Zoom Virtual Production Hacks
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- čas přidán 5. 07. 2024
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Timecodes:
0:00 Intro
0:22 Getting 1080p From Zoom
2:30 Zoom Rooms
4:46 Zoom Admin Settings
12:04 Clean Feed v Screenshare
12:24 Zoom Return Feeds
14:47 Spotlight v Pins
17:48 Audio & Mix-Minus - Věda a technologie
this is worth $200+ online course, awesome!
One of the clearest explanations of mix minus I have seen.
thanks for the good breakdown of mix minus.
Really great job with this, thank you! If I just wanted to record a single person video interview via zoom, would I get better video quality by routing to a separate recording device vs just hitting record on zoom?
I love the knowledge on the whiteboard.
Thanks for a very interesting video. Could you make one covering how to deal with several people in the local studio plus several people calling in and then making the studio people here the callers without creating echo/leakage through the local mics? In my experience there is often a slight echo even if Zoom/Teams internal mix minus is supposed to eliminate it. (Maybe because of the delays in the audio introduced to sync with the hdmi video?)
This is high level corporate streaming hacks! Cool stuff!
Excellent! Thank you so much for this video. It's going to help a lot for events that I will be doing in the future
Thanks for the hint about using the Atem Mini for audio. I've got one sitting in front of me next to my new Extreme ISO and wasn't sure if I had any need for it.
Glad we could help!
An treasure chest of hacks and info here guys. Thanks especially for the screen share approach on computer 8. I probably would have figured that out eventually, but you probably saved me a fair amount of head scratching. Thanks as well for the mix-minus overview. The aggregate Zoom routing makes sense. My Behringer XR18 can support a mix like that with no problem, and with 6 aux outs I could handle the Skype scenario with individual calls you describe as well. I would also say that the USB audio interface approach can make a big difference when dealing with audio from individual guest computers. In particular the better interfaces will offer balanced ins and outs (XLR and/or balanced 1/4 inch connections) which allow for longer cable runs and tend to eliminate interference that a regular 3.5mm cable might pick up.
I agree completely. Glad you liked the hacks and info. Sounds like you have some flexibility or scalability built into your system. Dedicated sound cards will probably be better than the headphone jack more often than not. In terms of stereo vs Mono, Make sure the platform you are using can support stereo, otherwise it won't make a noticeable difference if your signal is mono but you are converting to stereo. I believe zoom can do stereo if you click the correct settings and the user on the other end is sending stereo signal.
Do you have sync issues between remote speakers with sound from Z1 but video from Z2/Z3....?
This is all super valuable, but could you explain the experience you are creating? I feel like I missed what the end output is. Are you creating a Livestream/pre-record for an audience tuning in which features up to 7x Guests with one main host who can pull in guests to speak? So you are creating a good experience for people who tune into the show, the main host and the guest speaker on Zoom at the same time?
Great video. I am not quite clear what the atems behind the laptops are form exactly. I'd appreciate the insight.
very great explanation of mix minus
Outstanding presentation!
Which LAV mic set up you have? (transmistter & microphone)
May I know what's the ending result in the mix minus setup? Is it a youtube live stream or what?. Because in my setup, I need to live stream to both youtuve and Zoom (spotlight my own video) as well, so I have to use OBS ninja to bring in remote guest feed it back to zoom.
Question for you why would you need to route the headphone jack audio back into zoom?
When Spotlighting, if Z2, Z3, etc are Co-Hosts, the spotlight does NOT replace any of the pins. It only replaces pins of non-Hosts/Co-hosts. So you can keep your clean feeds running.
Good tip. I believe that is right but will have to test to confirm. We might start doing that on virtual events where we spotlight people for I am sure a lot of people will find that helpful for their own gigs.
I win knowledge!! Great video by the way!
So you're just producing a pre-recorded video here, not publishing directly to a live zoom call on one zoom, correct? I am doing a stream in a few weeks and the best I've figured for live streaming is to have a stage zoom (where everyone is speaking from) and an event zoom (where everyone is watching) so I don't have an issue with audio delay. I don't think there's any way to capture the video, put graphics on it and get it back to the call fast enough for there not to be an audio sync issue.
What is the model of the portable screens that are mounted on the wall?
Hey Brandon is it possible for you to do a video demonstrating the actual audio procedures in more detail? Or do I need to pay you for that info? either way I would appreciate it. I am doing a church event online and I am wanting to send zoom out to CZcams livestream. I can't seam to get audio from zoom participants into the item extreme. However when I do the speaker test in Zoom I do get the test signal to the Atem. I know I am doing something wrong please help.
Trying to figure out a Zoom Mix-, Scenario. I undrstand the idea of it, IE if you send a caller back to himself, his mic will picks the return of himself and thus returning back to me hence the loopback. What I dont understand is show relay. If I understand correctly you can send an entire show, videos, MC etc just fine once you dont send the zoom mix back. Here's the thing, how come the Videos & MC don't get the same loopback? What am I missing here?
