[EN] The TISSOT Powermatic 80 movement
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On today's episode, I talk about the Tissot Powermatic 80 and it's characteristics and peculiarities.
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Just to summarize some of what has already been said in the comments before and add some additional useful (I hope) information. There is not one Powermatic 80 movement; there are several. As already mentioned in the video, the name of the movement starts with C07 and is followed by three numbers. E.g. C07.111. When looking on the Tissot website, they call their Powermatic 80 movements C80, followed by the same three numbers as the C07 naming, so the C07.111 movement will be called the C80.111 movement on the Tissot website.
Now, the three numbers in the type name do have a meaning. The first number can be 1, 6 or 8. The ones starting with 1 have the plastic pallet fork. The ones starting with 6 have a classic pallet fork (with rubies) and the ones starting with 8 have a silicon hairspring and classic palet fork with rubies.
The second of these numbers indicates the functions that are included in the caliber: 0 = Central seconds, 1 = Central seconds + date, 2 = central seconds + day+date, 5 = Big date, 6 = date + GMT, 7 = central seconds + power reserve indicator.
The third digit is always 1 (at this time).
At this time, as far as I know, Tissot does not yet use all of the available C07 calibers (I know they use 111, 601, 661, 811).
I hope this is useful.
Thank you, that was the info I was looking for.
Do you know something about Certina movements with Nivachron (POWERMATIC 80.651) as Certina also belongs to Swatch group.
Is the "nivachron" just marketing or would it be something different 🤔?
Thanks.
@@TheKocton The Powermatic 80.651 corresponds to the ETA C07.651 movement. As far as I can see, Certina is the only watch brand that uses this movement.
The Nivachron hairspring seems to be an alternative to the silicon hairspring that is used in the Tissot. It is also supposed to be anti-magnetic, but honestly, I don't know what exactly it is.
I just bought a Tissot gentleman powermatic 80 silicium grey market. The movement is stamped with C07.111 behind the balance. The rotor has 25 jewels, Silicon balance spring, Swiss made on it. Im wondering if the movement should be stamped with C07.811 and not C07.111? The rotor has all the correct markings but the C07.111 marking on the movement has me worried. Did I buy a frankenwatch 😀
@@tipptop9 Strange. I have a Tissot gentleman powermatic 80, bought from an official Tissot dealer, and I cannot see an ETA stamp. You can check if the movement is indeed a C07.811. You should see the letters "Si", circled with a spiral at the 9 o'clock position next to the balance wheel when you look at the movement when the balance wheel is at the top (crown to the left). If the "Si" is not there, they have probably replaced the movement with a C07.111 and replaced the rotor with an original Gentleman rotor.
@@peterdegelaen I think my reply was deleted, possibly because I put a link to caliber corner info on the powermatic 80. Anyway I got the watch off a guy who says he got it from creation watches. It has Powermatic 80 silicium on the dial, it has the correct markings for the model on the rotor listed in previous reply, it doesn't have SI on the balance bridge and it has C07.111 stamped on the movement behind the balance, along with eta logo. It looks like some swappery has happened alright. The watch keeps perfect time and has no other issues surprisingly. No response from the seller so I guess i have my answer. I'll only be buying from AD in future, lesson learned.
Finally some real information about movement technology, not just the trivial reviews one sees in so many channels. Thanks!
I bought my Powermatic 80 one year ago. It performs faultlessly. It’s my forever watch.
The powematic 80 silicium I have, it’s so accurate ! I am very pleased with this tissot.
Excellent video!!!
I'm interested in a Tissot with a Powermatic 80.
Especially, thank you, for explaining to the ignorant masses regarding other videos speaking the word "plastic". You use the word "polymer" 👍👍.
People hear plastic and immediately think CHEAP.
They don't realize what awesome materials Man can create in plastics....polymers.
Same with aluminium, Stainless steels, etc.
Just one example is impregnating PTFE, Teflon, into the "plastic", and at different percentages.
The engineering for materials nowadays is extraordinary!, to say the least.
Plus all the classified materials that are created for the military, and never revealed to the public right away.
Anyway, I have no problem buying the P80 with a polymer escapement, it'll depend on other factors.
Have a great day 😀.
Most detailed analysis of the powermatic Ive come across. Thank you for posting this!
I have a 3 year old Tissot Chemins des Tourelles that uses the C07.111 and is not COSC certified. I looses about 30 seconds in one month so roughly and average of 1 second per day. Pretty dam accurate for a movement with plastic pallet and escapement. A lot of watch "enthusiasts" look down on these engineered synthetic polymer parts but it just may be the way of the future. They are lighter weight and help achieve the 80 hour power reserve along with the longer thinner main spring. Quite the feat of engineering and innovation in my humble opinion.
