I Go for Mythic with Roaming Throne and Isshin! | Much Abrew

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  • čas přidán 23. 11. 2023
  • This week for Much Abrew we got for mythic on Magic Arena in Lost Caverns of Ixalan with a deck that can make an absurd amount of attack triggers thanks to Roaming Throne and Isshin! Can it work? Let's find out!
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Komentáře • 163

  • @elitestar963
    @elitestar963 Před 8 měsíci +313

    “Intet” it’s definitely on purpose to hurt us

    • @jackvogel701
      @jackvogel701 Před 8 měsíci +65

      I love Seth but I’m so close to clicking off the video exclusively for this reason

    • @TheSmartCinema
      @TheSmartCinema Před 8 měsíci +44

      Would it be a SaffronOlive video without the misspelling and the aggressive card sorting

    • @TheSeattle6
      @TheSeattle6 Před 8 měsíci +23

      The weird part is that Intet is a card, just a completely different one (a Temur dragon from the same cycle as Teneb, the Harvester). Though I don’t mind the mixups at all; it’s just perplexing

    • @poutinemcflurry3544
      @poutinemcflurry3544 Před 8 měsíci +63

      One could say he’s pronouncing it that way with malicious intet

    • @dorgfanger
      @dorgfanger Před 8 měsíci +22

      @@jackvogel701I thought you were being hyperbolic, but my god barely 3 min into the first GAME I’m already bothered lol

  • @NeonV01D
    @NeonV01D Před 8 měsíci +100

    9:10 You probably would’ve had a chance if you attacked with everything and gave Adeline trample with Inti’s ability. If you did, they’d be forced to chump block with Lunarch Veteran and Inspiring Overseer, or block Adeline with Voice of the Blessed. Then they’d be unable to kill you on the way back unless they already had a lifegain card in hand.

    • @padeiroptf
      @padeiroptf Před 8 měsíci +10

      true, dunno why seth sometimes is oblivious to those tricks

    • @baltosstrupelos302
      @baltosstrupelos302 Před 8 měsíci +14

      Probably because, like the rest of us, he's human?@@padeiroptf

  • @elambruce7491
    @elambruce7491 Před 8 měsíci +46

    I died to that roaming throne monk deck you mentioned. It’s pretty good

  • @wiiblewobble
    @wiiblewobble Před 8 měsíci +15

    The throne/ward synergy is something I never realized! Really cool and my kinda tech.

  • @CenJohan
    @CenJohan Před 8 měsíci +19

    The second Seth (better known as Saffron “CZcams engagement algorithm” Olive) started talking about using the golem tokens from Anim Pakal to trigger her ability, I was hoping for a complete punt moment where he spends the next minute trying to figure out why she didn’t trigger.

  • @bimbobomb
    @bimbobomb Před 8 měsíci +34

    I’ve been loving Roaming Throne with Phyrexians. So many good trigger creatures! What’s better than 1 Sheoldred trigger per card draw? 5 triggers 😂😂

    • @omnitricks815
      @omnitricks815 Před 8 měsíci +1

      I tried it in bo1 as soon as the new set dropped. Don't sleep on the smaller phyrexians either. Mana fixing for phyrexians in standard is now too easy.

    • @MTGGoldfish
      @MTGGoldfish  Před 8 měsíci +15

      There's so many possibilities with Roaming Throne, I expect we'll be seeing a lot of it in coming months.

    • @bimbobomb
      @bimbobomb Před 8 měsíci

      @@omnitricks815 right! Seedcore is great!

  • @Buchaus
    @Buchaus Před 8 měsíci +9

    "I wish Isshin wasn't legendary" funnily enough, if Isshin wasn't legendary, you wouldn't have been able to cast it that turn because of your Plaza of Heroes

  • @lukecraig4984
    @lukecraig4984 Před 8 měsíci +7

    Watching this made me so happy to see the diversity of standard decks now, the decks you went up against were almost all interesting.

