Can a Pro Skater Fix My Treflips? (Maurio McCoy)
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Can Pro Skater Maurio McCoy fix my Treflips? I have been trying to master treflips for years with very little luck so in this video we bring in the big guns to help me try and figure out whats wrong with my treflips and see if Maurio Mccoy can fix my treflips. Maurio McCoy has such good treflips if anyone can teach me how to 360 flip it's gotta be him.
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Maurio seems like such a nice dude and his style is insanely good.
He’s one of my favorite skaters for sure.
Am I the only one to think he's not jumping high enough?
We've been telling him that for months. He's more concerned about finding cheats to get around his lack of vertical height.
maurio told him he's not jumping high enough towards the end
Not explosive enough
I don't even think it's about not being explosive. He literally doesn't know how to suck his knees up to his chest to create the space needed.
Could be fatigue. I get about 10 good attempts at a tre or varial heelflip before my hip flexors are roasted and can barelly lift by back leg 5 inches
“If you got one in you, you got as many”. Dude, i love the Maurio wisdom in these vids!
The part where Mario says maybe not eat carbs for a month lmao
Hahaha
Its 100% the jump, your scoop is fire, ur flick is fire, your setup and stance are fire, its literally just that u dont put enough into your jump, and by jump i dont even necessarily mean "jump", i mean u dont bring ur knees up high enough and keep them there, its a hard habit to break and it feels uncomfortable when u first do it, but after a while it becomes natural muscle memory. I used to have that problem with kickflips
I was thinking that the entire time
9 times out of 10 he under rotates the tre flip. You do not need to jump super high to tre flip. Maurios are high and poppy but not everyone does them like that. It’s more a problem with his scoop.
@@tomas746 he under rotates because he doesn't bring his knees up high enough to give it time to soin
@@notyobusiness7054 lol no
@@tomas746 sorry youre wrong, thats a shame
Joe needs to introduce box jumps into his skate training and Tom platz version of calf raises
Actually started working out this week and I’ve been doing box jumps so hopefully it translates
@@localjoe also weighted jump ropes my guy they are insanely good for ankle and calf strength as well as fast twitch fibers
Tell me about those calf raises
@@SchwappSchwopp look him up Tom platz Arnold’s old training partner dudes a monster it’s all about training to true failure and at the end put max weight and hold slowly letting weight off until you feel Ike your tendons and ligaments are at their end then have your spotter take it if you want to build
@@billykimber616can confirm. Used weighted ropes for training and my flying knees were so explosive.
for tre flips i don’t even think about flicking. i just think about scooping, jumping, & extending my front foot to catch the tre. not anything crazy but catching with ur front foot stops the rotation and makes it easier to land/catch. it’ll give it that extra like half of a flip & ur back foot will do the other half flip/360 shuv. also keeping most of ur weight on ur back foot & staying over the board helps like he said. i find sometimes too if i’m not getting the rotation hanging my back toes off more makes it way easier to scoop & get the full 360 faster
Bro honestly you got em. Two things I’d suggest though.
1. Don’t be afraid, you want it really bad so it gives u a slight hesitation, your thinking too hard just imagine you doing it, then try simple.
2. You don’t have to do this but it will help skate with leg weights on & do 1 - 2 mins a day of jump roping ( I use to think I really sucked, & actually I wasn’t clearing the board, now I do buttery ass 3flps & Hardflips
Taking skating and health seriously when I was younger was my downfall. I did Muay Thai for six years(29-35) and now, I'm learning and landing tricks I never did or even tried. It's all about physicality too. Not that anyone a certain size can't skate at all. But gravity and physicality play a big role in big tricks like 3flips or even just a simple high ollie.
I don’t know about y’all. But for me finding 3flips effortless, it’s in the pressure of the pocket with the ankle, not scoop.
This series was awesome man.. Mario seems like a chill dude.. keep shredding bro..
I was looking forward to this one; so stoked to try tre flips again soon. :D
Some quick tips i wrote down watching this video idk it might click for someone so i share them
-Keep your weight and shoulders straight Dont lean forward
-Keep your foot angled not flat
-(Trick tip dont try to change everything your body does, adjust to what you do naturaly)
If you can do it one time you can do it as many times
-Pop straight down(make contact)
-Pop vertical
-Find what works for you
-Bring your knees up (try to jump higher to give it more airtime)
Absolutely fantastic! Great job 👏🏻 love this style of video ❤
That was rad dude! Stoked on your progression.