The silicium and novichron got a metall escapement
A self lubricating polymer sounds to me like they're using Delrin (or some variation of it). My experience with that material is that it's extremely durable. If Tissot is using that material for the escapement I don't think long term durability will be a problem.
😂
Agree. But when people hear "plastic" or "polymer" they automatically think it's a toy. The same thing occurred when pro cameras started using polymer for the frame. Everyone said it was the end of durability. But, now nearly all pro cameras use polymer frames because it is actually more durable than alloy. Glock had the same pushback with their renowned polymer gun frames. But, some people will never change or admit they are wrong.
I am a complete noob when it comes to watches and I just got the Tissot Ballade with the Powermatic 80 movement. Thanks so much for this video explaining what makes this movement so unique and interesting!
Excellent explanation, finally someone explained it properly, good job
I have a Mido Chronometer Jubilee, with the Powermatic 80. This has the silicon hairspring. Presently this watch was +9 seconds in one month. It’s the most accurate mechanical watch I own. It’s also the least expensive watch I own, but a very large margin. It’s amazing!
There's a huge difference between Mido and Tissot:
Tissot Powermatic 80 has a plastic escapement, while Mido has steel escape wheel and anchorl, with two rubies at the ends of the anchor.
There is ONE version of the Powermatic that uses the polymer escapement, the C07.1xx. The other PM movements used, the C07.6xx and C07.8xx, do NOT have the polymer escapement. It's therefore not correct to make a blanket statement that "Tissot Powermatic 80 has a plastic escapement". This, again, is only true of the C07.1xx. Most Tissot mechanical watches do not use this lower-tier movement.
The Certina DS PH200M (original aluminum bezel insert version) uses the Powermatic 80.111. I have one of these and when new it was running at +1.4spd and over 5 years later it’s still running at +1.4spd. With over 3 days power reserve that makes for one good watch for use outdoors.
It’s a great watch, not my best or most costly watch, but great nonetheless.
One doesn’t buy such watches for their Haute Horology (of which there is none 😂) but for their practical use and durability in outdoors life.
Either way, it’s a great movement that has served me very well.
Your knowledge always leaves me in awe. So very well explained always. I hope for the best for you and your channel.
Keep up the good work
Now this is the detail I've been wanting when talking about a movement. Great video, I'm subscribing now
Este canal é fantástico para quem é verdadeiramente apaixonado por relojoaria. É uma pena não haver novos vídeos.
Very inforrmative sir. I have two Tissot powermatic 80 watches with the eta 2824 movements. I now understand how the movements function much better. ty mh
The Powermatic branding is also present on Certina watches with this movement. Such as the latest versions of the DS Action Diver Automatics and others.
Yep, you are absolutelly right!!! :-)
That seems to be the case since Certina watches are also under the Swatch umbrella.
A lot of people shtting on the pastic part of the Powermatic 80. Plastic is used in vehicle engines, any complaints with that?
Yes
Thanks for clarifying a lot of things I didn’t know about the Powermatic 80 movement. I hear a lot of people criticizing it for things that apparently are not even true.
Wow great video! Very informative! Now I gained an appreciation for the polymer parts of the Powermatic 80.
Nicely informative video about power reserve. Can you please do a video about Parmigiani movements with twin barrels in series?
Very detailed explanation on how and the type machanical watches movement works. Have learned a lot through your videos sharing, I wish to see more of these soon. 🙏
Fantastic channel! Real horologic knowledge around here. Facts and not fiction…keep going man!
Esse cara é outro patamar
I bought a Certina DS Action Diver with the Powermatic 80 movement and set it to local standard time while still at the AD, Feb28.
3 days later and it has lost just 2 seconds, to say that I'm impressed is an understatement. 😁
assuming you had put new energy in by wearing the watch...
@@buckrogers5429 Yes sir it's my everyday piece.
Excellent explanation of the Powermatic 80 movement. Thanks so much.
What a fantastic video - love the detailed, informed commentary. Thanks for sharing this
As I understand it, the 23 jewel powermatic 80s have the plastic forks. However, the new Tissots such as the tissot gentlemen have the 25 jewel powermatic 80. Do you have any info on whether they brought back the original material or is it still plastic?
Yes, good observation. Apparently Tissot started using the C07.611, that is a metal and jewel escapement version, like the ones used by other brands, and it have 25 jewels (exactly because of the two pallets of the fork).
