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WPC 2019 - Plenary session 2: Sustaining globalization - the Chinese position
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- čas přidán 22. 10. 2019
- Moderator: Ronnie C. Chan, Chairman of Hang Lung Properties
Speakers:
- Eric Li, Founder and Managing Partner of Chengwei Capital
- Leung Chun-ying, Vice Chairman of the Chinese People’s Political Consultative Conference, former Chief Executive of Hong Kong Special Administrative Region, People’s Republic of China
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Eric Li should be drafted into the. Chinese foreign ministry... he is very competent in debates with western media and intellectuals... he can help in a big way to assist the west understand China better. He will be a soft power asset to the Chinese foreign affairs ministry.
He is only a small part of the Chinese elite, and more Chinese elites are in the Chinese government. Especially the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and the Ministry of Foreign Trade.
This is also the secret of why China can maintain its rise.
@@user-pr9vi4ze4j I think it is called Being Properly & Modestly unlike in the West especially in 🇺🇸 which believe in "Flaunt it if U have it"..Looking @ the past ceo of 🇺🇸, pretty sad is it not for pictures of his 3rd wife showing bare back & exposed crack as a "🏆"..🙄😑..
Totally agree.
4 years later the ideas coming from the Chinese guys make more and more sense.
Amazing person,talk with logics, well respected person, keep talking Eric.the world need you to inform the truths,very intelligent person Eric.
Two points: globalisim is died. Democracy is not suitable for all nations, it's the product of imperialism. China has their own ways. Blessing you China!
Our highly talented Dr. Eric Li👍
Look at them, how confident, natural and relaxed they are. This is China's Confidence Doctrine: confident in our chosen path, confident in our political system, and confident in our guiding theories.
Watching this video from 2021, it only gets better.
Eric Li is very succint Nd wise in his short speech. Bravo!
Excellent speaker, one of the best!
Three of them are good, wish more people listen , many westerners criticise China, but don't take the time to understand China.
From a European perspective I'm very optimistic about the rise of China and the fall of universalism.
How about European histories...?
China may overtake America as the World largest economy but China definitely don't want to be the World's military power. China's 5000 years history says the expansion of a Kingdom or Empire is suicidal.
eric lee clearly held a more higher position. it is really very educative when he stated that people had not been thinking a lot about what china refused to during her rising last three decades.
As a native of Hawaii I am sick and tired of America's political fighting that gets nothing done.
It's tough for Americans to realize that China's leaders aim to advance and are rewarded for advancing the good of China.
Admiral Zheng He sailed 1423 and his fleet way surpassed Columbus‘. China did not colonised any country.
Eric’s response to the phony New York Times guy at the end (around 47:00) was remarkable!
Emperor for Life. That's a fact, and it is a good thing. Xi knows best. He is a great leader. Eric didn't answer the question right. There's nothing wrong with the current Chinese system under Pres. Xi. Why you disparage that?
@@bobbarkeriii2597 Do not be extremism. everybody will make mistakes, even Chairman Mao. China should keep a perfect balance between its efficient dictatorship and an acceptable democracy. Public opinion over the world is also important. Anyway, I believe CCP can always state calm on this sort of issues.
@@frankc.9914 Li could not answer the question. Li could not say when Xi's presidential term will finish.
@@bobbarkeriii2597 Universal Declaration of Human Rights. Look it up. "Everyone is born free and equal". Not according to CCP.
Have to appreciate the irony :
1) French man concern about Democracy. After World War 2, Having just been occupied by (collaborated with) Germany, France with its UNIVERSAL values of Libert/ Egalite /Fraternite...went back to occupy Vietnam (with support of the US ) and its other colonies and exploit them. Fortunately they suffered a great defeat in the hands of the 'Communist' Vietnamese at Dien Bien Phu. In steps Uncle Sam in another destructive war in interest of defending 'Liberal Democracy' to the misery of Vietnam.
2) Israeli man worried about rights in HK and then China and people aspiring for greater freedom when their stomachs are full quoting some ism. So maybe that's why Israel keeps Palestinians hungry and without much basic rights.
3) New York Times fellow is the most pathetic. Presumptive and Aggressive but prefers to call others such. Worried about extradition of Criminals from Taiwan to Mainland or HK (initiated by HK)? What is rendition and CIA sponsored Prison camps during War on Terror with ZERO oversight?