I wanna win that board! Motivation to skate again
This is a very helpful format for trick tips. Obviously it's hard to get pros to do these but if you can these are awesome.
I think it's not a proper squat (your bending with your back and end up compensating forward to not fall) so it makes jumping inefficient and tense. It's kinda what Maurio was alluding too when he suggested to load straight down and stay on top of it. Also, check out what muscles do what, the glutes, hip flexors and core are super important, If everything goes into the quads and hamstrings too much it can make you too tense to have fine control of the board.
Still working on mine too! Just got a symmetrical heroin egg board and it has twin tails at 5.5 inches with a 14 inch wheelbase so it’s a tiny board but with a 8.75 width so I hope the length helps with rotation and I can keep my wide riding surface to land on
this helped me with tre’s and i’m about to rewatch the fs flip video so i can get some tips because that’s the trick i’m working on landing
This helpful, and inspiring. I've given up on discipling it, and it haunts me after years of skating.
I must have missed this one when it was uploaded but the tre flips after the ”lift your back heel up” comment really looked a ton better IMMEDIATELY. Also definitely leaning over the board more than Maurio who is bending down more straight. Good vid and definitely learned a bit myself.
I thought you made an extra effort every time! At least you’re out there brother and not sitting there playing a Tony Hawk video wishing you could do it! I really appreciate what you’re doing! Take it easy! 😎
That arm thing at 6:30 actually helped me a longgg time ago when I landed my first ones lol but I’m here cause I’m about to try to relearn today
dont do the small jump up before you go down, its making you turn and carve your board 9:45, you can even hear it clearly
Yes! I'll be watching this again...and again 💖🙌
Keep it going Joe, you got this. Mario legit seems so chill
Your killing me smallz 😂😂
So I think I found out something that would help you. Try some with your front foot more in the center of the board. Like between the bolts. When you have it so far back, it makes balancing harder and also kind of dampens the pop.
Also try to stay as stable as you can before you pop. That little last minute foot squiggle seems like it’s half of your issue.
I come to Smithfield sometimes if you ever want to catch a session.
Great vid you got them
Mario got that skate 3 og style tre flip thing goin on
base on the video, joe i think your leaning forward on the last second before you pop and aming for like a pop shuv motion which throw of your balance mid air, you can see at tre #9 that you didn't flow with that motion and actually landed a clean one. because the way mario does his is just jumping up and let the momentum pulls him forward for the catch. i know it's different for all of us but hope this helps, skate safe brother!🤙
Great vid! Love seeing the content.
Personally I don't think you have to jump that high for a Tre flip. I think you're getting it but maybe all the adjusting is throwing you off. Maybe do 3-5 that you just land, then do 2 that you try to style? When I learned Tre flip for a while I just took the ones I could get, after I felt comfortable landing them I started to adjust my feet for more pop, and style.
I also think a Tre flip requires some flick. If you watch videos of people doing them you can see the front foot stabilizes the board and when they pop it's into the front foot like it helps balance. At 6:16 when Maurio does a Tre flip you can see he is centered, then when he pops he flicks a little and transitions his weight towards his front foot.
Yeah man what’s missed in a lot of these comments is the fact that you can do a tre flip several ways. When I was young I learned tre flips with quite a bit of flick and did not do the whole monkey grip thing with the back foot. Now I do them primarily with the back and basically no flick. You definitely do not need to jump or pop high to do it. A lot of commenters don’t skate!
Mario’s tre flips are so good!
Mario is the best coach ! Best teacher.