Ok . Now I am understanding. My Hamilton has 25 Jewel .
@@davidcoleman2463 its about the TISSOT powermatic Not ur hamilton 🤣
The gentelman have the C07.811 25jewels withe silicon balance spring ...
confusion Reigns supreme!
this was fascinating. will have to check out your other vids.
Excellent video and explanation. I just got my Certina DS Caimano with Powermatic 80, C07.111 caliber.
I actually got 88.5 hours on a single charge when I last tested!!
I do however notice that the watch can speed up and also slow again when randomly observed over a short period on wrist.
Wow, best explanation I have ever seen. I have one question, If the plastic escapement gets broken, can it be replaced with a regular escapement?
Humm... good question. There is a good possibility that yes, you can. Because from the manufacturing point of view, is very likelly that ETA used the same design and dimensions to fit both. But I'm not 100% sure if the jewels spacing and hole diameters are the same, or the pallet bankings. But still, they could only be replaced by ones from another C07, and never from a 2824.
Thanks for answering my question!
Awesome video! Learned a ton. Thanks so much.
Thank you for getting straight to the point
Very good video. It has confirmed things I knew more, it has brought new knowledge about this movement. Thank you.
Interesting....and do you know what is meant with laser regulated movements?
if we sell the watch do we wind it by hand how many turns by crown can we do to store 80 hours of power reserve in barrel drum.
A most informative presentation. Thank you.
I really enjoyed watching your video! Would you recommend a tissot ballade chronometer? I am looking for my first chronometer watch. Thank you.
WOW! The more you know! 😎 Thank you for this video!
This video has earned you a new subscription. Well done.
Can you please tell me what grade of ETA is the powermatic 80 silicium found in the tissot gentleman?
The Gentleman Silicium uses the C07.811. This is the highest tier PowerMatic. That watch is a terrific bargain for the quality of the movement for such a reasonable cost.
The movement version with silicium spring clearly says "25-jewells", doesnt that mean metallic escapement, those movements with plastic escapement has 23 jewells?
Yes, if you see "25 jewels", you can assume it uses steel and rubies escapement versus the polymer "23 jewels". The extra jewels are exactly the two pallets on the fork/lever/anchor.
Impressive and informative video! Could you make a video on jewels( the number and it's uses) in mechanical watches.
Hello, Thank for this video) do Longines has plastic material in their movement like Tissot?
No, only the Tissot versions do.
No, Longines movements, COSC grade, 5 star...
My PRX Powermatic 80 runs at +2s/d!
Right, and the PRX uses the "plastic" escapement so many snobs complain about. It must really be annoying for them to see this movement being more accurate than their expensive "all metal" watches.
Mine has run at +1.4spd for over 5 years now. (Certina DS PH200M)
Hello Sir.
I hope you doing great.
I'm looking to buy a automatic watch for my girlfriend.
I'm considering two watches 1st one is Tissot Carson Premium Automatic Lady which has ETA2671 and another watch I'm considering is PR100 Powermatic 80 Lady on which I'm getting 50% off.
But i wanted to ask which movement is best in both?
ETA 2671 or Powermatic 80.111?
I want something which may last century.
Any help would be appreciated. Thank you Sir.
I have read that powermatic 80 is not serviceable and you have to send it to tissot factory...is that true?
Excellent. Thank You.
Great review of PM80 finally! Can you please confirm servicabillity of the movement? I got the PRX recently and dont know its longevity...
Are all powermatic 80 movements interchangeable with ETA 2824? Are they the same dimensions on the outside?
No me gusta que bajen las alternancias a 21600, el punto diferenciador con respecto a otros movimientos eran las 28800. Ademas no puedes regularlo por ti mismo...
Si, és verdad, no hay como (o se quedaria muy dificil) regularlo sin la herramienta correcta, especialmente para saberlo quanto se debe mover los "pesos" de reglage.
Hi, I also have a Tissot with this mechanism (C07.111) with this famous "plastic escapement" more precisely this Tissot T0864071104700 and I would like to know (that you were talking about at the end of the video the same performance and accuracy two types of escapement) if it is normal to have a deviation of 13 seconds after 48 hours of use!It is for the first time when I use such a mechanism (automatic) and it seems a lot to me given that I do not have much information on the net about this mechanism and its daily performance ...and this in comparison with another C07 but with normal escapement!Thank you in advance.
what can you say about the synthetic scapement's life span on the powermatic C7.111?