Sadly Many Asians (see black clad hooligans in HK) prefer to read their news from Western sopurces or listen to these great Liberal Democracy preachers...wave British and American flags.
What do those represent? Did the British give HK rights when they were in charge? Patten came over having lost an election and used the final years in HK to save his own political bacon. BUT did HK citizens get granted British citizenship? I remember many Western people predicting HK would collapse when China took over then. Will these HK people be welcome with open arms in Trump's USA? Maybe if they have wall building skills...
You only have to look at the number of viewers for this video to realise most people prefer to see what they want to and are less open than they think. Shame.;)
Who started ancient globalisation which was Colonization = Dictatorship/Demorcracy = CAPITALIST..! (England. Spain, Portugal, Holland, France.....$$$$$$..? )
Western Hypocrisy.
@@jonathanlim2537 no, Greek might be the earliest, the light tower that western look up
Eric did beautifully answering the New York Time journalist. The journalist is a typically yanky who likes to tell the world how the things are without even the basic respect. The question could be worded differently, but he did in a way like picking a fight.
How much you hear, how much this statement is true:
In US America, people can choose to change political party but can't change policy.
In China, people can't just change their political party but they can change policy. For History has shown.
Looking at some comments below makes me realize that maybe what is happening now in the US and UK is not the worst that the people about to see yet. So many sour grapes and the NYT guy was definitely outraged about China's achievement and his own country's system failure.
Great discussion, hope this continues annually, and have more questions from the non-Western world.
I love Eric to tell those so called Western elites forcefully. Those have known the crisis in West and still refuse to leave theirlong echo chamber. Preach others shamelessly! so pitifule
Looking at this in 2021, it's gratifying to see karma snap back at these critics of HK about riots
from supposedly free countries.
The " journalist" from the new york times embarrassed himself badly. Eric gave him a big back hand. Journalist should just report the facts and keep their biases to themselves and ask questions based in facts and not inuendo.
I couldn't agree more, they're all now reporting their political opinions. Like the BBC journalist fleeing China to Taiwan. He knew the political implications of what he's doing.
What went wrong with HK Democracy? Too many American there, especially American CIAs.
Yes, ..I totally agreed with your statement.
GO China!
I love how Eric talked down the "Lady from the back". Lol!
The proportion of so-called pro-democracy group in China is dramatically decreasing recent years especially after the disgusting performance in HK enabled by Western intelligent agency. I would argue these chaos in HK, on one hand, do trapped China in a awkward scenario, but on the other hand, helped ordinary Chinese people to realise that democracy is not what they want. what Westerners are doing are not consistent with their goals to spread the riots all over China's territory. But it will never happen any more judged from my personal experience (the best timing is around 2008, there is a large proportion of people worshiping democracy, but now, it is the least minority and still decreasing ).
香港为我们去掉了一个错误的答案
So true, because I was part of that group warship democracy back in 2008
Why in 2008? What happened?
Seriously all this westerner talks about democracy is not interested in our well been. Clearly they conveyed a clear message i should be in power in your place. You shall be my slaved but in a beautiful sentence
Big 'Like' for the universal aspiration at 51:54!!! Everything is about EQUALITY.
The Western World should listen to Eric Li universal aspiration the Goal thank you
Wait until you know where this is s taking place...
That NY Times guy was just brushed off like a tiny dust on Eric’s shoulder LOL
HaHa. No. He scared the living daylights out of Eric. Criticizing Emperor Xi is dangerous.
@@bobbarkeriii2597 dont worry china wont silence him like what U.S always do
holy shit that New York times guy got rekt.
Everyone seems to like commenting on HK without even basic understanding ...
Election? 😂
You mean, elect & regret?
Such good speech and such less comments and view is illegal
Mr. Li just laid the smack down on steven erlanger.
He is the classic example of an arrogant and hubristic westerner and western mass media mis-informer.
In regards to the Ethiopian comment 2019, for all info, in 2011 Ethiopia trade never before had direct rail access to open water shipping until China BRI connected Ethiopia trading center to port of Djibouti by rail. next...
Watch John Pilger's well researched CZcams documentaries "The War on Democracy" and "The Coming War on China". Read William Blum's "America's Deadliest Export - Democracy " and Kishore Mahbubani's "Has China Won".
The "lady" in grey hair is just pissed off being called a lady and he raised a very aggressive and emotional question.