Great video! Do you know of a way to make the Zoom controls never pop up on the bottom? I know when people share their screen in zoom, it makes the controls pop up on every other computer, even in Dual Monitor mode. Do you just let that happen in a production, do you crop the bottom of a screen, or do you know of a setting to stop them from ever showing (I've hunted to no avail!!). Thanks!
you can turn off "show zoom controls" under the settings
I saw the thing on the whiteboard!!
Nice setup. But don't forget to enable "original audio"and ut "suppress background noise" to low to be able to play music in Zoom as walk-in music, otherwise Zoom will suppress it. And why use Atem mini's for return video feeds? Just use NDI or simple HDMI/USB capture cards. It's way cheaper and easier.
I'm very curious about what you are doing and why you are doing it.
Thanks for the video! One of the challenges I have is whenever I play music (via BM ATEM mini w USB to zoom) the audio is terrible. It will cut/fade in and out Especially if the if the song has someone singing. I ensure the 'original audio' is active but it still seems like Zoom is trying to use a combination of gates/limiters/compression yielding poor results. What is your advice on the music integration?
There should also be a high fidelity music option in zoom. Make sure that is checked and change other sound options to low like feedback suppression should be set to low, etc.
Also make sure music is loud enough to help get through an gates zoom might be doing. And your atem audio settings should not have an gates either.
I gotta get myself some more MacBooks, haha. This is a great set up though! Kind of a shame Zoom doesn't support an easier way of doing this. I'm not a fan of Teams or Skype but the NDI outs are great to have!
Totally agree! Zoom probably will come out with something or someone will create a third party application like what newteck has done with skype to be able to breakout out ISO feeds a bit easier.
Try Discord
Thanks for the video, If I'm not mistaken, if you send everything to youtube including Z1, you will have some echo with music and playback because they way you have it, you're already sending those to zoom and your getting them back through Z1.
The audio coming from Z1 does not include audio that is being sent out of Z1, so there wouldn't be an echo.
Hi Andraos, you are close. Z1 will not send back the audio signal we send to it because zoom handles it's own mix minus in the computer for all of the zoom participants/users. This means we will only hear zoom users and what every they send into the call. We will not be hearing what we send into zoom from Z1. If we pulled audio from any of the other zoom drones, then we would get that echo you are talking about. This is why we always send and receive audio from one computer.
Nice video! ZoomOSC and RoomOSC could probably help streamline the workflow here even further for automation of the UI interactions.
Yes! I plan on looking into Zoom OSC commands as I can trigger them from a stream deck. Haven't had time but its definitely on the list and we hope it will make everything a bit smoother with out 8+ laptops being used for just zoom. Thanks for the heads up!
@@A2ZProductions Feel free to reach out at any time for help, we love projects like what you are doing and are always glad to provide some assistance if needed.
Is there a way to save individual audio when recording into the cloud on Zoom's servers? Local recording seems to take quite a lot of extra bandwidth which isn't always available.
I do not believe there is currently a way to do ISO audio feeds to the cloud. Local records do tend to drift and will be out of sync if people are muting and unmuting their mics as zoom only records audio if mic is unmuted for that user.
thank you=))
Can you tell what sound mixer are you using to make separate mixes for several outputs?
We have standardized on the QSC touch mix series. The touch mix 30 for our studio and then touch mix 16 for our on the road gigs. We have also used the allen and heath QU-16 in our studio which i liked for its individual pre and post fader settings per channel instead of per AUX output. Both are good mixers especially for zoom and all the virtual audio and doing mix-Minus signals. Touchmix is pretty good bang for the buck especially for its size. Very powerful tool.
Nice video. I need a help on zoom. I am a Teacher, and I need to see screen sharing of each of the 4 participants on 4 different monitors connected to my laptop. Can you please suggest how can we do that?
Hi A2Z, so if I am correct at 25:00 presenters are on one zoom call but the arrow (the one that is going to YT) if it were to be replaced by zoom, would need to go to a separate zoom call? Thus the video audio mix you send to presenters vs what you send to the audience is separate
If I am understanding you correctly then yes! We send a separate video and audio mix back to zoom and then a different audio/video mix that contains the program audio and video to the audience. They are similar but have differences to avoid audio feedback in zoom.
@@A2ZProductions So you would need an audio mixer with at least 2 AUX outs, correct? One for Zoom and then one for the program.
Have you considered using Zoom ISO?
Great video :) Why not use one laptop with dual monitor outputs for screen share (zoom monitor 2) and pinning a participant (zoom monitor 1) at the same time? Seems unnecessary to have a laptop for screen share only
Great suggestion. We actually have done that before especially in our previous studio builds. Just for our flexibility in our current studio we have dedicated a laptop to it because it is already set up and then it makes it easier when we use other platforms or are doing other things besides virtual zoom call streams etc. We try not to re wire or unplug anything when doing different jobs in our studio to keep thing consistent and not confuse any of our staff. But you are right, we could absolutely use Z7 and have 2 outputs coming from it for pinning a person and for having a screen share. When we get spread thin with computers, we have gone back to doing 2 outputs per computer with dual screen but if we have it, why not use it.