  • @wudgethenumbers
    @wudgethenumbers Před 8 měsíci +26

    Graveyard Trespasser is a human with an attack trigger. Seems like you should have a few in the board for graveyard hate. Training is also an attack trigger, which makes me think Hopeful Initiate might be better than Recruitment Officer.

    • @collinbeal
      @collinbeal Před 8 měsíci +6

      Hopeful Initiate would've been pretty good vs. that last matchup.

    • @brushwagg7735
      @brushwagg7735 Před 8 měsíci +2

      Recruitment officer is just insanely better as a top deck, though.

    • @wudgethenumbers
      @wudgethenumbers Před 8 měsíci

      @@brushwagg7735 I haven't given the deck a try yet, but I went with a 3/3 split of initiates and officers with the veterans in the board with my build.

  • @collinbeal
    @collinbeal Před 8 měsíci +4

    I'm really happy that Annex Sentry was the final boss of Diamond. I love that card a lot specifically because the exile and big butt are good at stalling aggro. I run a full playset of them in my mono white control Mite deck. I use Indoctrination Attendant with Annex Sentry and Ossification to deal with whatever the biggest threat is until I can reach 7 mana and win with White Sun's Twilight.

  • @OguhAcraba
    @OguhAcraba Před 8 měsíci +3

    Seth getting down with the sickness at 27:17 🤩

  • @robertngo1629
    @robertngo1629 Před 8 měsíci +15

    How does he pronounce Aclazotz correctly but not a four letter name???

    • @johnnyandthepnuemoni
      @johnnyandthepnuemoni Před 8 měsíci +3

      Because it gets engagement in the comments section. The mispronunciation is intentional at this point. More engagement= YT algorithm pushing the video in recommendations.

    • @Jlizard27
      @Jlizard27 Před 8 měsíci

      ​@@johnnyandthepnuemonithe paranoid schizophrenia is kicking in

  • @AllTop507
    @AllTop507 Před 3 měsíci +1

    12:30 It's the same with wedding announcement and virtue of persistence. Give all your creatures +1/+1, then make your 1/1 token.😂

  • @milohummon8753
    @milohummon8753 Před 8 měsíci +6

    Amelia bedilia 😂😂

    • @justincantczak
      @justincantczak Před 8 měsíci

      Yeah, I'm glad I'm not the only one who calls her that!

  • @sertaki
    @sertaki Před 8 měsíci +1

    I have an Isshin brawl deck, and it got some crazy new tools with LCI for sure.

  • @robboomsma6739
    @robboomsma6739 Před 8 měsíci

    I have been really enjoying these lately. Its fun to see a format i dont really play or have the opportunity to

  • @JonahMaeroff-ih2qm
    @JonahMaeroff-ih2qm Před 8 měsíci +4

    This is such a fun deck!!!!! The way that guy knew he couldn't was just sad!

  • @MitchPiotrowski
    @MitchPiotrowski Před 8 měsíci +1

    That one opponent swings in with a Mirrex Mite, Might as well... enjoyed that pun even if it wasn't intended XD.

  • @justindanglenuts5662
    @justindanglenuts5662 Před 8 měsíci +3

    enjoying the extended content 1h videos Seth has been putting up lately

  • @OlieBricks
    @OlieBricks Před 8 měsíci +1

    Amelia Bedelia is also what I call that card. Loving that deep cut, Seth.

  • @thesamuraiman
    @thesamuraiman Před 8 měsíci +2

    I need to play more Isshin decks. This is gonna be sick, thanks for the reminder.

  • @BrenSheenan
    @BrenSheenan Před 8 měsíci +4

    "This has been the hardest pronunciation set"
    They published a guide, Seth.

  • @CL32582
    @CL32582 Před 8 měsíci +1

    I can't wait to try out "New Deck (16)"!