The movement in Hongkong is replicated to other countries.
Everything the chinese predicted happened. Wise long sighted people. Sadly the west are taught to look at present and not the future
Tell them good my friends!
Individual freedom comes with accountability and responsibility which westerners cannot comprehend. Others do not dispute your right to such virtue but it does not mean we must follow you blindly
Many westerners are harping about freedom of speech but do not realized they really don’t have one. A bad comment on yt is taken down all the time for example. The west don’t understand how the chinese view the ccp and why are platforms like FB or YT are banned. Most chinese view their ccp gov as their father or head of the family by heart due to recent successful track record. Regarding the ban of FB or YT, as I mentioned above, they can control what they want you to see which is dangerous for any country. No difference to why so many countries ban porns or etc. If a platform that can be used by the US to brainwash their people, why would any country allow it? Freedom comes with responsibility. Do you have the freedom to kill? Same thing
@@blardymunggas6884 Eugene debbs couldn't speak against the war, socialists have been assassinated... political speech can lead to death by the state in the US.
Fred Hampton was assassinated after being drugged and then shot in his sleep. Coward pig cops
The French man who presented his extremely racist proposal that as the Western countries and the US have similar shared values they can over ride the HongKong and China's authorisation, claiming that they, the foreign residents (?) are independent
and not subjected the Basic Law or the One Country two systems, which are, "entirely an internal
affair"! He didn't ng speak very early. Is he suggesting the white community in Hongkong are above the Chinese rule of law? Surely, he should leave the Sino- Asianeorld and move to live with the western society with whom he shares community values?. He's also arrogant as Eric responded,
" No one's stopping their elections".
Peace, ✌️ Prosperity and Progress and Congratulations 👏 China. Palestine will be free.🎉
HA. HA. HA, The best name-calling "Lady" at the back. Sure, it was the best stuff-up. Love Ronnie!!!
The western proverb "Too many cooks spoil the broths" as it reflects the government's western liberal democracy election model.
Great 👍
Good points by Eric on Africa. China will work closely with strong-man leaders in Africa.
If ordinary people want to vote for political leaders, they need to have a political background or corresponding academic qualifications. For example, if you want to provide medical advice to patients, you also need to be a physician. Is this the same thing? Do people who don't know how to rule the country choose the leader of the country? Look at Trump!
What goes up will have to come down is natural law.
if only the US and EU did better during corona...
Its their leaders and their administration.
Unfair trade is to block competitive trade....
Unfair trade is stop supply of chips block Hua Wei hand phone growth.
中国人的思维：事实检验，数据分析，得出结论
民主国的思维：假设情景，寻找证据，得出结论
你所批评的思维方式，正是科学的起源啊，中国历史上都是什么结论？阴阳？五行？八卦？易经？承认对手的有点并且学习，也是一个民族进步的方式。
正所谓实践是检验真理的唯一标准。原来高中一直觉得这是在喊口号，到现在看看西方政体和政策实施，真觉得当年年少无知。。。
Feng Ji ？？？
@@shinewream3421 找我有事？交流欢迎，骂架婉拒
有两种非常重要的思维方式，一种叫做分析，一种叫做归纳，我们中国人善于归纳，不善于分析，分析才是科学思想的起源，归纳是科学的辅助，正所谓灵光一闪，所谓的灵光，就是“假设情景”
Why dose the video make their heads look bigger?
Jerry Guan forgot to turn off selfie filter
I want ask the same 😂
Generally, smarter people have big heads because they studied too much. LoL
The audience, excluding the French speakers, is mainly rude and hostile, unlike the American Audience which had a lot of humour and empathy for The China topics!
Different cultures......!!
You can tell who is an American in the comment section, they all have CCP thrown in somewhere. Its hilarious
to be honest, that is the definition of prejudice, reaching conclusion without careful inspection and reasons
surprise！the rooster is back to US
@1:09 It is true that he had a Muslim Hui _background_ , but it's doubtful whether he himself was Muslim. There's evidence he made offerings to local cults at the port towns he visited, and took an interest in Buddhism later in life.
Is this taking place in China? In Beijing?
Ronnie Chan, you are just the moderator. Please allow your guests to explore their views. We are really not interested in your view. Don't be so self-centred.
there will be no globalization
....
proper manufacturing spread
each country at full potential
basic sustenance as support economy
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ERIC LI is best represent for. CHINA for my opinion He speaks with facts and logic which is true.
