because they claim that water does not enter into the cavity as opposed to regular ID bands, therefor having a superior shot.
I’ve not had any problems blasting fish for the last 20 years with normal sized band holes. About 100 other factors I’d adjust before that to improve my catch rates 👌
Hey Daniel i have sigal nemesis 92 speargun and im confused to choose right rubber band between 2 x 14 mm c4 or 2 x 14mm sigal sub or 1x 17.5 cetma magnum what you suggest. Thank you 👍
For my 90 I use a single sigalsub 17.5mm band with a 6.5mm shaft. Works really well. Depends on the type of fishing you do and if you need two bands or struggle to load a single thicker one.
@@DanielMann thanks Daniel I really appreciate your advice ☺️ 🙏 God bless ya 💝 I've tried 17.5 cetma magnum rubber because we don't have all kinds of sigalsub rubber in our country Algeria 🇩🇿 & it's working good like u said thanks again
No wishbone calculation? You actually have 2.63 not 2.7
By the time you take away the small part of band beyond the knot that doesn’t stretch and add my short bridle it’s basically the same. It’s a negligible difference but I think you’re missing the main principle.
The cressi you put in side rubber
Which name mean cressi . I am from turkey i want to buy amozon or tradein can you say that name wich
I got them from tradeinn. £5 a set.
@@DanielMann Cressi Dyneema Conical Wishbone
Is it true name yes
I saw in tradein there is so many
not to be a math snob, but X * 2 / 2.7 is the same thing as X * 0.74...no need to multiply by 2 then divide by 2.7...just multiple the length by 0.74 🙂
Of course but the stretch factor is easier to remember when people associate 300% stretch etc, 270% etc. Easier to keep track of stretch factor for each speargun and shaft setup once you get it dialled in.
Don't know much about spear gun rubbers but the knot used at the end looks like a sheet bend.
Sure is!
@DanielMann highly enjoy ya content mate. If ya wanna chase a bluefin in Tas let me know
So, for a 90 cm speargun, your rubber length is 74 cm? I guess that's 250% elongation. Isn't it better to be around 300%? I have 65 cm rubber on a 100 cm Cressi gun like that.
The length of the gun isn’t relevant. It’s the distance the band stretches. You have have guns with reverse mechanisms, conventional mechanisms, shafts with notches placed way down the shaft, muzzles that are longer or shorter etc. Hence why I measure the length of it stretching. No problems shooting fish super accurately with this setup on my 90z
Good to know, microbore is a PITA and the maths doesn't add up.
I avoid it at all costs.