Hi, I need to understand something. You have a second monitor to the HDMI out of your monitor right. So since the second monitor only have a HMDI in. How do you get the signal to the Atem switcher. Do you use an USB C adapter to add another HDMI or a HDMI splitter? Thanks
Good question. We use an HDMI to SDI converter to get signal from the laptop to the switcher. These converters from black magic and decimator have HDMI loop throughs which we use to connect the HDMI monitors to each laptop below it.
A2Z Productions So your using your Atem constellation because there’s no SDI on the Atem extreme. So if I want to achieve the samething with my ATEM Extreme Would an HDMI splitter would do the work even though its not exactly like a passthrough? Any other suggestions to achieve this with no SDI
Can you explain how each of the laptops are connected to the zoom call? Are they all joined in as separate users? Like you would have if a person was in a remote location? Or are they all separate monitors for the main laptop? You stated you did a consult? I can get more info on that?
All of the laptops are joined into 1 call as anonymous users. Meaning there is no account linked to any of them. Sometime we make Z1 the host and other times the computer in a different room is hosting the call with the zoom receptionist talking to users before we push them to a breakout room called main stage. We have had a good amount of people reach out for private consulting with their personal questions and setups. Some 1 on 1 time. Feel free to email brian@a2zmusicfactory.com for pricing and to set up a time. Thanks!
@@A2ZProductions just sent you an email!
Thank you.
Welcome!
The individual Zoom audio tracks are always out of sync. Why is that and is there a workaround?
If people mute and unmute their mic then zoom cuts out anytime they mute their mic. To save storage space and processing power. This may be fixed but last time i checked this was the case. Audio does tend to drift and I have not found a great work around yet. We have pretty good editor who has done it so much that he kind of has it down now but honestly its a bit of a pain and we try pretty hard to just use program audio instead of individual tracks unless its really needed.
@@A2ZProductions Could you not just use something like Pluraleyes in post to sync the drift?
Hi, i need some help for hybrid events - the audio from Z2, Z3, etc needs to be feed into the room/conference.
By your illustration, wouldn't there be an audio-video sync issue since audio is coming from Z1 but the visual is coming from Z2, etc...?
Thanks in advance.
We don’t run into a sync issue since we do everything we can to make sure all the drones are getting the signal in sync with same Ethernet switch feeding all of them from same zoom call etc. same software, computer specs etc. You are correct about our setup but we don’t run into zoom sync issues between the drones or at least not enough to noticeable beyond zooms normal sync issues.
@@A2ZProductions Thank you. Very impressive setup you have there.
nice
25:08 lets say if Z4 is speaking, wouldn't Z3 hear Z4 via zoom and through z1? or am I stupid?
To say it simply, we are only capturing audio from Z1 and we are also only sending audio to Z1. The audio that we are sending to Z1 includes our mic, playback, music etc. But we are not sending Z1 to Z1. So everyone on the call is hearing the participants audio through zoom (because we are not sending zoom audio back to zoom). We are simply sending them the other audio that is in the stream so they know what's going on and then our mic so we can give ques.
@@A2ZProductions ah gotcha. that makes sense. I thought you’re basically sending the final audio + the mic to zoom again and was wondering how there wasn’t an echo.
Btw just got your channel recommended by CZcams today and I am absolutely enjoying the videos. Keep up the great work guys!
You could do this all through VMIX 🤷♂️. I like all the gear and your signal flows, but using VMIX call seems easier.
Vmix call can struggle with enterprise firewall/filters/picky IT departments. and you want the user to be familiar with the video solution.
if the talent/speakers normally use zoom, then use zoom. or use teams if that is their daily driver.
and skip the support headache:P
Our setup looks like the one shown in the video, we ofcourse have vmix also, but always lets the customer choose
How do you include a participant's video on Zoom to the atem mini extreme's layout? Is that even possible?
Very possible, check out some of our other videos explaining how we do it. We call them zoom drones.
@@A2ZProductions ohhh amazing!!! Let me search that video....
by the way, I have received your free layouts via email! You guys are real! Thank you! 🙏🏻
@@A2ZProductions I cannot seem to find this specific video. Could you please send the link here?
I searched: zoom drones
Wouldn’t your mic in the mix minus in your example leak in the broadcast?
Not in this case as zoom will not send back the signal I am sending to it. If I pulled audio from a different laptop then what my mic was sending to... then I would get my mic going into program but that is not the diagram here. Make sure to send and receive audio all from one computer for this scenario to work properly. 50 different solutions to a mic minus problem but this one keeps it simple. Well somewhat simple.
i feel like NDI would solve almost everything youre doing there.
Found the Easter Egg
We are excited for some of our upcoming videos.
at least it’s not teams