Democracy has its high threshold. The high-quality leader as highlighted by Professor Fukuyama, the late founding father of Singapore Mr Lee Kwan Yes had mentioned repeatedly, for Democracy system to shine, 2 prerequisites must comply, 1/ 60 % of its population is middle income group 2/ 60%and higher of its population is middle-class, only then will Democracy system succeed, or else we won’t see only a regressive democracy system. Case in point: America today and my home country.
Democracy is fundamentally flawed. Politicians will always try to play a group of people against another to generate votes. This will inevitably lead to a very divided society. In an authoritarian it is the shepherd who leads the ship, while in a democracy it is the other way around. How is that good?
really? just in case you don't know, democracy was the tag of USSR. and African American got their right to vote in 1960S. even today, America does not do universal election. how is that democratic? also, remember Hitler? he was elected.
In Malaysia (similar to Kambodja) which practices "Constitutional (elective) Monarchy" Democracy], Members of Parliament are elected through National General (poll) Election once every 5 years (if not earlier) the winning (with simple majority) "party" (or coalition of parties) who will "elect/nominate" our Prime Minister subject to the APPROVAL (or endorsement) by the King (aka Agung, in our National Language, Bahasa Malaysia) to form the Government. [Likewise, at State level, (simultaneously or otherwise) State Assemblymen, and the winning (by simple majority) "party or coalition" will nominate/propose the Chief Minister for the approval/endorsement by the Sultan (Ruler) or Governor of the respective State].
说啥呢？就说了一句废话
these peoples just have benefit, no justice.
Not so much deglobalisation as reglobalisation.
0:30 his head is strangely bigger than it should it seems.
Big brain don't need much muscles .
haha, it suprised me as well
America is a continent, not a country. The country you're talking about is the United States of ... please stop using America to refer to the US. They sequestered the name of a whole continent and claimed it as theirs, but it's not.
#FreePR #IndependenceNow
Make America great again. Have you hear about that? It is the same in reality. Canada is nothing to USA, and can't against US other than following the order. Mexico is the same and even worse due to the race issue.
Why get mad, it was and is the USA calling themselves America. Not happy at less have Centrical & South America
why everyone's head looks so big in this video?'
cause they actually have big head
Great observation !
You have a different focus point. . Amazing..
does anyone have the same opnion as mine that the host has a huge head ?
Or a relatively small body..
Massive head
He got big brain, too.
Yes, he is big-hearted (arrogant).
if china government can dictate china's company how to do something ..
that is not any near globalization idea
Honor cannot coexist with shame. Your opinion is funny. The US gov and the European Union have done a lot to dictate companies. So do n’t kidnap others with morality.
@@weihello2 Whataboutism, when you can make a decent rebuttal to the argument.
@@georgeinjapan6583 your whole legal system is based on whataboutism
@@georgeinjapan6583 Whataboutism is the foundation of your democratic system.
I don't think you have really listen or understood the talk
pigs' peace
So in the end this entire video is saying China has their priorities straight... its time for the world to make a checklist
Kong is not a sovereign state." That's the point. It was a British colony leased to the UK for 99 years. It was never a democracy.
@@yananneteoh9818 It was never a democracy under the British. It is now under the one country two systems approach.
When Eric and the host talk about China being more globalizing. I think what they said perfectly coincide with what the upper 1% see. Yes, it is ok for foreign business to do business in China. But look at the Chinese citizen side of the story. Same goods as the other parts of the world, we have to pay more. Look at the auto price, the house price, the drug price. If this is still globalized country, I certainly don’t agree.
？？？汽车价格有什么问题？小资产阶级的无病呻吟罢了。
We in New Zealand also pay more for stuff than the US, even milk and diary products.
It's the US dollar status as global reserve currency that enables cheap consumer goods prices.
michael wang global reserve currency actually contains quite a few currencies in addition to usd.
Peijie Yin it is your opinion that it doesn’t have any problem. It is the same as saying someone else has a problem and I don’t care.
@@user-dh3qo8ge7n Have you considered buying used car, used ipad, used house, used everything else? Those are cheaper. A nearly dead car could be bought for a few hundred. But you want brand new for cheap, isn't that right? If the rest of the world have to make do with used items, what gives you the right to be different? If you are not happy where you are, you should consider leaving and join the poor people abroad. Living on the street in a cardboard box is very cheap. You might even get to vote. But you will not be able to vote yourself out of the cardboard box.