I think confidence and self belief is playing a big factor. Maybe the pressure of the 10 day challenge has you in your head Joe. Valid and understandable. You rip Bro! Believe that you’ve got it! Fuck the yips! Looking fwd to continue watching you have more fun on the board. That’s what it’s about at the end of the day. I’d encourage you to get back in touch with the reasons why you started skating in the first place. Best to you man! Thanks for the videos 💪
U trynna do dan corrigan video? He understand skateboarding so good it would be good to analyse
i believe thers a big diference in deck width from both boards. From Maurio looks narrower and that helps alot to flick
At a certain point, no amount of instruction will help you, you have to figure out your own body and how to manipulate it properly internally. Fundamentally it's just being able to combine the proper scoop WITH the proper jump. It's one thing to know what to do, it's another thing to actually get your body to do what you know needs to be done.
its true, but ngl Maurio and other pros are truly gifted. like a gift from the gods. you can teach fundamentals but you can't teach someone to rip a tre flip down a 12 stair
couldnt agree more, its just about repetition. you can never think yourself into learning a trick
@@ConcernedMother Well that's not correct either. Repetition and thinking are both equally necessary. You can repeat the same thing a million times and never learn a trick if you're not thinking about it and analyzing what you're doing wrong, but it's not necessarily a verbally transferrable line of thinking, it's an internal comprehension of the actual way your brain is telling your muscles to move, how, and when.
@@justinmusicandskateboardin9282there is over thinking it which is exactly what he’s doing. Not thinking about it could very much work. Instead of just focusing on a tre flip it could help just doing rando lines and just throwing it in randomly. He’s talking too much, asking too many questions, comparing differ t pros style, etc…. It’s actually hurting him.
I found learning pressure flips helped me understand where you needed to put your foot in the curb for the perfect scoop contact of a 360 flip. Then you use less of it if you are 360 flipping over a fun box or launching off something, and the same amount of pocket for flat and down stairs. Same applies for nollie or fakie 360 flips knowing and understanding the perfect spot for your foot is a huge cheat for these.
Also I see your board goes out to the right just before you pinch it, you would think they would help but that just means you are using even more energy to flip it. Stay straight and punch it from there.
That kinda confidence and bounce you have when jumping that fence, transfer that to your board and youll be awesome!
I’m pulling for Maurio from now on seems like such a good dude
got three in a row, thanks local joe and maurio!
Interesting comments regarding the size as these shoes really inside raw inside meaning there is much more space for feet so taking one size down can event fit better. We could also hear how materials squeak like no other shoes
pro tip, after scooping and jumping lean forward in the air and pretend you are going to jump in front of your nose, that way you land on top instead of back foot coming off behind your tail and your back foot lands on the bolts. this leaning forward (dipping your front shoulder) also stops you from shooting out backward (mr willy)
Joe, as someone much older and heavier than you. I relate to the tre flip struggle. On lock one day, and then can’t buy one the next. Mario was right about you upper body position. For me it’s arms. If you’re too focused on what legs and feet are doing. Then your upper body does odd movements that’s throw you off. For me sometimes I have to hold my arms out Karate Kid style before I pop. It probably looks dumb, but it makes me aware of where they are. And keeps them from flailing around. Then I start landing tres with consistency. I hope this helps.
the noises before every trick lol
I know I’d hate to be me
It's not that your back is weak, it's because you lack hip flexibility and because of that you have to lean over your board to compensate for it. If you'd stretch and work on your vertical you'd be golden. Honestly at this point I'd just tell you to stick to hips and euro gaps. Everyone you landed they all were barely 3 inches off the ground. Cheers to another year of doing the same thing hoping for a different result.
tighten them trucks a bit, so you don't have to focus so much on balancing. also try to over spin them consistently. just want you to scoop it quicker. one thing that is hard with tre flips is your shoulders want to turn because you scoop. i feel like you have to be light on your back foot until youre actually about to pop. tre flips dont need a hard flick to flip, 90% scoop 10% flick so your front foot can be a bit more in the middle of your board for balance.
I struggled with this trick for 3 years and I was doing it exactly how you do it…until one day I decided to relearn everything. The tips I can give you which I think will work because I literally struggled with the same things you struggle with is firstly make sure your feet aren’t close together even though it feels uncomfortable you’ll get used…I noticed that when your feet are too close together you put more weight on the front foot and that just makes it flip weird and the board stays behind. Putting your front foot slightly toward the Center allows you to balance like Maurio is saying(bending your knees and keeping your back straight. It makes the flick a and scoop a whole lot easier. And when scooping I pop first then twist my ankle towards my back wheel. Maybe this will help you
3:26 crouch. don’t hunch over. The first one you landed was “ steezy “ but the cool kinda
He's got it just more time it will come naturally more consistently.