Very informative 😊
Excellent video! Have you worked on a C07 movement? Can this movement be serviced by a watchmaker, or does it have to be sent back to the Swatch Group company?
It have really nothing different from a 2824 in terms of maintenance, except that you may need a special or adapted tool to adjust the rate (and a expected experience on regulating free-sprung balances). The only problem if that if you really get something wrong with the escapement, you'll have invariably to send it to an authorized Tissot/Swatch Group workshop.
So far more Hamilton H10 movment is running great . I have had the watch a year and still have one year left on the warrenty.
sent back!
So are you saying that a watch like this will have a case of diminishing returns for the accuracy as it approaches its 80hr reserve? Would it be significant?
Amazing technical review!
Boa tarde, Adriano. Vale apena comprar um tissot Bridgeport com máquina 7750 dourada?
Great video. Thanks for the info. I Just bought the RADO Centrix with cal 770 movements, does it have the polymer escapement ??. I am happy with the accuracy, in fact its more accurate then my Patek 3700 nautilus jumbo.
Hi! You're right, the RADO 770 is basically this same movement, but with metal and jewel escapament, not polymer. And yes, it's pretty accurate.
I don't like plastic escape wheel & pallet fork, but I should try..
Make sure you don’t buy the 23 jewel version . 25 jewels version has no plastic parts in.
Mestre, o Powermatic 80 silicium também tem roda de escape e âncora em polímero? Ou é somente o Powermatic 80? Pq o Silicium tem 2 jewels a mais!!
My tissot Gentleman have consequent 3 sec after every 24 h since two weeks everyday use
Cool has the Gentleman on my wishlist 👍
Thank you for the very useful video. 👍
Can you please comment on the accuracy of Powermatic movement
VERY GOOD CHANEL, CONGRATULATIONs ADRIANO
How about the Lazer regulation?
Such a good video. You’re awesome.
Super helpfull video!
I started to follow the channel because you explain it in a very didactic way even for us lay people. Only now do I know what I really wear on my wrist, I didn't know everything, when I bought my tissot and I'm even more satisfied. And I would like to know if you could tell me how often a review on the powermatic 80 is recommended?
Tissot suggest a replacement of the movement, rather than an overhaul, as it is more cost effective to customers.
I'm not convinced, but what do I know?
What are the disadvantages of the Powermatic 80 from Tissot with a plastic pallet fork
Uninformed snobs will tell you that you have an inferior watch. Ignore them.
Well explained!
I wonder about the H10 movment in my Hamilton khaki field automatic ? 80 hour power reserve .
Yep, exactly this movement, but with metal and jewel escapement.
@@CHRONOTALK so it is a bit better ? Hamilton modified it ? Thanks. I really like your videos .
The C07.6xx is called H10 by Hamilton.
Great explanation thank you! Were these movements designed not to be serviced (maintenance service)? Unless you bring the watch to the Tissot official service I don't know if that balance wheel and plastic parts could be adjusted or serviced by a local clock service.
So everyone... Can this C07.111 be serviced or?
Yes it can, just like an ETA 2824, for example.
L888 do has polymer or plastic material?
Doesn't Hamilton also use the powermatic 80?
H10 what's the difference though?
Yes, it's basically the same movement but with steel and ruby escapement wheel and pallet fork. A pretty good movement by the way. It's a "better" Powermatic 80.
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I think ETA could have made a great movement as in free sprung balance with silicone hairspring and more hours but 3hz, no way, plastic paper fork... Hard to regulate at home. Rather get a Japanese 3hz.
They should give the customer the option between the P80 and 2824-2
Great, just buy those same old Japanese movements that date back to the 1960s. Some people are OK with change and don't live in the past. Enjoy.
Beware, plastic parts!
I wanted to buy a Tissot for the Powermatic 80 movement, but the escapement is made of plastic!
So I decided to buy a Mido Caliber 80, with the same movement, but with steel escape wheel and anchor, with two rubies at the ends of anchor.

Here is the link to my video of the Rado cal C07 accuracy test czcams.com/video/zNRru3NNaIA/video.html
tissot gentleman powermatic 80 silicium. Does it have plastic in its movement ?
No
And saw Longines has the same shock absorber like omega for their balancewheel?
Greate Video, Can you please advice if Powermatic 80 ( C07.111) also have Polymer escapement ?. Thanks
Thanks! And yes, the C07.111 have polymer escapement.