  • @cloaking111
    @cloaking111 Před 8 měsíci +1

    Hm... OteCoyote
    Our opponent must be a fan of that 5 color spirit legend

  • @Samantho87
    @Samantho87 Před 8 měsíci +2

    Crafted this, proceeded to play 3 Atraxa ramp in a row that play black virtue and depopulate main deck. Closed the laptop

  • @tinkerermelon6599
    @tinkerermelon6599 Před 8 měsíci +2

    Was really looking forward to Seth's take on the new panharmonicon~

  • @Pyrotechnist-uk9zy
    @Pyrotechnist-uk9zy Před 8 měsíci +3

    i manged to assemble anim pakal + roaming throne on the prerelase event, felt amazing

  • @jaydavidrn82
    @jaydavidrn82 Před 5 měsíci

    I seriously agree with you roaming throne is soooo good why is it not getting played in standard? way underrated! I feel my feelings are so validated by you geeking out over it

  • @joshwest8882
    @joshwest8882 Před 7 měsíci

    Anim is my favorite card from ix... and now I have a new setup to try! Thank you

  • @tylerhoppert5077
    @tylerhoppert5077 Před 8 měsíci +1

    12:58 Your opponent should have Elspeth's Smite before Anim Pakal had counters put on it. I am guessing they had another option before the Get Lost showed up.

  • @ther3aper561
    @ther3aper561 Před 8 měsíci +1

    Take a shot every time Seth says Inti's name wrong lol

  • @TheMegaMagikarp
    @TheMegaMagikarp Před 8 měsíci +1

    Seth could probably pull off a death metal guttural sound in the vein of Disturbed - the man is huge and he looks like a metal vocalist lol

  • @TheLordSorin
    @TheLordSorin Před 8 měsíci +3

    I can't but to wonder what a Jodah list would look like with cavern making it easier.

  • @thepoorgamer3208
    @thepoorgamer3208 Před 8 měsíci +1

    In the final set there was a punt on the sideboarding I feel, the get losts were more easily fueling there Dusk Roses so just taking them out and putting in the elsbeth smites would have saved some heartache, love the deck and brewed up a version of it in Naya use ing Yotian Disenant and Teething Wormlet Yorian on 2 Pakal turn 3 throne turn 4, also with Ozalith cause I love that card

  • @goodguyshuckle9270
    @goodguyshuckle9270 Před 8 měsíci +5

    While I know it isn’t a human, the vampire with battlecry would be great in this deck

    • @MTGGoldfish
      @MTGGoldfish  Před 8 měsíci +6

      I'm planning to build a Roaming Throne Vampire deck!

  • @notimportant768
    @notimportant768 Před 8 měsíci +3

    I personally use mishra in my more aggressive anvil deck.
    Ive been thinking of making a mardu pia anvil deck since you run desk and synth already but I havent figured out cuts.

  • @Germynator31
    @Germynator31 Před 8 měsíci +1

    Playing Isshin as my Commander. I'd been loving him. So aggressive card with build-in value.

  • @MidgarMerc
    @MidgarMerc Před 8 měsíci +2

    19:40 Seth how is your opponent going to kill your Throne when all their colored mana deals damage to them?

  • @vermora356
    @vermora356 Před 8 měsíci

    Triggers!! Give me more triggers! Sweet deck.

  • @swampybwoy
    @swampybwoy Před 8 měsíci

    Things I learned in this video: Atla Pakani makes golem tokens

  • @Shmackle123
    @Shmackle123 Před 8 měsíci +1

    It does help that Isshin lowkey looks like Seth cosplaying. lolol

  • @teddiesable
    @teddiesable Před 8 měsíci

    Roaming throne is definitely a card that's going into my Otharri commander deck. So many Rebels!!

  • @ebonezra8073
    @ebonezra8073 Před 8 měsíci +1

    @SaffronOlive I want to see this as a commander deck as soon as it fits the theme/restriction.

  • @brahms0624
    @brahms0624 Před 8 měsíci

    This set may not add too much to standard, but I've been playing the mono black budget bloodletter deck, and I'm absolutely loving it.