Pop dude, the POP
That first tre was the best one.
Unfortunately haha
I think we forgot to account for the size board you re using ? what size is it ? could be a little harder to flip you may need to give it more power then most
The toe point, last night before I got in the car to leave I landed one first proper one in 27 years , I realised that I did it without thinking, and it was that I curled my toe and pointed it into the ground, the scoop was so much less effort
Only once I did a regular treflip in my 24 years of skating. That was over our huge local skatepark pyramid. They just seem to work better for me in different stances.
Didn’t know Maurio would be this chill
So something I've noticed with me personally. I can tre flip really well until I setup an 8.5. I think most 8.5 boards have a wheel base to long for me and I find them very difficult to adapt to for flip tricks even tho they feel nice to ride. Maybe try a friends smaller setup. keep the bigger trucks for stability
What is the websiste where you got fake dunks from Imma need sum for school
Before popping you are rotating frontside. It seems to happen because your front toe is too far from the center of the board so so you center of gravity sits behind you. To compensate you flex your hips to move your head forward. That is why you could find difficult to just bend on your knees and pop the tre flup. In this way it helps you to flip better but it’s even the cause of the way you land it.
Suggestion: to correct the frontside deviation you should put your front toe closer (not) the center of the board. Now , in order to keep the balance , you should slightly rotate ‘the position’ of the spine. You can do it by rotating on hips or just using the spine.
If you correct the posture probably you should fine tune other movements to get it right but you will have set a good starting point.
Hope it helps
Maurio Mccoy for skate school principal!
You should give amrios twin shape a shot I like it!
muario is so clean with it
I do the grunt as well and hate it lol. It makes me think maybe we both put too much effort into it
Top, Mario a l'air trop sympa ! Merci !
4:05 that little carve thing is fuckin up !!
The first and the tenth we're buttery, CaliforniaJoe 🙌
It's funny how you get down on yourself cause you wanna do them like Maurio when I can't do them at all and would love to be able to do them like you do. Yours still might not be as high and floaty as Maurio but they still look cool to me.
The little tick tack is whats getting you. You set up and kinda re setup once you're crouched and do that little tick tack
That man absolutely showed me up at Venice skatepark one day on a Tre flip I wasn’t even mad tho lmao
An interesting thing that I've felt recently is that you don't jump off the ground you jump of your board and your ankle makes the tail hit the ground it's probably mostly psychological but that helped my pop a bunch. It's like a float up rather that a pop harder to go higher 🤷♂️
Since when was my username bmx related 🤷♂️ Anyway the only thing that ever helped my tre flips other than that was to scoop like a Nike swoosh. It helps the board stay under you and float up into your front foot so you don't have to chase after it
360 flips take more energy when your first learning them . Once you get them down nice you can do them effortlessly
9 and 10 were beautiful
The secret to tricks is more in balance i believe.
Hey Local Joe, I've been watching your treflip videos and I noticed a couple of things that stood out to me:
1. Correct me if I'm wrong, but from watching your treflips, it looks like you're using more of a knee-bend to generate that rotational power. That is, you're kicking your calf behind you to try to generate that 360 degree rotation.
In my opinion (and personal experience), the rotational power of the treflip doesn't come primarily from that knee-bend (calf kicking); but rather, it comes from the flicking of the ankle.
For example, check out Nyjah Huston's treflip here: czcams.com/video/yyI_QzVNsCM/video.htmlsi=wkNgGOw9dr3e1HKB
Look at how little his back leg bends at the knee. His entire back leg is almost stiff straight. He barely kicks out his calf. But then look at his back ankle - you'll see that it's flicked out almost the way. That's because all of that rotation power is coming from his back ankle flicking.
Of course, not all pros have a stiff back leg (e.g. Mark Appleyard, Rodney Mullen), but I'm willing to bet that all of them generate most of the rotational power from that ankle flick.
2. I noticed that you have a tendency to not pop your treflips - I get the impression that you're sort of rushing the motion of the backfoot. It's like you're a bit too concerned with the rotation, and not the pop. Sometimes, you press down on the tail halfway, but then immediately start trying to rotate the board even before the tail touches the ground.