Now I know why he stood up, he is putting me asleep. His pauses inbetween his words to lick his lips are like an eternity
why all chinese pro china ?
Why all westerners don mind their own business?
why not?
This is something westerns will never understand. Because westerns never know independency and sustainability of a civilization is the most important thing.
Chinese are very pragmatic people. They are pro "whatever works well". I would bet they will switch to democracy if you can show them how well liberal democracy is, how it will lift people out of poverty, build a safer society, efficient government, etc.
Become rich without war
Why couldn't he answer the New York Times' reporter's question?
Because it is not worth answering to smearing question.
@@thomaslong8448 In my view, he was afraid to answer it. He has said in the past (TED) that China has term limits for presidents in order to prevent one president from seizing power for a long time. I think he was afraid to contradict himself here. Many people were unhappy that Xi became president without term limits. Of course, they are afraid to say that now, due to fear of reprisal.
probably like u said,but you know through these 40 years,china growed from tons of lies,some said democracy,some say follow US, many many words,but in the end what practice make it clear,which is what make people live better is right, so for changing,chinese are fearness,so we judge this change from result,which we will see
@@bobbarkeriii2597
I watched TED too. Eric didn't say term limit on Presidents.
What he said was, "China is always reforming gradually, the effects of reforms are visible everywhere, one visible thing is that NPC members becomes much younger, due to the implementation of the term limits, it is a good thing".
Eric was not talking about Presidents. He was talking about NPC.
@@htin08 Yes, presidents, I know. So what.
Ronnie Chan, why don't you shut up & just introduce your guests? Your intro is boring and you misused the word 'globalisation'.
Ronnie Chan is one of the few in Hong Kong who actually understand politics and IR. I rather like his words in many other occasions
Once again, dude couldn't answer the New York Times reporter's question. Defensiveness mixed with agressiveness.
Eric Li such a smart guy, always very good speaker and idea
@@wendykee2037 Yes, he's a smart guy. i enjoy his talks. But he couldn't answer the question.
He did answer the question. He said that terms limits have been removed but that China still has retirement customs. Now, that's a very diplomatic answer.
The real answer to the question is the following: Xi Jinping is not necessarily emperor for life because his position as President of China is dependent on his ability to ensure high GDP growth (between 6-8%). As long as he is able to deliver high economic growth, he will remain president. If he is unable to deliver that at some point, he will either be asked to step down or violently deposed. Obviously someone like Eric Li, who represents China on the world stage, cannot give such a blunt answer.
@@bobbarkeriii2597
He answered the question well. This notion that Xi is "Leader for life" was a western propaganda tool for the masses. The removal of two-term limits is all that China has done ... which, is absolutely no different than what is done in Germany, Canada, Japan, Russia, Australia, New Zealand and Singapore.
The NYT question was full of arrogance in the way the question was framed. It does not surprise me that a US media giant is reciting western propaganda ... that's why the NYT, FOX and CNN spend much time reporting "opinion" instead of "news". Who needs "facts" when "opinion" alone is sufficient!
@@leahcasey2678 Yes, Russia eliminated term limits as well. So did Belarus (see the news lately?) Gemany, etc . never had term limits. But those countries you mention have to hold general elections under the law every few years (term LIMITS vary by country). He did not answer the NYT reporter's question.
According to the Gini Index, income inequality in China is one of the worst in the world. Income inequality has been rising rapidly in China and now surpasses that of the U.S. by a large margin, say University of Michigan researchers. ... They found that the Gini coefficient for family income in China is now around 0.55 compared to 0.45 in the U.S. In 1980, China's Gini coefficient was 0.30.
China's Gini Index dropped dramatically from 42 in 2002 to 38.5 in 2017, while US's Gini Index steadily rose from 40.3 to 41.4 in the meantime.
@@dianayan7656 Yes, both of those two countries (USA, China) have terrible inequality
@@dianayan7656 It will be interesting to see what it is now for each country. I prefer a range between 30 and 40.
The Gini coefficient is meaningless in large countries. Most people will not leave their area. In their own region, the gap between rich and poor is not obvious, so there will be no social problems. If you want to discuss the Gini coefficient, limit it to cities or small countries.
@@yadoliu ??? Interesting. So it is worthless then.