  • @kemperfranklin1935
    @kemperfranklin1935 Před 8 měsíci

    Love you seth! Been trying to brew a mardu vampires deck in standard and I can’t get it right. Please make a video !

  • @I43573
    @I43573 Před 8 měsíci

    If the throne be roamin' then we be gnomein' ❤

  • @miguelfreitas5343
    @miguelfreitas5343 Před 8 měsíci

    27:17 Get up, come on get down with the sickness! 🎵🤘

  • @eliisaac
    @eliisaac Před 8 měsíci

    You need to against the odds the one shot combo Carnosaur deck, its stupidly fun when it goes off!

  • @MrKhorn
    @MrKhorn Před 5 měsíci

    I feel like Warleader's Call is a very good addition to this deck O_O

  • @yuiholoka5230
    @yuiholoka5230 Před 8 měsíci

    I play Mishra meld in Historic Brawl. It's a very either win quick, or lose quickly deck.

  • @brunolecompte3159
    @brunolecompte3159 Před 8 měsíci

    what about snowballing on Savior of Ollenbock
    two triggered ability whose second trigger after resolution of the first, seems fair?

  • @tthakshmm3349
    @tthakshmm3349 Před 8 měsíci

    9:55 something like playing a shigeki the turn before winning then dieing to a ram through?

  • @brushwagg7735
    @brushwagg7735 Před 8 měsíci

    I can’t believe we’ve gotten to the point that Seth was surprised that Isshin held the board against tempo. We’re surprised when a 3/4 for 3 MV is good enough on defense.
    Either way I got vicarious value enjoyment. that was a great run.

  • @bminus7377
    @bminus7377 Před 8 měsíci

    Training is an attack trigger. I did this with hopeful initiate and savior of ollenbock.

  • @thorongunhammermwg
    @thorongunhammermwg Před 8 měsíci

    So I played draft on opening weekend and had inti and anim in my pulls i went 4-0 and that made me start brewing with humans and i went 5 color but then i remembered isshin is standard so i brewed something similar to this my list plays initiate, tress passer. And warden of the inner sky but throne is really good so i am tweaking my original list to fit 4 thrones

  • @jaydavidrn82
    @jaydavidrn82 Před 5 měsíci

    I wonder if graveyard trespasser would be good in this??

  • @1997Awesomedude
    @1997Awesomedude Před 8 měsíci

    Roaming Throne is deceptively hard to kill in a format where the two premier kill spells are Go for the Throat and Cut Down

  • @keganokillion6852
    @keganokillion6852 Před 8 měsíci

    Its modern doubling season for Gruffs

  • @CptManboobs
    @CptManboobs Před 8 měsíci +1

    Call the deck "Isshen's Throne" for brevity

  • @-homerow-
    @-homerow- Před 8 měsíci

    I now want to see Rite of Replication kicked targeting Roaming Throne with Ojer out

  • @twi1ightknight
    @twi1ightknight Před 8 měsíci

    intet triggers one at a time, so why not discard game one to hand out trample and pluses?

  • @blackiscolor7732
    @blackiscolor7732 Před 8 měsíci

    roaming throne goes HARD with shamans

  • @asitisrequiredasitisrequir3411

    roaming throne is very much a fun card

  • @DemonNo667
    @DemonNo667 Před 8 měsíci

    "Aynem Packel" has me 😵‍💫🤢😵

  • @austinmitchell2053
    @austinmitchell2053 Před 8 měsíci

    I’ve definitely clutched defeat from the jaws of victory by doing something incredibly stupid a few times.

  • @mikemoyer8162
    @mikemoyer8162 Před 8 měsíci

    I'm not a Timmy. But the Timmy in me is screaming "make a Phyrexian Wandering throne deck!"

  • @OnePointSafety
    @OnePointSafety Před 8 měsíci +1

    @56:10 probably should have used destroy evil on their enchantment

  • @tranquiltotoro
    @tranquiltotoro Před 8 měsíci

    Do they make the deck graphic themselves or can you do it on MtgGoldfish?