I think you need to slow down the motion of your backfoot, even by just a few milliseconds. It might not seem like much, but I can assure that it could potentially make all the difference.
I think you should deliberately think about getting that tail to touch the ground first, and only after then, think about doing the rotation. Consider popping and rotating as 2 distinct steps that happen sequentially one after the other, and not as 1 blended motion.
P-Rod said big scoop little pop
very cool
Start doing them over stuff like decks, and keep raising the bar, and then you'll be popping them up to clear with less effort. If you can clear a deck on its side then you can benchmark your pop.
For me treflips are hard with the front foot too far back. I prefer my front foot to be closer to the front bolts. Joe does a hop before the trick moving his front foot towards the back almost behind the center of the board. Tough to balance. IMO
Woo! This is how I want my next session to go! (I've never landed a tre flip, though ; D . Thanks again to both of you for this gold! 🤘
everytime you land it its not beacuse that little move you do its because you put your hole wheight on the front foot. The key is that you have to stay balance on your front foot yhe one that flicks.
Love the honest in the moment conversation.
Can u do flip fs board ?
Some hours at the gym wouls help
Just started this week I’m on day 4
Move your front foot up bro trust
Mario’s back foot is placed differently then urs which seems to allow him to get more air/ pop
you're not jumping high enough!! tres aren't about power they're about finesse, you're focusing too much on putting oomf into your scoop, and it's taking away from your vertical height. when you scoop you should be on your way up of the ground, this makes the scoop "scrape" across the ground much easier and the board will rotate 360 with much less power.
to be clear: when you scoop you should be on your way up off the ground, not just on your way up from bending you legs. scoop when you're waitless from your upward momentum NOT when your still basically on the ground. what it'll feel like is keeping your back foot hanging around for a while scooping while the rest of your body is going upward into the air
lol local Joe was like, “I have really bad Tre flips can you help me?” But then he lands a perfect one second try and then Maurio was like, “Bruh, what do I help you with?”
this vid fix me alot
I'm just as neurotic as you local joe haha. I can totally relate to all the times you criticize yourself.
You are looking at your feet while setting up... Don't?
Thanks for the videos!
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Your 9th and 10th tre flips were solid. If Maurio says it’s good, it’s good. You need to learn how to be more satisfied with your results, or it’s going to be even more difficult to reach your goal. It’s a mental game first and foremost.
Been keeping up with joes tre flip but I did notice that’s he’s more worrying about style than the actual trick. Like he mentioned in this video he said he donkey kicks it but if that’s natural to do then do as it is. Worry about style later as you improve.
I'd add that you're not timing your pop very well. This is a very popular issue with trey flips
You have your foot positioned quite well for a scooping pop, but then at the last moment you're not actually scooping. You're doing more like a flat pop, that is why it doesn't do a full flip
The secret is getting the board to pop with its edge. You accomplish that by adding tension to the board with your stance, better timing AND jumping higher at the moment of pop
yeah this is what I'm realizing now is that moment off upward floating has to happen before the pop so you can jump high enough.
Try smaller board like 8 inch
stop overthinking! bend at the knees and snap that tre around...don't think before you pop cause thats what makes you adjust your feet, your set up is good but you need to snap with your ankle and not try to muscle it with your back leg. i like to put pressure more on my front foot and transfer to my back right before i pop. or just keep doing what you're doing and focus on sucking your knees
I would say you have to slow down and make sure you’re doing all the steps correctly and then they should be more consistent!
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You just gotta tighten your trucks so you arent carving so much before your pop...rear toes in pocket and front a few inches below bolts...in a kickflip position flick like you would a gentle kickflip
Shorter trucks than deck helps....and conical over tablet style wheel can help....look into the AA PP hybrid wheel he just dropped
was it you or your board making that weird noise when you would try to tre flip
It’s him.. he’s grunting and trying so hard it’s messing him up.. I wish he would try to relax a bit more and not be so tense and worried about every little “hack or cheat” and just crouch down and just send it. I feel like when you get so in your head and try analyzing every little thing you lose your ability to do the damn thing.