@@CHRONOTALK , I have two of those watches with this movement, 1. Tisot Powermatic 80 T086.407.11.051.00 and 2. Tissot Powermatic 80 Chronometer. T086.408.11.031.00 only few months old and keeping time well. I will let you know in the future haw this Polymer escapement is going to behave.Thank You
@@adamna1025 hows the polymer escapement holding up after a year?!
@@johndavolta3124 No issues at all very reliable watch
Obrigado
You gained a subscriber from me. Checked out some of your other vids as well. You can definitely tell you know your horology 👍
Got one. Super accurate. So disappointment about the plastic parts.
super interesting
A watch with this movement or a seiko 4R or 6R?
I have two Powermatic 80 watches. I have not adjusted them since we went to Daylight Saving Time. One watch is two minutes slow and the other is within a minute. My 4R35, 4R36, 6R31 and 6R64 need to be adjusted weekly.
@@biggles54321 WoW man i hoped that the powermatic is also shit 😂 as i dont like the seastar that much, i very much prefer the designs of diver's from seiko but the accuraccy is a pain...
I was deciding betwen a seiko with 6R35 or the seastar 2000 but the seastar 2000 is too big for my wrist :(
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Dito isso, escapamento de plástico não da pé não, feio demais, é como ter um bélissimo Puro-sangue inglês com a cabeça de uma capivara.
The price of Tissot watches with c07 movement are so cheap in the market these days, they really become a disposable watches, as service might cost more than the actual watches in price. Especially when Tissot takes regulator pin off the movement, so you need specially tool to adjust the rate.
I arrived at this video for the same reason. Is it worth buying a Tissot then? Having that doubt of whether it'll stop working after 5 to 6 years and then spend again for the replacement of entire movement? In my region the service costs are equal to the watch price of another Tissot watch.
@badarikrishna3169 tissot is putting out some cheapen movements with plastic escapement and non adjustable regulator. Rule of thumb is to avoid any 23 jewels tissot watches. I would recommend buying mido watches instead.
@@han7902 Thank you. You mean to say 25 jewels plus regulator available Tissot is a safe bet ?
I see they are using 23 jewels in all their flagships right from Gentleman, PRX and Chemen series. Also I haven't heard of anyone keeping their Tissot for years and passed it on to next generation. Since this is an aspirational buy it should not end up in disappointment like a tech gadget is what I was thinking.
I'm pretty sure you *don't* need a special tool to adjust the rate, just a screwdriver.
@robertbrandywine In this movement, the regulating pin is placed on the spoke of the spinning wheel, good luck adjusting it with your screw driver...
I look at cut-price Tissot watches online and I can get a watch with a COSC quartz movement for less than a very similar watch with a Powermatic 80. It’s always cheaper. I don’t like replacing watch batteries, and maybe the quartz movement isn’t really that accurate… but it’s still likely to be much more accurate than a Powermatic 80, which also is a 3 Hz movement…
Imagine comparing the accuracy of a quartz watch with almost any mechanic ever. The entire point of the existence of a quartz watch is to be as accurate as it can be. That is not what mechanical watches are about. At all.
So you can't regulate this movement by your self ? My wife Tissot powermatic is way of -35sek/day.
Bring it back to the AD
It's just a different process.
You adjust the two tiny screws on the balance wheel. There is a video on YT on how to do this. Very delicate operation though.
Thank you.
I dont want plastic escapement at all!…😱
Thank you for this video. Never buying one of these pieces of crap.
The silicium models are very good and very accurate. Some are chronometers certified. I have one with +/- 1 sec day.
I hate how Tissot is deliberately obstructive to info on which powermatic movement is actually in your watch.
How so? They give the movement model numbers on their website...
It is not serviceable so any $50 casio will last more than this plastic parts watch.
It is serviceable.
Tissot powermatic 80, C07.111 (23 jewels)
Mido caliber 80, C07.621 (25 jewels)
The Mido movement is better! 💯
Powermatic 80 silicium has 25 jewels, lol
@@i_vanni CHRONO TALK is talking about the powermatic C07.111
He NEVER mentions the powermatic C07.811 silicium.
DON'T BE AN IGNORANT.
READ and learn!
ETA caliber C07.111
Brand: ETA
Base: ETA 2824-2
Movement: Automatic
Display: Analog
Diameter: 25.60
Jewels: 23
Reserve: 80
Frequency: 21,600
Date: Date
Hands: Hours, Minutes, Seconds
#1: C07.111; these have a synthetic escapement.
(23 jewels)
#2: C07.621; these have a regular escapement.
(25 jewels)
#3: C07.811; these have a silicon hair spring.
(25 jewels)
If you don't understand that, don't bother typing again.
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