    • @MTGGoldfish
      @MTGGoldfish  Před 8 měsíci +1

      The version for the video is adapted a bit to work on CZcams, but it's similar to the "visual view" on the site that anyone can use.

  • @Erictraiven
    @Erictraiven Před 8 měsíci

    Those double triggers ability works better with attacking trigger abilities and not so much with etb

  • @virtueofabsolution7641
    @virtueofabsolution7641 Před 8 měsíci +1

    28:50 opponent playing Cascadosaur with 1 drops 🤔🤔🤔

  • @jerredhamann5646
    @jerredhamann5646 Před 6 měsíci

    If ur goiing for some crazy white based combo deck is felidar guardian legal in arena

  • @boobox2000
    @boobox2000 Před 8 měsíci

    56:10 Whiff on the play here. You should have cast destroy evil on the Zoetic Glyph. I know you wanted to get your creature back, but it was going to kill you.

  • @RyuPlaneswalker
    @RyuPlaneswalker Před 8 měsíci

    Playing Mishra without the Dragon Engine is a Crime against the Magic Gods.

  • @rickroller420
    @rickroller420 Před 8 měsíci

    Game 1 could’ve been won if you had swung out. They’d be forced to block Adeline Intet and Recruitment officer and lose all their creatures in combat. If they don’t trade voice for Adeline they would have to lose both of their lifegainers and no way to pump voice unless they’ve got something in hand.
    Either way they already have lethal with fliers at next turn so you lose anyways if you don’t go for the kill.

  • @RafaelAAMerlo
    @RafaelAAMerlo Před 8 měsíci

    Standard is diverse again, and if any Boros + colors deck is viable I'm happy 😄

  • @LordZurkov
    @LordZurkov Před 7 měsíci

    In the Surge Engine game you commented that Melding is risky, but I disagree. None of the BRO melds let your opponent 2-for-1 you - Mightstone & Weakstone gets you card advantage on ETB and offsets the meld cost; Dragon Engine can be unearthed to meld for incidental value after trading or looting (potentially drawing you a fresh hand as well); Argoth is immediately replaced by at least 4 lands on a successful meld.
    Therefore, the only real loss if they remove the melded pair (or the mythic before the meld occurs) is that you're down that one creature. "Dies to removal" as an argument only goes so far, as demonstrated by the ubiquity of Sheoldred. The upside of an unanswered meld is that you win effective immediately, and the downside of failing to meld is having to run build-arounds that are still individually good cards.

  • @jaydavidrn82
    @jaydavidrn82 Před 5 měsíci

    I am above #50 currently with human tribal/throne in standard

  • @WikiED
    @WikiED Před 8 měsíci

    Mishra very expensive to meld + a lot of setup enemy sees and can get ready for.
    Urza pretty bad planeswalker for the work needed to meld (also randomly dies to She's edict)
    Titania requires massive deck building commitment and still dies to doomblade so it's an all in strategy.
    Melds don't work simply cuz payoffs are quite bad. Instead of melding it's better to run 2-3 card combos which is kind of like meld but you have an instant win-the-game state and not some value piece that dies to common removal.

  • @dood5426
    @dood5426 Před 8 měsíci

    27:16 same bro same

  • @Crusina
    @Crusina Před 8 měsíci

    I once one shot someone with syctheclaw raptor because of roaming throne 😂

  • @alexandrelima2766
    @alexandrelima2766 Před 8 měsíci +1

    I wanna see more modern

  • @jrjamesson
    @jrjamesson Před 8 měsíci +3

    "Intet... Inti? I think it's Inti" - sometimes reading the card (name) explains the card (name)

  • @Zakading
    @Zakading Před 8 měsíci

    Seth reading card names is like that fish=ghoti joke. Reading Inti as Intent is a wild one even for him lol

  • @AutkastKain
    @AutkastKain Před 8 měsíci

    I love NEW DECK 16

  • @rhettk6263
    @rhettk6263 Před 8 měsíci +3

    I mean you coulda added at least 1 dragon engine to get the chance of melding mishra

    • @TheREALTheRealAdam
      @TheREALTheRealAdam Před 8 měsíci

      I won't shoot you down by pointing out how win-more that would be, but instead the fact that Melded Mishra isn't even human to get double Throne triggers means it's not win-more enough to justify the memes.

  • @jaydavidrn82
    @jaydavidrn82 Před 5 měsíci

    to answer your comment I was able to get mythic with merfolk but not get above 92%

  • @jacobbrj
    @jacobbrj Před 8 měsíci

    Roaming throne with voice of the blessed...

  • @ThatzCrayZ
    @ThatzCrayZ Před 8 měsíci

    When dinos got support but so did everything else #Tokensupport#RoamingThrone

  • @user-le3tk9ww6f
    @user-le3tk9ww6f Před 8 měsíci

    This would work great with Allies

  • @ImJustHereToWatch14
    @ImJustHereToWatch14 Před 8 měsíci

    Like all aggro decks, this seems to really benefit from being on the play, but I have to say, this thing gets out of hand fast and that may be enough for it to be a real deck

  • @thomasdehetre300
    @thomasdehetre300 Před 8 měsíci +1

    Seth imma cut you a little slack with pronouncing names from this set. But calling a carnosaur a ceradon in your last video hurt my soul. Especially when you said it right several times haha 😂

  • @ammarmubeen6524
    @ammarmubeen6524 Před 8 měsíci

    Nobody tell Seth about the pronunciations guide

  • @cuddlequeen3225
    @cuddlequeen3225 Před 8 měsíci +1

    Does roaming throne look like a Guardian to anyone else

  • @Crusina
    @Crusina Před 8 měsíci

    I'd have given adeline trample but still no guarantee

    • @Crusina
      @Crusina Před 8 měsíci

      Yeah I think attacking with everything and giving trample was a win

  • @itzkillswitch9888
    @itzkillswitch9888 Před 7 měsíci

    I don't see an e in that cards name? Anim pakal

  • @Atmapalazzo
    @Atmapalazzo Před 8 měsíci

    Mishra doesn't see play because Sheoldred

  • @brahms0624
    @brahms0624 Před 8 měsíci

    I do think that people are hung up on the meld idea. Maybe we just assume when one piece comes in to play, it will be destroyed right away. I'm not sure I could have told you what Mishra even did off the top of my head.

  • @deutscher1a
    @deutscher1a Před 8 měsíci

    Since the deck won 6 in a row on plat or higher... Roaming isshin meme or dream?

  • @kozaklee9838
    @kozaklee9838 Před 8 měsíci

    With running so many legendary creatures, you should probably run some mirror boxes, especially since the token generation.

  • @christopherjohnson7392
    @christopherjohnson7392 Před 8 měsíci

    I’m not sure if this question was asked here before, but if anybody has an answer, please reply. If you use pan harmonic on which triggers an EBT effect and you play Roman throne where it gets to choose to creature types if you have a creature, that is both types does it trigger just the one time because the creature has any of those types or does it trigger because it checks for a creature type and sees that that type is the correct type to produce a trigger for it once or does it see the hay this creature type triggered it just happens to be from the same source. Just trying to figure out if there’s a way to double the ETB trigger if you could give Roman throne more than one creature type to check for any creature being more than one of those types. I.e. human warrior triggering twice versus a changeling being any of the specified types, but only triggering ones. I tried explaining this to different ways for the request.

    • @NMS127
      @NMS127 Před 8 měsíci +1

      Roaming Throne's second ability says, "As Roaming Throne enters the battlefield, choose a creature type." This is a replacement effect, not a triggered ability, so Panharmonicon won't let you choose two types. If you did somehow manage to choose two types, it would work for creatures of either type, but still only once for creatures of both types.